UKGC licensing affiliates?

[AndrewPearson]

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I was reading this post on Bandits forum and someone said:

Is this true, affiliates are now going to be regulated directly?

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[sufferinsilence]

In prison? Seems a bit harsh, even if you don't like him

If he breaks the rules and gets dragged to court there could be a fine I guess. Since I don't watch him or know much about him I don't know what exactly he's doing (wrong). The topic you linked is a bit vague and afaik promoting crypto casinos isn't forbidden.

 

[dunover]

backinamo.com/forum/topic/should-chip-be-in-prison/
I was reading this post on Bandits forum and someone said:

Is this true, affiliates are now going to be regulated directly?

Firstly there is no indication as of yet this is true about affiliate licensing - you are effectively 'licensed' anyway as your licensed casinos you promote will make you do things by the rules anyway, all the CAP, LCCP and UKGC ones. It's been talked about in the past but would be expensive for the UKGC and they cannot control affiliates promoting to multiple jurisdictions outside the UK anyway.

I am editing the title here from " Should Chipmonkz be in prison?" to something more reasonable as it's very perjorative and inflammatory, plus we don't approve of (or allow in the CM rules) cross-forum posting, where you got this subject from and copied that image from.

Incidentally, the image contains one big error - the words 'to the UK market.' should be added to the end. No rules or laws exist, or likely ever would, forbidding a UK resident to run an affiliate site that promoted to markets outside the UK.

There's no laws against what he does as far as I can tell, he's not even doing it from the UK anyway IIRC. There's no laws in the UK preventing people playing at unlicensed or crypto casinos either. Or from promoting them as long as the offers don't use wording directly aimed at UK residents on behalf of unlicensed sites - the rules apply to UK-facing casinos that allow and advertise for UK players. Many on here from the UK play 'grey' crypto sites.

 

[justdoit]

I dont watch chip, but all I see now lot of UK streamers are pushing to very bad crypto casinos, most of this crypto casinos are own by same scam casinos they target gamblers in gamstop, BC K8 casinos are the same company own by casinos they charger when you make deposit from Africa Turkey etc is really bad, and chip is one of them pushing everyone to join this scams crypto casinos

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[interlog]

I can't see how the UKGC can stop for example me promoting a Crypto casino that is not regulated by them. They have no jurisdiction or authority to do so in my opinion.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Think the thread should be titled 'Does Chipmonkz or any other streamer give a flying about advertising rules?'

 

[bamberfishcake]

" Should Chipmonkz be in prison?"

I've only just seen this. Funny title

I agree prison is a bit harsh. At least a warning first. I think if they promote to under-18s or deliberately flaunt the rules they should be fined and warned.

As Interlog says though, hard to see how the UKGC can enforce it.

 

[justdoit]

I can't see how the UKGC can stop for example me promoting a Crypto casino that is not regulated by them. They have no jurisdiction or authority to do so in my opinion.

if Slovakia Iranian GOV could block Twitch, way cant UK block illegal casinos? they make so much money from UK gamblers they pay 0 tax

 

[interlog]

if Slovakia Iranian GOV could block Twitch, way cant UK block illegal casinos? they make so much money from UK gamblers they pay 0 tax
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Why should they? It shouldn't be any business of the UK Government where I spent my money that I already paid tax over via my wages.

 

[justdoit]

Why should they? It shouldn't be any business of the UK Government where I spent my money that I already paid tax over via my wages.

coz they illegal casinos should pay tax like any other business they pay in UK,

 

[bamberfishcake]

Like Amazon?

 

[bamberfishcake]

Not knowing the full details I could be wrong but I like to think that while our freedoms are slowly being eroded, we have a long way to go before a nationwide ban on Twitch like Iran.

But I guess there is nothing actually stopping them, we would probably roll over and accept it.

 

[justdoit]

Not knowing the full details I could be wrong but I like to think that while our freedoms are slowly being eroded, we have a long way to go before a nationwide ban on Twitch like Iran.

But I guess there is nothing actually stopping them, we would probably roll over and accept it.

yes m8 nothing wrong to play in Crypto Casino, but the one UK streamers are dealing are very bad, they operate from Cyprus 99%, they owner of same casinos they own non gamstop casinos, one think is good is going so bad coz GOV will get more complain to close them

 

[Deeplay]

if Slovakia Iranian GOV could block Twitch, way cant UK block illegal casinos? they make so much money from UK gamblers they pay 0 tax
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Impossible to enforce. Unless its a total ban of a social network such as twitter. Not gonna happen and neither would many want it to. Even though I find said streamer in question odious to say the least. Its there own business what they do outside of the UK. If you dont like it just block it yourself. The above quote you shared was a total ban on Twitch. To ban individual accounts can only be done by the moderators of each platform. Impossible to enforce or manage a goverment ban on individuals. Enough damage has already been done to the UK gambling scene by the UKGC they need less involvment not more. But not gonna happen. Which is why I play exclusivly now at offshore none UK registered casinos. Never had a single issue.

 

[The Dude]

Think the thread should be titled 'Does Chipmonkz or any other streamer give a flying about advertising rules?'

Well I changed this to something more appropriate since our membership nor Google wants to read about Chipmoknzzzzz stuff. Seriously, can we lay off the personal agendas? Thank you.

 

[justdoit]

Impossible to enforce. Unless its a total ban of a social network such as twitter. Not gonna happen and neither would many want it to. Even though I find said streamer in question odious to say the least. Its there own business what they do outside of the UK. If you dont like it just block it yourself. The above quote you shared was a total ban on Twitch. To ban individual accounts can only be done by the moderators of each platform. Impossible to enforce or manage a goverment ban on individuals. Enough damage has already been done to the UK gambling scene by the UKGC they need less involvment not more. But not gonna happen. Which is why I play exclusivly now at offshore none UK registered casinos. Never had a single issue.

Gov crime agent can block any www that is scam GOV by not paying tax

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[pinnit2014]

coz they illegal casinos should pay tax like any other business they pay in UK,

But you play Crypto, no? Certainly did in the past

 

[bamberfishcake]

Well I changed this to something more appropriate since our membership nor Google wants to read about Chipmoknzzzzz stuff. Seriously, can we lay off the personal agendas? Thank you.

No personal agenda, really. He nor anyone else in the industry is that relevant in my life to warrant any personal agenda. The title mentioned Chipmonkz so I did also.

I will endeavour to exclude his name from any further posts

 

[pinnit2014]

No personal agenda, really. He nor anyone else in the industry is that relevant in my life to warrant any personal agenda. The title mentioned Chipmonkz so I did also.

I will endeavour to exclude his name from any further posts

Thank you Chipmonkz, for that well thought out reply

 

[justdoit]

But you play Crypto, no? Certainly did in the past

I did try it, not big fan of crypto casinos

 

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[Deeplay]

Gov crime agent can block any www that is scam GOV by not paying tax

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yes they can (which can easily be bypassed) but they are not going to block youtube for the sake of gambling. Neither will they block twitter. And they can not block and individual account on a social media platform. Not gonna happen.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I have been hearing a lot about The Restrict Act, its all-encompassing definitions around data and outlawing the use of VPNs.

They (The USA) will be able to block whatever they want if it comes into force, regulating any information across the net.

The net is tightening. But it's all for your own protection, for the sake of national security, nothing to do with controlling your speech, and there is nothing to worry about by having your freedom stripped.

 

[justdoit]

I have been hearing a lot about The Restrict Act, its all-encompassing definitions around data and outlawing the use of VPNs.

They (The USA) will be able to block whatever they want if it comes into force, regulating any information across the net.

The net is tightening. But it's all for your own protection, for the sake of national security, nothing to do with controlling your speech, and there is nothing to worry about by having your freedom stripped.

some thinks is all about one person, not the way GOV see it, they are 110,000 jobs over 4b paid in tax, they never going to let Black market take it away, is like USA is talking to ban all tiktok ?

 

[justdoit]

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[justdoit]

Firstly there is no indication as of yet this is true about affiliate licensing - you are effectively 'licensed' anyway as your licensed casinos you promote will make you do things by the rules anyway, all the CAP, LCCP and UKGC ones. It's been talked about in the past but would be expensive for the UKGC and they cannot control affiliates promoting to multiple jurisdictions outside the UK anyway.

I am editing the title here from " Should Chipmonkz be in prison?" to something more reasonable as it's very perjorative and inflammatory, plus we don't approve of (or allow in the CM rules) cross-forum posting, where you got this subject from and copied that image from.

Incidentally, the image contains one big error - the words 'to the UK market.' should be added to the end. No rules or laws exist, or likely ever would, forbidding a UK resident to run an affiliate site that promoted to markets outside the UK.

There's no laws against what he does as far as I can tell, he's not even doing it from the UK anyway IIRC. There's no laws in the UK preventing people playing at unlicensed or crypto casinos either. Or from promoting them as long as the offers don't use wording directly aimed at UK residents on behalf of unlicensed sites - the rules apply to UK-facing casinos that allow and advertise for UK players. Many on here from the UK play 'grey' crypto sites.

 

[interlog]

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If this affiliate is promoting non UKGC licensed casinos (I don't know if this is the case because I don't watch him), then there is nothing the UKGC can do as far as I know. They don't have any jurisdiction or power over these non UKGC licensed casinos.

If this affiliate also promotes UKGC licensed casinos but doesn't advertise these through his streams (say he only streams on non UKGC licensed casinos), then how would he have breached the UKGC guidelines?

 

[justdoit]

If this affiliate is promoting non UKGC licensed casinos (I don't know if this is the case because I don't watch him), then there is nothing the UKGC can do as far as I know. They don't have any jurisdiction or power over these non UKGC licensed casinos.

If this affiliate also promotes UKGC licensed casinos but doesn't advertise these through his streams (say he only streams on non UKGC licensed casinos), then how would he have breached the UKGC guidelines?

he stream on £ but on illegal gambling ?

 

[AndrewPearson]

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There is no mention on there what that subject is even about?

 

[Deeplay]

he stream on £ but on illegal gambling ?

They would need to define "illegal" nothing illegal about playing at casinos not registered in the UK. Nothing illegal about playing at crypto casinos. I have played at cryptos not covered by the UKGC - have had my balances in £ $ and € - nothing illegal about it. As to how safe it is - well thats another matter down to personal choice.

 

[justdoit]

They would need to define "illegal" nothing illegal about playing at casinos not registered in the UK. Nothing illegal about playing at crypto casinos. I have played at cryptos not covered by the UKGC - have had my balances in £ $ and € - nothing illegal about it. As to how safe it is - well thats another matter down to personal choice.

when casino has no license pay no Tax to UK Government is called Illegal, same think when streamer earn affiliation money from illegal casino, is illegal money, I dont think HMRC will be happy about it, I guess as normal play is not Illegal

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[dunover]

when casino has no license pay no Tax to UK Government is called Illegal, same think when streamer earn affiliation money from illegal casino, is illegal money, I dont think HMRC will be happy about it, I guess as normal play is not Illegal

HMRC don't care what job you do to earn money, they just want income declared and tax paid. Prostitutes, escort girls etc. often register and pay tax, despite legal issues with their occupations. HMRC are tax collectors, not lawmakers and judges. And if you promote unlicensed gambling from a foreign country like Ireland or Malta, what's that got to do with the UK's HMRC?

 

[justdoit]

There is no mention on there what that subject is even about?

someone is report it crypto streamer in UK they earning illegal money without paying tax, same time he report it they not using Age Gate to protect under 18, I guess is under UKGC rules for any one advertising casinos in youtube to be age gate, only stream I know he use Age Gate is RocknRolla

 

[justdoit]

HMRC don't care what job you do to earn money, they just want income declared and tax paid. Prostitutes, escort girls etc. often register and pay tax, despite legal issues with their occupations. HMRC are tax collectors, not lawmakers and judges. And if you promote unlicensed gambling from a foreign country like Ireland or Malta, what's that got to do with the UK's HMRC?

so you saying HMRC dont care if black market casinos go online in UK pay 0 tax? so whats the point other casinos applying for license from UKGC or paying tax to HMRC? they should all refuse UKGC license and go online like Crypto casinos

 

[dunover]

so you saying HMRC dont care if black market casinos go online in UK pay 0 tax? so whats the point other casinos applying for license from UKGC or paying tax to HMRC? they should all refuse UKGC license and go online like Crypto casinos

HMRC don't give a stuff about it - they are concerned only with revenue due from licensed operators. Blocking those sites is not their concern. Of course there's a point to license properly - if the business is located in a proper country like say Spain or Sweden then the operator would be pursued and prosecuted under EU or international trading laws if the failed to license. You are not making the distinction between legitimate operators from proper countries and fraud from banana republics/Israel/Russia etc. Those cannot easily be prevented. Some fraudsters are located in Malta and Cyprus but are hidden behind layers of shell companies and offshore trusts etc. and are impossible to collect from.

This situation will remain until either the scammers are blocked, extradited and miraculously, the playing public actually gets a grip and learns how to spot unlicensed sites.

 

[SpinUk]

Bit naive of you here (not you Dunover) - HMRC tax trades. That’s why they are there. They less interested in the legality of it - the police can deal with the legality.

Case in point, operating illegal gaming machines is a trade (Mann v Nash [1932]).

Even drug dealing is a taxable trade.

 

[justdoit]

HMRC don't give a stuff about it - they are concerned only with revenue due from licensed operators. Blocking those sites is not their concern. Of course there's a point to license properly - if the business is located in a proper country like say Spain or Sweden then the operator would be pursued and prosecuted under EU or international trading laws if the failed to license. You are not making the distinction between legitimate operators from proper countries and fraud from banana republics/Israel/Russia etc. Those cannot easily be prevented. Some fraudsters are located in Malta and Cyprus but are hidden behind layers of shell companies and offshore trusts etc. and are impossible to collect from.

This situation will remain until either the scammers are blocked, extradited and miraculously, the playing public actually gets a grip and learns how to spot unlicensed sites.

you right they just organised criminals, but when you see this report and how much they earn without paying tax should be worry for HMRC or UKGC,
black market is taking good amount of money from UK Economy, when you see totals stakes over £2b they should be worry

 

[Deeplay]

you right they just organised criminals, but when you see this report and how much they earn without paying tax should be worry for HMRC or UKGC,
black market is taking good amount of money from UK Economy, when you see totals stakes over £2b they should be worry


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Unlicenced does not make it illegal no matter what personal thoughts are. As a consumer I am entitled to spend my own money in my own way. If I use my money for something illegal such as drugs - (which I dont) or other activities which are deemed illegal under UK criminal law then yes it is an issue. But not one for HMRC - and like it or not some (not all) but some of the operators based abroad in loose licencing districts will be fully legal in the country the business is based. HMRC can not touch them. Neither can they touch an private individual who chooses to gamble at such places. They could be a moral point to all of this but moral is not law. The above report you shared does not use the wording "criminal" as far as I can see - it states "unlicensed operators" which is a big difference.

 

[justdoit]

if you earn money without declaring to Gov tax office is illegal, no one is talking to tell you where you should spend your money, is about earning money from illegal market,
regards to illegal or not of course is illegal, I am not english but every one who knows 2+2=4 know what illegal or legal mean