UltimateBet - Absolute Poker Scam

I read through that thread and found the justifications for continuing to promote UB/AP interesting. That said, I think it has to be conceded that "Beanie" the senior affiliate has apparently publicised the "cheat" stories and asked pointed questions of AP/UB's "new management" when he was visiting the Chipleader operations.

That was a good (but seemingly missed) opportunity for top management to lay their cards on the table and fully brief those invited on the visit on the whole festering UB issue, followed by a public statement.

Unfortunately, the fact remains that cheating has been shown to have taken place at two sites in the same (Tokwiro) ownership group, and that on both occasions it has been extraordinarily badly handled, with denials, poor communications and failure to publicly identify and prosecute those responsible. That has not inspired trust in either the management of the brands or in the licencing jurisdiction, to state the obvious.

This is not over, and the absence of progress reports from UB exacerbates the situation and indicates that the top brass have learned very little from the Absolute Poker debacle.

Although it was not very specific, I found the discussion of a UB/AP "merge" and new managers intriguing. Perhaps we will see a public announcement on that at some stage.

But brand merges and new management does not alter the fact that the principle decisions in this matter come from the same owners....and that's where a real change of policy and heart needs to take place.
 
...But brand merges and new management does not alter the fact that the principle decisions in this matter come from the same owners....and that's where a real change of policy and heart needs to take place.
Spot on. I wish I had a nickle for every time I heard the line "But now we have new managers - we've turned over a new leaf..." I'd be able to afford a rocket to the moon:rolleyes:

Business ethics are driven from the very top. It's the owners and corporate officers who lead the way, set standards and operating procedures, and if they fail to see the importance of leading by example and ensuring that all operations are above board at all times, then they should be selling shoes online, not running a poker room.

There are scores of poker rooms, and unless AP and UB offer something 100% exclusive that is found nowhere on this planet, then it is beyond me why anyone is still playing there or promoting them for that matter. Baffling :confused:

I can understand that some players feel I have a crystal ball in Casinomeisterland, and I can see what poker room is cheating and which ones are not. Sorry - I don't have one. All I can do is provide players with enough information so that they can make intelligent decisions on their own. Occurrences like these are frustrating since they are detected "after the fact". It's like trying to predict earthquakes; you have a good idea where the fault-lines are - but when is the ground going to shake? That's the question.

I stand corrected when I said I never had UB on board here. They were once, years ago - for only a few months, when they were publicly traded and using other software. But when they switched over to their new platform, they had a number of problems which brought on their removal from this site.
 
...That said, I think it has to be conceded that "Beanie" the senior affiliate has apparently publicised the "cheat" stories and asked pointed questions of AP/UB's "new management" when he was visiting the Chipleader operations.
I give Beanie a few points for at least asking some uncomfortable questions, but he loses them all and more for believing this is a sufficient amount of action, and for continuing to promote UB.

UB would have come clean on this issue long ago if affiliates would have stopped sending them new players until they did.
 
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They made a statement. Here is something that is very odd to me.

The existence of this vulnerability was unknown to Tokwiro until February 2008 and existed prior to UltimateBet's acquisition by Tokwiro in October 2006.

OK, so what a total coincidence insiders with AP were doing the same thing at the same time. Also if this wasn't done by insiders how was this player able to crush the highest games on the site for winrates 10x better then the best player in the world and security didn't catch him or audit his huge cashouts?

At least players are getting refunds.
 
TOKWIRO BREAKS SILENCE ON ULTIMATE BET

From infopowa:


TOKWIRO BREAKS SILENCE ON ULTIMATE BET

Cheating confirmed due to software vulnerability; disadvantaged players to be refunded

After months of silence and amid a growing uproar in the online poker player community over alleged cheating by player NioNio (see earlier InfoPowa reports), the owners of Ultimate Bet.com, Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, issued a statement this week.

The statement presumably marks the end of what Tokwiro describes as a "lengthy investigation" in which it has been joined by independent auditors Gaming Associates and the licensing and regulatory jurisdiction Kahnawake Gaming Commission ("KGC"), in conducting a "...thorough investigation that included a comprehensive review of hand histories and game data, thorough analyses of software and network security, and audits of its security practices and procedures."

The investigation concluded that certain player accounts did in fact have an unfair advantage, and that these accounts targeted the highest limit games on the site, Tokwiro reports.

The statement does not identify the individuals responsible, but claims that these persons were found to have worked for the previous ownership of UltimateBet prior to the sale of the business to Tokwiro in October 2006.

Tokwiro is taking full responsibility and will immediately begin refunding UltimateBet customers for any losses that were incurred as a result of unfair play.

According to the Tokwiro-UltimateBet statement, the fraudulent activity was enabled by "unauthorised software code" that allowed the unidentified perpetrators to obtain hole card information during live play. The statement claims that the existence of this vulnerability was unknown to Tokwiro until February 2008 and existed prior to UltimateBet's acquisition by Tokwiro in October 2006.

"Our investigation has confirmed that the code was part of a legacy auditing system that was manipulated by the perpetrators," the statement continues. "Gaming Associates, independent auditors hired by the KGC, have confirmed that the software code that provided the unfair advantage has been permanently removed."

This comment raises some interesting questions of coincidence, bearing in mind that UltimateBet's sister site, Absolute Poker in the same Tokwiro ownership group, was involved in similar cheating allegations last year that subsequently led to it being fined $500 000 by the KGC. In that case, too the initial discovery of wrongdoing can be largely attributed to expert poker detectives on the community website 2+2, and the perpetrators were neither named nor (apparently) prosecuted.

It also leaves unanswered the question of how NioNio was able to consistently beat the highest games on the UB site with win rates an order of magnitude greater than the best players on the planet, apparently without being flagged by security or the accounts section that handled his or her substantial winnings.

But back to the Tokwiro statement, which claims that throughout the investigation it's priorities have been:

* To permanently remove the ability to engage in unfair play;

* To complete its investigation and come to a full understanding of what occurred;

* To refund the affected customers; and

* To implement measures that prevent future incidents.

"We would like to thank our customers for their patience, loyalty and support, as well as for their understanding that we are doing everything we can to correct this situation," the statement asserts. "The staff and management of UltimateBet are fully committed to providing a safe and secure environment for our players, and we want to assure customers of our unwavering resolve to monitor site security with every resource at our disposal."

The statement goes on to provide the following chronological order of events pertaining to the incident:

January 2008: UltimateBet is alerted to suspicions of unfair play on the part of the account "NioNio" (prersumably by the 2+2 detectives who had already uncovered wrongdoing at Absolute Poker.) Within 24 hours, UltimateBet contacts the KGC to provide formal notice that UltimateBet has initiated an investigation of the incident. UltimateBet subsequently forwarded a copy of all related data to the KGC. The "NioNio" account and related accounts are suspended pending further investigation.


February 2008: Preliminary findings indicate abnormally high winning statistics for the suspect accounts. After discussions with the KGC, UltimateBet engages third-party gaming experts to assist with the analysis.


February 2008: Investigators confirm that the suspect accounts are associated with (unidentified) individuals who had worked for UltimateBet under the previous ownership.


February 2008: UltimateBet discovers the unauthorised code that allowed the perpetrators to obtain hole card information during live play. The code was part of a legacy auditing system that was manipulated by the (unidentified) perpetrators of the fraud. UltimateBet immediately removes the unauthorised code and works with the KGC and with third-party auditors to verify that the security hole has been eliminated.


March 2008: Six player accounts are confirmed to have participated in this scheme. No accounts were deleted at any point, although some account names were changed multiple times. The following account names are known to have been used in the fraudulent activity: NioNio, Sleepless, NoPaddles, nvtease, flatbroke33, ilike2win, UtakeIt2, FlipFlop2, erick456, WhackMe44, RockStarLA, stoned2nite, monizzle, FireNTexas, HeadKase01, LetsPatttty, NYMobser, and WhoWhereWhen.


May 2008: The investigation confirms that the fraudulent activity took place from March 7, 2006 to December 3, 2007.


May 2008: Gaming Associates certifies that the software code that enabled unfair play was removed from UltimateBet servers in February of 2008.


May 2008: Customers affected by this incident are identified, and plans for corrective action are reviewed with the KGC.

Corrective Actions Taken

The following actions have been taken or are currently underway as a direct result of this investigation.

* The security hole identified in UltimateBet's investigation has been permanently eliminated.

* UltimateBet is establishing a state-of-the-art software Security Center that consolidates and greatly enhances existing security capabilities. The first release of the new Security Center focuses solely on the immediate detection of abnormal winnings. Gaming mathematicians, poker professionals, and security software developers have all contributed to the specifications for the new Security Center.

* UltimateBet customers are no longer permitted to change account names unless they have suffered abuse in chat rooms. Requests for changes must be supported by proof of abuse and must be approved by the Chief Compliance Officer.

* In addition to its existing security department, UltimateBet has established a new specialised Poker Security team of professionals dedicated to fraud prevention.

* The refund process will begin immediately. The accounts associated with fraudulent activity did not use an unfair advantage in all play sessions. Regardless, UltimateBet is refunding all losses to these accounts.

* Accounts related to the fraudulent activity have been disabled, and the individuals associated with those accounts permanently banned from the site.

UltimateBet has worked closely and transparently with its governing body, the KGC and its designated expert auditors, to determine exactly what happened, how it happened, and who was involved, and has taken action to prevent any possibility of this situation recurring.

Tokwiro is pursuing its legal options in regard to this incident.

Hopefully the UltimateBet owners have learned from the Absolute Poker experience and will at some stage expose and prosecute the still unidentified perpetrators of this shocking cheating scandal, the worst yet in known online poker history and believed to involve millions of dollars.

Whether UltimateBet will suffer the imposition by the KGC of a hefty fine as was the case with its stablemate remains to be seen.

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Just like to point out one inconstancy in Tokwiro's statement.

May 2008: The investigation confirms that the fraudulent activity took place from March 7, 2006 to December 3, 2007.

February 2008: UltimateBet discovers the unauthorised code that allowed the perpetrators to obtain hole card information during live play. The code was part of a legacy auditing system that was manipulated by the (unidentified) perpetrators of the fraud. UltimateBet immediately removes the unauthorised code and works with the KGC and with third-party auditors to verify that the security hole has been eliminated.

Am I the only person that wonders why Tokwiro says the cheating stopped on December 3rd, 2007, but according to Tokwiro they did not even discover and remove the "unauthorised code" until February 2008.

The phrase "lying scumbag thieves" comes to my mind when thinking about Tokwiro/Absolute Poker/UltimateBet.

I would also like to see a full accounting of all the money stolen by these nameless thieves and Tokwrio's attempts to repay the players the money that was stolen from them.

And then we have the fact that Tokwrio appears to be protecting the thieves! Why not release the names of the thieves? Why not turn the thieves over to Law Enforcement? Maybe because it would be hard to explain to outsiders why the only change in ownership at AP/UB is in fantasy land...

As far as the pokeraffiliateprogram postings, it is more than obvious to anyone that takes the time to look, that a large group of poker affiliates are nothing but whores that will do anything for money.
 
There are scores of poker rooms, and unless AP and UB offer something 100% exclusive that is found nowhere on this planet, then it is beyond me why anyone is still playing there or promoting them for that matter. Baffling :confused:
This is the biggest mystery, or perhaps not? Stars only runs CPA at $75 a head, so there's no lifetime earn for a player, and if you're a US afiliate you then have Tilt, before you get to the next biggest two US supporting rooms - these two rogues.

Then you get Cake, some MG rooms and Bodog, all the rest are minute.

So if the majority of your traffic is US based, then there is likely to be a fair hit to your earnings as an affiliate. I say likely, but surely take those two sites down and your players will move to Cake or Bodog or the like, after all if they havn;t heard of UB or AP by now, they sure as hell won't have heard of Cake!

Too many affiliates are purely in it for the bottom line, even those who dress up their site as some sort of player advisory or community flag bearer.

More sites need to follow 2+2, BW and the Meister IMO in outing and blacklisting places like these.
 
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Some heavy damage control going on at present here:

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Annie Duke says she was ready to distance herself from Ultimate Bet until "new management" took over and fully disclosed. Blames previous management.

She now has "a lot of say in the business" and claims that all the "bad apples" have been removed and consequently is confident that everything is hunky dory.

But there's some confusion there regarding "change of management" and "sale of the company" - both of which are referred to but without clarity or sufficient detail to be convincing afaic.

The failure to identify the culprit publicly is explained as mainly due to legal difficulties surrounding identification of the perpetrator and under which jurisdiction to proceed, but UB is apparently investigating.

Seven figures were repaid to disadvantaged players, but again no specifics.

UB revenues were "not affected" by the scandal, AD claims.

Points to big name pros agreeing to be associated with UB (looks like one of the UB strategies) as an endorsement.

Annie Duke is a very respected name on the poker side of the business, but personally, I was not left with a comfortable feeling after viewing this video interview.

There's a clearly apparent apprehension that the upcoming "60 Minutes" program is going to make the industry look bad (UltimateBet more so, i.m.v.) The producer has recently been in contact with Annie D at WSOP, but it isn't clear what the result of that was.

Personal assessment: damage control move, and this scandal is hurting more than they wish to admit. A closing comment was to the effect that continued bashing of UB is not good for the industry. Personally, I think there has to be a lot more of the much-used word "transparency" here, especially regarding this "new ownership" question....or is that "new management?" ;)
 
The failure to identify the culprit publicly is explained as mainly due to legal difficulties surrounding identification of the perpetrator and under which jurisdiction to proceed, but UB is apparently investigating.

This makes me really angry. The funds from this criminal activity had to be taken out of the system at some point.

With so much money involved it was most likely bank transfers which would make identifying the end recipient fairly easy. Even tracing back via a web wallet shouldnt prove too difficult.

If the funds are out there in limbo somewhere, waiting to be laundered, the card rooms should do the honourable thing and start repaying ALL players that were stolen from. IMO they should be doing this anyway, in full, in order to beging the difficult task of rebuilding their image.

Regards, e.
 
This makes me really angry. The funds from this criminal activity had to be taken out of the system at some point.

With so much money involved it was most likely bank transfers which would make identifying the end recipient fairly easy. Even tracing back via a web wallet shouldnt prove too difficult.

If the funds are out there in limbo somewhere, waiting to be laundered, the card rooms should do the honourable thing and start repaying ALL players that were stolen from. IMO they should be doing this anyway, in full, in order to beging the difficult task of rebuilding their image.

Regards, e.
Dude... The management at AP/UB know who did it... They just don't want the public to know... Because if the public did know who was stealing all that money... they would be outraged.
 
Dude... The management at AP/UB know who did it... They just don't want the public to know... Because if the public did know who was stealing all that money... they would be outraged.

Definitely, they must be paying some serious 'hush hush' money to keep this quiet... but the truth has a way of eventually making itself known...

What gets me angry aswell, aside from the honest players losing out, is the damage it does to the industry as a whole. With the Frank amendment not getting through and these kind of issues going on it only adds weight to arguments by those against online gambling in general.
 
I shows the industry cannot self regulate.

The UIGEA has done nothing more than send US players to rogue sites/rogue ewallets.

If it wasnt for 2+2 and their huge efforts, most of us would be none the wiser
 
Definitely, they must be paying some serious 'hush hush' money to keep this quiet... but the truth has a way of eventually making itself known...

It's all those $168,000 apiece TV commercials and Million dollar+ $ponsorships by one or two big names... If AP/UB have a bunch of nice TV commercials, a hot spokesmodel and a weird guy that won a lot of WSOP bracelets who wears their name plastered all over his body... well they can't be all bad now can they? :rolleyes:
It just goes to show ya that money can buy respectability, no matter how much you've stolen...

What gets me angry aswell, aside from the honest players losing out, is the damage it does to the industry as a whole. With the Frank amendment not getting through and these kind of issues going on it only adds weight to arguments by those against online gambling in general.
I couldn't agree more. These A-Holes seem to be doing everything they can to screw it up for the rest of us.
 
Interesting that KGC have issued a statement a day after the PPA had a go at them with a public condemnation of the cheating incidents earlier this week.

KGC admits it could have communicated better, and says the UltimateBet investigation will bring forth a new statement within the next few days.

The Kahnawake statement acknowledges that the guys at 2+2 have done a very praiseworthy and impressive job of investigating this whole scandal, deploying some sophisticated analytical capability.

I think they are (belatedly) starting to realise that this is not going to just go away.

I found the "retraction" very interesting, too - it was probably not something that the chief's lawyers anticipated or enjoyed LOL!
 
Also AP/UB have announced they are officially merging.

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This was pointed out today.

New poker platform will integrate customers and features from two leading poker rooms to create third largest online poker network.

If you take their trailing 7 day average it is about the same as #6 Everest and less than half the size of #3 iPoker.

Anyway I wonder if a rebranding of the skins is coming. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea at this point. UB also has many skins. I have to assume they will be coming along as well. AP bought up their skins in the last couple of years.
 
Pretty much the realisation of rumours and speculation that have been doing the rounds for a while, with the next development (allegedly) to be rolling the brands into one entity.

If that happens it will presumably be at least in part designed to cast off the bad reps for both of these operations that have been generated by cheating scandals and the lack of transparency surrounding same.

I guess the question is will these leopards change their spots by forming a bigger pool of players? Annie Duke speaks very highly of this new CEO Leggett, saying that his professional approach to business is what dissuaded her from abandoning her endorsement.

Yet I still don't see too much in the way of a changed attitude when it comes to putting all the cards on the table regarding this monumental scandal.

And Tokwiro Enterprises remains officially the owner....it hasn't exactly covered itself in glory in these matters imo.
 
If that happens it will presumably be at least in part designed to cast off the bad reps for both of these operations that have been generated by cheating scandals and the lack of transparency surrounding same.

I guess the question is will these leopards change their spots by forming a bigger pool of players? Annie Duke speaks very highly of this new CEO Leggett, saying that his professional approach to business is what dissuaded her from abandoning her endorsement.

If Tokwiro Enterprises is going to change Absolute Poker/Ultimate Bet's names and roll them into one poker room...

Brings to mind what my Grandpa used to say... "You can put lipstick, purfume and a dress on a Pig... But it's still a pig."

The fact that Anne Duke continued to promote these theives AFTER she KNEW they were stealing from players... Means nothing more than she is a better poker player than she is a person.

Her opinion about the 'new' management at Tokwiro Enterprises means nothing... Did she talk about how much money Tokwiro Enterprises was paying her to say nice things about them? Of course not.

No serious player is going to believe anything she or Helmuth has to say about the online poker "business".

If Duke and Helmuth were so knowledgable about the Poker 'Biz' what were they doing promoting these theives in the first place?

If you advertise and promote theives, when you know they are theives... what does that make you?
 
New statement out from Tokwiro, I haven't really had time to digest this yet, but it still seems to fall short regarding the responsible individuals in this debacle.


QUOTE:

Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG ("Tokwiro"), proprietors of UltimateBet.com ("UB"), one of the ten largest on-line poker cardrooms, today announced that it has concluded the investigation into allegations of unfair play on UB's web site.

Tokwiro has compiled complete forensic evidence including the IP addresses, devices, transfer and withdrawal histories, and names associated with the player accounts that benefited from illicitly viewing hole card information. The results of Tokwiro's internal investigation have been turned over to the Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC) and its auditors, as that regulatory body continues its independent investigation. These results are in addition to the data which Tokwiro has already shared with the KGC.

Tokwiro has identified a total of 19 accounts and 88 associated usernames that were involved in the cheating, including the accounts that were named in Tokwiro's publicly posted investigation updates of May 29, 2008 and July 8, 2008. The same perpetrators that were previously identified controlled all of these usernames. There are no new perpetrators involved, only new usernames. Usernames were changed many times over the course of the cheating scam in an apparent scheme to avoid detection. Our complete list of usernames involved in the cheating scheme has now been turned over to the KGC, and the Company does not expect to uncover any additional usernames.

Paul Leggett, Tokwiro's Chief Operating Officer, said, "Make no mistake: our management team is outraged that this cheating occurred on our site through illicit software placed on the UB servers prior to our purchasing UltimateBet. Tokwiro is aggressively pursuing legal avenues of redress in order to protect and compensate our players and the business. Rest assured that we will release more information to the poker community and to the public at large as we enforce our and our players' rights."

"With respect to refunds to the affected players, we are continuing our analysis in order to determine the refund amounts. We will move forward with another round of refunds in the weeks ahead. We thank the poker community for its invaluable contributions to this investigation and assure it that we remain committed to fully investigating any claims of fraud on our site," Mr. Leggett said.

The investigation revealed that the perpetrators logged into the client software, using an account that had the ability to view hole cards. The ability of a specific account to view hole cards was enabled by illicit software that was placed on the UltimateBet servers prior to October 2006, which was before Tokwiro acquired the business.

The account that was used to view hole cards never actually played in a game. Instead, the perpetrators used hole card information gained from logging in with this account while playing on other accounts, which thereby benefited from the cheating. The money won by the accounts that received hole card information was then moved around and off the site in a complex web of player-to-player transfers and withdrawals. This contributed to the complexity of Tokwiro's efforts to uncover the truth.

Mr. Leggett concluded: "We cannot over-emphasize the fact that Tokwiro and its entire management team had no knowledge of the illicit software until it was revealed by our investigation; and no one associated with Tokwiro was involved in the cheating scheme at any point." UNQUOTE
 
Awesome post Lotso and I couldn't agree more!




If Tokwiro Enterprises is going to change Absolute Poker/Ultimate Bet's names and roll them into one poker room...

Brings to mind what my Grandpa used to say... "You can put lipstick, purfume and a dress on a Pig... But it's still a pig."

The fact that Anne Duke continued to promote these theives AFTER she KNEW they were stealing from players... Means nothing more than she is a better poker player than she is a person.

Her opinion about the 'new' management at Tokwiro Enterprises means nothing... Did she talk about how much money Tokwiro Enterprises was paying her to say nice things about them? Of course not.

No serious player is going to believe anything she or Helmuth has to say about the online poker "business".

If Duke and Helmuth were so knowledgable about the Poker 'Biz' what were they doing promoting these theives in the first place?

If you advertise and promote theives, when you know they are theives... what does that make you?
 
If Duke and Helmuth were so knowledgable about the Poker 'Biz' what were they doing promoting these theives in the first place?

If you advertise and promote theives, when you know they are theives... what does that make you?
Sad to say lots of money!
 
IMO there remains too many unanswered questions in the latest Tokwiro statement, and unfortunately I don't expect the next Kahnawake effort will be much better.

They say they now know who these 'perpetrators' are, yet there is no indication of who they are, what their relationship to the company past or present is and exactly what concrete criminal action is being taken against them in this multi-million dollar fraud of what must be a considerable number of players (we don't know how many because they haven't revealed this either).

The current Tokwiro strategy appears to be that the criminally defective software was positioned before the sale of the Absolute Poker and UltimateBet sites to Tokwiro's ex-chief Joe Norton, but the company statements don't reveal who was behind the company that sold AP and UB to Tokwiro, how much was paid for these companies and whether any of the sellers are still shareholders or have other links to Tokwiro.

This lack of upfront transparency will continue to generate questions about the integrity of Tokwiro and by association about the KGC.
 

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