Think slots are rigged? Read this first...

[johnnybagel]

Does true random even exist?

And I can understand tracemonkeys frustrations. Debate is good, opinions are good (generally), but what probably gets his goat is that quite a few on here question how slots work, rngs, whether something is rigged. They get an answer they don’t like and then often quote something as fact which clearly cannot be backed up.

If I believe something to be true I possibly will always believe it, sometimes in the face of conpelling evidence to the contrary. It’s especially easy to do this with slots. I personally stop short at saying things like “clearly the gamble wheel on Extra Chilli is rigged” as if it were some sort of indisputable fact. Even if I do think that way I certainly wouldn’t repeat it every week which seems to happen quite a bit.

That said, some manufacturers and casinos are certainly doing good jobs of shooting themselves in the foot in respect of player confidence.

This is spot on in my opinion. Lots of 'feelings' given as facts. One person's experience of a slot will not be the same as another's just like when people think if they haven't seen or experienced something themselves then it isn't happening.

 

[Fredos386]

I won't make a long post i know most people here hate me with passion because i say the opposite of what they say and i already said what i had to say about slots even tho i figured much more since. Let's talk about roulette, all roulette use magnet and rng/script. The script give numbers in a cycle made to rip people sticking to same numbers or doing martyngale giving mathematically impossible streak of events. But even though i proved it myself countless time, there's a big whale named hahahahaha that did us all the favor to demonstrate it by placing huge bets on the entire board except 27 and 29 on vip roulette. For 20 spins the 27 and 29 landed 18 times out of 20, 27 27 27 29 29 27 27 5 27 27 29 29 29 . etc. Then he told us goodbye and right after it went on as usual and 27 and 29 were not seen for like ever. Also i realized quick that if you win big on roulette the system compensate on slots as the more i won on roulette the more i ripped on slots making me have to return to roulette more and more till roulette kills me. Then return slots later and they all normal or happy since all the roulette money is gone. Finally slots are not random, the system nerf everything and rip players for a time to then give a big win at some point very often when the player stopped depositing/playing so that it makes the player return. It goes in a cycle that is just plain impossible to miss. But i know people love to believe but well that's how it is. Casinos just don't take chances. Even though it's said they don't need to rig, they still do because true random slots would mean they have a chance, even if minimal to see a player come deposit 20$ and bankrupt them. Also the good side of intentionally ripping the player is that players usually dont quit on a big win, but they dont on a big rip so if the player never returns to collect his big win then they just get to keep it. Also each spin independant bla bla, tell me why a game like domnitors give 20-100 dead spins right before each big win to create artificial action and 9/10 your last spin gives you a scatter in front to give hope. It's so not random that when my balance crash to 0 i dont bother but the second it gives a bonus tease with 1-3$ balance i know it's over. The system controls our results keeping our losses like a "bank" meaning if you play 40p bet all year long if you go 5-10$ bet you will simply rip because you don't have enough in your "bank" to get a payout. Then if you rip and lower back your bet then your bank is overloaded for your usual bet size so you hit like mofo. That's why everytime you hit huge once or in a day or two, the following is just plain rip all over the place. So the system is not random but controled. It means you can't win much and everytime you do you will get nuked on the other hand it gives you some kind of safety net meaning everytime you rip too much when you return later after a small pause you will hit back. But one thing for sure if you lose a lot and keep depositing the system will just keep it all nuked and eat everything it can and will payback your rtp when you return to create magical thinking. Also you can have steady 70% rtp on most slots then you will have a bonus or a hit that will payback the entire rtp so on the finance sheet you will have your rtp but oops all on the same slot/event. Try paying attention to your deposit/withdrawal history, keep graphs of your runs and you will see. Try winning big on roulette and see after how the losts behave. So with a system like that a player that is down a lot that go take a big loan and do huge bets will 99.9% of the time get rekt to pieces and be gone. That's why casinos absolutely refuse to let people know how system really work because it's their bread and butter.

 

[Kroffe]

I won't make a long post i know most people here hate me with passion because i say the opposite of what they say and i already said what i had to say about slots even tho i figured much more since. Let's talk about roulette, all roulette use magnet and rng/script. The script give numbers in a cycle made to rip people sticking to same numbers or doing martyngale giving mathematically impossible streak of events. But even though i proved it myself countless time, there's a big whale named hahahahaha that did us all the favor to demonstrate it by placing huge bets on the entire board except 27 and 29 on vip roulette. For 20 spins the 27 and 29 landed 18 times out of 20, 27 27 27 29 29 27 27 5 27 27 29 29 29 . etc. Then he told us goodbye and right after it went on as usual and 27 and 29 were not seen for like ever. Also i realized quick that if you win big on roulette the system compensate on slots as the more i won on roulette the more i ripped on slots making me have to return to roulette more and more till roulette kills me. Then return slots later and they all normal or happy since all the roulette money is gone. Finally slots are not random, the system nerf everything and rip players for a time to then give a big win at some point very often when the player stopped depositing/playing so that it makes the player return. It goes in a cycle that is just plain impossible to miss. But i know people love to believe but well that's how it is. Casinos just don't take chances. Even though it's said they don't need to rig, they still do because true random slots would mean they have a chance, even if minimal to see a player come deposit 20$ and bankrupt them. Also the good side of intentionally ripping the player is that players usually dont quit on a big win, but they dont on a big rip so if the player never returns to collect his big win then they just get to keep it. Also each spin independant bla bla, tell me why a game like domnitors give 20-100 dead spins right before each big win to create artificial action and 9/10 your last spin gives you a scatter in front to give hope. It's so not random that when my balance crash to 0 i dont bother but the second it gives a bonus tease with 1-3$ balance i know it's over. The system controls our results keeping our losses like a "bank" meaning if you play 40p bet all year long if you go 5-10$ bet you will simply rip because you don't have enough in your "bank" to get a payout. Then if you rip and lower back your bet then your bank is overloaded for your usual bet size so you hit like mofo. That's why everytime you hit huge once or in a day or two, the following is just plain rip all over the place. So the system is not random but controled. It means you can't win much and everytime you do you will get nuked on the other hand it gives you some kind of safety net meaning everytime you rip too much when you return later after a small pause you will hit back. But one thing for sure if you lose a lot and keep depositing the system will just keep it all nuked and eat everything it can and will payback your rtp when you return to create magical thinking. Also you can have steady 70% rtp on most slots then you will have a bonus or a hit that will payback the entire rtp so on the finance sheet you will have your rtp but oops all on the same slot/event. Try paying attention to your deposit/withdrawal history, keep graphs of your runs and you will see. Try winning big on roulette and see after how the losts behave. So with a system like that a player that is down a lot that go take a big loan and do huge bets will 99.9% of the time get rekt to pieces and be gone. That's why casinos absolutely refuse to let people know how system really work because it's their bread and butter.

Could you link the video showing the whale getting 27&29 18 times out of 20?
Or maybe upload the graphs you have of your runs where you win big on roulette and then slots behave weird.

What you say does not ring true to me, but im willing to be disproved.

 

[paul7388]

Ok call me dumb. I just about managed to read some of the post.

But if someone was betting huge on every number but 27 and 29 to demonstrate it is rigged and the ball would always land on those 2 numbers and it happened in 18 out of 20 spins.

Then surely if you were watching you would have bet 27 and 29 and cleaned up

 

[shadow123]

Think you have to be very naive to think that all the thousands of available games are 100% straight,there will be games with
covert compensation ( easy way round doing the complicated maths required to achieve a desired trtp), just looking
your RTP at VS will show how some high volitility games get very close to target very fast, that is not down to maths.
I used to design arcade and bingo slots, all of which were heavily compensated,so I know what compensation feels
like and I feel it to a degree in some of the online slots.Say what you like,I do know what I am talking about and that is
my firm opinion.

 

[snorky510238]

I won't make a long post i know most people here hate me with passion because i say the opposite of what they say and i already said what i had to say about slots even tho i figured much more since. Let's talk about roulette, all roulette use magnet and rng/script. The script give numbers in a cycle made to rip people sticking to same numbers or doing martyngale giving mathematically impossible streak of events. But even though i proved it myself countless time, there's a big whale named hahahahaha that did us all the favor to demonstrate it by placing huge bets on the entire board except 27 and 29 on vip roulette. For 20 spins the 27 and 29 landed 18 times out of 20, 27 27 27 29 29 27 27 5 27 27 29 29 29 . etc. Then he told us goodbye and right after it went on as usual and 27 and 29 were not seen for like ever. Also i realized quick that if you win big on roulette the system compensate on slots as the more i won on roulette the more i ripped on slots making me have to return to roulette more and more till roulette kills me. Then return slots later and they all normal or happy since all the roulette money is gone. Finally slots are not random, the system nerf everything and rip players for a time to then give a big win at some point very often when the player stopped depositing/playing so that it makes the player return. It goes in a cycle that is just plain impossible to miss. But i know people love to believe but well that's how it is. Casinos just don't take chances. Even though it's said they don't need to rig, they still do because true random slots would mean they have a chance, even if minimal to see a player come deposit 20$ and bankrupt them. Also the good side of intentionally ripping the player is that players usually dont quit on a big win, but they dont on a big rip so if the player never returns to collect his big win then they just get to keep it. Also each spin independant bla bla, tell me why a game like domnitors give 20-100 dead spins right before each big win to create artificial action and 9/10 your last spin gives you a scatter in front to give hope. It's so not random that when my balance crash to 0 i dont bother but the second it gives a bonus tease with 1-3$ balance i know it's over. The system controls our results keeping our losses like a "bank" meaning if you play 40p bet all year long if you go 5-10$ bet you will simply rip because you don't have enough in your "bank" to get a payout. Then if you rip and lower back your bet then your bank is overloaded for your usual bet size so you hit like mofo. That's why everytime you hit huge once or in a day or two, the following is just plain rip all over the place. So the system is not random but controled. It means you can't win much and everytime you do you will get nuked on the other hand it gives you some kind of safety net meaning everytime you rip too much when you return later after a small pause you will hit back. But one thing for sure if you lose a lot and keep depositing the system will just keep it all nuked and eat everything it can and will payback your rtp when you return to create magical thinking. Also you can have steady 70% rtp on most slots then you will have a bonus or a hit that will payback the entire rtp so on the finance sheet you will have your rtp but oops all on the same slot/event. Try paying attention to your deposit/withdrawal history, keep graphs of your runs and you will see. Try winning big on roulette and see after how the losts behave. So with a system like that a player that is down a lot that go take a big loan and do huge bets will 99.9% of the time get rekt to pieces and be gone. That's why casinos absolutely refuse to let people know how system really work because it's their bread and butter.

I hope nobody on the forum hates you. It would certainly be hard to justify hating someone you have never met just because they write things you don’t agree with.

I can make a lot connections with your post. I played FOBTS for years and without question they play like they are compensated ABSOLUTELY no question. It was obvious with the slots but categorically unmissable with roulette.

The giveaway was someone betting £100 on red black. It just wasn’t well programmed enough to disguise the blatant rip. I play live at land based casinos and very rarely do you see 12+ red or black in row yet if FOBT roulette wasn’t ready to pay these patterns would become normal.

On the flip side when it was ready to pay you would see people covering say 4 numbers hitting 16 times out of 20 and their numbers trebling up. Which is possible but not with the regularity that I witnessed,

With online games paying out a higher percentage it is harder to detect and maybe not noticeable to the untrained eye but I have to say I see striking similarities.

What I have learnt is how “RANDOM” (ahem) slots work. The fact so much is allowed to be changed within a game without having to tell the player certainly explains for me why it could feel compensated without having to be labelled as such.

There is however I feel some other factor involved, quite how it’s done I don’t know and maybe on that 1 I am wrong but years of experience and study tell me different.

 

[Guntis]

I won't make a long post i know most people here hate me with passion because i say the opposite of what they say and i already said what i had to say about slots even tho i figured much more since. Let's talk about roulette, all roulette use magnet and rng/script. The script give numbers in a cycle made to rip people sticking to same numbers or doing martyngale giving mathematically impossible streak of events. But even though i proved it myself countless time, there's a big whale named hahahahaha that did us all the favor to demonstrate it by placing huge bets on the entire board except 27 and 29 on vip roulette. For 20 spins the 27 and 29 landed 18 times out of 20, 27 27 27 29 29 27 27 5 27 27 29 29 29 . etc. Then he told us goodbye and right after it went on as usual and 27 and 29 were not seen for like ever. Also i realized quick that if you win big on roulette the system compensate on slots as the more i won on roulette the more i ripped on slots making me have to return to roulette more and more till roulette kills me. Then return slots later and they all normal or happy since all the roulette money is gone. Finally slots are not random, the system nerf everything and rip players for a time to then give a big win at some point very often when the player stopped depositing/playing so that it makes the player return. It goes in a cycle that is just plain impossible to miss. But i know people love to believe but well that's how it is. Casinos just don't take chances. Even though it's said they don't need to rig, they still do because true random slots would mean they have a chance, even if minimal to see a player come deposit 20$ and bankrupt them. Also the good side of intentionally ripping the player is that players usually dont quit on a big win, but they dont on a big rip so if the player never returns to collect his big win then they just get to keep it. Also each spin independant bla bla, tell me why a game like domnitors give 20-100 dead spins right before each big win to create artificial action and 9/10 your last spin gives you a scatter in front to give hope. It's so not random that when my balance crash to 0 i dont bother but the second it gives a bonus tease with 1-3$ balance i know it's over. The system controls our results keeping our losses like a "bank" meaning if you play 40p bet all year long if you go 5-10$ bet you will simply rip because you don't have enough in your "bank" to get a payout. Then if you rip and lower back your bet then your bank is overloaded for your usual bet size so you hit like mofo. That's why everytime you hit huge once or in a day or two, the following is just plain rip all over the place. So the system is not random but controled. It means you can't win much and everytime you do you will get nuked on the other hand it gives you some kind of safety net meaning everytime you rip too much when you return later after a small pause you will hit back. But one thing for sure if you lose a lot and keep depositing the system will just keep it all nuked and eat everything it can and will payback your rtp when you return to create magical thinking. Also you can have steady 70% rtp on most slots then you will have a bonus or a hit that will payback the entire rtp so on the finance sheet you will have your rtp but oops all on the same slot/event. Try paying attention to your deposit/withdrawal history, keep graphs of your runs and you will see. Try winning big on roulette and see after how the losts behave. So with a system like that a player that is down a lot that go take a big loan and do huge bets will 99.9% of the time get rekt to pieces and be gone. That's why casinos absolutely refuse to let people know how system really work because it's their bread and butter.

Just friendly advice!

I won't make a long post

... Friendly advice! Next time can you please split such big blocks of texts into smaller ones by using space bar so readers know where your idea starts and where finishes. Also, it makes much easier to read it. Example is below

I won't make a long post I know most people here hate me with passion because I say the opposite of what they say and I already said what I had to say about slots even tho I figured much more since.

Let's talk about roulette, all roulette use magnet and rng/script. The script gives numbers in a cycle made to rip people sticking to same numbers or doing martingale giving mathematically impossible streak of events.

But even though I proved it myself countless time, there's a big whale named hahahahaha that did us all the favour to demonstrate it by placing huge bets on the entire board except 27 and 29 on VIP roulette.

For 20 spins the 27 and 29 landed 18 times out of 20, 27 27 27 29 29 27 27 5 27 27 29 29 29 . etc. Then he told us goodbye and right after it went on as usual and 27 and 29 were not seen for like ever. Also, I realized quickly that if you win big on roulette the system compensates on slots as the more I won on roulette the more I ripped on slots making me have to return to roulette more and more till roulette kills me. Then return slots later and they all normal or happy since all the roulette money is gone.

Finally, slots are not random, the system nerfs everything and rips players for a time to then give a big win at some point very often when the player stopped depositing/playing so that it makes the player return. It goes in a cycle that is just plain impossible to miss. But I know people love to believe but well that's how it is. Casinos just don't take chances. Even though it's said they don't need to rig, they still do because true random slots would mean they have a chance, even if minimal to see a player come deposit 20$ and bankrupt them. Also, the good side of intentionally ripping the player is that players usually don't quit on a big win, but they don't on a big rip so if the player never returns to collect his big win then they just get to keep it.

Also, each spin independent blah blah, tell me why a game like dominators give 20-100 dead spins right before each big win to create artificial action and 9/10 your last spin gives you a scatter in front to give hope. It's so not random that when my balance crash to 0 I don't bother but the second it gives a bonus tease with the 1-3$ balance I know it's over. The system controls our results keeping our losses like a "bank" meaning if you play 40p bet all year long if you go 5-10$ bet you will simply rip because you don't have enough in your "bank" to get a payout. Then if you rip and lower back your bet then your bank is overloaded for your usual bet size so you hit like mofo. That's why every time you hit huge once or in a day or two, the following is just plain rip all over the place. So the system is not random but controlled.

It means you can't win much and every time you do you will get nuked on the other hand it gives you some kind of safety net meaning every time you rip too much when you return later after a small pause you will hit back. But one thing for sure if you lose a lot and keep depositing the system will just keep it all nuked and eat everything it can and will pay back your RTP when you return to create magical thinking.

Also, you can have steady 70% RTP on most slots then you will have a bonus or a hit that will pay back the entire RTP so on the finance sheet you will have your RTP but oops all on the same slot/event. Try paying attention to your deposit/withdrawal history, keep graphs of your runs and you will see. Try winning big on roulette and see after how the costs behave. So with a system like that a player that is down a lot that goes take a big loan and do huge bets will 99.9% of the time get rekt to pieces and be gone. That's why casinos absolutely refuse to let people know how the system really works because it's their bread and butter.

 

[Fredos386]

My conclusion after playing way too much is that raw play is nerfed and money is collected to a certain level we can't predict (some kind of randomness here woot) and then used to give a huge run. Like 2 weeks ago i tilted and ran 2 days 90 cents bet on slots that literally never paid and i lost 2k. I took a little break, returned with daily reload and won 1.8k.. looking at my history there this thing happened in cycle. Everytime i ripped life raw then later i would get hit huge by a bonus (therefor kind of figuring out why casino bonus ban some players).

When it comes to roulette when there's a whale betting or more than one, the magnet becomes more than obvious like that 27 29 run the ball would literally land on a number then get lifted up and go the other side of the wheel. When bets are equally distributed it looks pretty standard but when someone start betting huge then omg you can't miss it. After that 27 29 run i went back to lightning roulette and suddenly the magnet and all seemed pretty smooth and i laughed thinking about it. But from what ive learned roulettes run on a rng that calculate bets and pick a number in a way that the rtp is followed meaning if you have a dozen people betting 1$ and you come in and bet 100$ on a row. You will not win, 100% of the time you won't except if a big player just ripped on that bet and you're next. It will rip you 1-2-3 times then when enough is collected, give it. But when i got rekt doing big bet and see magnet remove the ball from my numbers, following that the slots would suddenly turn very happy to compensate. So when i win big on roulette, slots are dead, when i rip slots are happy hehe. My entire point here is not that it's not paying, they do or i'd be bankrupt long ago.

My issue is that the product is advertised as random, every spin is independant and have equal chances to hit. The answer is no, when you are massively up you don't have same chances as when you are massively down. If the product was advertised for what it is, nobody would have ever heard of me complaining same way if a slot is advertised as 72% rtp, if i go play it and rip i will be the only one to blame for playing it in the first place. I figured long ago slots were not random just like wagers are not. What i mean is a bonus wager is like a scratch ticket. When you deposit and get a bonus you are given are scripted run. A bit like if at every step (%) of the wager the providers were given a target balance. So no matter what you play the providers are given a line to follow and give you spins to go with it. When i figured that it helped me so much lol cauz i stopped hitting my head for each time i ripped a big balance. On the other hand now i search bonuses because it's mostly the only way to have a chance to hit a script that will give you hours of fun and hits when you hit a lucky one while raw you never run hot for hours ever. When it comes to roulette, i never really liked it but thought maybe if i hit some big bets once in a while it could save me some redeposits . But quickly i realized the more i'd hit the worst slots would become but it was just doubts till i see on videoslots that i had 233% rtp on roulette but my overall rtp was still about the same as before but all my slots rtp had crashed down in flames. That's when i understood what was going on. Then i pushed and did more and more roulette to see and the days i was running smoking hot on roulette i would lose easily 2000x my bet size on slots per day. I could run a low variance slot and watch dead spins for hours always returning to roulette to recover to then rip even more meaning it was just a matter of time before i get rekt. Then i realize i was really killing myself as the casino income is the share of wager that is not returned and by doing these big bets on roulette and wagering so much dead spins i was paying a ton for a complete garbage run lol. So ya now i know that if i want to play roulette, do big bets and win big then it means i just can't return to slots.. but i play slots for fun, i hate roulette and i am not in casinos looking for fortune and fame as everything i win is used for redeposit.

What makes me rage so much is when i realize i lost to a system that controled and made sure i didnt win and then my big run on slots was the return of that. When i realized my friend that had taken a huge loan to do huge bets and got rekt had no chance from the start. I still play all the time, but now i know what to expect. It's just different, now when i hit huge on the moment im happy and celebrate but then right after i start downing thinking "oh now that means i will rip everywhere till i lost that back .. " and yep that's exactly what happens.

I'm not forcing anyone to believe me word for word, i just share my experience and results. I suggest if you are curious to simply test it by yourself but usually i'm just told "no i dont believe you and won't test it" then what can i do. But if you are ripping hard on a site, dont give up too quickly... If you hit huge on a site that you like then move around a little and go dump a bullet here and there to slowly rebuild your ratio and go for it all once you think you have done enough. On that good luck and have fun.

 

[Fredos386]

Just friendly advice!


... Friendly advice! Next time can you please split such big blocks of texts into smaller ones by using space bar so readers know where your idea starts and where finishes. Also, it makes much easier to read it. Example is below

I won't make a long post I know most people here hate me with passion because I say the opposite of what they say and I already said what I had to say about slots even tho I figured much more since.

Let's talk about roulette, all roulette use magnet and rng/script. The script gives numbers in a cycle made to rip people sticking to same numbers or doing martingale giving mathematically impossible streak of events.

But even though I proved it myself countless time, there's a big whale named hahahahaha that did us all the favour to demonstrate it by placing huge bets on the entire board except 27 and 29 on VIP roulette.

For 20 spins the 27 and 29 landed 18 times out of 20, 27 27 27 29 29 27 27 5 27 27 29 29 29 . etc. Then he told us goodbye and right after it went on as usual and 27 and 29 were not seen for like ever. Also, I realized quickly that if you win big on roulette the system compensates on slots as the more I won on roulette the more I ripped on slots making me have to return to roulette more and more till roulette kills me. Then return slots later and they all normal or happy since all the roulette money is gone.

Finally, slots are not random, the system nerfs everything and rips players for a time to then give a big win at some point very often when the player stopped depositing/playing so that it makes the player return. It goes in a cycle that is just plain impossible to miss. But I know people love to believe but well that's how it is. Casinos just don't take chances. Even though it's said they don't need to rig, they still do because true random slots would mean they have a chance, even if minimal to see a player come deposit 20$ and bankrupt them. Also, the good side of intentionally ripping the player is that players usually don't quit on a big win, but they don't on a big rip so if the player never returns to collect his big win then they just get to keep it.

Also, each spin independent blah blah, tell me why a game like dominators give 20-100 dead spins right before each big win to create artificial action and 9/10 your last spin gives you a scatter in front to give hope. It's so not random that when my balance crash to 0 I don't bother but the second it gives a bonus tease with the 1-3$ balance I know it's over. The system controls our results keeping our losses like a "bank" meaning if you play 40p bet all year long if you go 5-10$ bet you will simply rip because you don't have enough in your "bank" to get a payout. Then if you rip and lower back your bet then your bank is overloaded for your usual bet size so you hit like mofo. That's why every time you hit huge once or in a day or two, the following is just plain rip all over the place. So the system is not random but controlled.

It means you can't win much and every time you do you will get nuked on the other hand it gives you some kind of safety net meaning every time you rip too much when you return later after a small pause you will hit back. But one thing for sure if you lose a lot and keep depositing the system will just keep it all nuked and eat everything it can and will pay back your RTP when you return to create magical thinking.

Also, you can have steady 70% RTP on most slots then you will have a bonus or a hit that will pay back the entire RTP so on the finance sheet you will have your RTP but oops all on the same slot/event. Try paying attention to your deposit/withdrawal history, keep graphs of your runs and you will see. Try winning big on roulette and see after how the costs behave. So with a system like that a player that is down a lot that goes take a big loan and do huge bets will 99.9% of the time get rekt to pieces and be gone. That's why casinos absolutely refuse to let people know how the system really works because it's their bread and butter.

alright noted

 

[paul7388]

Got to ask.

Why would people hate either of you.

Some people might think you are barking mad. Others might totally agree with what you say.

Some might think oh no not again. Other's might think at last someone that see's it the way it is and actually says it.


But i see no reason why anyone would either hate or even dislike you.

I have one or two that hate me but there is a reason for that. But anyway carry on and be assured that noone will hate you just for having an opinion.

 

[Fredos386]

Ok call me dumb. I just about managed to read some of the post.

But if someone was betting huge on every number but 27 and 29 to demonstrate it is rigged and the ball would always land on those 2 numbers and it happened in 18 out of 20 spins.

Then surely if you were watching you would have bet 27 and 29 and cleaned up

I wish but i was waiting for deposit to come in from interac and it was delayed so i was just sitting and watching lol. But few days later on lightning roulette i caught another whale or more betting (you know people that bet like 2/3 of the board hoping to hit a multi) and the few numbers they were not betting on especially my favorite 5 landed about 20 times in 50 spins and i got all of them making thousands from small deposit. I wish i had bet more but was worried it might end and i just lose what i had won and also didnt know if betting more would just make it land less hehe but it was something ;D.

 

[Fredos386]

Got to ask.

Why would people hate either of you.

Some people might think you are barking mad. Others might totally agree with what you say.

Some might think oh no not again. Other's might think at last someone that see's it the way it is and actually says it.


But i see no reason why anyone would either hate or even dislike you.

I have one or two that hate me but there is a reason for that. But anyway carry on and be assured that noone will hate you just for having an opinion.

well if you saw the replies i had in the past you would understand why i said that . Especially replies from casino staff or affiliates trying hard to discredit me all they can to protect their business to the point i started adding a note on some of my posts saying i dont read replies from casino staff and affiliates lmao. I usually post them ya because im angry but nowadays it's more so that people can read and have it in mind in the future if they think about taking a loan for big bets or go do big bets on roulette etc. Might save some people and even some lives as we all know some people take loans get rekt and.. so yeah if it was an issue with farmville not giving my crops i wouldnt spend time on forums writing but often some tend to forget that gambling is real and the money is real and the consequences are real and i don't like how casinos make everything they can to hide these facts hoping people do exactly that. Of course not all casinos are the same but i never had any casinos ask me if im alright after depositing 30 times in a row lol. Past few days i lost the thousands i had won on roulette and some more ripping on slots nerfed to all hell and i was regularly asking cashback or free spins because it was unbelievable how rip everything was and was really disappointed to see the casino was tired of me and my requests... i was down 7k in a day and they were tired of giving me free spins that wager 4%... that's when i thought maybe i wasnt at the right place lol. That way some casinos have to act like you owe them, you lose hundreds, thousands and you ask a freebie and they look at you like you deposited 5$ and expect something. Like to them 1000$ is worth a big mac. But heh they also have problems as affiliates fees, providers fees, bank fees... so many fees and things to pay way too many people try to get rich from the players trying to have fun on slots.

Simply look at netent and others worth billions from making a few slots a year, it's completly ridiculous and out of hand. Companies making video games will spend hundreds of millions in a project to make the same money a provider make to create a simple.. slot. And these greedy people are part of the reason why casinos have it so hard and have to make it hard for us. But i said enough already lol.

 

[nikantw]

I don't thing slots are rigged, only that they take any opportunity to make you think that you have better chance that what you actually have.

On the other hand I have less and less faith on the tournaments and prize drawings. Are there any actual tests that make sure any tournament out there (old MG, VS battles, Pragmatic......) was/is fair at all times?

On last CR prize draw, both biggest prizes are won by the same person!!

 

[Fredos386]

I don't thing slots are rigged, only that they take any opportunity to make you think that you have better chance that what you actually have.

On the other hand I have less and less faith on the tournaments and prize drawings. Are there any actual tests that make sure any tournament out there (old MG, VS battles, Pragmatic......) was/is fair at all times?

On last CR prize draw, both biggest prizes are won by the same person!!

Well i always wondered why streamers with special deals and happy days rtp account were allowed to chase and win races on casumo... That said of course sometimes some really feel like something is wrong and honestly nobody really verify it.

 

[Fredos386]

Could you link the video showing the whale getting 27&29 18 times out of 20?
Or maybe upload the graphs you have of your runs where you win big on roulette and then slots behave weird.

What you say does not ring true to me, but im willing to be disproved.

You know i could be wrong, but then why casinos ban me for "smart play" like N1 casino and others? hihi. I'm so wrong that when they figure out that i'm doing what it requires to avoid their traps i get banned hehe. When you receive an email from a casino saying you are doing "smart play" meaning you are playing in a way to optimize your results long term and to them it's considered cheating it's quite funny as they control the slots not me. They just set traps but avoiding them or at least trying doesnt make me a cheater it just means at best i get what im supposed to get and that's it. Knowing how it works doesnt give one better rtp or edge on the casino, they control everything it's impossible... all i can do is try my best not to get worst results than i should due to one of their trap. But sometimes it's just funny, one casino syndicate i won first deposit bonus and ripped the 2-3-4 so went back in and bet on roulette on a row for 3x that would give me back losses of 2-3-4.. i won. Cashed out... they banned me

 

[Kroffe]

You know i could be wrong, but then why casinos ban me for "smart play" like N1 casino and others? hihi. I'm so wrong that when they figure out that i'm doing what it requires to avoid their traps i get banned hehe. When you receive an email from a casino saying you are doing "smart play" meaning you are playing in a way to optimize your results long term and to them it's considered cheating it's quite funny as they control the slots not me. They just set traps but avoiding them or at least trying doesnt make me a cheater it just means at best i get what im supposed to get and that's it. Knowing how it works doesnt give one better rtp or edge on the casino, they control everything it's impossible... all i can do is try my best not to get worst results than i should due to one of their trap. But sometimes it's just funny, one casino syndicate i won first deposit bonus and ripped the 2-3-4 so went back in and bet on roulette on a row for 3x that would give me back losses of 2-3-4.. i won. Cashed out... they banned me

Oh, so theres no video or graphs showing anything that you claimed in your first post?
What i find most strange is why you would even play in the first place if you are so sure everything is rigged like you say.

 

[paul7388]

Oh, so theres no video or graphs showing anything that you claimed in your first post?
What i find most strange is why you would even play in the first place if you are so sure everything is rigged like you say.

It is like Bonanza. It takes over your mind and you just can't stop playing even tho you know you are going to get shafted.

 

[Kroffe]

It is like Bonanza. It takes over your mind and you just can't stop playing even tho you know you are going to get shafted.

Now this i can believe!

 

[paul7388]

Now this i can believe!

These slots and games are full of subliminal messages. You do not even know subconsciously they have took over your mind.

I hear Disney films done it as well. And look at you now you have difficulty knowing if you are Kroffe or Pooh Bear

 

[DeidreB]

How about managing by errors... nothing happening here...

 

[DeidreB]

Or another one, same error...

 

[DeidreB]

I was playing at The Grand Ivy yesterday, hit a bonus round on The Finer Reels of Life, immediately got closed down by the Management Counsel, this is not a coincidence but a trend I have seen recently. However at some casinos where Casino VIP is offered to silver and above, they changed the function of the game to not allow the reels to be stopped when the Casino VIP icon appears ( which is the trigger for free spins )

 

[DeidreB]

The finer reels of life, I have been closed down repeatedly during a bonus round...stinks if you ask me In addition, a random generated game would not allow exceptional play one day and total loss the following a win, it just doesn't work that way. While playing with bonus funds, I have been in a position where the bonus rounds are off the charts, once the bonus has been satisfied in terms of wagering requirements, the bonus rounds stop, retract even. I believe the management console has an influencing configuration ability, additionally the agreements between game providers and casino impact this further. After months of playing I am convinced there is an influencing behavior here, I looked at buying some casino software and there is a win level configuration ability...

 

[DeidreB]

I do not think its rigged but I think slot providers and casinos playing with our visual and acoustic systems. Two Scatter teases, even if the third is not coming in some slots the sound is near/or it is the same as when you would have gotten 3 scatters (Best example is the provider thunderkick you has probably a master exam on this one).

Then the reel appearance shows you often that you was just a little bit away from winning big, the bonus wheels or any function never displaying the real odds. When you lose 10 times in a row at Extra Chilli in the first gamble, you think that you will win 9 times in a row in another session. This is what you expect, but the odds are not that clear that you will ever win at the gamble. If you lose 1000 times the first gamble (never happened) would you consider it is rigged or is it still random? Because the word random can be used in many situations and for nearly any circumstance.

Therefore the "feeling" a person has is not that wrong. The games are not showing the real odds (they do tell you the RTP but that is all), I mean this visually and not the description in the game rules or in the paytable. Of course, it feels rigged when always 1-2 symbols missing for the big win, but this is how many slot providers designing their slots. Most people who blame the casinos wasted way too much money and tried to force something that they can not influence, I totally can understand these people - but they need to reduce/stop playing when they want not to go crazy and end in the streets.

(I am not good in English, but I tried my best to make it readable)

The near miss, it keeps people playing and believing their time is soon, not so...its preying on an expected behavior..

 

[Bloatgoat]

I just dont understand one thing man, it's related to acceptance of bonus money. You have a 35 ~ 39x wager requirement and all that. Here's the thing. When i refuse the bonus and play with real money, it's hard to 'overcome' my initial deposit 8 out of 10 times. When i accept the bonus money, wins, bonusses, it's all over the place. Obviously, it's wagering me and like offering me more playtime for my money.

But usually, when you hit a certain threshold, the same fun is over quickly, and it's a downward spiral, no matter the game or tactic you maintain. If games are supposed to be random, then why is it always hitting big and fancy while playing with bonus money?

Play long enough and you know what i'm talking about. The 35x minimum is a difficult thing to swallow as well. It takes some time to play it out well. I never understood the wagering requirement, did you ever see a landbased offering you bonus money with a wagering requirement? It's just more odds for the house.

 

[feelthejoy]

When i accept the bonus money, wins, bonuses, it's all over the place.

Absolutely, quite a stark contrast too I say!

 

[TheAddict]

I just dont understand one thing man, it's related to acceptance of bonus money. You have a 35 ~ 39x wager requirement and all that. Here's the thing. When i refuse the bonus and play with real money, it's hard to 'overcome' my initial deposit 8 out of 10 times. When i accept the bonus money, wins, bonusses, it's all over the place. Obviously, it's wagering me and like offering me more playtime for my money.

But usually, when you hit a certain threshold, the same fun is over quickly, and it's a downward spiral, no matter the game or tactic you maintain. If games are supposed to be random, then why is it always hitting big and fancy while playing with bonus money?

Play long enough and you know what i'm talking about. The 35x minimum is a difficult thing to swallow as well. It takes some time to play it out well. I never understood the wagering requirement, did you ever see a landbased offering you bonus money with a wagering requirement? It's just more odds for the house.

While they are not so common online anymoe, the bonuses, the slots are running as high as 97% . I don't think you'd get land based casinos all offering decent sized reloads with little to no wagering requirements and then setting the slots to 95-97% . Everybody would be waiting around until the next casino offers them a 100% on 500 bucks , then driving to it

 

[Bloatgoat]

That does'nt answer my initial question. If slots are random, then how big is the odd that playing on bonus money favors a bigger chance of winning then compared to money without a bonus on top of it. It's not. It's following a certain program to my understanding, a reward system or some sort of thing. Best way i could express was to wager to a certain point (up) and see every move from there on collaps (down). As it was completed and that's it.

Bonus play is terrible stupid. Like your buying extra playtime.

 

[DeidreB]

Top class information in this thread! Thank you!

Agree, had not researched underlying algorithms behind the scenes. However I believe the player profile also is a factor. AI never stops collecting information on us, wants to know everything and does provide another layer of behavioral information that the casino has privy to. We filter much of what AI collects..as humans. I think there are many influencing factors here..

 

[DeidreB]

I just dont understand one thing man, it's related to acceptance of bonus money. You have a 35 ~ 39x wager requirement and all that. Here's the thing. When i refuse the bonus and play with real money, it's hard to 'overcome' my initial deposit 8 out of 10 times. When i accept the bonus money, wins, bonusses, it's all over the place. Obviously, it's wagering me and like offering me more playtime for my money.

But usually, when you hit a certain threshold, the same fun is over quickly, and it's a downward spiral, no matter the game or tactic you maintain. If games are supposed to be random, then why is it always hitting big and fancy while playing with bonus money?

Play long enough and you know what i'm talking about. The 35x minimum is a difficult thing to swallow as well. It takes some time to play it out well. I never understood the wagering requirement, did you ever see a landbased offering you bonus money with a wagering requirement? It's just more odds for the house.

Although 35x wagering requirements is common, I recently received a bonus of 20 and won quite a bit, however I would check periodically to see if it had been converted to cash but had not. My play through requirement on that bonus was 12800...320x the bonus. After days I was able to cash out 500..

 

[DeidreB]

I just dont understand one thing man, it's related to acceptance of bonus money. You have a 35 ~ 39x wager requirement and all that. Here's the thing. When i refuse the bonus and play with real money, it's hard to 'overcome' my initial deposit 8 out of 10 times. When i accept the bonus money, wins, bonusses, it's all over the place. Obviously, it's wagering me and like offering me more playtime for my money.

But usually, when you hit a certain threshold, the same fun is over quickly, and it's a downward spiral, no matter the game or tactic you maintain. If games are supposed to be random, then why is it always hitting big and fancy while playing with bonus money?

Play long enough and you know what i'm talking about. The 35x minimum is a difficult thing to swallow as well. It takes some time to play it out well. I never understood the wagering requirement, did you ever see a landbased offering you bonus money with a wagering requirement? It's just more odds for the house.

Although 35x wagering requirements is common, I recently received a bonus of 20 and won quite a bit, however I would check periodically to see if it had been converted to cash but had not. My play through requirement on that bonus was 12800...320x the bonus. After days I was able to cash out 500..

 

[johnnybagel]

I won't make a long post i know most people here hate me with passion because i say the opposite of what they say and i already said what i had to say about slots even tho i figured much more since. Let's talk about roulette, all roulette use magnet and rng/script. The script give numbers in a cycle made to rip people sticking to same numbers or doing martyngale giving mathematically impossible streak of events. But even though i proved it myself countless time, there's a big whale named hahahahaha that did us all the favor to demonstrate it by placing huge bets on the entire board except 27 and 29 on vip roulette. For 20 spins the 27 and 29 landed 18 times out of 20, 27 27 27 29 29 27 27 5 27 27 29 29 29 . etc. Then he told us goodbye and right after it went on as usual and 27 and 29 were not seen for like ever. Also i realized quick that if you win big on roulette the system compensate on slots as the more i won on roulette the more i ripped on slots making me have to return to roulette more and more till roulette kills me. Then return slots later and they all normal or happy since all the roulette money is gone. Finally slots are not random, the system nerf everything and rip players for a time to then give a big win at some point very often when the player stopped depositing/playing so that it makes the player return. It goes in a cycle that is just plain impossible to miss. But i know people love to believe but well that's how it is. Casinos just don't take chances. Even though it's said they don't need to rig, they still do because true random slots would mean they have a chance, even if minimal to see a player come deposit 20$ and bankrupt them. Also the good side of intentionally ripping the player is that players usually dont quit on a big win, but they dont on a big rip so if the player never returns to collect his big win then they just get to keep it. Also each spin independant bla bla, tell me why a game like domnitors give 20-100 dead spins right before each big win to create artificial action and 9/10 your last spin gives you a scatter in front to give hope. It's so not random that when my balance crash to 0 i dont bother but the second it gives a bonus tease with 1-3$ balance i know it's over. The system controls our results keeping our losses like a "bank" meaning if you play 40p bet all year long if you go 5-10$ bet you will simply rip because you don't have enough in your "bank" to get a payout. Then if you rip and lower back your bet then your bank is overloaded for your usual bet size so you hit like mofo. That's why everytime you hit huge once or in a day or two, the following is just plain rip all over the place. So the system is not random but controled. It means you can't win much and everytime you do you will get nuked on the other hand it gives you some kind of safety net meaning everytime you rip too much when you return later after a small pause you will hit back. But one thing for sure if you lose a lot and keep depositing the system will just keep it all nuked and eat everything it can and will payback your rtp when you return to create magical thinking. Also you can have steady 70% rtp on most slots then you will have a bonus or a hit that will payback the entire rtp so on the finance sheet you will have your rtp but oops all on the same slot/event. Try paying attention to your deposit/withdrawal history, keep graphs of your runs and you will see. Try winning big on roulette and see after how the losts behave. So with a system like that a player that is down a lot that go take a big loan and do huge bets will 99.9% of the time get rekt to pieces and be gone. That's why casinos absolutely refuse to let people know how system really work because it's their bread and butter.

That was a pretty long post to be fair

 

[trancemonkey]

Think you have to be very naive to think that all the thousands of available games are 100% straight,there will be games with
covert compensation ( easy way round doing the complicated maths required to achieve a desired trtp), just looking
your RTP at VS will show how some high volitility games get very close to target very fast, that is not down to maths.
I used to design arcade and bingo slots, all of which were heavily compensated,so I know what compensation feels
like and I feel it to a degree in some of the online slots.Say what you like,I do know what I am talking about and that is
my firm opinion.

If you used to design arcade and bingo slots then chances are I know you

Also, chances are you should also know just how difficult compensating an online game would be (assuming it was compensating for more than one player) and you would also know it would be illegal.

 

[trancemonkey]

Got to ask.

Why would people hate either of you.

Some people might think you are barking mad. Others might totally agree with what you say.

Some might think oh no not again. Other's might think at last someone that see's it the way it is and actually says it.


But i see no reason why anyone would either hate or even dislike you.

I have one or two that hate me but there is a reason for that. But anyway carry on and be assured that noone will hate you just for having an opinion.

I dont hate anyone for having a opinion, but they are both wrong.

I compare this kind of rhetoric to those of the flat earth persuasion who say:
"My senses tell me we arent spinning and the world looks flat so therefore it is flat"

This is the same thought process "Casinos wont risk losing money, and games go hot and cold, therefore rigged"...

It is utter bollocks, but you can understand where the thought process comes from

Casinos DO take the risk... that's why they have withdrawal limits and max win caps. The law of averages says that for everyone winning, there will be enough people losing to cover it.

But I guarantee you, some days casinos will lose a shit load. And some days they will rake it in. As long as overall they make money, the business is viable

 

[electronictonic]

If you used to design arcade and bingo slots then chances are I know you

Also, chances are you should also know just how difficult compensating an online game would be (assuming it was compensating for more than one player) and you would also know it would be illegal.

I remember this article about arcade claw machines, where you win a toy well this was posted a few years ago...


An arcade owner from somewhere in central California popped into Reddit late last night to confirm, in exacting detail, what everyone has long suspected: those goddamn claw machines do deliberately have a tissue-thin grip, even when you think you have it lined up directly over that plush toy and can't possibly miss picking it up.

The machines have variable PSI strength settings for the claws, wrote TheDJTec. It's designed so that they "pay out" (give you a toy) only as often as state regulations require.

I had no idea that there were state regulations concerning this kind of an amusement, but there are. The odds in California require a prize dispensed on one in every 12 tries. In Nevada (and in many other states) the odds are 1 in 15.

When the machine decides it's time to pay out, the strength of its grip changes, said TheDJTec. "My claw during 11/12 tries will apply 4-6 PSI, or just enough to shuffle it or barely pick it up," he said. "During the 1/12 tries the claw will apply 9-11 PSI, sometimes picking it up and dropping, some successful." He said that toys typically require 10 PSI to grasp. He goes into deeper detail about how the odds change (and are capped) if the thing fails to pay out on payout-strength grips.

Here's the best part (to me anyway): "We pay between $.25 and $.50 a pop per toy," he said. That means at best you're paying 25 cents for a 1 in 12 chance to double your money. In other instances, you're just getting a toy worth your quarter (unless you're paying 50 cents or more per play). And bulk orders can drive the unit price down to 20 cents.

 

[TheAddict]

Reminds me of a 4 way 'fruit machine' surrounding a toy grabber. was 10p a go with wiins of £1, £2 and £5 avilable (that might even hold once per year). It also had 3 symbols for the feature, which was a teddy grabbing game.
I'd slip on the odd 10p in if xxx was on the reels or 2 bars, but unfortunately managed to get the feature a few times as well. winning a teddy once or twice. Just left the cheap peice of shit sitting in the payout tray for some kid to get excited over.
Sometimes I'd hear one that would be full of £1 coins (backing, dropping whatever) and I'd slip in a few quid to test it's potential, though within 30 seconds I'd always be mumbling 'wtf are you doing you idiot?'
Lost £6 during a full on tilt moment once (£15 for £9 return)

 

[shadow123]

If you used to design arcade and bingo slots then chances are I know you

Also, chances are you should also know just how difficult compensating an online game would be (assuming it was compensating for more than one player) and you would also know it would be illegal.

I was half of Union Games if that means anything.Online compensation was used for quite a while on the MG pub slots,each game was compensated
to one player but only at the specific casino that you were playing at the time,the pots and percentage state were stored and would become active
again when you went back to play the game at that casino,I believe but may be wrong that there may have aslo been some overall compensation on all the games which covered all casinos and players as it would sometime drop enormous pots seemingly out of nowhere,when these pots dropped it gave enhanced play over several plays.so techically it was very possible years ago and think how much we have moved on since then,It was very illegal but it took MG years to realize what was happenning and a some players made a lot of money of it.There will still be some players on here who will have fond memories of those times.It was a very clever system and made play much more interesting as you never knew when it might drop silly
money, I remeber playing a new game at £1, got 15 free spins and it payed 10 × £500 jackpots within those spins, the game was swiftly taken down but did rea appear later.

 

[trancemonkey]

I remember this article about arcade claw machines, where you win a toy well this was posted a few years ago...


An arcade owner from somewhere in central California popped into Reddit late last night to confirm, in exacting detail, what everyone has long suspected: those goddamn claw machines do deliberately have a tissue-thin grip, even when you think you have it lined up directly over that plush toy and can't possibly miss picking it up.

The machines have variable PSI strength settings for the claws, wrote TheDJTec. It's designed so that they "pay out" (give you a toy) only as often as state regulations require.

I had no idea that there were state regulations concerning this kind of an amusement, but there are. The odds in California require a prize dispensed on one in every 12 tries. In Nevada (and in many other states) the odds are 1 in 15.

When the machine decides it's time to pay out, the strength of its grip changes, said TheDJTec. "My claw during 11/12 tries will apply 4-6 PSI, or just enough to shuffle it or barely pick it up," he said. "During the 1/12 tries the claw will apply 9-11 PSI, sometimes picking it up and dropping, some successful." He said that toys typically require 10 PSI to grasp. He goes into deeper detail about how the odds change (and are capped) if the thing fails to pay out on payout-strength grips.

Here's the best part (to me anyway): "We pay between $.25 and $.50 a pop per toy," he said. That means at best you're paying 25 cents for a 1 in 12 chance to double your money. In other instances, you're just getting a toy worth your quarter (unless you're paying 50 cents or more per play). And bulk orders can drive the unit price down to 20 cents.

Did anyone honestly think they worked in a different way?!

 

[trancemonkey]

I was half of Union Games if that means anything.Online compensation was used for quite a while on the MG pub slots,each game was compensated
to one player but only at the specific casino that you were playing at the time,the pots and percentage state were stored and would become active
again when you went back to play the game at that casino,I believe but may be wrong that there may have aslo been some overall compensation on all the games which covered all casinos and players as it would sometime drop enormous pots seemingly out of nowhere,when these pots dropped it gave enhanced play over several plays.so techically it was very possible years ago and think how much we have moved on since then,It was very illegal but it took MG years to realize what was happenning and a some players made a lot of money of it.There will still be some players on here who will have fond memories of those times.It was a very clever system and made play much more interesting as you never knew when it might drop silly
money, I remeber playing a new game at £1, got 15 free spins and it payed 10 × £500 jackpots within those spins, the game was swiftly taken down but did rea appear later.

Yup, single player compensation happened for sure, but this is why all those games disappeared when the rules changed...

And yeah, I remember Union games... that's going back a long way! How did you find MPU4 to work on?

I seem to remember a game called Rotex from you guys, but dont recall many others...

 

[goatwack]

Always wondered why the claws would never keep hold of that life-size teddy bear

 

[shadow123]

I was half of Union Games if that means anything.Online compensation was used for quite a while on the MG pub slots,thr games

Yup, single player compensation happened for sure, but this is why all those games disappeared when the rules changed...

And yeah, I remember Union games... that's going back a long way! How did you find MPU4 to work on?

I seem to remember a game called Rotex from you guys, but dont recall many others...

yup it was a while ago, MPU4 was fine to work on and pretty reliable,we tried to get a licence from Barcrest to do MPU5
but they more or less told us piss off,Empire games had a licence and did well putting our games on MPU5 cabs
Our biggest seller was Pure madness, Empire did well with that too

 

[Jono777]

Pure Madness

Was that the 27 ways streak one, where if you got the scatters during the feature the reels would step down in perfect line up order?

Right gobbler that thing was but paid REALLY well for 25p/30p stakes if you caught it right, peppered thru our local bingo halls they were.

 

[shadow123]

Pure Madness

Was that the 27 ways streak one, where if you got the scatters during the feature the reels would step down in perfect line up order?

Right gobbler that thing was but paid REALLY well for 25p/30p stakes if you caught it right, peppered thru our local bingo halls they were.

yes thats the one,Mecca had quite a few of ours and empire copies,Gala had 25 carrot gold which was the same game but programmed by me for
Maygay.There are vids of the games on youtube and madness has been emulated

 

[mack341]

Shadow, knowing what you know about making slot games and that you suspect some kind of compensation is occuring with the online slots, [maybe to regulate the global rtp rather than individual sessions?] do you play them yourself and if so do you adopt any strategies as a result of your suspicions ? [I say suspicions not in a dismissive way, just can't think of another, better word ]

 

[shadow123]

I do play and its just a feeling i get on some games, like i said before the your rtp figures at VS show some games hitting close to rtp far sooner than
i would have expected.I may be talking crap, it has been known.I cant say i have tried any betting stratagies to try and exploit supposed
compensation, there is a danger of getting into it must pay soon mode and we all know where that ends up

 

[mack341]

I do play and its just a feeling i get on some games, like i said before the your rtp figures at VS show some games hitting close to rtp far sooner than
i would have expected.I may be talking crap, it has been known

I like your theory and it carries a lot more weight coming from yourself as a slot programmer of compensated games.
It's how I've always thought of it after experiencing a week of never ending wins on two games, zeus 1000, and raging rhino. I still stuck to lowish stakes as I was fairly new to slots, so didn't really make the best of the situation though.

Both times felt to me like the game was dumping money out to shift the rtp back up [within it's required range possibly?] and then just as abruptly the pattern of play changed back to mediocre/tight. The zeus game had just been part of a weekly long promotion at ladbrokes, where they gave people points for just playing it, I played it the week afterwards, so to my mind it had perhaps taken a lot of money in that week and needed to readjust in order to get the rtp back to expected values. As I understand it, each slot has a margin of error for the rtp, according to the volume of spins played on it. ButI'm not sure what happens if it falls below the margin, does that have to be reported to ukgc and the game rechecked and tested...

 

[shadow123]

I am sure there are things that only the developers know, like in the VW emission scandal there are ways of passing
compliance tests when you shouldnt

 

[dunover]

I was half of Union Games if that means anything.Online compensation was used for quite a while on the MG pub slots,each game was compensated
to one player but only at the specific casino that you were playing at the time,the pots and percentage state were stored and would become active
again when you went back to play the game at that casino,I believe but may be wrong that there may have aslo been some overall compensation on all the games which covered all casinos and players as it would sometime drop enormous pots seemingly out of nowhere,when these pots dropped it gave enhanced play over several plays.so techically it was very possible years ago and think how much we have moved on since then,It was very illegal but it took MG years to realize what was happenning and a some players made a lot of money of it.There will still be some players on here who will have fond memories of those times.It was a very clever system and made play much more interesting as you never knew when it might drop silly
money, I remeber playing a new game at £1, got 15 free spins and it payed 10 × £500 jackpots within those spins, the game was swiftly taken down but did rea appear later.

@vinylweatherman was the forum expert on these. Check out his old screenshots of 50k+ balances at 10 quid a spin. HipHopapotamus, Track and Field Mouse etc. He reckoned he could 'force' them but I tried on lower stakes and was convinced they would 'dump' just on a lottery basis at your casino. In demo I would try and lose as much on max bets as possible, then reduce to minimum bet to watch the mad streak start immediately.

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[trancemonkey]

I like your theory and it carries a lot more weight coming from yourself as a slot programmer of compensated games.
It's how I've always thought of it after experiencing a week of never ending wins on two games, zeus 1000, and raging rhino. I still stuck to lowish stakes as I was fairly new to slots, so didn't really make the best of the situation though.

Both times felt to me like the game was dumping money out to shift the rtp back up [within it's required range possibly?] and then just as abruptly the pattern of play changed back to mediocre/tight. The zeus game had just been part of a weekly long promotion at ladbrokes, where they gave people points for just playing it, I played it the week afterwards, so to my mind it had perhaps taken a lot of money in that week and needed to readjust in order to get the rtp back to expected values. As I understand it, each slot has a margin of error for the rtp, according to the volume of spins played on it. ButI'm not sure what happens if it falls below the margin, does that have to be reported to ukgc and the game rechecked and tested...

Does the fact I programmed, and designed, compensated fruit machines and slots for 9 years also mean that my opinion counts too

To answer your last question, RTP monitoring is a requirement for UK - if a game falls outside its normal bounds then the games provider would be expected to investigate. It may be nothing is wrong (we use a 95% confidence level, so it's not 100% accurate) but if there is something wrong, especially a game under-paying, then the UKGC must be told. If a game is over paying it is not necessary (if my understanding is correct) to tell the UKGC as that is not a player disadvantage.

 

[trancemonkey]

I am sure there are things that only the developers know, like in the VW emission scandal there are ways of passing
compliance tests when you shouldnt

Given that test houses also have to check the code, unless it is obfuscated extremely well, and the casinos couldn't notice it, it would get found out. And if a test house finds something like that, then the provider would be screwed...

Just to be clear, I am only talking about regulated markets. What goes on in other countries where it is still the wild west, I dread to think