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UltimateBet - Absolute Poker Scam

Discussion in 'Casinomeister's Poker Room' started by Casinomeister, May 22, 2008.

    May 22, 2008
  1. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    "Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive..."

    Not a happy moment for Ultimatebet and Absolute Poker - a very thorough expose has been posted at the 2+2 poker forums:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Another blackmark against the Kahnawake Gaming Commision - in fact, this could just make them look just as effective as the Costa Rican Gaming authorities :rolleyes:
     
  2. May 22, 2008
  3. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Synopsis from Twoplustwo

    You must register/login in order to see the link. - reprinted with permission:

    Please refer to the graphic posted here. There is also a review of the statistcs as well:
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    Further:

    Please note - this was similar to the responses I received during the Absolute Poker scandal last fall.

    Absolute Poker has been in the rogue pit since then :rolleyes:

    The athors go on stating that they hope that the thread can be used as a springboard of discussion on how this should never be allowed to happen again, and how can Ultimatebet respond to this and make restitution to the millions of dollars allegedly stolen.

    Is this the beginning of the end for the self-regulated poker rooms?

    Why is anyone still playing at these poker rooms anyway?? :what:
     
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  4. May 22, 2008
  5. Bullajami

    Bullajami Dormant account webmeister

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    Enjoying It!
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    Online
    I started following this about a week ago. Truly horrifying for online poker. My concern now is that these thieves were caught because they were so greedy they won every single pot they could. Who is to say that someone could not still be doing the same thing, but toning it down to only look like a great NL player with a high, but realistic win rate? He could go years without being caught.
     
  6. May 22, 2008
  7. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

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    Exactly! If these crooks had used half a brain and played smart (keeping their wins within some sort of normal range) they'd still be raking in the dough.

    Makes me wonder who hasn't been caught.

    And for my short rant of the day -- I'm still pissed off that no formal charges of theft, fraud, whatever have been lodged against the crooks in the original AP mess.
     
  8. May 22, 2008
  9. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

    Occupation:
    I do nothing productive
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    Hell on Earth
    Because a big part of that money they stole they are using to buy credibility by advertising at EVERY major Poker event and hiring high profile professional poker players to advertise and promote for them.

    The professional players like Phil Hellmuth and Anne Duke are really playing with fire here if they don't distance themselves from AP/UB.

    Phil H. is well aware of the cheating that has been going on at AP and UB, he has even made some lame promises about what he would do if it were proven that they were cheating... Well after overwhelming proof has been shown, Phil H. has not said a word about it and has ignored all questions put to him about the cheating.

    I understand there is a movement to hand out printed copies of the proof of cheating that has been posted in 2+2 forums at the WSOP that starts at the Rio(Vegas) in a few days. The folks doing the handing out, will most likley get escorted out of the casino... But it will make a very public stink...

    What I don't get is the land based casinos (HARRAH’S) allowing these cheating M*****F*****s to advertise on their property and sponsor WSOP satellites. If I were in Harrah's public relations/legal department, I would be very concerned about being associated with known and proven cheaters like Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet.
     
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  10. May 22, 2008
  11. GaryWatson

    GaryWatson Dormant account

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    I think its a bit unfair all the people giving them a hard time. After all, they have held some super duper charity events.
     
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  12. May 22, 2008
  13. Bullajami

    Bullajami Dormant account webmeister

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    Because they don't know (they do not keep informed of online poker news) or they don't care (they see that most of the good players who keep up with online poker news have disappeared and it is mostly fish left at UB).
     
  14. May 23, 2008
  15. BBKPoker

    BBKPoker halfway to busto PABrogue3

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    Edinburgh, Seattle, Vancouver BC, Auckland
    The worst sort of scumbags.

    They make millions of the rake daily, they aren't happy with that?

    I had my suspicious about Ultimate Bet even before I posted the Absolute Poker thread on here, and once again, I'd like to state that the evidence show is irrefutable that the site is rigged.

    A win rate of 10 standard deviations over the mean is so improbable it is functionally impossible, and I'm sure Michael Shackleford would agree with that.
     
  16. May 24, 2008
  17. bb28

    bb28 Meister Member

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    Let's get this story out there!

    This story really needs to get out and be picked up by major news media. So many people were clueless about the AP scandal and still many that were in the know continue playing.
    I tried to submit the article URL from the twoplustwo forum on Digg but it wouldn't allow me to because of previous spamming by I don't know who.
    Anyway...... I just submitted the story link here at CM on Digg. Here is the link. You must register/login in order to see the link. For those who aren't familiar with Digg please check this link out. You must register/login in order to see the link.
    Digg is very popular, users are the submitters and to keep the story alive it must be dug by users. So please go cast your vote if you feel this is a important matter that needs to get out to the masses. If the article does not receive enough diggs it will be deleted within a few hours.
     
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  18. May 24, 2008
  19. Corey1972

    Corey1972 Dormant account

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    Cedar Hill, TX
    I just called Ultimate Bet at 1.866.605.0311 and informed them that I just heard about this today and am going to quit playing there and ask all my friends to until UB settles this matter. The customer service rep said he has not heard about this matter. I asked if anybody has called about this matter. He said not to his knowledge. I informed him that it seems the news just broke today or yesterday, and he would soon be receiving hundreds of calls about this matter.

    So if everybody calls # this maybe it will get their attention. It costs UB $$$ to run a 1.866 #. Let's all call ( I was friendly ) and let them know what we think!
     
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  20. May 24, 2008
  21. GaryWatson

    GaryWatson Dormant account

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    Tokwiro Enterprises owned UB when AP got caught, and strangely enough Tokwiro Enterprises still owns UB. If kahnawake were not paid for covering up the investigation, at least they would have exposed a multi million dollar fraud. It seems they tried to cover AP/UB's tracks, but the true investigation is against Tokwiro Enterprises, another whitewash.
     
  22. May 24, 2008
  23. KellyBlend

    KellyBlend Dormant account

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    Congratulations - it finally sunk in! However, this thread comes much too late!
    In view of the incidents with Absolute and Ultimate Bet I suggest that the Casinomeister accreditation criteria are revised substantially. As long as this does not happen, Casinomeister is also a questionable organisation and for me nothing more than an eyewash. This is also the reason why I have moved back from this forum silently.
     
  24. May 24, 2008
  25. GaryWatson

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    Deleted - offtopic and abusive rant, reported by several members.
     
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  26. May 24, 2008
  27. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    What's your trip? UB and Absolute were never listed here as far as I know. :what:

    Eyewash? Yeah, gets the red out :thumbsup:
     
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  28. May 25, 2008
  29. kakata

    kakata Banned User - hyper flamming PABnonaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    miami fl


    :lolup::lolup::lolup:
     
  30. May 25, 2008
  31. same_old

    same_old Dormant account PABaccred webmeister

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    Australia
    Well said Corey. Thats about it- the net is a great place to spread the word.
    After AP was done it was swept under the carpet pretty quick and the player was none the wiser.
    I think we all need to keep this alive and tell EVERYONE you now, the word WILL get around and close these bloody assholes down. I suggest you take your money out of that aplce and any that is remotely conected to the 2 outfits.
     
  32. May 25, 2008
  33. bryand

    bryand Beach Bum

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    Legal
    Location:
    Just Across the Hudson River
    I think the current UB problem was caused by a dirty employee that assisted the players in question and they won't admit it due to bad publicity. It's hard for me to believe that top management and/or ownership would risk it all on a relatively small amount of money.
     
  34. May 25, 2008
  35. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    I agree - the more mileage this story is given the less liklihood there will be of unwary players getting dragged into yet another dangerous situation with a Tokwiro operation.

    Kudos to Casinomeister for doing his bit in achieving that.
     
  36. May 26, 2008
  37. jolub

    jolub Experienced Member

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    Sadly, I have a few hundred dollars at UB & AP. Most of the money at AP came from my account at Vegas. I've already had hundreds of dollars taken from me my rogue sites and DGS. Maybe it's time to give up on-line gambling. It would seem the real gamble is if I'll get my deposit back.
     
  38. May 26, 2008
  39. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    The problem is that companies like this have massive marketing agencies that will bring in droves of unwary players. I have found that most players, casino and poker players alike, will never do any bit of investigation. It's like they've never heard of Google :rolleyes: - Sometimes it's their own damn fault.

    The AP spectacle was unforgivable. The Kahnawake license should have been yanked with prejudice. I would have like to have seen how another jurisdiction would have dealt with this. (IOM, Gib, Malta). But I think there is a conflict of interest in the land of the Mohawks :p

    Speaking of losing credibility, look at Gambling911's take on this last fall stating that AP will become the safest poker room on the net because of this debacle. C'mon - puhleese. As a "news" reporting entity, they were obligated to chastise this poker room and steer the sheep away.

    Now look what happened :rolleyes:
     

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