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Not sure when you made your withdrawal request, but as in their T&C:s says in your first message, when 3k threshold is reached, they will carry additional checks. Relevant AML department might not be working on weekends and can have quite few accounts to check on their table. Giving exact timeframe from CS is mission impossible as they can't be aware about workload other department have and there also investigating one account activity where is something dodgy, can take more time and escalations and as somebody mentioned earlier, if they by any mean have any reason to suspect anything fraudulent, AML issues etc... They are not allowed to tip suspected person about their process and possible reporting.

Pretty sure that you get all sorted quite shortly if there is nothing suspicious on your account, no any idea about their methods or working hours, but these checks could include but not limited to: Deposit methods (if using anonymous methods like Paysafe), Your gameplay (if playing very low risk bets just to get deposit wagered and withdraw right after that), Your wagering of deposits (again, if deposit is made with Paysafe, pre-paid card etc.... and not fully or just once wagered there is red flag), Your country of origin (some countries are categorized to be higher risk than others).

Based what you stated and your amounts of deposits before you got some luck, there should not be nothing to worry about, they are by their own T&C:s obligated to carry more enhanced due diligence and risk assessment to your account which in many companies are carried by relevant department only which can take some time. I would just give them little bit it and wait it to be done and if they request any additional documentation, provide it.

If you have deposit 7,5k in relatively short time period and lost it, there would be question to ask why they didn't request you anything then in a name of RG as it's significant amount of money for average working people to spend on gambling. But these checks they are doing now seem to be based purely to AML and they just have to make risk assessment and document it to your account that is done and what were their findings. Based on information available, there should be no any reason you wouldn't get paid.
 
Shouldn’t AML come into it if a player is depositing abnormally large amounts though? Prevention being better than cure, nip it in the bud at root source etc.

Sure, my bad, was typing with mobile faster than thinking :( Surely AML/Fraud/RG all involved in such a deposits within short period should trigger AML/RG and most probably end up to SOW. 7,5k is probably easily over average earnings in most of countries, so some action should have been taken already and not only refer to withdrawal trigger rule.
 
Yes but if someone is depositing way more than what’s considered normal if RG/SOW etc is being taken seriously then that’s the time to step in surely.

From the RG side of things if the player is unlucky they could lose an enormous amount before they manage a withdrawal with those kind of deposits.
 
A large deposit and withdrawing half of that is still a win to a criminal. The 4.5k lost is dirty money. The 3k withdrawal is legitimate funds.
 
So how does depositing 7.5K then having a win and withdrawing 3k to the same source as the deposit finance terrorism or be money laundering in any possible way. Its all BS these terrorism and ML claims

I always wonder if it would be easier to launder it through Land Based anyhow - group loan it to gamblers, take to casino, cash out, repay loaned money etc - massive risk asking for gamblers to win and cash out though;)
 
I always wonder if it would be easier to launder it through Land Based anyhow - group loan it to gamblers, take to casino, cash out, repay loaned money etc - massive risk asking for gamblers to win and cash out though;)
That sir is what happens in a certain establishment in Belfast close to the village and heavily used by the Chinese community.
 
Ok shouldn’t anybody depositing that amount of money have their account verified to the highest level from the beginning.

No, because it's in the best interest of the casino, instead of the other way around. You understand?

Simular as being banned from casino's in the USA (landbased). You could still enter, play, spend money, but if they catch you on for example a handpay, they wont pay you out. In the interest of the casino, not the player.

It's bullshit anyway that you are able to signup to any casino you want, dump in loads of cash, and they only start to ask questions the moment you try to withdrawl. And THEN there are all of a sudden issues lol.

It should be the other way around; signup > account verification > 24 hours > accepted voila you can play no questions asked. Any professional landbased has a age verification at the door as well. You need to register yourself and show some ID. What's wrong with that model on a online business?

Nothing; but it's against the interest of the online casino's.
 
No, because it's in the best interest of the casino, instead of the other way around. You understand?

Simular as being banned from casino's in the USA (landbased). You could still enter, play, spend money, but if they catch you on for example a handpay, they wont pay you out. In the interest of the casino, not the player.

It's bullshit anyway that you are able to signup to any casino you want, dump in loads of cash, and they only start to ask questions the moment you try to withdrawl. And THEN there are all of a sudden issues lol.

It should be the other way around; signup > account verification > 24 hours > accepted voila you can play no questions asked. Any professional landbased has a age verification at the door as well. You need to register yourself and show some ID. What's wrong with that model on a online business?

Nothing; but it's against the interest of the online casino's.

This x10000. Let’s not all pretend these “investigations” by casinos aren’t just ways to keep you away from your money for as long as possible.
 
So how does depositing 7.5K then having a win and withdrawing 3k to the same source as the deposit finance terrorism or be money laundering in any possible way. Its all BS these terrorism and ML claims


Also just for the record, the withdrawal at this point is 18,000€. It only says 3,000€ because that’s the max you can request to neteller per transaction.
 
This x10000. Let’s not all pretend these “investigations” by casinos aren’t just ways to keep you away from your money for as long as possible.

All of them have the most beautiful story's on their website about problem gambling, but none of them is ever to be seen in for example this forum "Quit Gambling" with offering any help to those who might need it. Someone asking to have it's account removed and puts himself on a global ban website is still sneaking in and able to play thousands before ever being noticed. All of them offer a variety of online slots that are based and selected of majority a high TOD time after a huge amount of tests and collection of big data / spin numbers. The bonusses being thrown are there to keep you playing longer and longer (i.e 35x wagering rules) on where someone who could not have that weakness to become addicted, eventually still become addicted.



Could you imagine that they could make a pigeon in certain ways a gambling addict? Well there you have it. The reward vs the amount of times the pigeon needs to press something. That's basicly in a nutshell on why slots are so addictive by nature. And the new breed of games, where enourmous samples of big data on avg player behaviour where taken and is put back in new algorithms is almost criminal the way they could inflict a serious playing / gambling problem. It's presented in marketing like it's the coolest thing todo. Spend 20$ and win money.

The harsh reality is is that it will suck you in up to the point if you dont know and spit you out completely with nothing. I was a VIP once and they where so nice to me week in week out; untill they learned that i was moving to a country where they did'nt had any licensing going on and boom, that was it. Not that i valued anything out of that heeling-licking VIP stuff; but it surely shows the intention of the online casino industry where you are a lemon and their goal is to extract as much as possible from you as a player.

I have'nt played for a while and i really like it for not doing it. There's so much better things to get enjoyment from instead of just hopeless gambling.
 
Going on two weeks and no answer from them despite repeated attempts to contact them for an update.

I reached out to their rep here and he said he cannot discuss and I need to contact them. They don’t respond! It’s just a game of making me frustrated but I will not log in and play anything until they start withdrawing something so I know they are legitimate
 
I know people have continued to say to just wait. But I’m getting tired of waiting without any update. I’ve reached out to the TonyBet rep and he’s trying to assist me, but is there anything else I can do? Im very upset by the way this has been handled considering they claimed I was fully verified until I won and then there were problems that they won’t specificy. And to you all saying I deposit 7500 and want to deposit 3k that’s not what has transpired.

I deposited 7500€ and legitimately won 10x my balance and would now like to withdraw my winnings. I don’t know why depositing should be so easy, but once I want to withdraw any money there are so many problems. TonyBet could at the very least give me some update.

@TonyBet_rep please help me with an update as I have over an 70,000€ balance and for you to just ignore me is not fair and not professional. My deposit at least should be refunded. Please assist me.
 
I know people have continued to say to just wait. But I’m getting tired of waiting without any update. I’ve reached out to the TonyBet rep and he’s trying to assist me, but is there anything else I can do? Im very upset by the way this has been handled considering they claimed I was fully verified until I won and then there were problems that they won’t specificy. And to you all saying I deposit 7500 and want to deposit 3k that’s not what has transpired.

I deposited 7500€ and legitimately won 10x my balance and would now like to withdraw my winnings. I don’t know why depositing should be so easy, but once I want to withdraw any money there are so many problems. TonyBet could at the very least give me some update.

@TonyBet_rep please help me with an update as I have over an 70,000€ balance and for you to just ignore me is not fair and not professional. My deposit at least should be refunded. Please assist me.

Can you PAB?
 
I know people have continued to say to just wait. But I’m getting tired of waiting without any update. I’ve reached out to the TonyBet rep and he’s trying to assist me, but is there anything else I can do? Im very upset by the way this has been handled considering they claimed I was fully verified until I won and then there were problems that they won’t specificy. And to you all saying I deposit 7500 and want to deposit 3k that’s not what has transpired.

I deposited 7500€ and legitimately won 10x my balance and would now like to withdraw my winnings. I don’t know why depositing should be so easy, but once I want to withdraw any money there are so many problems. TonyBet could at the very least give me some update.

@TonyBet_rep please help me with an update as I have over an 70,000€ balance and for you to just ignore me is not fair and not professional. My deposit at least should be refunded. Please assist me.
If they aren't responding and it's been over 2 weeks, perhaps consider opening a PAB? There's no way 2 weeks is a reasonable time frame.
 
They just sent me this after me posting and not getting any responses: “
Thank you for your e-mail.

Kindly informing, that there are no additional documents needed from you side.

Please accept our apologies that investigation took so long, but it takes time to check all system records.

Investigation was initiated due your payment method Paysafecard and that you were not able to provide your deposit proof.

We will confirm your withdrawal as soon as investigation is finished.

Meanwhile your patience is highly appreciated.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any questions.”

My neteller wasn’t ready. They don’t take german bank or german credit card, so I followed their directions of getting paysafecards at my local grocery stores of 1200€. The rest of the money was deposited from my bank via neteller
 
I'm afraid there is not much you can to speed up their process. 75k€ is quite a big amount and their specific team most probably have to go through all your account information, payment and game transactions etc... Using Paysafe or other anonymous payment methods is always making transactions to be higher risk as the origin of funds is impossible to see right away.

You might be asked to proof your source of income what you used to buy Paysafe cards or some additional details. These investigations can take some time depending what everything they need to make sure there is no any suspicious transactions they need proof etc.... Usually, casinos have quite small very specific teams to go these through and dig out all information they can get, no any idea this operators practices but they most probably can't give you exact timeframe and if they have any reason to suspect anything fraudulent etc... in money you have deposited with anonymous payment methods, they are not allowed to tip you about their investigations and what they are dealing for (if they are addressing it to MLRO to investigate and possibly reporting it somewhere depending what are their findings).

No really idea about this particular group and their practices but when there is significant amount of money and anonymous payment methods it usually flagging something and if reviewed by senior staff, they usually don't work weekends.
 
I'm afraid there is not much you can to speed up their process. 75k€ is quite a big amount and their specific team most probably have to go through all your account information, payment and game transactions etc... Using Paysafe or other anonymous payment methods is always making transactions to be higher risk as the origin of funds is impossible to see right away.

You might be asked to proof your source of income what you used to buy Paysafe cards or some additional details. These investigations can take some time depending what everything they need to make sure there is no any suspicious transactions they need proof etc.... Usually, casinos have quite small very specific teams to go these through and dig out all information they can get, no any idea this operators practices but they most probably can't give you exact timeframe and if they have any reason to suspect anything fraudulent etc... in money you have deposited with anonymous payment methods, they are not allowed to tip you about their investigations and what they are dealing for (if they are addressing it to MLRO to investigate and possibly reporting it somewhere depending what are their findings).

No really idea about this particular group and their practices but when there is significant amount of money and anonymous payment methods it usually flagging something and if reviewed by senior staff, they usually don't work weekends.

I understand, and respect the KYC process. I understand these are large sums of money, and they do have to do their due diligence in checking me. That’s fine with me, and part of the process. I’ve fully cooperated and given them everything they have asked for.

But I think at the very least if this process is going to take three weeks or more, they could at the very least return my deposit. There’s no reason not to return my deposit. I mean frankly they should probably also release my deposit plus a small amount of winnings especially since it’s been two weeks. But the smallest thing should be a return of my deposit money immediately.

Also it’s fair to say in my opinion they are not in any hurry to finish this so-called “investigation.” I mean, I have a respectable job, I live in an apartment. I have no criminal record. Not even so much as a parking ticket. I’m not married. I don’t exactly live a James Bond lifestyle. There really isn’t that much about me to find. Why should this take a month or longer?

So sure, we can all respect this process, but I think there comes a point where you have to say this is not acting fairly.
 

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