Tinfoil hat incoming.

[RedPhase]

I recently found out one could enquire about payout stats from online casinos based on continents, so I thought I would ask someone competent in that field, and low and behold, casino earnings have sky-rocketed and payouts plummeted.

We are talking roughly 820ish percent down from last year and 300ish up in revenue. Now I am not one to speculate, but I thought I would put it out there, considering I have read tons of threads on multiple forums, regarding the seemingly odd trend of more and more slots, not "performing" as they used to.

Perhaps...there is a pattern? I dont know, I cant say, tinfoil hat comes off now and I wish you the very best of luck out there gamblers united.

Let me know if you want to hear my story about the app that we made recently, scouring for exploitive odds. It was a project for school and turned out well, but its usability is not for public consumption, so in the name of science so to speak.

 

[Jono777]

I recently found out one could enquire about payout stats from online casinos based on continents, so I thought I would ask someone competent in that field, and low and behold, casino earnings have sky-rocketed and payouts plummeted.

We are talking roughly 820ish percent down from last year and 300ish up in revenue. Now I am not one to speculate, but I thought I would put it out there, considering I have read tons of threads on multiple forums, regarding the seemingly odd trend of more and more slots, not "performing" as they used to.

Perhaps...there is a pattern? I dont know, I cant say, tinfoil hat comes off now and I wish you the very best of luck out there gamblers united.

Let me know if you want to hear my story about the app that we made recently, scouring for exploitive odds. It was a project for school and turned out well, but its usability is not for public consumption, so in the name of science so to speak.

Would explain a lot and slots get more and more rigged by the day but I do find that very hard to believe.

No casino would declare any of their financial information to 3rd parties or public, no way.

 

[geordiecolin]

I recently found out one could enquire about payout stats from online casinos based on continents, so I thought I would ask someone competent in that field, and low and behold, casino earnings have sky-rocketed and payouts plummeted.

We are talking roughly 820ish percent down from last year and 300ish up in revenue. Now I am not one to speculate, but I thought I would put it out there, considering I have read tons of threads on multiple forums, regarding the seemingly odd trend of more and more slots, not "performing" as they used to.

Perhaps...there is a pattern? I dont know, I cant say, tinfoil hat comes off now and I wish you the very best of luck out there gamblers united.

Let me know if you want to hear my story about the app that we made recently, scouring for exploitive odds. It was a project for school and turned out well, but its usability is not for public consumption, so in the name of science so to speak.

Do you have any stats or links ?

 

[RedPhase]

Would explain a lot and slots get more and more rigged by the day but I do find that very hard to believe.

No casino would declare any of their financial information to 3rd parties or public, no way.

They all abiding by the same fiscal rules and are subject to revision, at least in Europe. You are free to look it up yourself. Start with Gibraltar, Malta and dubai

 

[Reelsoffun]

Well it wouldn't surprise me if it was a little true, due to the recent trend of extreme volatility, bonus buy and the new abundance of slots with lots of locked / stored value, which is often abandoned forever.

 

[RedPhase]

Do you have any stats or links ?

PM me and I'll share the name and phone number of the person, who dilligently and legally acquired the information.

 

[lockinlove]

Not performing as they used to has a lot to do with casinos lowering their rtp. Most casinos and games are now allowed to lower the rtp in 80's and lower 90's.

The only slot provider I feel like they have actually went inside and changed the math on is microgaming. Not just the rtp...the entire math model. None of them play like they used to.

 

[DreamRJ]

PM me and I'll share the name and phone number of the person, who dilligently and legally acquired the information.

Not cool sharing other peoples personal details without getting permission from them to do so first.

Secondly, your here selling your new app? that is the reason for this thread correct?

A word of advice if you are here to share such information, then share it. Do not fool people, we are not stupid.

The reason why you are not sharing the data is because you are here for other motives and to get people to use your new app, let me guess they have to pay to use it too?

Freedom of information act means data is in the public domain for free!

 

[RedPhase]

Not cool sharing other peoples personal details without getting permission from them to do so first.

Secondly, your here selling your new app? that is the reason for this thread correct?

Not cool to assume either. I've got permission and no I'm not selling an app, I even stated it wasn't for public use, I merely offered to talk about the project if anyone wanted to learn about the flaws in algorithms used by all providers and how and why we decided to test the math.

 

[DreamRJ]

Not cool to assume either. I've got permission and no I'm not selling an app, I even stated it wasn't for public use, I merely offered to talk about the project if anyone wanted to learn about the flaws in algorithms used by all providers and how and why we decided to test the math.

So share the data then. Simple!

 

[RedPhase]

So share the data then. Simple!

 

[RedPhase]

If I can Google, then so can you. AGA offers commercial gaming revenues tracking on their website for the US as do other continents. If you want more indepth then feel free to contact the person I'm referring to, as he has all the data acquired and collectively put together in spreadsheets. Those weren't shared with me, I only got the conclusive notes.

 

[DreamRJ]

I honestly could not care less, Gambling is for entertainment purposes, I am not denying that the slots are worse now than they used to be either. But there is nothing anyone can do about it. So why even bother looking for or complaining about it and finding things out to meet your agenda?

Who is going to act? Will they change the slots back to what they used to be? NO! Every casino is now doing cuts cuts cuts,, lowering RTP etc just so they can get more and more profits. The more customers that quit a certain casino then they do even more drastic cuts or lower RTP even further to try to limit their lack of customers.

 

[RedPhase]

I honestly could not care less, Gambling is for entertainment purposes, I am not denying that the slots are worse now than they used to be either. But there is nothing anyone can do about it. So why even bother looking for or complaining about it and finding things out to meet your agenda?

Who is going to act? Will they change the slots back to what they used to be? NO! Every casino is now doing cuts cuts cuts,, lowering RTP etc just so they can get more and more profits. The more customers that quit a certain casino then they do even more drastic cuts or lower RTP even further to try to limit their lack of customers.

I think you are misunderstanding this thread completely and you also strike me as very agitated for reasons I can't fathom.

Firstly this thread stands on its own merits, following forum guidelines and is not an expressed opinion, but a relay of something evidential and facutality.

Second off all, I didn't intend this thread to be a personal exchange with you, and it would lead nowhere, considering you've wrongly accused me, twice now, of both having an agenda and offering to share personal information without consent.

I appreciate your stance on the matter in general, you are free to voice your opinion, but you are not contributing anything and offer neither me or the thread anything but mistrust, and insult, in an accusatory tone.

So kindly reconsider your approach to me at least, or expect me to not comply with courteous rebuttals, and simply ignore future replies from you. - it feels like you are deliberately detailing the thread to make a point of your own, instead of just taking it for what it is, a share point on a topic that I took to heart after reading about all the grievances lately of slots feeling altered or changed in some way.

 

[electronictonic]

Played for 20 years and I would say around 2010 - 2017 you had low varience - medium - high that acted more accordingly and you could get hours of playtime from a single deposit by hitting the low to medium and building it up, now every slot seems to play like high variance I would say more than 95% of the time I am x50 bet down after 5 minutes, then x100 bet down after 10 minutes, the speed at which all slots destroy the balance in the last 3 years I have not seen the likes of in 20 years of online slotting it's shocking.

 

[jasonuk]

Firstly this thread stands on its own merits, following forum guidelines and is not an expressed opinion, but a relay of something evidential and facutality.

Just a reminder this is the same contributor that started Reporting Microgaming? - Casinomeister Forum nearly 18 months ago, then disappeared without providing any evidence. Sure enough, to date this thread has no evidence either...


House edges as a whole have increased by two factors - lower RTPs (94%, 92%, or WH down at 88%) and stored value slot designs.

Player experiences have changed because people have substituted medium and high variance slots for ultra-high variance slots. Instead of playing a 75+21% slot, they are now playing a (e.g.) 28+60+6% slot... and worse those bonuses are also top-heavy - so run bad on bonus frequency, or run bad on bonuses... and you're going to have a bad time very quickly.

Additionally, the removal of bonus offers further impacts playtime - because those losses are now coming out of your pocket rather than the bonus pot.

Sure enough, if you still play the older games at their original RTP you can still get the same experience - bonus funds and HTML5 blunders aside.

(edit: added reference to bonus funds, corrected new RTP to 94%)

 

[RedPhase]

Just a reminder this is the same contributor that started Reporting Microgaming? - Casinomeister Forum nearly 18 months ago, then disappeared without providing any evidence. Sure enough, to date this thread has no evidence either...


House edges as a whole have increased by two factors - lower RTPs (94%, 92%, or WH down at 88%) and stored value slot designs.

Player experiences have changed because people have substituted medium and high variance slots for ultra-high variance slots. Instead of playing a 75+21% slot, they are now playing a (e.g.) 30+60+6% slot... and worse those bonuses are also top-heavy - so run bad on bonus frequency, or run bad on bonuses... and you're going to have a bad time very quickly.

Sure enough, if you still play the older games at their original RTP you can still get the same experience - HTML5 blunders aside.

Reporting Microgaming? - Page 3 - Casinomeister Forum

Thank you for your input, I also updated via response to that thread last night, stating that I had to put myself and own interests first, after being approached by a casino, that I had contact with, assisted by a laawyer who was tasked with presenting them a claim for refunds.

I told the casino of my intent to disclose their sheenanigans and attached the data from all those spins, while also referencing an anonymous source, former employee and developer.

The answer was that rtp was upheld across all former playsessions on my account and that pursuing this would be considered slander and thus necessitate a counter suit.

When I pleaded my case yet again, saying there were multiple instances of clear statistical anomalies, they didnt address it and maintained that there is nothing wrong with their software.

The week after, at which point I was about to conduct the interview with my source, the person had a change of heart and told me it wasnt worth pursuing and that a job opportunity had presented itself so the person could no longer contribute to my project with integrity.

 

[DreamRJ]

Reporting Microgaming? - Page 3 - Casinomeister Forum

Thank you for your input, I also updated via response to that thread last night, stating that I had to put myself and own interests first, after being approached by a casino, that I had contact with, assisted by a laawyer who was tasked with presenting them a claim for refunds.

I told the casino of my intent to disclose their sheenanigans and attached the data from all those spins, while also referencing an anonymous source, former employee and developer.

The answer was that rtp was upheld across all former playsessions on my account and that pursuing this would be considered slander and thus necessitate a counter suit.

When I pleaded my case yet again, saying there were multiple instances of clear statistical anomalies, they didnt address it and maintained that there is nothing wrong with their software.

The week after, at which point I was about to conduct the interview with my source, the person had a change of heart and told me it wasnt worth pursuing and that a job opportunity had presented itself so the person could no longer contribute to my project with integrity.

I can not continue reading any more of your posts. If you can not afford to gamble then stop, That shows us all what you are here to do, it is all about you getting refunds of all your losses correct?

Hence why lack of evidence etc and also your avoidance tactics. So I am putting you on ignore now, I am sorry that you have a vendetta against all slots and casinos. These rant threads and posts trying to be smart and articulate is not going to wash with the more experienced members. I wish you good luck.

 

[RedPhase]

bad on bonus frequency, or run bad on bonuses... and you're going to have a bad time very q

I can not continue reading any more of your posts. If you can not afford to gamble then stop, That shows us all what you are here to do, it is all about you getting refunds of all your losses correct?

Hence why lack of evidence etc and also your avoidance tactics. So I am putting you on ignore now, I am sorry that you have a vendetta against all slots and casinos. These rant threads and posts trying to be smart and articulate is not going to wash with the more experienced members. I wish you good luck.

I am not actively gambling...What is your issue?