The Democrats Racist Card + my awakening today

[LaurieJim]

@Laurie

Do you know for sure that what footdr posted was copy /pasted from a chain mail?

I would think if this were true that she would at least apologize for lying and insisting it happened to her.

@Some people in this thread and others recently.

It's amazing how some of those who were so anti-thanks-button-abuse not so long ago are happy to do it with the like button . Thanking or liking posts that contain derogatory remarks about others is pretty low IMO - if you want to sink the boots in at least have the guts to do it yourself and not hide behind someone else.

Anyway, carry on.

I thanked footdr for coming back here to give her side of the story, I get strange emails all the time, so yes I thought this was just another chain email as footdr strikes me as a very educated woman.

She has posted why and that she didnt check it out like she should have and thats good enough for me and I will not judge her on one post that started so much bickering between fellow posters, this is how we become divided as a community and its not good.

Laurie

 

[jetset]

I can't agree with Nifty that these informative exchanges between posters whose political and social views are such poles apart should cease....I find the debate very interesting, if at times heated.

We can do without the sniping on both sides, however - ridicule, supercilious attitudes and threats to ignore future posts are not especially enlightening or relevant.

Grease, I think the tax percentages that you quote have significance in this debate, and you should therefore source them. And please eschew the temptation to throw in personal jabs every now and again - it just distracts one from the points you are making.

Lotso - I may not be an American, but I know an interesting debate when I see one, and I hope you will re-think your decision to abandon your exchanges with Grease...just lose the sneers and jibes, if I may make a suggestion?

So far, my entirely subjective opinion is that both sides of the political chasm have shown a degree of intolerance of another's viewpoint, and a tendency to accuse one another of the same sort of divisive conduct (like respect for presidents past and present; class and wealth tactics; use of racism; interpretation of history and financial fact etc)

But I am sure of one thing, and that is all the US participants are patriotic and want the best for their country...as they see it.

Now, clean your gloves and box on!

Edited to add a postscript to footdr.

Please can you clarify the position regarding the appearance of your story on another site/s under a different pseudonym? Was that you posting about a personal experience or not?

 

[Da_Gambla]

I thanked footdr for coming back here to give her side of the story, I get strange emails all the time, so yes I thought this was just another chain email as footdr strikes me as a very educated woman.

She has posted why and that she didnt check it out like she should have and thats good enough for me and I will not judge her on one post that started so much bickering between fellow posters, this is how we become divided as a community and its not good.

Laurie

Well, that might be a bit extreme... first off, this community is not all inclusive and all in agreement with everything. As we can see, besides a fondness for gambling in many forms, we also have represented here just about every country, race, and political ideal. That's going to lead to divisiveness on those subjects, and well, lets not leave out the fact that gambling as a topic can also be fairly divisive.

Good debate is healthy, and a forum like this is ripe with potential debate subjects.

Many threads on here are nothing more than a good game of Texas Hold 'em. Everyone antes up with their posts, then more cards are drawn. People raise, some call, some fold early. Then there's some good ol' fashioned trash talking and more rounds of raises, calls, and maybe a few more fold. Then you have outsiders watching who want to comment, but aren't really in the pot. People who folded early will still throw in a comment here or there. Near the final rounds, examples, proof, and most points start becoming rather sparse, and that's when the bluffing starts. Point is, there are those who feel they have strong hands and are committed to seeing it through, while others just kind of sit out on the edge tossing in an occasional comment.

I think it's all good, really. It's just words, and I don't really understand why people get so affected. I remember a comment made to me by LinkinFart in the 'winner' debate where he said "remember, we aren't friends" (forum puffer-fishery). I didn't even acknowledge it in that debate due to how ridiculous that statement is. I find it equally ridiculous that someone should suggest they start to 'ignore each other' (forum bluffing/possible fold) due to a political indifference.

A forum is uniquely different than a local pub. There's very little risk of it spilling out into a parking lot and being settled by violence. On the other hand, the anonymity of the internet, and the safety of being behind a monitor can lead to a lot more bravado and extremism than one might exhibit if face to face. I'm not sure this is a bad thing. I like knowing what people REALLY think when not faced with peer group or family pressure. I think you get a lot more real and raw emotional content.

The main difference between a forum debate and a card game is, and I don't really have a solution to it, there is no final hand that determines a winner so a new hand can be dealt. Just remember that when these threads start, and you hit the reply button, you are essentially anteing up. Be prepared to play your best hand and don't cry. There's no crying in debate.

- Keith

 

[Nifty29]

I can't agree with Nifty that these informative exchanges between posters whose political and social views are such poles apart should cease....I find the debate very interesting, if at times heated.

We can do without the sniping on both sides, however - ridicule, supercilious attitudes and threats to ignore future posts are not especially enlightening or relevant.

Grease, I think the tax percentages that you quote have significance in this debate, and you shoud therefor source them. And please eschew the temptation to throw in personal jabs every now and again - it just distracts one from the points you are making.

Lotso - I may not be an American, but I know an interesting debate when I see one, and I hope you will re-think your decision to abandon your exchanges with Grease...just lose the sneers and jibes, if I may make a suggestion?

So far, my entirely subjective opinion is that both sides of the political chasm have shown a degree of intolerance of another's viewpoint, and a tendency to accuse one another of the same sort of divisive conduct (like respect for presidents past and present; class and wealth tactics; use of racism; interpretation of history and financial fact etc)

But I am sure of one thing, and that is all the US participants love are patriotic and want the best for their country...as they see it.

Now, clean your gloves and box on!

Edited to add a postscript to footdr.

Please can you clarify the position regarding the appearance of your story on another site/s under a different pseudonym? Was that you posting about a personal experience or not?

I probably didn't make my point very clear when I said 'pack it ain't. I was referring to the 'argument' and the way it was headed - I enjoy a healthy debate as you know and will happily keep reading if, as you said, we can stop the personal stuff. I don't have the right to tell anyone else to stop posting and I would never presume to think I did.

 

[The Dude]

@Some people in this thread and others recently.

It's amazing how some of those who were so anti-thanks-button-abuse not so long ago are happy to do it with the like button . Thanking or liking posts that contain derogatory remarks about others is pretty low IMO - if you want to sink the boots in at least have the guts to do it yourself and not hide behind someone else...

I need to echo Nifty's concerns here - please watch the "Thanking" and "I Like" thing. Some of you are thanking posts that are jabbing at the counter argument's author, and this is uncool. When thanking someone for a clearly "helpful" post, ensure that it is not perceived as a form of "mobbing". More on this here. Thanks!

@footdr - I need to chime in my questioning of the validity of your claim meeting this 71 year old black man. Most of what he said was either totally bogus or just didn't ring true. Also, (IMO) it would take meeting thousands of black people to get a true perspective of how they feel about their position and situation in "white" America. The words of one misguided 71 year old shouldn't be taken as gospel, and it should have been posted with a disclaimer of some kind.

 

[greasemonkey]

Grease, I think the tax percentages that you quote have significance in this debate, and you should therefore source them.

This information is readily available everywhere and can be found with any quick search engine inquiry. Here are but a few:

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[greasemonkey]

@LOTSO / GMONKEY

You are NEVER going to change each others views, and your posts are getting longer and longer and progressively more and more about point scoring.

Time to pack it in IMO as nothing is being achieved.

GM - surely you can find better examples than 'sexual relations with homeless men's or ' mugging old ladies ' to make your point. It's just sick.

I will say once again - the USA is a nation divided and considering the best military strategy is 'divide and conquer', maybe you are all playing right into the hands of those who want to see the USA fall (and the list is long )

How do you know that we won't change one another's views, Nifty?

If you don't share your ideas and listen to others and possibly debate these ideas then how will you ever know?

Why is nothing being achieved? I think that thoughts are being shared.

You are free not to like my jabs at humorous examples. Mugging old ladies is 'sick'? Sorry that you are so easily offended.

While you are an outsider, you are free to express your opinion that we are a country divided. In the political arena there are basically two camps.... those that want big govt and socialistic type of living and those that want less govt and more freedoms/less restrictions. It is pretty simple and lots0 and I were debating the reasoning behind each.
One thing for sure is that I would go and fight for lots0's right to speak his mind. I would go and fight for lots0 to have any opinion he wants and do anything he wants. I believe that many still in our country would go and fight for lots0 and his freedoms even if his opinions are different from mine - nobody better try and take that right from him. I don't think that divides us and I don't think that the 2 political polars weaken our country to the point of vulnerability.
This country has had a heated debate for the last 20 years about this very issue. Did you see how quickly that was put aside around the time of 911?

 

[Da_Gambla]

In the political arena there are basically two camps.... those that want big govt and socialistic type of living and those that want less govt and more freedoms/less restrictions.

That has not been my experience. Most people I know are somewhere in the middle there. The statement I believe would more paint a proper picture would be:

In the political arena there are basically two camps who scream the loudest....

And those who make the most noise generally get air and print time in the media, thus making them appear as some sort of majority. This is proven time and time again in elections, where the outcome was surprisingly different than the noisiest side dictated.

The two extremes are like tides that ebb and flow. One side pulls too far one way, and then it starts going back the other direction. Who dictates this shift? Most of the people in the middle. In fact, since the two extreme sides will never convince each other, the people in the middle are their actual targets. One the people in the middle start leaning a direction, we're going to go that direction for awhile.

- Keith

 

[Emmeline]

In the political arena there are basically two camps.... those that want big govt and socialistic type of living and those that want less govt and more freedoms/less restrictions. It is pretty simple and lots0 and I were debating the reasoning behind each.

I'm not getting into the pro con democratic republican debate here, neither am I taking a socialistic standpoint. I just don't believe it's pretty simple.
It may be more simple in the american context, but not from my perspective.
Big govt and socialistic type of living, as you put it, can certainly restrict and impose on peoples freedom, but it's not nature given that it gives a negative outcome regarding individual freedom or peoples sense of individual freedom.
We (Sweden, that is) now have had a non-socialistic goverment the last five years. Judging from your comments you would probably label it socialistic.
However, we have a very long history and heritage of reformistic socialism, with "confiscation" and "interference" from the cradle to the grave.
So where did that leave us? How are we doing?

Sweden ranks as follow; (from wiki)
IMF GDP per capita 13/180
Index of economic freedom 21/179
Freedom of the press 1/178
Corruption index 1/180
Human development 7/179
Democracy index 4/167

Statistics can and should be questioned but I believe it's appropriate to use these figures. As I said, the equation is imo not an easy one. There are others aspects to take into consideration when we discuss individual freedom contra goverment power.
As humans we depend on each other in various ways, obvious and not so obvious. We can discuss how different political systems give less or more individual freedom, but the outcome of these systems ultimately depend on the inhereted and personal values of communities and individuals. Responsability, accountability and respect for others, does unfortunetaly not automatically follow with increased individual freedom. The outcome can prove to be at the expense of the freedom, health, well-being of others and so on. Likewise the strive to give people more freedom by redistributing funds, can give an outcome of less freedom for some people. I'm just saying it's not simple.

I believe the term individual freedom should not be simplified or tossed around in the debate, because then we never get down to what it's really about. How do we define individual freedom in terms of different values, our presumptions of what the nature of mankind is etc.

If you never have the ability to become wealthy then what reason would you have to strive for anything?

Dignity? Responsibility? Self-respect? Empathy? Independence? Self-expression? Sense of community/brother-hood? Committment?

 

[slotplayer]

That has not been my experience. Most people I know are somewhere in the middle there. The statement I believe would more paint a proper picture would be:

In the political arena there are basically two camps who scream the loudest....

And those who make the most noise generally get air and print time in the media, thus making them appear as some sort of majority. This is proven time and time again in elections, where the outcome was surprisingly different than the noisiest side dictated.

The two extremes are like tides that ebb and flow. One side pulls too far one way, and then it starts going back the other direction. Who dictates this shift? Most of the people in the middle. In fact, since the two extreme sides will never convince each other, the people in the middle are their actual targets. One the people in the middle start leaning a direction, we're going to go that direction for awhile.

- Keith

that is exactly why I avoid debates that are idelogical in nature. They're void of any "real world" rationale.

If I want GM's pov I can simply watch Hannity and for the liberal side, Ed Shultz. I've heard the arguments hundreds of times. Both are non-sense.

 

[gaydave]

that is exactly why I avoid debates that are idelogical in nature. They're void of any "real world" rationale.

If I want GM's pov I can simply watch Hannity and for the liberal side, Ed Shultz. I've heard the arguments hundreds of times. Both are non-sense.

Right, and you probably would have said that if you were alive centuries ago regarding the "is the world flat or is the world round" debate. Which was later found to be an oblate spheroid-ty bbkpoker
There have been a few of you that claim to be above this debate or that it is "non sense". Well why are you even chiming in or reading it then? I like the debate, I think it is important and while there may be extremes to some views GM isn't one of them. Extreme is saying lets do away with all laws and all security nets and all social spending and have totally unregualated living like the wild west days. Extreme is having over half of your private earnings taken from you and accepting it or even asking for more of that.
GM never seems to say that. His points aren't extreme but they are Reaganesque. That seemed to work out pretty good for us when it was tried 30 years ago. If you had this same debate (which did go on) back in 1910 then would the correct position be somewhere in the middle? There wasn't income tax then, no social security or anything like that. Well, we have veered so far left of that time that what is the middle ground of the arguement has changed. It is too simple to say that the answer is in the middle. It might be further right than even GM is stating, it may not be. Why would you want to dismiss it and say something so simple as that the true answer may be somewhere in the middle. That seems intellectually void to me. Lets quit trying to be higher/mightier than the debate and really look at it and lets quit trying to censor the debate.

 

[Da_Gambla]

Right, and you probably would have said that if you were alive centuries ago regarding the "is the world flat or is the world round" debate. Which was later found to be an oblate spheroid-ty bbkpoker
There have been a few of you that claim to be above this debate or that it is "non sense". Well why are you even chiming in or reading it then? I like the debate, I think it is important and while there may be extremes to some views GM isn't one of them. Extreme is saying lets do away with all laws and all security nets and all social spending and have totally unregualated living like the wild west days. Extreme is having over half of your private earnings taken from you and accepting it or even asking for more of that.
GM never seems to say that. His points aren't extreme but they are Reaganesque. That seemed to work out pretty good for us when it was tried 30 years ago. If you had this same debate (which did go on) back in 1910 then would the correct position be somewhere in the middle? There wasn't income tax then, no social security or anything like that. Well, we have veered so far left of that time that what is the middle ground of the arguement has changed. It is too simple to say that the answer is in the middle. It might be further right than even GM is stating, it may not be. Why would you want to dismiss it and say something so simple as that the true answer may be somewhere in the middle. That seems intellectually void to me. Lets quit trying to be higher/mightier than the debate and really look at it and lets quit trying to censor the debate.

Questioning why someone is 'chiming in', but declaring you like the debate are contradictory stances. I believe what I read into some of the concerns was just that it was getting a bit too personal versus informational in exchange.

Your posts seem much more hostile in form than someone claiming to want to exchange ideals. They seem to be more along the lines of a challenge to contradict you, rather than an invitation to debate you. You are basically causing people who might have some good points to remain silent, or receive your wrath ("oh, well then you'd probably think/said..", etc).

Facts and statistics can be viewed many ways, and interpreted even more ways. Stating them opens them up to debate/interpretation. Being ridiculed for how any contributor might interpret them kills the debate in its path.

- Keith

 

[slotplayer]

thank you Keith.

I didn't know what to make of the post.

But to be clear, I when I said that GM's pov as like Hannity's I was recalling a post he made in another thread. In any event anyone that watches Hannity know he often refers to Reagan and "Reaganesque" policies.

For what its worth I knew Lotos had the tax breakdown wrong when I read it, just like I knew of no evidence Sharpton was a convicted murder when I read it. I doubt O'Reilly would have him on his show if he was.

I don't debate because I agree on many of the issues. As far as taxes go, my thought is "the more money in your and your families pocket the better." That is where I leave it.

Entitlements are a problem but are non-partisan. Should one find themselves in ecomomic distress then I see it as a personal choice whether to take advantage of them or not and judge not.

If the cost of living goes up whether it be because of taxes or inflation and I want to maintain or improve my life style then I try and find ways to make more money.

 

[jimdog]

hate all the liberals?

Before people go on with a love fest of the tea party and the republicans- I hope you realize that it was mainly republicans in congress that proposed and passed the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act. There has been one friend of gamblers in congress who has many times tried to repeal this law- Congressman Barney Frank, the far left liberal. He has repeatedly tried to introduce legislation that would reverse this law and make our world wonderful.

 

[gaydave]

Questioning why someone is 'chiming in', but declaring you like the debate are contradictory stances. I believe what I read into some of the concerns was just that it was getting a bit too personal versus informational in exchange.

Your posts seem much more hostile in form than someone claiming to want to exchange ideals. They seem to be more along the lines of a challenge to contradict you, rather than an invitation to debate you. You are basically causing people who might have some good points to remain silent, or receive your wrath ("oh, well then you'd probably think/said..", etc).

Facts and statistics can be viewed many ways, and interpreted even more ways. Stating them opens them up to debate/interpretation. Being ridiculed for how any contributor might interpret them kills the debate in its path.

- Keith

Keith, no - no - you are exactly correct that isn't what I was trying to accomplish at all.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. I am questioning why someone is chiming in IN ORDER TO STOP THE DEBATE. IN SAYING THAT IT IS NONSENSE OR GOING NOWHERE. That came from a few different posters. That was my issue. I do want people to chime in and debate. I want the debate and I think it is healthy. I just don't understand why they would post if they think the debate is worthless. Why even bother responding then and taking away from the debate at hand _ or altering its path?
What I don't want to debate is if the debate is relevant or if it is worth having or if it is getting too mean. That takes away from the focus of the debate and gets it sidetracked. I like the debate and when someone says it should cease or tone down then it takes away from the issues being debated.

 

[gaydave]

thank you Keith.

I didn't know what to make of the post.

But to be clear, I when I said that GM's pov as like Hannity's I was recalling a post he made in another thread. In any event anyone that watches Hannity know he often refers to Reagan and "Reaganesque" policies.

For what its worth I knew Lotos had the tax breakdown wrong when I read it, just like I knew of no evidence Sharpton was a convicted murder when I read it. I doubt O'Reilly would have him on his show if he was.

I don't debate because I agree on many of the issues. As far as taxes go, my thought is "the more money in your and your families pocket the better." That is where I leave it.

Entitlements are a problem but are non-partisan. Should one find themselves in ecomomic distress then I see it as a personal choice whether to take advantage of them or not and judge not.

If the cost of living goes up whether it be because of taxes or inflation and I want to maintain or improve my life style then I try and find ways to make more money.

I interpreted your thread to mean that you thought the debate was irrelevant and pointless. I'm sorry for the misread on that one. Thanks for taking the time to clarify - my fault, sorry again. Seems that I have derailed the thread slightly when that is what I was against doing in the first place. Excuse me for that everyone.

I like your thoughts slotplayer. thanks for sharing.

 

[felicie]

"The two extremes are like tides that ebb and flow. One side pulls too far one way, and then it starts going back the other direction. Who dictates this shift? Most of the people in the middle. In fact, since the two extreme sides will never convince each other, the people in the middle are their actual targets. One the people in the middle start leaning a direction, we're going to go that direction for awhile.

- Keith"


That is a good explanation imo. thank you. It seems to me to be the only way to keep a country of this many people in balance. We all have issues we feel very strongly about but again there has to be balance and that takes compromise. In a free country one of the most idiotic things a person might say is it's my way or the highway. How big of a contradiction is that? lol

 

[felicie]

Before people go on with a love fest of the tea party and the republicans- I hope you realize that it was mainly republicans in congress that proposed and passed the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act. There has been one friend of gamblers in congress who has many times tried to repeal this law- Congressman Barney Frank, the far left liberal. He has repeatedly tried to introduce legislation that would reverse this law and make our world wonderful.

Where is he now? Probably working on the more important part of his original agenda and it wasn't us.

Here's a question. With Libya about to burn the oil fields who was responsible for our dependence on foreign oil?

 

[slotplayer]

I interpreted your thread to mean that you thought the debate was irrelevant and pointless. I'm sorry for the misread on that one. Thanks for taking the time to clarify - my fault, sorry again. Seems that I have derailed the thread slightly when that is what I was against doing in the first place. Excuse me for that everyone.

I like your thoughts slotplayer. thanks for sharing.

sure no problem. I probabally should of not used the word non-sense.

 

[jetset]

"The two extremes are like tides that ebb and flow. One side pulls too far one way, and then it starts going back the other direction. Who dictates this shift? Most of the people in the middle. In fact, since the two extreme sides will never convince each other, the people in the middle are their actual targets. One the people in the middle start leaning a direction, we're going to go that direction for awhile.

- Keith"


That is a good explanation imo. thank you. It seems to me to be the only way to keep a country of this many people in balance. We all have issues we feel very strongly about but again there has to be balance and that takes compromise. In a free country one of the most idiotic things a person might say is it's my way or the highway. How big of a contradiction is that? lol

I think that Americans can feel safer in having a political system in which there is a strong Opposition (whether Dem or Rep at any particular time) to keep government on its toes and reduce the risk of autocracy.

And one that appears to work pretty well in ensuring a timetable for change at regular intervals and in a generally peaceful and disciplined way.

That said, the influence of money in politicial elections worries me.

 

[footdr]

OMG I never....

I was simply relating an experience, one of many conversations with individuals in the minority I might add.

People keep mentioning an "email", I never spoke of receiving an email so I have no idea what you are talking about.

Of all the posts I have made, I never dreamed this one would cause such a stir. In fact, I after reading all posts I am not even sure what part of my post you are most upset with.

Let it die. Sorry I ever posted it.

 

[jetset]

Thank you for clarifying your position footdr.

Look on the bright side - this has certainly turned out to be a series of lively and interesting political exchanges, and as long as it remains civil I hope it will continue.

 

[Nifty29]

I agree jetset.

I must admit I'm still curious about at how the man graduated college at 11.....

Maybe someone just got their wires crossed.

 

[footdr]

Your Wrong

I am pretty sure you have never in your life invited a 71 year old african american to sit with you, and that's a complete fabrication to give yourself a shred of credibility "oh it wasn't me!!! THE BLACK GUY SAID IT!!"

Perhaps you wouldn't invite a 71 year old to sit with you no matter what their race. As for me, I would and did. In fact, it was actually my son who said hi to him and actually I thought my Son may have golfed with him as he was wearing a golf hat bearing the name of a local Country Club we golf at.
Turns out he was just being friendly, I asked him if he would like to sit down as he was alone. He did and we talked and had margaritas for about an hour.

I have never felt threatened by people like you. I have always taught my children to respect everyone and never allowed them to make any racial slurs. Not that I owe you any explanation to begin with.

sounds as if you find it unbelievable and that meer fact makes me wonder if you are perhaps racist at heart. Otherwise, it wouldn't seem so strange to you.

Dialogue between various races is good. Knowing where we each are coming from and our beliefs will help us all live together and help stop all this racist bull. Political affiliations aren't what makes a person a racist. It is the way they were brought up and their belief that everyone deserves the same respect.

 

[footdr]

PM explaining why some may have been upset with my post....

Footdr.... This may help... or I may misunderstand here but I hope it helps you.......

are you aware that the same post that you made was found at another message board ... word for word?


written by DARBY toward the bottom of the page:

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That is what all the fervor is about.

if you look closely it was not posted by DARBY it was posted by me BY beth115 on 09/14/2010 at 00:52


the poster is listed at the bottom of the comments not the top.

 

[footdr]

Get your facts straight please.....

It is remarkable that someone going by the name of DARBY had the same experience, word for word, last September:

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(scroll down to the 3rd comment).

Darby didn't post it, I did. Darby posted the comment above mine. The name of the poster is listed "AFTER" the comment not before it.

follow your posted link beth115 posted it and that is ME

 

[footdr]

He was in his late teems early 20s

71 year ols gentleman earned a degree in the 50's , 61 years ago? He has to be smart since that would be 11 years old graduate...I may be wrong in my maths if so forgive

do the math again.

 

[footdr]

I am not the liar, go back and check the LINK

True... but there is a difference here.

footdr tried to make everyone believe a lie...

That she/he/it actually had this experience.

That is not the case.
footdr tried to manipulate our sympathy... with a lie. That is deplorable...

And footdr has not even bothered to show back up here and apologize to everyone for trying to mislead us...

I guess footdr is hiding it's head in shame...

How can anyone that has done this kind of thing(Blatantly Lie) be trusted or believed?

It is remarkable that someone going by the name of DARBY had the same experience, word for word, last September:

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(scroll down to the 3rd comment).

beth 115 posted the comment on thehill.com not Darby. Darby posted the link above. beth115 is me!

Don't jump to conclusions without checking the facts for yourself!

 

[footdr]

hahaha

your the jerk. Typical sarcastic, radical comments by someone who has probably never even cared enough to listen to someone's views; especially someone of another race.

 

[footdr]

NO I DIDN'T MAKE IT UP...

Sorry Laurie... I think your wrong this time.

even if she didn't steal it or make it up... It is full of lies and personal smears against good men.


The old black man that graduated High School at 11... and thinks Racism is Bullshit... What an amazing person. So unlike REAL people. ROTFLMAO
I personally never met a Black, Brown, Yellow or Red man in America that didn't know Racism and hate it.


BTW - Reverend Jackson is as much a man of God as Dr. Martin Luther King was. They both served in the same church at the same time, actually Jackson worked for Dr. King and marched along side him many times.

Al Sharpton is a Baptist minister and has been all of his adult life.
Sharpton was licensed and ordained a Pentecostal minister by Bishop F.D. Washington at the age of nine years old, it was a family thing.

Neither of these men have ever been convicted of murder.

I never really liked either of these men or believed as they do. But to smear a person with such lies is beneth contempt... I truly despise people that try to damage and smear good men with lies.

You may not agree with these two men... But they are good men that try to stand up for those that can't stand up for themselves.
Shame on you footdr.


GRRRRR GRRRR WHOOF WHOOF... Anyone that tries to lie or try to bullshit me and I will bite them...


hey footdr... I know your reading this.
You can settle this real fast.
So whats the deal?

Did you steal this story full of hateful lies or did you just make it up yourself?

What possible reason would I have to make up a story, I simply related what he said.. It was him not me that brought up the "good men".I was the one beth115 that made the comment on the hill.com

look it up, check your facts. I don't appreciate being called a liar or being accused of stealing someones comments.

Get a life

 

[footdr]

I have replied to many of the comments....

My last comment is this. Reading the posts I realize what hateful people there are here and that most of you don't really care what another has to say other than to dispute their comment or belittle them. This is probably why so many fail to actually help people when they ask for it and instead make them feel foolish that they needed to ask.

I thank those that took the time to discover who actually posted on "thehill.com". I thank those that were willing to give me the benefit of the doubt that I was rrelating the words of the man I spoke with, including the fact he said he was in college in the 50s.

I related exactly what he said. His words not mine.

I believed it was interesting how this individual viewed the current attack by Democrats on Conservatives and other groups by calling them racist. He believed as I do that labeling the Tea Party and others racists is purely a political ploy.

Agree or disagree that is your choice.

 

[lots0]

My last comment is this. Reading the posts I realize what hateful people there are here and that most of you don't really care what another has to say other than to dispute their comment or belittle them. This is probably why so many fail to actually help people when they ask for it and instead make them feel foolish that they needed to ask.

Am I hateful, because I still believe you lied?


@jet
As far as me carrying on a conversation with with that monkey. As I said it is a waste of my time and I really don't need the aggravation.


When some person starts telling me I don't 'love' my country... Thats ONLY a way to start a fight... and he knows it.

No one is going to change their minds.
As I said before, the propaganda is very powerful when it gets people to go against their own best interests...

@greasmonkey Semper Fi...

 

[Da_Gambla]

@footdr

There's no need, really, to be so offended by something that is so easily explained.

Your original post was from Sept., and someone provided a comment in Feb., which re-started the discussion. I'm not sure if those who questioned your original post realized it was from Sept., but either way, you weren't available to answer those new questions. It happens. When someone doesn't come back to clarify questions, that will lead to new questions about honesty and integrity. That happens, too. None of this was unpredictable, we're all human.

The original post was both politically and racially topical. It can't be surprising that it erupted the way it did, it's actually more surprising that it didn't when posted back in Sept.

The premise set: a wealthy college-educated black man has an opinion about politics and racism that may seem to contradict what one might expect due to the media. That's a minority representation of a minority class. I personally don't find it all that amazing that a minority member who has made lemonade from his lemons runs into a lot less, if not zero, racial roadblocks. The US has shifted towards a more of an economic discrimination mindset rather than a pure racial one.

While there is still lots of base discrimination, it usually doesn't rear its head until it meets up with poverty. A black man who plays golf at a country club, and black woman who is collecting welfare with 4 kids are two completely different political and social realms. That woman is FAR more likely to have a negative opinion about racial stereotyping and/or profiling.

I don't find your story incredible. I find it completely possible, and whether it's a true story or not doesn't really matter. I just see your 'subjective' black man as one of the few who took his education seriously and rose above his expectations. You can find thousands of these examples, but millions remain who did not achieve that social status. His one vote and one opinion doesn't have any exclamation point attached because of his social status. The other millions also have one vote and their own opinions.

- Keith

 

[slotplayer]

The original post was both politically and racially topical. It can't be surprising that it erupted the way it did, it's actually more surprising that it didn't when posted back in Sept.

it was address by me and kauphy after the op was posted.

 

[gaydave]

Am I hateful, because I still believe you lied?


@jet
As far as me carrying on a conversation with with that monkey. As I said it is a waste of my time and I really don't need the aggravation.


When some person starts telling me I don't 'love' my country... Thats ONLY a way to start a fight... and he knows it.

No one is going to change their minds.
As I said before, the propaganda is very powerful when it gets people to go against their own best interests...

@greasmonkey Semper Fi...

I'm sure it is that your just above it all. I'm sure it has nothing to do with getting absolutely pwned and checkmated all through this thread but especially on the one where you just decided to quit having the debate LOL!!!

Timing is everything I guess

and yes, you are hateful in appearance anyways because you immediately dismissed the possibility of footdr having the conversation - that is the type of thinking which just furthers the divide racially in the USA. You stereotyped footdr to be a lying racist. Good job on that.

 

[Brooklyn]

Ok gaydave, so you are jumping on someone because they jumped on someone, kind of hypocritical, no? I don't get it. I don't have a dog in this fight but I feel we are all adults and we should behave in such a way.

 

[lots0]

I'm sure it is that your just above it all.

Actually... I am.

dave... why should I waste time arguing with you?
or greasmonkey... You just spout fox propraganda...

You have no original thoughts or contributions... If I want to know your opinion about a subject, I'll just tune into Fox News...

 

[felicie]

I think that Americans can feel safer in having a political system in which there is a strong Opposition (whether Dem or Rep at any particular time) to keep government on its toes and reduce the risk of autocracy.

And one that appears to work pretty well in ensuring a timetable for change at regular intervals and in a generally peaceful and disciplined way.

That said, the influence of money in politicial elections worries me.

I agree it is worrisome especially since we keep voting in new restrictions on campaign donations and yet it still goes on in incredibly huge amounts.

 

[felicie]

Actually... I am.

dave... why should I waste time arguing with you?
or greasmonkey... You just spout fox propraganda...

You have no original thoughts or contributions... If I want to know your opinion about a subject, I'll just tune into Fox News...

Come on lots0 cut it out. The same could be said about you and the whole American media. Yes conservatives have an idea that they feel is the way to live and it is simple in comparison to the liberal idea of anything goes. And the conservative ideas have been around a hell of a lot longer than Fox news or Rush Limbaugh.

 

[footdr]

As if you have posted any original thought?

Actually... I am.

dave... why should I waste time arguing with you?
or greasmonkey... You just spout fox propraganda...

You have no original thoughts or contributions... If I want to know your opinion about a subject, I'll just tune into Fox News...

So what do you spout? It is definately not statements on why you disagree with others views. It is just the typical badmouthing of others and ridiculous comments about fox news. As if MSNBC is any better than Fox. They are the "lefts" version of Rush L. and Glenn Beck. Just as bad.

Why don't you try posting your views and positions, try something new.

 

[footdr]

Yes

Am I hateful, because I still believe you lied?


@jet
As far as me carrying on a conversation with with that monkey. As I said it is a waste of my time and I really don't need the aggravation.


When some person starts telling me I don't 'love' my country... Thats ONLY a way to start a fight... and he knows it.

No one is going to change their minds.
As I said before, the propaganda is very powerful when it gets people to go against their own best interests...

@greasmonkey Semper Fi...

Sheeple such as you have no original thoughts and provide little if any facts to back up their statements. They just attack everyone who doesn't think the sameway they do.

Thats the way of the Liberals, not moderates or conservatives.

 

[Nifty29]

Sadly, this thread has deteriorated into an insult fest.

Some people need to chill out.

I think its poor form to like or thank posts that directly insult people. If you want all of us to lose the privileges just keep it up.

 

[felicie]

Sadly, this thread has deteriorated into an insult fest.

Some people need to chill out.

I think its poor form to like or thank posts that directly insult people. If you want all of us to lose the privileges just keep it up.

What are you talking about nifty? the last thanks have been you, me and greasemonkey. which of us is doing 'thanks' the wrong way if you'll please tell me. ?

 

[greasemonkey]

Sadly, this thread has deteriorated into an insult fest.

Some people need to chill out.

I think its poor form to like or thank posts that directly insult people. If you want all of us to lose the privileges just keep it up.

April fools is not for another month Nifty. nice try though

Seriously, though... relax, we are adults and if I want to thank someone or like a post I will do it. I don't need a hall monitor.

 

[Nifty29]

Sorry felicie it was the like button I was referring to and i certainly wasn't directing at you.

GM I wasnt telling you want you can and cant do. Get a grip.

I was referring to Bryans post earlier about misusing the like/thank privilege. Go read it and you will know what i mean.

The reason I'm getting involved is because Bryan has said previously that he will withdraw such privileges if members cannot use them responsibly. I'm not prepared to lose mine because some inconsiderate people want to use them as high fives when someone is personally insulted. Sorry but there's nothing adult about that kind of behaviour.

 

[Jasminebed]

Okay, I admit I have failed to read three more pages of responses But if footdr says that's her experience and her food court company's words, I'm willing to believe the story is true, without agreeing with either parties' political outlooks.

I've talked with a lot of people from a lot of walks of lifes, but I rarely get so nosey on early acquaintance.

I'd be more like to bond with a 71 year old about the young folks need to pull up their pants, no matter their race. I saw a 55 year old yesterday who should pull up his pants.

 

[jetset]

I agree it is worrisome especially since we keep voting in new restrictions on campaign donations and yet it still goes on in incredibly huge amounts.

Caps on campaign contributions are a start, but the influence of big money goes deeper than that in politics generally, imo....and whilst I'm a realist and understand how these things work, it remains unpalatable to me.

Pork barrel or party agenda politicking, often applied to the detriment of well-intentioned and practical legislation is one of my biggest frustrations when following a process.

A revision of the system to obviate as much of that as is possible would be a good thing imv.

And the practice of attaching unrelated bills to the coat tails of bills more likely to pass would perhaps be a good start, too

 

[chillywilly]

Oh for goodness sakes. This is why I'm a libertarian. All I want is a smaller government. I keep my emotions to myself. Get a grip everyone.

 

[The Dude]

Admin note - mobbing

I've shut off the "thanking" and "likes" system for the entire board. It seems like a few undisciplined members want to ruin it for the whole lot. Sorry, but you were warned.

 

[ksech]

I find it extremely upsetting that some respected members of this forum were in such a hurry to help form a lynch mob against another respected member. Notice, a keyword was some, I've noticed in thread after thread how a few seem it's their "right" to demean, belittle, and completely come off as no others know anything if they happen to disagree. Last I knew there was only one Bryan Bailey (CM) and to see members take the stance that their self-importance is more than others is revolting. Kind of glad I haven't been able to post much lately, there are a distinct few who totally ruin the efforts of having a good debate without the male testosterone appearing.

Just my two cents, carry on all...