UKGC licensing affiliates?

[justdoit]

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[justdoit]

Firstly there is no indication as of yet this is true about affiliate licensing - you are effectively 'licensed' anyway as your licensed casinos you promote will make you do things by the rules anyway, all the CAP, LCCP and UKGC ones. It's been talked about in the past but would be expensive for the UKGC and they cannot control affiliates promoting to multiple jurisdictions outside the UK anyway.

I am editing the title here from " Should Chipmonkz be in prison?" to something more reasonable as it's very perjorative and inflammatory, plus we don't approve of (or allow in the CM rules) cross-forum posting, where you got this subject from and copied that image from.

Incidentally, the image contains one big error - the words 'to the UK market.' should be added to the end. No rules or laws exist, or likely ever would, forbidding a UK resident to run an affiliate site that promoted to markets outside the UK.

There's no laws against what he does as far as I can tell, he's not even doing it from the UK anyway IIRC. There's no laws in the UK preventing people playing at unlicensed or crypto casinos either. Or from promoting them as long as the offers don't use wording directly aimed at UK residents on behalf of unlicensed sites - the rules apply to UK-facing casinos that allow and advertise for UK players. Many on here from the UK play 'grey' crypto sites.

 

[interlog]

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If this affiliate is promoting non UKGC licensed casinos (I don't know if this is the case because I don't watch him), then there is nothing the UKGC can do as far as I know. They don't have any jurisdiction or power over these non UKGC licensed casinos.

If this affiliate also promotes UKGC licensed casinos but doesn't advertise these through his streams (say he only streams on non UKGC licensed casinos), then how would he have breached the UKGC guidelines?

 

[justdoit]

If this affiliate is promoting non UKGC licensed casinos (I don't know if this is the case because I don't watch him), then there is nothing the UKGC can do as far as I know. They don't have any jurisdiction or power over these non UKGC licensed casinos.

If this affiliate also promotes UKGC licensed casinos but doesn't advertise these through his streams (say he only streams on non UKGC licensed casinos), then how would he have breached the UKGC guidelines?

he stream on £ but on illegal gambling

 

[AndrewPearson]

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There is no mention on there what that subject is even about?

 

[Deeplay]

he stream on £ but on illegal gambling

They would need to define "illegal" nothing illegal about playing at casinos not registered in the UK. Nothing illegal about playing at crypto casinos. I have played at cryptos not covered by the UKGC - have had my balances in £ $ and € - nothing illegal about it. As to how safe it is - well thats another matter down to personal choice.

 

[justdoit]

They would need to define "illegal" nothing illegal about playing at casinos not registered in the UK. Nothing illegal about playing at crypto casinos. I have played at cryptos not covered by the UKGC - have had my balances in £ $ and € - nothing illegal about it. As to how safe it is - well thats another matter down to personal choice.

when casino has no license pay no Tax to UK Government is called Illegal, same think when streamer earn affiliation money from illegal casino, is illegal money, I dont think HMRC will be happy about it, I guess as normal play is not Illegal

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[dunover]

when casino has no license pay no Tax to UK Government is called Illegal, same think when streamer earn affiliation money from illegal casino, is illegal money, I dont think HMRC will be happy about it, I guess as normal play is not Illegal

HMRC don't care what job you do to earn money, they just want income declared and tax paid. Prostitutes, escort girls etc. often register and pay tax, despite legal issues with their occupations. HMRC are tax collectors, not lawmakers and judges. And if you promote unlicensed gambling from a foreign country like Ireland or Malta, what's that got to do with the UK's HMRC?

 

[justdoit]

There is no mention on there what that subject is even about?

someone is report it crypto streamer in UK they earning illegal money without paying tax, same time he report it they not using Age Gate to protect under 18, I guess is under UKGC rules for any one advertising casinos in youtube to be age gate, only stream I know he use Age Gate is RocknRolla

 

[justdoit]

HMRC don't care what job you do to earn money, they just want income declared and tax paid. Prostitutes, escort girls etc. often register and pay tax, despite legal issues with their occupations. HMRC are tax collectors, not lawmakers and judges. And if you promote unlicensed gambling from a foreign country like Ireland or Malta, what's that got to do with the UK's HMRC?

so you saying HMRC dont care if black market casinos go online in UK pay 0 tax? so whats the point other casinos applying for license from UKGC or paying tax to HMRC? they should all refuse UKGC license and go online like Crypto casinos

 

[dunover]

so you saying HMRC dont care if black market casinos go online in UK pay 0 tax? so whats the point other casinos applying for license from UKGC or paying tax to HMRC? they should all refuse UKGC license and go online like Crypto casinos

HMRC don't give a stuff about it - they are concerned only with revenue due from licensed operators. Blocking those sites is not their concern. Of course there's a point to license properly - if the business is located in a proper country like say Spain or Sweden then the operator would be pursued and prosecuted under EU or international trading laws if the failed to license. You are not making the distinction between legitimate operators from proper countries and fraud from banana republics/Israel/Russia etc. Those cannot easily be prevented. Some fraudsters are located in Malta and Cyprus but are hidden behind layers of shell companies and offshore trusts etc. and are impossible to collect from.

This situation will remain until either the scammers are blocked, extradited and miraculously, the playing public actually gets a grip and learns how to spot unlicensed sites.

 

[SpinUk]

Bit naive of you here (not you Dunover) - HMRC tax trades. That’s why they are there. They less interested in the legality of it - the police can deal with the legality.

Case in point, operating illegal gaming machines is a trade (Mann v Nash [1932]).

Even drug dealing is a taxable trade.

 

[justdoit]

HMRC don't give a stuff about it - they are concerned only with revenue due from licensed operators. Blocking those sites is not their concern. Of course there's a point to license properly - if the business is located in a proper country like say Spain or Sweden then the operator would be pursued and prosecuted under EU or international trading laws if the failed to license. You are not making the distinction between legitimate operators from proper countries and fraud from banana republics/Israel/Russia etc. Those cannot easily be prevented. Some fraudsters are located in Malta and Cyprus but are hidden behind layers of shell companies and offshore trusts etc. and are impossible to collect from.

This situation will remain until either the scammers are blocked, extradited and miraculously, the playing public actually gets a grip and learns how to spot unlicensed sites.

you right they just organised criminals, but when you see this report and how much they earn without paying tax should be worry for HMRC or UKGC,
black market is taking good amount of money from UK Economy, when you see totals stakes over £2b they should be worry

 

[Deeplay]

you right they just organised criminals, but when you see this report and how much they earn without paying tax should be worry for HMRC or UKGC,
black market is taking good amount of money from UK Economy, when you see totals stakes over £2b they should be worry


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Unlicenced does not make it illegal no matter what personal thoughts are. As a consumer I am entitled to spend my own money in my own way. If I use my money for something illegal such as drugs - (which I dont) or other activities which are deemed illegal under UK criminal law then yes it is an issue. But not one for HMRC - and like it or not some (not all) but some of the operators based abroad in loose licencing districts will be fully legal in the country the business is based. HMRC can not touch them. Neither can they touch an private individual who chooses to gamble at such places. They could be a moral point to all of this but moral is not law. The above report you shared does not use the wording "criminal" as far as I can see - it states "unlicensed operators" which is a big difference.

 

[justdoit]

if you earn money without declaring to Gov tax office is illegal, no one is talking to tell you where you should spend your money, is about earning money from illegal market,
regards to illegal or not of course is illegal, I am not english but every one who knows 2+2=4 know what illegal or legal mean