UK 500 Jackpot Machines paying over £500?

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Just watching a couple of YouTube videos from arcade streamers playing B3 Novomatic machine like Lucky Lady's Charm.

When bonus is achieved they pay £30 "Super credit" instead of 15 FS and the credit has to be played off at a X3 multiplier. Each super credit game appears to be being passed off as an individual spin, consequently with retriggers it is possible to win well over £500 from the bonus. One guy mentioned he had seen over £1300 from it.

Looks like the industry has another "innovation" (or workaround) along the lines of red bags. Interesting stuff.
 
I could see this one getting shot down pretty quickly...

As much distain as there is for the red bags pre-gamble, pre-gambles (5.13 in the B3 technical standards) have been a thing for decades (back into the AWP era). It's pretty obvious they're designed to support £50 ultra spins by the back door, but fundamentally they are compliant because they follow the (existing) rules on pre-gambles.

This one is more curious, because they're trying to use a secondary currency as a way to circumvent the game link rules (5.14)...

  • If you can't get "super credit" by any other means, then it's obviously a linked spin - which falls foul of 5.14
  • The spins are not "forced" because you can collect the £30 - although I expect that to be a torch.
  • If they did offer such a mechanism
    • The spins are valued fairly (e.g. £1.90-£2.00), in which case it's just an alternative game (and may be legal) which means the spins are going to be pretty uninspiring for a bonus.
    • The spins are not valued fairly, and the pre-gamble will expose the true value of the spins (e.g. a 50% chance at a 190% RTP spin = 95% RTP), which either breaches the £2 rule, or the linked spin rule.
It looks like they may be trying to force the hand for increased jackpots (feels like the push for £1000 FOBTs has been a thing for a few years now) - although given some of the market is going the other way (e.g. £200+repeat jackpots, within the same spin) there's possibly not as much appetite as they think.
 
Thanks for the analysis Jason. The spins are not valued fairly, they pay out at X3 over the base game.
Given Novomatic are an old school provider, that was the conclusion I came to - I was thinking around £5-6 a spin. If the retriggers aren't multiplied by 3 (i.e. still 15fs, rather than 3 x £30) then it'll be the lower end of that.

If this was one of the newer providers, I could absolutely believe them offering "3x pays" on a different reel set that pays 1/3 the wins...

It seems like a slippery slope... what's to stop a provider offering a "£2 super credit" for an additional jackpot... I really can't see how this is legal under the current technical standards unless the fair value of the super spin is £2 or less.
 
Just to add an example screenshot (this one from OnABucket):
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The re-declaration of being a category B3 game suggests they are trying to do it as two games - e.g. one with 95% RTP, one with 250% RTP... but if you can't get the super credit through any other avenue then it's clearly linked spins.
 

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