The murder (?) of a Iranian terrorist

[dionysus]

my horse for a paragraph break

 

[JohnSnow]

And Iran has not been under sanctions for 20 years. They have been under sanctions for 40 years. Right now they can't even import medicine and all the small business have fallen. America had already declared war a long time ago when they isolated the country economically. Economical warfare is still warfare. 9000 km far from your home blowing up generals in foreign countries and doing Netanyahu's biddings. Way to go.

 

[dionysus]

better edit; cheers

 

[sufferinsilence]

Always interesting to read an opinion from "the other side".

 

[dionysus]

With respect to both sides here, added a (?) to the title
Carry on

 

[JohnSnow]

Something to note about the American hostage crisis where Trump referred to yesterday about attacking 52 sights representing the hostages taken many years ago. The only time Iran had chosen a democratically elected president he was overthrown by England and America (CIA operation). Documents have been released by the CIA themselves.

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In other words. As as long as a country doesn't bend over in the middle East it is considered a terrorist state. It doesn't matter what Iran will do, eventually there will be war.


Also we have churches in Iran, Christian's and the oldest jew civilisation in the world (yes their roots go deeper than the current ones in Israel).. open up your Bible and read the old testament. Iran saved the very last Jews from Babylon, some stayed with the Persians and are here till this day and age. We have a Jewish representative in the Iranian government and parlement for the Jewish people of Iran. You can celebrate Christmas here. Do you have such things in Saudi Arabia?

Just to show that not everything is true what they tell you in the media. Again not saying that Iranian government is good or not corrupt because they are.

 

[Steviedoo]

With respect to both sides here, added a (?) to the title
Carry on

why add the question mark?

he was murdered. there is no uncertainty.

 

[dionysus]

why add the question mark?

he was murdered. there is no uncertainty.

because, frankly, it's become a debateable topic, we've Iranian members, US members, international members....people that have a different stance, and members can decide - in thread- the merits

 

[ternur]

With respect to both sides here, added a (?) to the title
Carry on

Then you should have added a (?) to the terrorist part as well.

 

[dionysus]

Then you should have added a (?) to the terrorist part as well.

I can only do what I can do without re-writing or wiping the thread.
Members can read in and work from there.
If issues, report and bump it up the chain.

 

[ternur]

I can only do what I can do without re-writing or wiping the thread.
Members can read in and work from there.
If issues, report and bump it up the chain.

I have no issue with it Dion. Maybe you should have added that question mark in the end in the first place though?

But yes, let's continue on the topic.

 

[dionysus]

I have no issue with it Dion. Maybe you should have added that question mark in the end in the first place though?

But yes, let's continue on the topic.

It's a no-win battle trying to be politic....I've no horse in the race; merely trying to be accommodating to international members.
I....think...members can see it and discuss by the title and thread merits without being too hung up on semantics

 

[Harry_BKK]

These are some of the typical comments you get in American-hosted forums.

I very rarely say this about people but the utter ignorance and sheer stupidity is simply mindboggling.

And these are not isolated comments, the absolute majority are in a similar form. No one bothers to maybe search and read e.g. about the 1953 CIA coup (MI6 puppets were part of it as well)

 

[JohnSnow]

Well he just threatened Iraq also with worse sanctions than those of Iran (if that is even possible).. why? Because Iraq doesn't want American army anymore in their country after the bombings. Just shows that the campaign promises on pulling back troops from foreign countries was nothing but a lie.

It's not trump you know.. I mean it doesn't matter which president gets elected, eventually you will have war with Iran which America offcourse will dominate however not without making the world a much unsafer place for everyone.


General Wesley Clark already told us many years ago that wars are planned, including the one with Iran. And I don't think that they haven't prepared for war all these years under sanctions. Let's see where Russia and China stand. When push comes to shove they will abandon Iran.

I believe president Kennedy also told us that there is a shadow government controlling everything... Not much later he was shot dead but maybe a little bit too much conspiracy for some.. although he said those exact words "shadow government".

 

[geordiecolin]

I totally agree that it is not the head of state that makes these decisions but those behind the scenes that pull the strings.
It is the USA that are the real errorists

 

[bamberfishcake]

I believe president Kennedy also told us that there is a shadow government controlling everything... Not much later he was shot dead but maybe a little bit too much conspiracy for some.. although he said those exact words "shadow government".

You would be naive to think Trump is pulling the strings. That is the worrying thing. Every elected president/prime minister/figurehead of a nation is a symbol and representative of the political stance that will follow.

Trump is clearly rude, obnoxious, undemocratic and to talk about destroying a culture is quite frankly unbelievable. His attitude is one of a bully. Acting like a spoilt child when they do not get their own way and throwing tantrums and carving a path of destruction until restrained or punished. However, he will not be punished or restrained until he has done the bidding of the real powers that be.

He is a puppet. Being made to look mad so mad moves can be made.

This is all controlled. If the controlling power is allowing him to declare that destroying a culture is 'ok' then what path are they carving?

 

[JohnSnow]

I agree with you there, absolutely. In my opinion presidents are not even elected but chosen by a select group. There are ways to alter the sentiment of the population of any country. There are specific private companies that only exist for this purpose. After the shit storm in Iraq and 9-11 the world needed something new because the trust was gone.. voila there you have it, the first black president.

Only to start bombing the shit out of Syria and deploying more troops to foreign countries. The sad thing is that nobody can stop them. I believe that it is now illegal in some states in the US to boycott Israeli companies since this would be unpatriotic and antisemitistic.. there you have it.

 

[bamberfishcake]

P.S. Hitler was the next perfect example of a nutcase,

Absolutely right. The last hugely significant historical figure to suggest widespread destruction of cultures on a global scale was HItler.

Its not harsh to make this comparison.

 

[Steviedoo]

because, frankly, it's become a debateable topic, we've Iranian members, US members, international members....people that have a different stance, and members can decide - in thread- the merits

Sorry, I disagree. he was killed on purpose. Which means he was murdered. What is there to debate? You have a misplaced sense of trying to be fair. It is a fact he got murdered there is no debate.

The debatable topic as you point out is whether people on this forum see him as a terrorist or whether he should have been murdered in the first place. That’s what is debatable not whether he was murdered.

The question mark in brackets belongs after the word terrorist.

It is untruthful the way you have it now.

 

[mack341]

I've been reading Trump's tweets off and on for a while, and for the most part thought it was all part of the pantomine, outspoken rhetoric sometimes comical, but once we [the west etc] are in a potential major conflict situation, it reads in a totally different light, very reckless and a far better reason to impeach imo him than that phone call with zelensky.

He's been deceiving his base regarding more pointless wars in the ME, he's clearly trying to trigger another one by escalating hostilities, he just needs the smallest reason now to go ahead. And by and large, if you read between the lines, the narrative is being established by the media that the iranians had this coming. [I haven't read every article out there but going by the ones I have, and the tabloidy headlines, I think there is more than a subtle hint in that direction]

You can't threaten to attack civilian, cultural sites, it would be regarded as a 'war crime' under international law; But that could even be part of his scheming, he'll take the cultural sites off the bombing list to show he's a reasonable person after all everything is a 'deal' or bargaining chip to be played.

Maybe twitter should ban his account but then we wouldn't know roughly what was passing through his head.

 

[Steviedoo]

I've been reading Trump's tweets off and on for a while, and for the most part thought it was all part of the pantomine, outspoken rhetoric sometimes comical, but once we [the west etc] are in a potential major conflict situation, it reads in a totally different light, very reckless and a far better reason to impeach imo him than that phone call with zelensky.

He's been deceiving his base regarding more pointless wars in the ME, he's clearly trying to trigger another one by escalating hostilities, he just needs the smallest reason now to go ahead. And by and large, if you read between the lines, the narrative is being established by the media that the iranians had this coming. [I haven't read every article out there but going by the ones I have, and the tabloidy headlines, I think there is more than a subtle hint in that direction]

You can't threaten to attack civilian, cultural sites, it would be regarded as a 'war crime' under international law; But that could even be part of his scheming, he'll take the cultural sites off the bombing list to show he's a reasonable person after all everything is a 'deal' or bargaining chip to be played.

Maybe twitter should ban his account but then we wouldn't know roughly what was passing through his head.

and his team is out there in the press saying he did not say he would target cultural sites...its called gaslighting...they've been doing it since he started running for president....

 

[geordiecolin]

What Trump/America did was ignore all recognised rules of engagement. In doing so they have put themselves in no position to complain if a Country they have abused decides to do something despicable to them. Or to any other Country that supports such American actions. America have made a mockery of international laws by their actions

 

[4048]

I've been reading Trump's tweets off and on for a while, and for the most part thought it was all part of the pantomine, outspoken rhetoric sometimes comical, but once we [the west etc] are in a potential major conflict situation, it reads in a totally different light, very reckless and a far better reason to impeach imo him than that phone call with zelensky.

He's been deceiving his base regarding more pointless wars in the ME, he's clearly trying to trigger another one by escalating hostilities, he just needs the smallest reason now to go ahead. And by and large, if you read between the lines, the narrative is being established by the media that the iranians had this coming. [I haven't read every article out there but going by the ones I have, and the tabloidy headlines, I think there is more than a subtle hint in that direction]

You can't threaten to attack civilian, cultural sites, it would be regarded as a 'war crime' under international law; But that could even be part of his scheming, he'll take the cultural sites off the bombing list to show he's a reasonable person after all everything is a 'deal' or bargaining chip to be played.

Maybe twitter should ban his account but then we wouldn't know roughly what was passing through his head.

After brushing off the recent attacks against American assets, like the ships that were hit by mines/missiles (my memory fails me), then allegedly another attack I recently heard about, and now finally the embassy attack, his voters will most likely be more than happy he finally retaliates rather than letting the Iranians attack and terrorize with no repercussions.

 

[bamberfishcake]

After brushing off the recent attacks against American assets, like the ships that were hit by mines/missiles (my memory fails me), then allegedly another attack I recently heard about, and now finally the embassy attack, his voters will most likely be more than happy he finally retaliates rather than letting the Iranians attack and terrorize with no repercussions.

Are these attacks not in retaliation to American attacks? I must admit my knowledge of the timeline for these events is poor.

 

[irish-ranger]

What’s the big deal with this?? The Americans took out a guy responsible for the deaths of 600x American service personnel.
Just like they took out bin laden and Saddam live by the sword die by the sword 1 parasite less the world has to worry about..

 

[mack341]

"IRAN WILL NEVER HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON!" is his latest one line tweet.

Trump was warned not to tear up that nuclear deal with Iran, which took years to negotiate and which many countries were happy to agree, but he wanted it re-written and now he's facing the reality of the consequences. That Iran will/has started work back on nuclear technology in earnest, I'm not sure if an air bombing campaign can stop the research etc.., facilities can be hidden. It maybe that the only way to 100% prevent what he is determined to stop, is a boots on the ground conflict, an invasion, occupation and forced regime change... the US and allies have the forces to do it but is the public support there?

 

[4048]

"IRAN WILL NEVER HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON!" is his latest one line tweet.

Trump was warned not to tear up that nuclear deal with Iran, which took years to negotiate and which many countries were happy to agree, but he wanted it re-written and now he's facing the reality of the consequences. That Iran will/has started work back on nuclear technology in earnest, I'm not sure if an air bombing campaign can stop the research etc.., facilities can be hidden. It maybe that the only way to 100% prevent what he is determined to stop, is a boots on the ground conflict, an invasion, occupation and forced regime change... the US and allies have the forces to do it but is the public support there?

I don't think he will have any issue convincing the public that nuclear weapons doesn't belong in the hands of terrorists.

It's the ones that needs convincing I would worry about.

 

[mack341]

I don't think he will have any issue convincing the public that nuclear weapons doesn't belong in the hands of terrorists.

It's the ones that needs convincing I would worry about.

The international community including the US had agreed a deal designed to prevent that very thing from happening, it took years to negotiate and could've led to a thawing of relations and more agreements between the west and Iran...and guess what Trump tore it up.

Edit: Let me guess you bought the one about saddam's wmds too?

 

[Harry_BKK]

After brushing off the recent attacks against American assets, like the ships that were hit by mines/missiles (my memory fails me), then allegedly another attack I recently heard about, and now finally the embassy attack, his voters will most likely be more than happy he finally retaliates rather than letting the Iranians attack and terrorize with no repercussions.

They promised "bigly" (Pompano was on all channels) that they will present the evidence with proof of Iranian involvement to the UN security council. Be it for the ships or the downed drone (that it was in international waters). To this day, NOTHING!

What does that tell you?

And one thing you forget, the US has no reason whatsoever to be in the region. They invaded Iraq twice and Afghanistan without UN mandate. The US is the culprit and is terrorizing an entire region with no planning/thought of how things should be in the future. The US generals are on tape saying exactly that.

 

[Harry_BKK]

What’s the big deal with this?? The Americans took out a guy responsible for the deaths of 600x American service personnel.
Just like they took out bin laden and Saddam live by the sword die by the sword 1 parasite less the world has to worry about..

250,000 people died in Iraq and Afghanistan through three illegitimate US invasions without UN mandate. Plus, none of the countries ever attacked the US that would serve as a reason for the attacks.

So, the 600 Americans, as sad as it is that young people were wasted, is a drop compared to the losses on the other side due to the US atrocities.

FYI, Soleimani was until recently a "quasi" ally of the US in the fight against ISIS. He was now expendable after the US didn't need him anymore, just like they left the Kurds in Syria, the South-Vietnamese a few decades earlier or the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan in the Soviet War, to name just a few that the US betrayed..

The US has created nothing but utter chaos in the last 7 decades wherever it thought it would be a good idea to test their new weaponry. Decrying now a general, whose mission per se is to defeat enemies, that he is responsible for 600 American deaths is hypocrisy at its finest! I'm not saying he was a wonderful guy but neither was he the monster the US has convinced you that he was.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I don't think he will have any issue convincing the public that nuclear weapons doesn't belong in the hands of terrorists.

It's the ones that needs convincing I would worry about.

Do you think they belong into the hands of a president who just ordered to produce smaller nukes so they can be better used locally? Or has seriously asked why the US military has not already used more nukes in past conflicts?

Iran shelved the nuclear weapons idea in the early 2000s, documents from the IAEA show that. You can google why they became interested again if you want to know the truth.

Obama and a few other leaders finally got them to the table to sign the JPCOA which Mr T in his "I can do whatever I want" delirium tore apart because it was an Obama thing. It had limited scope and worked to that extend. It could have been extended or other parts added at a later stage, but as usual Mr T just scrapped it with no plan whatsoever as to what should come next.

TBH, I am not worried about Iran, they never started a war which you cannot say about the US in the last decades. And the US is the country that has sufficient nukes to eliminate all life on this planet many times over.

 

[bamberfishcake]

What’s the big deal with this?? The Americans took out a guy responsible for the deaths of 600x American service personnel.
Just like they took out bin laden and Saddam live by the sword die by the sword 1 parasite less the world has to worry about..

I think maybe that other countries would have followed protocol. When you have a democratic government that plays by their own rules and does not do things democratically you basically have a form of fascist dictatorship.

Its like a bully in school who thinks they can take your lunch using force.

I don't think he will have any issue convincing the public that nuclear weapons doesn't belong in the hands of terrorists.

It's the ones that needs convincing I would worry about.

I think Iran want to have Nuclear power mainly and if America can have over 6000 nuclear weapons why cant Iran have one? I dont hear anything in the media suggesting the rest of the world are worried about Iran having the technology.

Not sure there is anybody who needs convincing nuclear weapons shouldnt be in the hands of terrorists. Is the whole country of Iran and ts people seen like that? Not by me. I have a wider scope of thought.

 

[goatwack]

Stereotypes will always exist on both sides of the propaganda coin, Westerners will think of people in the Middle East to be one and the same, sword-wielding baddy extras from Hot Shots pt.II, whilst those in the Middle East will have a penchant for thinking the U.S and her allies as the Great Satan coupled with the whore of Babylon

Fact is though that I can't recall many generals or higher military personnel not having blood on their hands, so to paint this murdered guy as some reckless warlord is probably a stretch. He did what he *had' to do, including helping the U.S it seems.

Of course had they killed a high-ranking U.S officer first, the U.S'd be fine with that and probably shrug it off as 'one of those things' right?

Fact is this is a clear intent to initiate a war through provocation. Had this happened during conflict no one would have batted an eyelid. Yet it seems Trump's counting on Iran to react.....exactly as they are

 

[JohnSnow]

What’s the big deal with this?? The Americans took out a guy responsible for the deaths of 600x American service personnel.
Just like they took out bin laden and Saddam live by the sword die by the sword 1 parasite less the world has to worry about..

And how many foreign people have died by the hands of American serviceman since the existence of the US? 3 Juli 1988, when has the US apologized for shooting down the Iranian civilian airplane with 274 children and innocent men (in fucking iranian waters?

Never.. the children were floating in the waters and there is a video of that. The IRGC had to pull them from the waters, yes the army section of Iran that has is being called terrorists by Trump. How about the overthrown of our first democratically elected president in 1953?

You don't understand what the big deal is? Take a look at footage on YouTube how many people in Iran were attending the funeral in the streets of Iran. Not thousands or hundreds of thousands, no.. millions and millions throughout major cities in the whole country.

What you just indirectly said is that all these people are terrorists basically. They are already unified. This is not the same as taking out filth like bin laden or bagdadi from ISIL. It doesn't matter much, it's a shit show either way. This is not good at all, not for Americans, not for Europeans and specially not for Iranians.

Saddam was a cunt but at least he kept those radical groups in check. Because of the overthrown of Saddam they created ISIS. Just like they took out Bin Laden?
And what about now? You do know that Taliban controls over 70% of Afghanistan right now correct?

LMAO, have you ever heard of the Binladen group? Do you know who Bin Laden's father and brother is? Do you even know where he came from? His family is still one of the richest in SA and they have a lot of investments in the US. They have always worked for the government of SA.

Your country gets attacked by Saudi's, almost all the mosques in the west are sponsored by Saudi Arabia, the sunni Muslim extremist who blow themselves up in the west have the same ideology and yet they are your biggest Allie and people like you are still pointing the finger at Iran.

I don't care if anyone thinks Soleimani was a terrorist because for me it's clear that he was not, he was a war hero (Iran-Iraq war) who saved our country several times when almost the whole world stood against us.

Soleimani and the kuds force have defeated ISIS is Iraq and the kuds force are still fighting every single day on the boarders to keep them filth out. Soleimani even helped the US against the Taliban after 9-11 when the US asked for help.

Meanwhile the US arms Saudies with billions and billions of weapons to bomb the shit out of the poorest country in the world (Yemen).

 

[JohnSnow]

I would like to share something else with you guys. Untill recently MEK (Iranian terror organisation) was listed as a terrorist organisation by the whole world including the US. Since the US is now working with MEK against Iran they have taken them of the terror list including some other Western countries.

Senators and government officials have deep ties with MEK and they attend every single Rally of them in the US. This is group that helped Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war and betrayed the Iranian people. Every single true Iranian with or against the current government hates this terror group.

Bolton even promised them on a rally that they would celebrate in Teheran in 2019.. well obviously that didn't go as planned.
Untill 2012 the US considered them a terrorist organisation:



They claim to be against the Regime because they are corrupt but the fact is that MEK has killed more Iranians than the government ever could.

When you have deep roots in the group yo can never leave, they will hunt you down and kill you. Their financial reach is mind-blowing, one of the richest terror groups in the world that walk freely in the US. They have army men and a lot of them. They hire foreign militans to fight commit terror attacks. They have very strong ties with SA and Israel.

Edit:

I don't know if I will get slammed for putting a RT video on here but at least you can look at the raw footage in the beginning of the video how many people attended the funeral. There are loads and loads of video's out there.

 

[irish-ranger]

And how many foreign people have died by the hands of American serviceman since the existence of the US? 3 Juli 1988, when has the US apologized for shooting down the Iranian civilian airplane with 274 children and innocent men (in fucking iranian waters?

Never.. the children were floating in the waters and there is a video of that. The IRGC had to pull them from the waters, yes the army section of Iran that has is being called terrorists by Trump. How about the overthrown of our first democratically elected president in 1953?

You don't understand what the big deal is? Take a look at footage on YouTube how many people in Iran were attending the funeral in the streets of Iran. Not thousands or hundreds of thousands, no.. millions and millions throughout major cities in the whole country.

What you just indirectly said is that all these people are terrorists basically. They are already unified. This is not the same as taking out filth like bin laden or bagdadi from ISIL. It doesn't matter much, it's a shit show either way. This is not good at all, not for Americans, not for Europeans and specially not for Iranians.

Saddam was a cunt but at least he kept those radical groups in check. Because of the overthrown of Saddam they created ISIS. Just like they took out Bin Laden?
And what about now? You do know that Taliban controls over 70% of Afghanistan right now correct?

LMAO, have you ever heard of the Binladen group? Do you know who Bin Laden's father and brother is? Do you even know where he came from? His family is still one of the richest in SA and they have a lot of investments in the US. They have always worked for the government of SA.

Your country gets attacked by Saudi's, almost all the mosques in the west are sponsored by Saudi Arabia, the sunni Muslim extremist who blow themselves up in the west have the same ideology and yet they are your biggest Allie and people like you are still pointing the finger at Iran.

I don't care if anyone thinks Soleimani was a terrorist because for me it's clear that he was not, he was a war hero (Iran-Iraq war) who saved our country several times when almost the whole world stood against us.

Soleimani and the kuds force have defeated ISIS is Iraq and the kuds force are still fighting every single day on the boarders to keep them filth out. Soleimani even helped the US against the Taliban after 9-11 when the US asked for help.

Meanwhile the US arms Saudies with billions and billions of weapons to bomb the shit out of the poorest country in the world (Yemen).

Who gives a fuck I stand by my statement.....
Good luck

 

[EkJR]

Well he just threatened Iraq also with worse sanctions than those of Iran (if that is even possible).. why? Because Iraq doesn't want American army anymore in their country after the bombings. Just shows that the campaign promises on pulling back troops from foreign countries was nothing but a lie.

It's not trump you know.. I mean it doesn't matter which president gets elected, eventually you will have war with Iran which America offcourse will dominate however not without making the world a much unsafer place for everyone.


General Wesley Clark already told us many years ago that wars are planned, including the one with Iran. And I don't think that they haven't prepared for war all these years under sanctions. Let's see where Russia and China stand. When push comes to shove they will abandon Iran.

I believe president Kennedy also told us that there is a shadow government controlling everything... Not much later he was shot dead but maybe a little bit too much conspiracy for some.. although he said those exact words "shadow government".

But that's what they do, divide and conquer. This doesn't have the same meaning as say 100 years ago, conquering now is being in control of a countrys economy, manipulating their political system and resources to the benefit of the ir own big corporations. Halliburton for example, puppets throughout the US government. Israel as well is simply an extra state of the US so that they can have influence in that region.

 

[JohnSnow]

Who gives a fuck I stand by my statement.....
Good luck

Millions. Never asked you to change your statement. I find your statement hypocritical that's why I reacted to your post. Not asking you to give a fuck.

 

[irish-ranger]

Millions. Never asked you to change your statement. I find your statement hypocritical, not asking you to give a fuck.

Did u ever consider getting a PR job for Sinn Fein?you would be a good fit..

 

[JohnSnow]

Did u ever consider getting a PR job for Sinn Fein?you would be a good fit..

Did you ever consider to search for facts to become more knowledgeable instead of coming with personal attacks when you cannot win an argument?

 

[irish-ranger]

Did you ever consider to search for facts to become more knowledgeable instead of coming with personal attacks when you cannot win an argument?

Good god man please explain how that was a personal attack? you should maybe search for facts and you would discover that Sinn Fein PR people are some of the best in the business.
There’s absolutely no point in wasting my time trying to argue any points with you as you clearly have an agenda which I don’t have the time or energy to take part in.
Your already doing a good job with other forum members you craic on with your agenda next week it will be old news..

 

[JohnSnow]

Good god man please explain how that was a personal attack? you should maybe search for facts and you would discover that Sinn Fein PR people are some of the best in the business.
There’s absolutely no point in wasting my time trying to argue any points with you as you clearly have an agenda which I don’t have the time or energy to take part in.
Your already doing a good job with other forum members you craic on with your agenda next week it will be old news..

I hope it's old news by next week. I have no agenda. Like I said before anyone is free to think about this general as a terrorist or not. Personally I see a lot of people that are misinformed because they blindly follow every single thing what the media tells them (speaking for every country).

What would my agenda be? I'm just trying to make it clear that not everything is as it seems and that we Iranians are called terrorists these days by more and more people while it's people from other countries with different believes that blow themselves up in the west!

I also said that both governments are corrupt. I have an opinion like others and not a single person has to agree with me here. Yes it's a bit emotional for me seeing the state of my country as it is and the uncertainty for my family and 90 million other Iranians.

Anyway I have no hate towards you, none at all even if you stand by your statement which you are entitled to do.. always!

 

[irish-ranger]

I hope it's old news by next week. I have no agenda. Like I said before anyone is free to think about this general as a terrorist or not. Personally I see a lot of people that are misinformed because they blindly follow every single thing what the media tells them (speaking for every country).

What would my agenda be? I'm just trying to make it clear that not everything is as it seems and that we Iranians are called terrorists these days by more and more people while it's people from other countries that blow themselves up in the west!

I also said that both governments are corrupt. I have an opinion like others and not a single person has to agree with me here. Yes it's a bit emotional for me seeing the state of my country as it is and the uncertainty for my family and 90 million other Iranians.

I’m certainly no misguided via the media I spent 22 years in a career were I have been at the receiving end of the damage caused by domestic/international terrorism.
To you Soleimani was a national hero (who ordered the deaths of scores of his own people after the 2019 protests) to me he was the main player in state sponsored terrorism overseas.
Just like to most of the wold nelson Mandela was a hero yet what most don’t know or choose not to remember was that he was a convicted terrorist with blood on his hands.

 

[JohnSnow]

I’m certainly no misguided via the media I spent 22 years in a career were I have been at the receiving end of the damage caused by domestic/international terrorism.
To you Soleimani was a national hero (who ordered the deaths of scores of his own people after the 2019 protests) to me he was the main player in state sponsored terrorism overseas.
Just like to most of the wold nelson Mandela was a hero yet what most don’t know or choose not to remember was that he was a convicted terrorist with blood on his hands.

He ordered the death of those people and this information you have from where? There are traitors and there are protestors. If you think that all the protesters are dead you are definitely misinformed by the media.

Main sponsor of terrorist? And you are saying this while the US is the one that overthrew our first democratically elected president together with England? Jesus the report is out there and you can find it from your own government records and not any news outlet like RT or foreign sponsored media.

Where are the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? How did you help the middle East? Your governments are supporting the bombings in Yemen while almost the whole world condemned it. You talk of Soleimani as a terrorist while Mike pompeo openly admits that lying and cheating is the first thing that they teach you in the CIA.

You have sunni extremist led attacks on your own soil and yet blame Iran for everything bad in this world. When will you realise that as long as you keep meddling in the ME there will always be terrorist attacks?

And as you talk about Nelson you should know that the American government had a hand in overthrowing the Shah because he no longer wanted to play ball as it was going. Khomeini was exiled from Iran. The very government that despises Iran's current regime had a hand in placing them there. Khomeini was living in France untill the 1979 revolution.

You are as misinformed as they come, sorry to say. Forcing democracy on a country, well no shit sherlock that's when you get mass immigration and terror Attacks.

 

[mack341]

It seems like this assassinated General did actually help the US combat the taliban in afghanistan:

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He was also co-ordinating militias successfully fighting isis in syria and iraq.

Basically the shia govt of Iran are always going to defend the shia areas in the middle east, they are the minority of that religion and region and some sunni extremists like isis will specifically target and attack them.

Boris johnson was saying a while back that the iranians are a malign influence in the region and yet the saudis, with our technical help, are bombing the yemen and starving the place, plus also indirectly funding terrorism and trying to brainwash muslims across the globe into following their extreme version of islam. So there is a lot of hypocrisy going around.

Trump's problem is he tore up the nuclear deal which was better than nothing, so he has had to create a pretext to strike sites in Iran connected to nuclear technology research etc.. [he can't say 'sorry folks because I tore up that deal, which every signee was happy with, we've now got to attack Iran'] and he's nearly there, the rhetoric and positive media coverage has pretty much all lined up to support this assassination.

The msm narrative is, if such a high up general and national hero to the iranians is a terrorist, the logic follows Iran must be a terror state - this is the argument that will be put forward for war/air strikes, " we can't let a terror state develop nuclear warheads/technology."
Propaganda when you boil it down is very simple, it has to be, to get the underlying message across to the public. [The fact who tore up the nuclear agreement will be overlooked.]

And you won't find any press coverage [or republican senators] pressing the US govt and Trump to sign up back to the original deal.

Maybe the iranians to save a war/attack should make all the concessions the US/allies in the region want, but there is a trust factor here though, as I don't think the hawks in the US want Iran to have any nuclear technology for peaceful uses like energy, they just don't trust it isn't somehow going to lead to a nuclear weapon. That Iran won't have hidden facilities not inspected etc..so the only solution in the hawk's eyes is forced regime change/occupation or a successful bombing campaign aimed at destroying all the nuclear research and development.

You bet your bottom dollar the Pentagon and CIA are looking all and every day now for evidence of any Iranian/shia acts of revenge, and yet it would be so easy for 'somebody' to fire a mortar onto a us/uk/allies building in Iraq and the iranians get blamed, so it could be a good and necessary idea that the western forces and contractors etc.. do leave Iraq asap and then there can be no more 'incidents' in Iraq that would spark the big conflict where thousands of innocent people will likely die.

 

[vorcirion]

Now US bases are getting hit by iranian missiles. Good job electing such a moron as Trump. To be honest US deserves this. Keep electing such idiots and this is what you get.

edit: Well seems they were Iraqi bases that host US forces.

 

[ESCJAMIE]

Well this is doing wonders for my anxiety, With Trump as leader this is only going to get worse, I just hope Boris does the right thing for us and stay the fuck away from any involvement.

 

[Harry_BKK]

It seems like this assassinated General did actually help the US combat the taliban in afghanistan:

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

He was also co-ordinating militias successfully fighting isis in syria and iraq.

Basically the shia govt of Iran are always going to defend the shia areas in the middle east, they are the minority of that religion and region and some sunni extremists like isis will specifically target and attack them.

Boris johnson was saying a while back that the iranians are a malign influence in the region and yet the saudis, with our technical help, are bombing the yemen and starving the place, plus also indirectly funding terrorism and trying to brainwash muslims across the globe into following their extreme version of islam. So there is a lot of hypocrisy going around.

Trump's problem is he tore up the nuclear deal which was better than nothing, so he has had to create a pretext to strike sites in Iran connected to nuclear technology research etc.. [he can't say 'sorry folks because I tore up that deal, which every signee was happy with, we've now got to attack Iran'] and he's nearly there, the rhetoric and positive media coverage has pretty much all lined up to support this assassination.

The msm narrative is, if such a high up general and national hero to the iranians is a terrorist, the logic follows Iran must be a terror state - this is the argument that will be put forward for war/air strikes, " we can't let a terror state develop nuclear warheads/technology."
Propaganda when you boil it down is very simple, it has to be, to get the underlying message across to the public. [The fact who tore up the nuclear agreement will be overlooked.]

And you won't find any press coverage [or republican senators] pressing the US govt and Trump to sign up back to the original deal.

Maybe the iranians to save a war/attack should make all the concessions the US/allies in the region want, but there is a trust factor here though, as I don't think the hawks in the US want Iran to have any nuclear technology for peaceful uses like energy, they just don't trust it isn't somehow going to lead to a nuclear weapon. That Iran won't have hidden facilities not inspected etc..so the only solution in the hawk's eyes is forced regime change/occupation or a successful bombing campaign aimed at destroying all the nuclear research and development.

You bet your bottom dollar the Pentagon and CIA are looking all and every day now for evidence of any Iranian/shia acts of revenge, and yet it would be so easy for 'somebody' to fire a mortar onto a us/uk/allies building in Iraq and the iranians get blamed, so it could be a good and necessary idea that the western forces and contractors etc.. do leave Iraq asap and then there can be no more 'incidents' in Iraq that would spark the big conflict where thousands of innocent people will likely die.

Mujaheddin in the Soviet War in Afghanistan (later turned into Taliban)
Iran Contra
Kurds in Syria
Iraq - Iran war (the US supplied most of the base chemicals Iraq used to spray over Iran)
...list by far not complete

The US betrays each and every one of its "allies". As the wind turns and suits their needs. Over military 30 bases surrounding Iran and Iraq, they are not there for the "greater good".

Sometimes you get the impression the US is still stuck in the times of the Versaille treaty, where the winning Western powers divided most of the world among themselves and drew willy-nilly new country borders.

It will not stop. I read in an article that since declaring independence the US has been at war 93% of the time!!!! The war machine has to be kept going since the "sweet Benjamins" are the most important thing.

 

[goatwack]

So Iran's Revolutionary Guard says they'll start targetting regional allies of the U.S, and within U.S, if more attacks are launched from military bases inside Iran.

"Oh goody"

 

[JohnSnow]

Now US bases are getting hit by iranian missiles. Good job electing such a moron as Trump. To be honest US deserves this. Keep electing such idiots and this is what you get.

edit: Well seems they were Iraqi bases that host US forces.

They could have launched a 1000 missiles at the biggest American base that is much closer to Iran with the most American troops. They didn't.. instead they chose two bases with the least personnel and so far no casualties.

However.. this escalates things and my guess is that Trump will strike back and hard. Whenever that happens we will have true war. There are no winners here, the real losers are iranian civilians when those bombs come flying.