The murder (?) of a Iranian terrorist

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What’s the folks thoughts on this terrorist butcher now terminated?
Are we heading to world war 3 or is this just a storm in a Middle Eastern teacup? (We have had a few)
Personally pretty up with Middle Eastern conflict due to past careers and interest, this man was a barbarian and terrorist with the deaths of tens if not hundreds of thousands to his name.
His termination was justified.
Not just due to the last escalation, but years and years of abuse and murder and torture in the Middle East.
A shit stain that is no more.
 

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Well normally I'd be #TeamIran, but this chap sounded like a savage murdering b*stard.

But let's face it, conflict is a-comin'
 

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Well normally I'd be #TeamIran, but this chap sounded like a savage murdering b*stard.

But let's face it, conflict is a-comin'
It’s not. No nukes, missiles at less than 600m radios and ring posted by US and allies bases.
They can’t react with any authority at all.
We will probably get lots of feral readers of a certain book doing somethings..
But a conflict won’t happen.
China and Russia won’t want a part either, just another case of a major power flexing its muscles (rightly so) against a oppressive regime.
Not to mention the sanctions upon Iran.
Any talk of conflict or war Is piffle at best.
 

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Suprized some iraqies were pissed off about it, thought iran was their mortal enemy,suppose its
muslims against infidels.
 

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Suprized some iraqies were pissed off about it, thought iran was their mortal enemy,suppose its
muslims against infidels.
Some?Even high ranking Iraqi authorities declared 3 days of mourning to "honor the martyrs killed by the us".
 

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Ill leave this here

Ok so Obama’s drone and fire strikes dwarf that to trumps by a bucket load. That’s fact.
Also we have no war at all.
Not to mention war deaths under Obama dwarf trumps
Trump hasn’t started a war either so your point is pretty moot.
Are you aware of the deaths caused by that Muslim terrorist? Not just the usa, it’s allies and hundreds if not thousands of other normal people in the Middle East?
He was literally mr terrorist.
A butcher and animal.
People like that need eradicating.
I served in the Middle East, believe me these so called ‘peaceful people’ hate all you believe.. lgbt rights in the Middle East? Really? Kidding me?..
Yet it’s people like you whom defend who hates you yet despise those wanting to protect your rights.
Seriously mate get educated on it.
 

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Suprized some iraqies were pissed off about it, thought iran was their mortal enemy,suppose its
muslims against infidels.
Saddam Hussein oppressed the Shia majority population of Iraq. When he was eliminated the Iranians, who are majority Shia, tried to get more influence in Iraq
 

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So it seems Qasem Soleimani served in the Iran - Iraq War, is a decorated war hero and praised by Iran's most symbolically-powerful leader Ayotolla Khomenei, fought ISIS and beat them out of Iraq, and was revered by Iraqis and Iranians alike?

Then gets killed by the U.S for tactical reasons, and one wonders why they'd be a tad peeved.

Far be it for me to suggest there's a lot of propaganda flowing on both sides, and the U.S aren't what I'd call 'squeaky-clean' in Middle Eastern affairs!
 

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So it seems Qasem Soleimani served in the Iran - Iraq War, is a decorated war hero and praised by Iran's most symbolically-powerful leader Ayotolla Khomenei, fought ISIS and beat them out of Iraq, and was revered by Iraqis and Iranians alike?
He didn’t defeat Isis lol.
That’s absurd.
Russia played a huge part in that.
The man whom was terminated was a genocidal maniac.
To attempt to defend such a low life and pillar of heathen scum and his oppressive Iranian regime is v misguided
Then gets killed by the U.S for tactical reasons, and one wonders why they'd be a tad peeved.

Far be it for me to suggest there's a lot of propaganda flowing on both sides, and the U.S aren't what I'd call 'squeaky-clean' in Middle Eastern affairs!
 

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Saddam Hussein oppressed the Shia majority population of Iraq. When he was eliminated the Iranians, who are majority Shia, tried to get more influence in Iraq
Sadam. Regardless of opinion kept the Middle Eastern savages in check. Now look at it
 

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Soleimani fought and beat them out of ISIS-held territories, yes. Though obviously not by himself, I didn't say he was Rambo

And what is the point of this debate other than to echo one person's opinion lol

It'd be more japes pissing into the wind!

Ah, bring back the Brexit thread days
 

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Soleimani fought and beat them out of ISIS-held territories, yes. Though obviously not by himself, I didn't say he was Rambo

And what is the point of this debate other than to echo one person's opinion lol

It'd be more japes pissing into the wind!

Ah, bring back the Brexit thread days
The trump thread was better mate :)
 

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Well I think the thread title is the key here. Murder.

What limits should be set for targeted killings by governments (in foreign countries)? Should these be scrutinised at all? Or should we just blindly accept what a US goverment (in this case) tells us?

In general, the legal principle is that assassinations are prohibited. The US government have argued many times in the past that their targeted killing policy is lawful and they are not assassinations (if we define assassinations as "the killing of an individual or group of individuals for purely political or ideological reasons").

The usual justifications for this policy are either a non international armed conflict (NIAC) (no jus ad bellum analysis needed since it is automatically satisfied), self defence, the law enforcement paradigm or any combination of them.

Targeted killings are a form of preemption. And the US goverment is using mostly self defence argument in a time of war to justify them. But it's rather disturbing that this policy seems to be a preferred one these days instead of it being the last option.

Rather than focusing on who was killed, I'd rather focus on the legality of the action. And in this respect, a number of these so called targeted killings lack the needed threshold that should be achieved when killing people.
 

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