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SkyBet have Boris Johnson at 3/1 to be PM again. I hope to god this is some sort of attempt to get mug punters money.
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If I had to have a guess I'd say it'll be Sunak, Mordaunt and Hunt in terms of a coronation by Tory MPs. But if Johnson is put to the membership they'll go for him.
Johnson is still popular amongst the party faithful, but very unpopular with the electorate at large, I can't even see how he'd put a functional cabinet together TBH, considering everyone he lied to and/or threw under the bus during his last stint.
The one box he would tick I suppose is you could make the case he's the PM the country actually voted for at the last general election, which offsets some of the criticism of the Tories swapping PMs like a bunch of stoners pass a joint around.
In any decent world they'd go to a general election, as I stated earlier today the Tory party is now unleadable and mad, and until it comes to terms with the fundamental lie and 'original sin' of Brexit, swapping leaders again won't fix the rot at the core.
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3/1. That's gotta be double up boost special with a max £10 bet on it, surely ? Though am heading off to deposit regardless.
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It’d be a U-Turn the size of the Angel of the North if they do put Boris back in.
I notice BBC have put up a guide as to why Liz Truss resigned on their web site. I think I could probably sum it up in a few words personally.
I notice BBC have put up a guide as to why Liz Truss resigned on their web site. I think I could probably sum it up in a few words personally.
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Truss lasted longer than my husband
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only 44 days?
if you really want to copy us Italians, you'd better to concentrate on cooking, or on weather, but not on the duration of governments !
if you really want to copy us Italians, you'd better to concentrate on cooking, or on weather, but not on the duration of governments !
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I hear the incapable and incompetent Liz Truss who was awful at her job (no surprise there as a UK politician) gets £115K per year now from the taxpayer for doing so bad.
Nothing quite succeeds like failure.
Nothing quite succeeds like failure.
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As I've seen said elsewhere, at least the Italians and Greeks have incredible food - we have beans on fucking toast
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You're a northener. Probably never seen couscous, sushi etc. and think they are foreign footballers.As I've seen said elsewhere, at least the Italians and Greeks have incredible food - we have beans on fucking toast
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Yayyy!
His restoration will nullify 'democratic' calls for an election, the absolute fucking last thing the country or markets need right now. It'll piss Stormer off as he shrinks in the House opposite Johnson. Of course, in some quarters people will think it confirms the circus merry-go-round of insanity if he gets back in, but as said, he was elected and despite his personal failings (now trivial in context) before the Indian snake slithered under him in July, he at least had adequate policies and was steering the ship OK.
BBB!!!
His restoration will nullify 'democratic' calls for an election, the absolute fucking last thing the country or markets need right now. It'll piss Stormer off as he shrinks in the House opposite Johnson. Of course, in some quarters people will think it confirms the circus merry-go-round of insanity if he gets back in, but as said, he was elected and despite his personal failings (now trivial in context) before the Indian snake slithered under him in July, he at least had adequate policies and was steering the ship OK.
BBB!!!
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I'll be amazed if he crosses the 100 vote threshold amongst Tory MPs to even get into the running, it's pretty hard to overstate how loathed he is within sections of his own party, let alone the wider electorate.
I do kind of admire the alternate reality you occupy dunover, where do I buy tickets and what drugs do I need to take?
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Are you delirious? He is a clown of a man and not of the calibre required to lead a country. A buffoon who lines his own pockets and that of his pals while forsaking the people and future of his country.
I cant believe people continue to support such inadequate leadership.
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Oh to be writing the rules.....
She knew the game was up, but she's made sure to limp on long enough to claim this.
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And that makes him different from the rest of them....how??
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It doesnt. But why keep endorsing and accepting failure?
Possibly one of the worst reasons for wanting a Prime MInister I have heard. Come on mate, you know better than that.
It is unacceptable for us to become apathetic to their failures. They need to be held accountable for their lies and thievery or don't be surprised or complain when this country that is going down the drain in all areas plunges further.
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His policies weren't failures, more his personal conduct. I think he's served his time out and needs to steady the ship, not because I think he's that great but because there's no real credible alternative IMO. The Su-nake Charmer, spend-a-penny or the MOD bloke?
Labour isn't ready, not even had 3 years preparation, still hiding many foul-mouthed louts, harridans and marxists and were prepared to be out of power for 10 years after 2019, not had time or the will to remove their thugs and communists unlike the Blair model which managed to create an acceptable alternative in 1997, after 18 years of trying.
If you read up, Churchill wouldn't have been in power 5 minutes in today's woke/snowflake age; was irascible, bad-tempered and basically would have been outed in today's climate as a 'bully' with an 0800 helpline number for those who worked for him. Perfect in a personal sense he certainly wasn't, but the right man at the time. And don't forget he got booted out in his first election.
I hate to say it, but if we had Blair's 1997 lot ready to take the reins I'd be joining calls for a GE, but as I said Labour is infested with Corbynites and traitors and are NOT to be trusted, despite the anonymous grey leader wearing the grey suit.
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This would be an amazing comeback, I'm definitely not his biggest fan but I think he could bring stability and optimism, and if it's the same candidates running as before then I cannot see what they'd bring above Boris.
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You have to laugh, I mean seriously! He has 50 publicly declared nominations already!
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The confidence oozing out of him as he glides down that rugged driveway almost effortlessly, not even glancing an eye on the many mugs within his care. Fkng Chad.
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What use is optimism? Optimism doesn't pay rent or a mortgage, you can't pay your bills with optimism. It's just a riff on 'BELIEVE IN BRITAIN' which is what kicked this whole sorry saga off with Brexit.
I don't think Johnson will stand anyway, if nothing else he has a keen eye for self-preservation, I can't imagine him wanting to come back to what will essentially be a dead-cert losing ticket, plus there's far more mileage (and money!) in him playing the gallant loser card, unfairly ousted having Got Brexit Done and Got The Vaccines Done. (Both nonsense but to a master of bullshit like him he can write the history he wants, especially against the backdrop of the Tory party exploding once he left.)
I also don't think there's enough support amongst Tory MPs, there's already talk of resignations and MPs triggering by-elections if he stands, it's hard to overstate how fucked off a lot in the party are with him.
This is the other problem now, there is no 'Tory Party' as it stands, just several different factions sat loosely under the same banner, all wanting to rip each other's throats out at the first opportunity.
I could be wrong of course, the Tory party is so certifiably insane at this point it could very well do anything - but if I had to make a prediction I'd say we'll have Sunak as PM by next Friday, probably keeping Hunt as Chancellor and with Mordaunt in a senior role.
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Agree with much of what you say, and maybe his policies, by and large, were seemingly the right approach, but his execution and delivery were poor, on many levels.
Oh yes, Churchill was supposedly a spoilt brat. And of course, he wouldn't stand a chance today. Unless, he used his backbone and determination for the right cause, i.e. radical change of the corrupt system we have today.
My disdain towards Boris is not really focused on him but more a widespread view of the lot of them. And if Labour are not ready after 12 years, perhaps they should disband and try something different
Some would say 'better the devil you know', but as you know I am quite brutal in my assessment and simply think that Boris is not fit to be a leader of a country, but then again, none of the Tory candidates are in my book.
Through all the jobs I have had in my life I am merited on my performance. Failing to perform means losing a job, but not for these charlatans, they are untouchable and unaccountable.
I would like to see Labour have a go. if they fail, then on to the next one. I just can't see the point in having Boris back. It's unbelievable, and I am sure the Old Boys Club will be smoking cigars, drinking whisky whilst checking their assets and investments, and having a good old laugh at how accepting and whipped the British public is.
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He was a disaster on every level, we need to get away from this revisionist nonsense that he 'got the big calls right'.
His Brexit was a bungled rush job that's still hurting the UK every single day, unless your bar for success is literally just that the UK isn't in the EU any longer, then yes he 'got it done', but on every other level it was a slipshod case of just chuck something out of the door and leave other people to sweep up the mess - as is becoming increasingly clear with every passing day, even to the meanest of Brexity intellects.
On Covid and the vaccines the UK has ended up somewhere around the bottom half of the table when compared with other similar countries, in terms of vaccination coverage, excess deaths, long Covid, economic damage etc. Covid also acted as a convenient shield for a lot of the economic damage Brexit caused, and is still causing.
On Ukraine he just did what any UK leader would have done, (well, maybe not Saint Jeremy), certainly you couldn't squeeze a fag paper between his position and Starmer's.
But fine, have him back, if you think he can carry the Tories to a general election victory then have at it, he'll be as much of a disaster zone as he was first time around, but my suspicion is that like all the best charlatans and conmen, he knows a sticky wicket when he sees one, and the Tory party at the moment is on a very, very sticky wicket.
I don't really see how the Tories can turn this around in two years whoever is at the helm, their absolute best chance is to get someone half-decent like Sunak in as PM, he surrounds himself with sane, competent, more moderate Tories (those that remain), he also fucks off loonies like Rees-Mogg to the back benches, and tries to at least present a veneer of decent government between now and the next election.
The fundamental problem is though that they're not going to be able to grow the economy whilst we're outside the Single Market and Customs Union, but they can't even remotely start to go there or the party will disintegrate. *
Inflation is likely to stay stubbornly high, interest rates are going to be up around the 5-6% mark which means mortgages at around 7-8% which will be ruinous for many, and the 4-5% GDP that's on the table right in front of them can't be picked up because it will destroy them.
Truss has shredded their reputation for economic confidence (which is largely a myth anyway, but it was very useful to them), on every metric they're polling terribly, not to put too fine a point it, the pooch has been well and truly fucked.
* Labour has some of the same problem here, but they do at least have an economic plan to borrow for investment, which the markets are quite happy with. Government debt is as solid as it gets, and if Labour says they're going to borrow a shit-ton of money to invest in green energy, which they are doing, then the markets like that because they get to sell us tens of billions pounds worth of wind and solar kit. They didn't like Truss's batshit plan to borrow money to give it to the rich, because the rich just squirrel it all away or buy houses with it, which isn't economically productive.
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In fact, very timely, this has just popped up on my Twitter timeline, a very useful guide to 'winner' Johnson.
Bet yeah like I say, by all means have him back, really lock in that Labour victory at the next general election.
Bet yeah like I say, by all means have him back, really lock in that Labour victory at the next general election.
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Another Labour pervert resigns from St. Kier's party:
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Still a long way to go before we get to Tory-esque scandal though
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Barring an act of god, there is no way the Tories will be elected with a majority at the next election,they will probably hang
on until then, so its a matter of finding the least incompetant leader to see them through,if Boris behaves he probably is the only
choice, he has the experience and the ability to lead the country through the shitty times ahead,hes not perfect by any means
but I still say he got the big things right,the covid parties and other stuff was irritating but not important.
Just do a bit of research on former pm,s non of them were squeaky clean, Blair was no more that a self serving, lying c**t,
Other countries would have hung him as a war criminal
on until then, so its a matter of finding the least incompetant leader to see them through,if Boris behaves he probably is the only
choice, he has the experience and the ability to lead the country through the shitty times ahead,hes not perfect by any means
but I still say he got the big things right,the covid parties and other stuff was irritating but not important.
Just do a bit of research on former pm,s non of them were squeaky clean, Blair was no more that a self serving, lying c**t,
Other countries would have hung him as a war criminal
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Cant say im personally invested in what happens in the UK, but i think its quite possible that a lot of people that followed the rules, people that were denied seeing loved ones before they died etc would think of it as a bit more than just 'irritating' to see the leaders that implemented the rules completely ignoring them.
Personally i really dislike when politicians do the old 'Do as i say, not as i do'.
Happens way too frequently, and imo there should be zero tolerance for that kind of bullshit.
Personally i really dislike when politicians do the old 'Do as i say, not as i do'.
Happens way too frequently, and imo there should be zero tolerance for that kind of bullshit.
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I couldnt visit my wife in hospital for the last 2 weeks of her life.On the day she died I got a call to go there
but was too late,awful as it was I understand why they had to prevent visitors, it was at the peak of the epidemic and patients
were dropping like flies.
Boris,s antics were stupid and unthinking but meant nothing to me,the hospitals were doing the right thing.
Just hope hes grown up a bit.
but was too late,awful as it was I understand why they had to prevent visitors, it was at the peak of the epidemic and patients
were dropping like flies.
Boris,s antics were stupid and unthinking but meant nothing to me,the hospitals were doing the right thing.
Just hope hes grown up a bit.
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Fixed that for you
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That may be your view on this shadow, and that's fine, and I am sorry you lost your wife in the way you did, that's terrible.
Many other people feel very differently about Johnson and his Partygate antics though, the issue is absolutely toxic with large chunks of the electorate, and not just with people who lost loved ones whilst he was partying away in Downing Street. It cuts through to that British sense of fair play, that those who make the rules should abide by the rules.
Rumours are swirling this morning that Johnson might have a go at the leadership after all*, I still can't see it myself, but since this whole government and indeed the Tory party as a whole is like some sort of demented fever dream at the moment, who can say?.....
* Now that he's finished his holiday in the Caribbean, despite the fact parliament was not in recess so he should have been at fucking work. And this is the workshy chancer some people want back as Prime Minister? Sheesh.....
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Corbum was the man who avoided a single day's work in 50+ years of his adult life.
Don't worry, there will be desperate horsetrading behind the scenes to make sure Johnson fails to get 100 votes, because if he does you know who the 160,000 NF-BNP-NA-C18-pensioner-racists will vote for, a shoo-in. So it will be fixed to be between the Penny Dreadful and the Su-nake Charmer.
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Corbyn was in the Commons last week, contributing to debates and doing his job as an actual constituency MP, something that Johnson is famously adverse to.
Being an MP is a job, it's work, and Corbyn's record as a dedicated constituency MP is beyond question.
When we undermine the work good MPs do (of any political flavour), we undermine the fabric of our democracy.
And it is not without its risks either, as we saw with the terrible murder of David Amess, an excellent Tory constituency MP, and of course the murder of Jo Cox.
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Thought the flying back on economy was bit lame, spose he is trying to show the electorate hes just an ordinary chap.
The sense of fair play and resentment dont really come in to it,the general public will have no say on who is elected, we need
to wait till 2025 for that.It will be decieded on party self interest and self preservation as usual.
Still think he is the best hope we have to sort out the mess Lizz and co left us in.
Wish I had backed him at 20/1 when i suggested he was worth a punt,may not win but certainly would have got the value
The sense of fair play and resentment dont really come in to it,the general public will have no say on who is elected, we need
to wait till 2025 for that.It will be decieded on party self interest and self preservation as usual.
Still think he is the best hope we have to sort out the mess Lizz and co left us in.
Wish I had backed him at 20/1 when i suggested he was worth a punt,may not win but certainly would have got the value
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No one's more surprised than me to see Raab say something sensible, but he's absolutely right on this.
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Latest polling puts the Tories on 19% (!) and also shows Keir Starmer outperforming all the three possible replacements for Truss.
As you can see from the numbers below, Johnson is the most popular of the three, albeit not by much, and still trailing badly behind Starmer.
Anyone who thinks Johnson will re-energise the Tories' chances at the next election needs to give their head a wobble.
The public are just fed up with the endless psychodrama of the Tory party now, they've had enough, even Mrs Chopley's mum and dad, who are both 'perfect Conservatives' in many regards, think they're an absolute shower of irredeemable clowns, playing with the UK's future like a dog plays with a toy.
As you can see from the numbers below, Johnson is the most popular of the three, albeit not by much, and still trailing badly behind Starmer.
Anyone who thinks Johnson will re-energise the Tories' chances at the next election needs to give their head a wobble.
The public are just fed up with the endless psychodrama of the Tory party now, they've had enough, even Mrs Chopley's mum and dad, who are both 'perfect Conservatives' in many regards, think they're an absolute shower of irredeemable clowns, playing with the UK's future like a dog plays with a toy.
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This is the one of the other (many) problems with Johnson, he was turfed out by his own party only four months ago. So we've now got, for example, Jonathan Gullis, a man who looks like a husband appealing for information about his wife's whereabouts when he knows she's buried underneath the patio, saying it's time to BRING BACK BORIS.
This is the letter of no-confidence he sent in Johnson. In July. 2022. Four and a half months ago.
Winter of discontent though, eh, eh? AMIRITE OR WHAT.
And here he is saying he'd support him becoming Prime Minister again.
CORBUM THOUGH EH? FLABBOT LOL!
BLIAR!
This is the letter of no-confidence he sent in Johnson. In July. 2022. Four and a half months ago.
Winter of discontent though, eh, eh? AMIRITE OR WHAT.
And here he is saying he'd support him becoming Prime Minister again.
CORBUM THOUGH EH? FLABBOT LOL!
BLIAR!
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Lost my Nan at the start of the pandemic and then missed her funeral due to the restrictions.
All thanks to Covid, Boris and the Tory party.
It's unbelievable to me that we have a UK society happy to put its trust in big pharma whilst being content to see energy companies build on record profits year after year and accept policies made for the rich get richer, without wanting or recognising we need radical change.
I think the majority of the British public is weak with no backbone.
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I think people forget that we have 2 years to a general election and as we have seen recently many different scenarios can arise quickly, positive and negative. Hopefully we will be in a better situation with the economy by then, due to our glorious leader Mr BJ?
Btw I have written to BJ to make casinos have a mandatory 98% RTP.
I am Sure even the most die hard reds/Commies on here will then vote for BJ? Cough cough Chopley
Btw I have written to BJ to make casinos have a mandatory 98% RTP.
I am Sure even the most die hard reds/Commies on here will then vote for BJ? Cough cough Chopley
And as Conservatives keep uttering, we need stability. 2 problems with that, we are in Chaos purely because of their own fault nothing to do with the public, 2nd point would you really look to get some stability from a place of chaos?
As for the glorious leader part, do remember this is the current government that has allowed the UKGC to inact some of the most poisonous, idiotic red tape policies that has completely and probably irreversibly destroy the UK online gambling market and put a lot of steps in place to make it impossible to spunk your last £20 on Bonanza.
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I lost track of the parties' story, there was a met police inquiry and someone called sue iirc did a report as well. A party for me is when people have gone home or already there, dress up a bit and then head somewhere - a venue or perhaps a house party. These sounded more like after works drinks in the same place of work, the garden party thing, they were out in the fresh air.
Wrong in the circumstances of fairly draconian rules for everyone, the other thing is why did it take a year for the story to leak, there was a degree of timing and opportunism, and then other much less popular politicians than Boris fought to get the top seat, felt wrong. I think a bit of market confidence and uk standing was lost there, that was the start. [the loss of stability]
Boris made a lot of promises re brexit and the future, won a huge majority in the general election incl heartland Labour seats, he needs a chance to actually deliver on some of it.
Wrong in the circumstances of fairly draconian rules for everyone, the other thing is why did it take a year for the story to leak, there was a degree of timing and opportunism, and then other much less popular politicians than Boris fought to get the top seat, felt wrong. I think a bit of market confidence and uk standing was lost there, that was the start. [the loss of stability]
Boris made a lot of promises re brexit and the future, won a huge majority in the general election incl heartland Labour seats, he needs a chance to actually deliver on some of it.
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But that's not how the law works mack, it doesn't function on the basis of what we think it means. Try getting pissed up and crashing your car into something, and then say to the police that's not what you understand drinking and driving to mean.
Johnson broke the law, he was fined for it, and arguably he got off very lightly considering the small fine handed down, and the fact he could almost certainly have been done for a load of more of his illegal gatherings. Thousands of folks up and down the UK were given very harsh penalties for breaking the rules, Johnson wasn't above the law, the laws that he helped to enact and then broke.
No one can deliver on 'the promises of Brexit', because it's shit, it doesn't matter if Johnson is in 10 Downing Street or the good Lord himself. Labour are being dishonest about it too of course, but I appreciate they need to tread carefully because the Tories will weaponize it again the first chance they get, and Farage is always looking for a reason to crawl out from under his rock and start stirring shit again.
The Labour heartlands will go red again at the next election, that's inevitable at this point, there is literally nothing the Tories can do to stop it now.
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I go to kidsgrove occasionally. Some right proper head cases in that town. Seems to have its own dress code too. Also has quite possibly the shittest, smallest arcade I've ever been in in 35 years. Wasn't asked for it, and I'm sure nobody cares, but, yeah.. just thought I'd give a quick review.
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I bet those labour heartlands, that voted boris, still have labour local authorities, which would affect what tories can do in those areas, but it was proof the Labour party have lost touch with what lots of their constituents actually want. Many have woken up to their party's fixation with identity politics [tories have been moving that way too, sadly] reverse discrimination etc..
Wasn't Carrie behind arranging a birthday party for Boris as well. But I'd be surprised if most can say, hand on heart, they followed every lockdown rule to the letter, no unnecessary journeys etc... obviously some rules had more logic behind them than others.
It's all perspective and proportionality, and no one likes a blatant hypocrite in charge, but what about Sunak's wife being nom-dom, is that really acceptable for a british PM, it's another hypocrisy imo.
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Nice to see uber-stan and unemployable Nadine Dorries get positively giddy at the prospect of Boris' return, announcing the 'boss' is back.
I mean the guy died a hundred times, but the only thing he's going back to is bronze
I mean the guy died a hundred times, but the only thing he's going back to is bronze
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She's clearly looking forward to another dose of Johnson's 'famous British spunk' (I mean that in the stiff upper lip, can-do sort of spirit way, not the other kind of spunk), and perhaps a return to the cabinet.
This one. Definitely this one.
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Didn't the SuNAKE also break Covid rules?
Or perhaps @ChopleyIOM likes the way China deals with ex-leaders getting a bit too uppity:
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So going by the projected pledges of allegiance, and current tallies, Sunak's actually still ahead of Johnson, which makes one wonder why he'd concede and just hand the keys to his rival.
Word on the street's that they're hashing out a compromise, almost a throwback to the 'money tree' economics days, and Boris driving through carefully staged Brexit walls in his forklift truck/ dodgem hybrid. Yet if indeed true, why would Johnson be PM, when Sunak has the support of the MPs, certainly for the longevity of the Conservatives?
That is, unless Johnson were to become Chancellor, and wheeled out as a mouth-piece sidekick as we near the next GE?
Word on the street's that they're hashing out a compromise, almost a throwback to the 'money tree' economics days, and Boris driving through carefully staged Brexit walls in his forklift truck/ dodgem hybrid. Yet if indeed true, why would Johnson be PM, when Sunak has the support of the MPs, certainly for the longevity of the Conservatives?
That is, unless Johnson were to become Chancellor, and wheeled out as a mouth-piece sidekick as we near the next GE?
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I hope you're not insinuating she's had a taste of Boris' homegrown pork sausage...and wants a second serving
