Unibet Casino - The Last Bastion of Default RTP in the UK?

[slot_zombie]

Mystery reels is a snore fest and very hard to bonus on max RTP. That version must be a real joy.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The 98% flavour was alright as long as you had other things going on, and the wheel gamble was quite exciting. It was also capable of hitting decently well in the base game to keep a session going.

94% less jackpot contribution is going to be awful.

2% house edge to 6% house edge, or to put it another way, an increase of 300% in the house edge.

On perfect RTP, £100 gets you 4951 spins at 98% RTP, the same £100 gets you 1651 spins at 94% RTP.

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[bamberfishcake]

The 98% flavour was alright as long as you had other things going on, and the wheel gamble was quite exciting. It was also capable of hitting decently well in the base game to keep a session going.

94% less jackpot contribution is going to be awful.

2% house edge to 6% house edge, or to put it another way, an increase of 300% in the house edge.

On perfect RTP, £100 gets you 4951 spins at 98% RTP, the same £100 gets you 1651 spins at 94% RTP.

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Don't forget the jackpot contribution you mentioned

Total spin will be less than that.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

I used to play Mystery Reels Megaways a lot to get a run out of my money but it was almost impossible to bonus. At 94% RTP I wont touch it with a bargepole.

 

[mack341]

The 98% flavour was alright as long as you had other things going on, and the wheel gamble was quite exciting. It was also capable of hitting decently well in the base game to keep a session going.

94% less jackpot contribution is going to be awful.

2% house edge to 6% house edge, or to put it another way, an increase of 300% in the house edge.

On perfect RTP, £100 gets you 4951 spins at 98% RTP, the same £100 gets you 1651 spins at 94% RTP.

98% -

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That's an amazing difference, definitely should be a concern for the ukgc imo, rtp reductions are adjusting slots to make your money run out quicker, or the 'fun' suddenly got more expensive across the board.

Even if, after looking into it, ukgc decide it's no matter for them, they should still look at the market they regulate from the consumer's angle from time to time.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I used to play Mystery Reels Megaways a lot to get a run out of my money but it was almost impossible to bonus. At 94% RTP I wont touch it with a bargepole.

If I had to have a guess I'd say its feature frequency was pretty close to Bonanza, maybe around 1/400 - 1/450 or something like that.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

If I had to have a guess I'd say its feature frequency was pretty close to Bonanza, maybe around 1/400 - 1/450 or something like that.

Much worse than Bonanza in my experience.

 

[bamberfishcake]

That's an amazing difference, definitely should be a concern for the ukgc imo, rtp reductions are adjusting slots to make your money run out quicker, or the 'fun' suddenly got more expensive across the board.

Even if, after looking into it, ukgc decide it's no matter for them, they should still look at the market they regulate from the consumer's angle from time to time.

I wonder if somewhere along the way the argument has been put forward that less RTP means less addiction, less frequent wins, less game time etc.

I agree with you but lets face it, the UKGC are not the sharpest tools in the box.

 

[slot_zombie]

I wonder if somewhere along the way the argument has been put forward that less RTP means less addiction, less frequent wins, less game time etc.

I agree with you but lets face it, the UKGC are not the sharpest tools in the box.

Well that's true. Won't play lowered UK slots, or autospin-nerfed slots for that matter. Often can't be bothered to buy crypto and wait for the Blockchain to confirm just to get a decent game offshore. It's cut my playing time down drastically, and I would class myself as a functioning addict.

 

[09237653]

Strange how they have dropped all red tiger to 93% and all pragmatic to 94% but only the newer png games are at 94% anything older than alice cooper is still @ 96%.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Well that's true. Won't play lowered UK slots, or autospin-nerfed slots for that matter. Often can't be bothered to buy crypto and wait for the Blockchain to confirm just to get a decent game offshore. It's cut my playing time down drastically, and I would class myself as a functioning addict.

These slots aren't only lowered in the UK market but across the board. Chopley is showing you the RTP from the .com site and I can assure you the same is going on on the .be site.

 

[bamberfishcake]

If I was a Kindred Group shareholder (if only) I would seriously consider selling my shares after this final quarter.

Kindred will report record gains for the final quarter but I cannot see how losing players and customers to other sites with better quality games will continue the trend of year on year increase.

I think we will see the bubble burst now for lots of casinos.

Lower quality games combined with the wave of crazy volatility means deposits are lost very quickly. The customer base will dwindle as a result and new players won't enjoy their first experience, meaning less will be hooked into playing.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

These slots aren't only lowered in the UK market but across the board. Chopley is showing you the RTP from the .com site and I can assure you the same is going on on the .be site.

Yes this does rather undermine the 'It's all the UKGC's fault' argument, because these changes are happening on the international facing sites as well.

I still get autoplay at Unibet.com, but the RTPs are being nerfed just the same as at the .co.uk site.

 

[justdoit]

Pokerstar also have max RTP

 

[pinnit2014]

If I was a Kindred Group shareholder (if only) I would seriously consider selling my shares after this final quarter.

Kindred will report record gains for the final quarter but I cannot see how losing players and customers to other sites with better quality games will continue the trend of year on year increase.

I think we will see the bubble burst now for lots of casinos.

Lower quality games combined with the wave of crazy volatility means deposits are lost very quickly. The customer base will dwindle as a result and new players won't enjoy their first experience, meaning less will be hooked into playing.

They won't have lowered it without some form of sensitivity analysis, scenario planning. Plus, as they were running max whilst others were not, it might be fair to say they never experienced a material jump in their numbers due to that; otherwise, they would have stayed as they were surely.

Maybe we will see it affect player numbers/deposits but it'll be tricky to pick the lowering of RTP from other factors, such as increased SOW's and people going 'F"" that' and more casinos implementing limits to accounts etc etc.

Edit - to be fair, given SH's are Short Term-ists (aside from the big institutional ones), it is possible that yeah a company goes 'just drop it, we'll not notice any adverse difference for a while and it keeps them happy' without much analysis...

 

[satchnz]

I’m a very low stakes player and they won’t notice me gone, but I’m normally a regular weekend player at Unibet and haven’t been there the last two weekends. Novibet and Bet365 got my money instead. I doubt I’ll ever go back to Unibet unless they reverse their RTP changes.

My boycott alone won’t have any impact on them. It’s a pity there are plenty of players who are quite content to chuck their hard earned into a black box without understanding at all their chances of getting any returns. It would be great to educate the masses so we could possibly be able to return to a competitive online casino market. I’m dreaming though and it’ll never happen.

 

[Sputnik]

Last week logined to Unibet. Realised Pragma slots are lowered. Cashed out the money, left some for poker (because it's still great) and decided to never play in Unibet casino again. It was a big disappointment because I loved Unibet because it was reliable, with lot's of players, but I can't handle this move. So sorry Unibet, but I leave KEKBye.

 

[bigbear]

As Unibet are accredited they presumably have a rep presence on CM.It would be interesting to find out whether he/she is aware of this thread and for them to comment on the lowering of the rtp's.

 

[justdoit]

I’m a very low stakes player and they won’t notice me gone, but I’m normally a regular weekend player at Unibet and haven’t been there the last two weekends. Novibet and Bet365 got my money instead. I doubt I’ll ever go back to Unibet unless they reverse their RTP changes.

My boycott alone won’t have any impact on them. It’s a pity there are plenty of players who are quite content to chuck their hard earned into a black box without understanding at all their chances of getting any returns. It would be great to educate the masses so we could possibly be able to return to a competitive online casino market. I’m dreaming though and it’ll never happen.

pokerstar has all max rtp they fast on withdraw

 

[justdoit]

Yes this does rather undermine the 'It's all the UKGC's fault' argument, because these changes are happening on the international facing sites as well.

I still get autoplay at Unibet.com, but the RTPs are being nerfed just the same as at the .co.uk site.

UKGC is under investigation now by APBGG

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[satchnz]

UKGC is under investigation now by APBGG

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They’ll rue the outlawing of auto spins soon lol.

But seriously, what reach does the APBGG have? I’d never heard of them until today. I’m assuming this won’t go far as I’ve not seen anyone else comment on this on CM, and given articles I found date back to September, I’m sure it would have been raised before now?

 

[CasinoNinja]

pokerstar has all max rtp they fast on withdraw

They do not have max rtp on Red Tiger and Some Netent games

 

[justdoit]

They’ll rue the outlawing of auto spins soon lol.

But seriously, what reach does the APBGG have? I’d never heard of them until today. I’m assuming this won’t go far as I’ve not seen anyone else comment on this on CM, and given articles I found date back to September, I’m sure it would have been raised before now?

looks like they have more power than UKGC some MPs on the government ( All-Party Betting & Gaming Group)
casinos or providers they need to fill their complaint by 31 Dec 2021, I am sure by 2022 will be good news

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[justdoit]

They do not have max rtp on Red Tiger and Some Netent games

all casinos in UK have 92% rtp on red tiger
you cant find in UK red tiger 96%

 

[satchnz]

all casinos in UK have 92% rtp on red tiger

Luckily not true. Check the RTPs of Red Tiger slots on Novibet.