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ksech I find it extremely upsetting that some respected members of this forum were in such a hurry to help form a lynch mob against another respected member. Notice, a keyword was some,

I've noticed in thread after thread how a few seem it's their "right" to demean, belittle, and completely come off as no others know anything if they happen to disagree

. Last I knew there was only one Bryan Bailey (CM) and to see

members take the stance that their self-importance is more than others is revolting.

Kind of glad I haven't been able to post much lately, there are a distinct few who totally ruin the efforts of having a good debate without the male testosterone appearing.

Just my two cents, carry on all...
Old Attachment (Invalid) I agree totally BUTTON.

Thank you kesch for confirming and speaking the same things I have been seeing and speaking for a while now. Strange, that you would bring this up at this time, because I thought I was of the minority with these thoughts and I actually wrote Bryan last night about this exact same thing, before you posted.

So now I know others are being affected by what is happening, not just me. It is nice to see I am not quite so alone with these observations.

The undelined statement is what I most completely agree with. Again, thank you for seeing and your input on an ongoing problem that has been allowed to fester in this forum for way too long.


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Sorry felicie it was the like button I was referring to and i certainly wasn't directing at you.

GM I wasnt telling you want you can and cant do. Get a grip.

I was referring to Bryans post earlier about misusing the like/thank privilege. Go read it and you will know what i mean.

The reason I'm getting involved is because Bryan has said previously that he will withdraw such privileges if members cannot use them responsibly. I'm not prepared to lose mine because some inconsiderate people want to use them as high fives when someone is personally insulted. Sorry but there's nothing adult about that kind of behaviour.


Thanks I read you now. :)
 
Okay, I admit I have failed to read three more pages of responses But if footdr says that's her experience and her food court company's words, I'm willing to believe the story is true, without agreeing with either parties' political outlooks.

I've talked with a lot of people from a lot of walks of lifes, but I rarely get so nosey on early acquaintance.

I'd be more like to bond with a 71 year old about the young folks need to pull up their pants, no matter their race. I saw a 55 year old yesterday who should pull up his pants.


No kidding LOL. Recently I was standing out front talking to the gardener and these 2 kids like about 15 or 16 were walking down the street and as they went by it suddenly occurred to me one of them had his pants down to his ankles. He was covered well by his long tee shirt and the man I was talking to looked at the kid then looked at me, shrugged and kept talking so I yelled hey pull those pants up! What the hell kind of neighborhood do you think this is? He said sorry then pulled up his pants and continued on his way. I'm just glad my daughter is too old now to want to date him.:rolleyes:

Political outlooks makes for a good detour sometimes though don't you think? :)
 
No kidding LOL. Recently I was standing out front talking to the gardener and these 2 kids like about 15 or 16 were walking down the street and as they went by it suddenly occurred to me one of them had his pants down to his ankles. He was covered well by his long tee shirt and the man I was talking to looked at the kid then looked at me, shrugged and kept talking so I yelled hey pull those pants up! What the hell kind of neighborhood do you think this is? He said sorry then pulled up his pants and continued on his way. I'm just glad my daughter is too old now to want to date him.:rolleyes:

Political outlooks makes for a good detour sometimes though don't you think? :)

Hmmm.

When I walk around like that my daughter tells me I look like a hobo....
 
Hmmm.

When I walk around like that my daughter tells me I look like a hobo....


Yeah they're real fast at telling us how We look but try and tell them how They look and all hell breaks loose. My girl told me I couldn't take her to school anymore cause I wore my pajamas. I said well don't get me up so dang early. Go to school at noon or so and I'll look great. LOL
 
lol felicie, my kids are so embarrassed...who cares if I wear neon green sleep pants to the crosswalk? I don't, so neither should they. :lolup:
 
I find it extremely upsetting that some respected members of this forum were in such a hurry to help form a lynch mob against another respected member. Notice, a keyword was some, I've noticed in thread after thread how a few seem it's their "right" to demean, belittle, and completely come off as no others know anything if they happen to disagree. Last I knew there was only one Bryan Bailey (CM) and to see members take the stance that their self-importance is more than others is revolting. Kind of glad I haven't been able to post much lately, there are a distinct few who totally ruin the efforts of having a good debate without the male testosterone appearing.

Just my two cents, carry on all...

seeing we had r thank yous taken away i will say thank you this way.

thank you ksech for your post.
 
No kidding LOL. Recently I was standing out front talking to the gardener and these 2 kids like about 15 or 16 were walking down the street and as they went by it suddenly occurred to me one of them had his pants down to his ankles. He was covered well by his long tee shirt and the man I was talking to looked at the kid then looked at me, shrugged and kept talking so I yelled hey pull those pants up! What the hell kind of neighborhood do you think this is? He said sorry then pulled up his pants and continued on his way. I'm just glad my daughter is too old now to want to date him.:rolleyes:

Political outlooks makes for a good detour sometimes though don't you think? :)

lol felicie you would do that without thinking that that kid could have been a gangbager and turned around and shot you.


lol i,m glad he did,nt what would we do without r felicie.:D
 
sounds as if you find it unbelievable and that meer fact makes me wonder if you are perhaps racist at heart. Otherwise, it wouldn't seem so strange to you.

Dialogue between various races is good. Knowing where we each are coming from and our beliefs will help us all live together and help stop all this racist bull. Political affiliations aren't what makes a person a racist. It is the way they were brought up and their belief that everyone deserves the same respect.

edit: I'm just going to drop this, I've already made clear i think it was invented, and I'm not going to be lectured about race relations from someone like footdr, lol.
 
edit: I'm just going to drop this, I've already made clear i think it was invented, and I'm not going to be lectured about race relations from someone like footdr, lol.


Perhaps you need to be. It certainly appears that way.

It would have been more appropriate to simply apologize for your apparent wrong take on this. Rather you opted to still cast doubt when you are the one that should be doubted. Such is the leftist way I suppose:rolleyes:
 
Perhaps you need to be. It certainly appears that way.

It would have been more appropriate to simply apologize for your apparent wrong take on this. Rather you opted to still cast doubt when you are the one that should be doubted. Such is the leftist way I suppose:rolleyes:

Guess it's the right wing way to stick your fingers in your ears and say "nyahnyahnyahnyah" when confronted with anything that challenges your narrow view of the world.

Keep on truckin'
 
would you post your experience if it was pro Sharpton, Jackson and Obama?

He forgot to mention it was Michael Steele, clearly. Seriously doubt the experiences of a 71 year old golfing it up at a country club are going to remotely mirror the experiences of most African Americans.....

(even if the story wasn't an invention that is).
 
I believed it was interesting how this individual viewed the current attack by Democrats on Conservatives and other groups by calling them racist. He believed as I do that labeling the Tea Party and others racists is purely a political ploy.

Agree or disagree that is your choice.

The tea party has direct ties to white separatist/nationalist organizations, and has been plagued by local leadership posting directly racist and bigoted statements since pretty much its inception. It's timing in its emergence as an almost entirely white super nationalist overly funded political organization that focuses on trying to undermine the legitimacy of a newly elected black president under the pretense of "reclaiming the country" or "taking back the government" when they sat on their hands during the administration (GWB's) that was by far the most responsible for the increase of government itself, the government's spending and intrusion of government into people's private lives is not a simple coincidence no matter how much you want to pretend it to be so.

Why is it that suddenly under a black president suddenly the USA's citizens suddenly feel so disenfranchised as citizens and suddenly feel the country is going the wrong direction after watching Glenn Beck talk about Obama's deep seated hatred of white people? After listening to Limbaugh play Barack the Magic Negro for the 15th time on his show? After being told by Sarah Palin that the government is going to create death panels to decide on who will live or die?

So let's be completely intellectually honest and talk about the unbiased, non-partisan non-debatable things that happened under the Bush administration that you'd think the Tea Party were it truly focused on government spending and waste would have had a field day with under the Bush administration:

Two wars with no budget provision to pay for them (The more costly Iraq war of course being waged on a false premise with reasoning that had been debunked by the intelligence organizations of every country including our own that had any amount of surveillance or intelligence on Iraq and still has no justification to this day).
Refusal to ever add any war expenditures to the budget, instead using supplemental deficit spending which inflated our national deficit.
Massive prescription drug entitlement with no provision to pay for them.
Tax cut that disproportionately favored the wealthy with no provision to pay for it (in the middle of doing the first three things, btw, the first time a president has cut taxes during war in the history of the nation).
700 billion government "bail out" TARP fund that became essentially a mess of a slush fund that acquired little to no assets and was almost universally abused under the previous administration before being reformed under Obama (for example, limiting federal funds from being used for executive compensation).

And now people are up in arms because of Obama's legislative undertaking?

Why, because he created a national health care program that not only does not increae the deficit but actually reduces the national deficit as agreed upon by both left and right wing economists and the non-partisan CBO by 143 billion over the first decade and by 1.2 trillion in the second decade?
Because every piece of legislation or program he's proposed aside from his two stimulus programs has spelled out how its paid for?
Because he actually put war and defense spending on his budget and asked congress to figure out how we were actually going to pay for it by making other cuts?
Because he proposed stimulus spending that was an extension of the stimulus spending already authorized by George W. Bush, endorsed by 6 laureates in Nobel prizes for economics, and analyzed by nearly every financial firm as being far better for the economy than taking little or no action?

Please, with that.

No one is claiming that anyone who joins the tea party immediately becomes a racist, but the motives of people claiming that there is no element of racism, bigotry or other race related motive of a substantial percentage of people involved in the Tea Party is basically just outright denial of reality. There is plenty of documented racist signs, and screaming at demonstrations, I've already posted them in one thread, but honestly just google tea party racism on google images, its pretty easy to find examples.

More troubling is the passive-aggressive racial insults and insinuations that are in vogue. Everyone is focused on overt and obvious insults like the n word, but ffs we have Limbaugh on one of the most listened to radio shows playing "Barack the Magic Negro" we have tea party reps coming on facebook and talking about shooting Mexicans and other immigrants, we have a seated senator seriously suggesting bringing back "literacy and civics tests" as a requirement to vote, the exact same tactic that was used continuously in the south to deny blacks the right to vote until the passage of the Civil Rights Act. I have been called the n word more than once in my life. You can dress up the n word in whatever creative way you want... "Magic Negro" one week "Chief Mullah" another) however you want to try and pretend its not that, but its still the n word when you are using it as a derogatory reference toward someone's race which has become the right wing theme since 2008.

All of this is documented, I mean if you are a right wing apologist you don't care about how documented it is, you are probably just going to object indignantly that anyone would call every conservative racist (nevermind that that was never the argument that anyone has ever made) but here you go:

John Lewis, a civil rights legend was actually taunted by tea partiers and called the n word several times recorded on video. You can youtube it.

I mean, ffs, house republicans have had to do damage control by denouncing the racist remarks made toward democrats by tea partiers:

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Again, and let me be specific because it seems like a really common theme in this thread to present a false argument that all dems think that all republicans/tea partiers/conservatives/anyone who disagrees with them is racist, and that is not true.

So yeah, let's clear up my opinion on right wing organizations and racism:


Criticizing the president or democrats doesn't make you a racist.
Being a republican doesn't make you a racist.
Being a conservative doesn't make you a racist.
Being a tea partier doesn't make you a racist.

The sheer amount of racially motivated rhetoric and vitriol that has been spewed from Tea Party and right wing organizations since Obama has taken control of the white house DOES make substantial portions of those who follow these organizations racist. The refusal by those members who do not make, believe or agree with these statements to acknowledge the racist fringe that is omnipresent in right wing organizations across the country at this moment, or excuse clearly racist and bigoted statements is at best cowardly and at worst racist in and of itself.

So if you're not a racist, good for you. That's a start. Now its up to you to confront the elements in your party that are and make it apparent that its unacceptable. It is a transparent and obvious element in your community, its appalling and when you ignore it you accept it.
 
Just like most of your posts I find myself wondering why you post so many contentious ideals and thoughts without valid proof, yet you would accuse footdr of blatantly lying of her own experience. You also said that you wouldn't listen to anything to do with race "from someone like footdr". Why is that? what do you mean "someone like"? that sounds insulting. Do you know footdr? ever spoken with her? Then where do you get off judging her like that? You are inferring and assuming racism from her. It is contemptable that you would cry about racism then show it right to her... since she is white and wants to speak on racism you won't believe her story nor take any credence in her opinion. How ridiculous is that? How hypocritical?

Your barking up the wrong tree. People don't give a crap about Obama's race that are against his policies. It wouldn't matter if he were black,white, asian, hispanic or martian. who cares? its his POLICY. you don't want to accept that but its the truth. Actually, the supporters of Obama and the left care MUCH MORE about race than the right. The proof is in how much the left dwells on it. I don't want to get into a "race' argument because race means nothing. Not more than Height or weight or elbow size or hair texture. But I will point out some absurdities of your claims.


The tea party has direct ties to white separatist/nationalist organizations, and has been plagued by local leadership posting directly racist and bigoted statements since pretty much its inception.


Can you show PROOF of these "direct ties"? Please show video of the leaders of the tea party being racist. I could show you direct ties of obama being racist if you want to play that game. I could show you his pastor of 20 years being vehemently racist. I could show you Van Jones (his appointed cabinet member) being vehemently racist.... if you have no proof then you shouldn't be spewing things like this.


It's timing in its emergence as an almost entirely white super nationalist overly funded political organization that focuses on trying to undermine the legitimacy of a newly elected black president under the pretense of "reclaiming the country" or "taking back the government"

Proof please. In video format please. I want to see it for myself. I want proof that white supremacists are funding this as a political movement. As far as any "proof" goes, this started out as a grass roots movement and has absolutely NOTHING to do with race. It has to do with TAXATION and freedoms. YOU think it has to do with race. Some proof is needed to validate your points, otherwise you sound like a babbling race baiter.
....Although, I COULD give you video proof of many Obama supporters being happy that "a black man" is in office, regardless of his policy. Who is racist here?
96% of black votes went to obama
45% of white votes went to obama.

so whites were nearly 50/50 as an entirety in voting for obama but blacks voted for him by a 96-4 margin.

Want more? How about Black panthers showing up at voting stations and intimidating voters ? You never heard of that happening with the kkk or any such thing.

AGAIN, you make an assertion but really the opposite is more true.




Why is it that suddenly under a black president suddenly the USA's citizens suddenly feel so disenfranchised as citizens and suddenly feel the country is going the wrong direction

AGAIN, nothing to do with race. it has to do with economic policies. People already in a free market society do not want socialism. Obama's platform eschews socialism. Raising of taxes, raising of social spending, more redistribution.... THAT is what people want to avoid. His skin color doesn't matter or these people WOULDNT HAVE VOTED FOR HIM in the first place.









The sheer amount of racially motivated rhetoric and vitriol that has been spewed from Tea Party and right wing organizations since Obama has taken control of the white house DOES make substantial portions of those who follow these organizations racist.

That is wrong. But then if that is your assertion that means that all of the racially motivated rhetoric and vitriol spewed by the left makes most people on the left racist also, correct? So the left is as much or likely more racist than the right? They certainly do talk about race A LOT MORE on the left. Don't you?

So if you're not a racist, good for you.
And if your not then good for you also. It would be a start.

Now its up to you,bbkpoker, to confront the elements in your party that are and make it apparent that its unacceptable. It is a transparent and obvious element in your community, its appalling and when you ignore it you accept it.
 
I have linked and posted videos of pretty much everything I have ever claimed in here from non-partisan news sources. Read the medicare thread, and all of the links I posted that supported my assertions.

Your links tend to be from partisan organizations/think tanks, but when reality is on your side you don't need those to support your argument because there's a plethora of information.

I find it incredibly interesting that you didn't even bother responding with any amount of substance to the question of why the tea party is emerging now. You mentioned Obama's policies but you haven't even mentioned which ones are objectionable, and I covered all of the major spending bills that have been proposed under his administration compared to Bush's. Frankly, the tone of your post sounds like blind partisan hysteria, so why don't you respond to the questions I posted in my first few paragraphs? I'll happily respond to yours:
 
lol felicie you would do that without thinking that that kid could have been a gangbager and turned around and shot you.


lol i,m glad he did,nt what would we do without r felicie.:D

Not on my street thank God. Years ago we had a couple of gang bangers on this street. Kids of kids I grew up with. They harassed some neighbors but always left us alone and one of them told me right after my dad died that my dad had treated him so great when he was younger letting him borrow his tools and stuff so I think that's why they never bothered us or our property.
 
Can you show PROOF of these "direct ties"? Please show video of the leaders of the tea party being racist.

Here are some examples of white nationalist organizations ties to the tea party.

1.) White nationalist organization that explicitly states its mission is to join tea parties to push their separatist agenda
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2.) Stormfront.org the largest white nationalist website in multiple threads encourages its members to join the Tea Party. You can spend 10 minutes reading threads in its political forums, but this is a decent article that talks about its promotion of the Tea Party:

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3.) Steve Smith a chairman of a white Nationalist organization the American Third Position has described the tea party demonstrations as "fertile ground for our activists". This same organization has run vocally racist/separatist politicians for various state offices. Examples are Ryan Murdough, Harry Bertram and Jamie Kelso.

4.) Here is a picture of the president and founder of teaparty.org Dale Robertson at a Tea Party protest:

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I could go on if you don't find the above convincing enough and we can go through the motion of following where white nationalists money goes in terms of support for political candidates :)

Proof please. In video format please.

I actually spent some time trying to find video of it, but haven't found it yet. It has been confirmed from numerous politicians including democrats and republicans including Minority Whip Eric Cantor who denounced the tea party's racist attacks as well as their homophobic slurs at Barney Frank.

I do have Cleaver being spat on by a tea party protester

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....Although, I COULD give you video proof of many Obama supporters being happy that "a black man" is in office, regardless of his policy. Who is racist here?
96% of black votes went to obama
45% of white votes went to obama.

so whites were nearly 50/50 as an entirety in voting for obama but blacks voted for him by a 96-4 margin.


LOL, I always find this tired argument completely hilarious. It's a false conclusions. I'm not saying that there are no african americans who might have voted republican but voted for Obama due to his historic nomination, but let's be clear, blacks predominantly voted for Obama because blacks predominantly vote for DEMOCRATS not because they vote predominantly for blacks.

Clinton carried 88% and 89% of the black vote in his two presidential campaigns. John Kerry carried 88%. 91% voted for Al Gore.

But let's debunk this myth further: Lynn Swan probably the most prominent black republican since J.C Watts ran in Pennsylvania for the governorship in 2006 and received only 13% of the black vote.


Want more? How about Black panthers showing up at voting stations and intimidating voters ? You never heard of that happening with the kkk or any such thing.

I mean considering I'm linking and documenting everything I've asserted, let's see your explanation. FWIW, republicans have a long history of trying to suppress the minority vote, in fact we've had to legislated it to prevent it from happening.

You're basing your claim of "the opposite is true" based on one or two isolated new black panther intimidation cases, but let's talk about the republican attempt at suppressing the minority vote which is far more widespread and better documented. I'm sorry but you can't take one or two incidents and come to some radical conclusion that whites are somehow more intimidated from voting than minorities, something that has been a documented issue in every election for centuries.

"poll watchers" are regularly recruited and paid for by republican candidates. Poll watchers are not allowed to converse at all with voters, but there are mutliple reports of trying to block access to voting places, disrupt voting, watch minority voters cast ballots, and talk to voters and election workers while being confrontational and hostile.

Republican organizations use false robo calls pretending to be democratic candidates to harass people to try and anger them and prevent them from voting:

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Republican organizations use robo calls targetting minorities to tell them false information including incorrect polling times and locations, that the elections have already been decided, or that they need proof of home ownership to vote:

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Here are some other links regarding tea party intimidation of minority voters:

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it has to do with economic policies. People already in a free market society do not want socialism.

Again, I've challenged you to compare and contrast the policies of GWB with those of Obama and explain why this surprisingly well funded organization popped up under the Obama administration when Bush's economic policies were far more destructive to the American economy and intrusive on the American citizen.

You talk about raising taxes.... do you even realize that the current tax rate is LOWER than it was under the Reagan administration for ALL tax brackets?

And it goes on and on.

Here's another tea party gem:

teapartytweet.jpg
 
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Here are some examples of white nationalist organizations ties to the tea party.

1.) White nationalist organization that explicitly states its mission is to join tea parties to push their separatist agenda
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.


2.) Stormfront.org the largest white nationalist website in multiple threads encourages its members to join the Tea Party. You can spend 10 minutes reading threads in its political forums, but this is a decent article that talks about its promotion of the Tea Party:

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3.) Steve Smith a chairman of a white Nationalist organization the American Third Position has described the tea party demonstrations as "fertile ground for our activists". This same organization has run vocally racist/separatist politicians for various state offices. Examples are Ryan Murdough, Harry Bertram and Jamie Kelso.

4.) Here is a picture of the president and founder of teaparty.org Dale Robertson at a Tea Party protest:

photo-tea-bagger-with-n-word-300.jpg


I could go on if you don't find the above convincing enough and we can go through the motion of following where white nationalists money goes in terms of support for political candidates :)



I actually spent some time trying to find video of it, but haven't found it yet. It has been confirmed from numerous politicians including democrats and republicans including Minority Whip Eric Cantor who denounced the tea party's racist attacks as well as their homophobic slurs at Barney Frank.

I do have Cleaver being spat on by a tea party protester

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LOL, I always find this tired argument completely hilarious. It's a false conclusions. I'm not saying that there are no african americans who might have voted republican but voted for Obama due to his historic nomination, but let's be clear, blacks predominantly voted for Obama because blacks predominantly vote for DEMOCRATS not because they vote predominantly for blacks.

Clinton carried 88% and 89% of the black vote in his two presidential campaigns. John Kerry carried 88%. 91% voted for Al Gore.

But let's debunk this myth further: Lynn Swan probably the most prominent black republican since J.C Watts ran in Pennsylvania for the governorship in 2006 and received only 13% of the black vote.




I mean considering I'm linking and documenting everything I've asserted, let's see your explanation. FWIW, republicans have a long history of trying to suppress the minority vote, in fact we've had to legislated it to prevent it from happening.

You're basing your claim of "the opposite is true" based on one or two isolated new black panther intimidation cases, but let's talk about the republican attempt at suppressing the minority vote which is far more widespread and better documented. I'm sorry but you can't take one or two incidents and come to some radical conclusion that whites are somehow more intimidated from voting than minorities, something that has been a documented issue in every election for centuries.

"poll watchers" are regularly recruited and paid for by republican candidates. Poll watchers are not allowed to converse at all with voters, but there are mutliple reports of trying to block access to voting places, disrupt voting, watch minority voters cast ballots, and talk to voters and election workers while being confrontational and hostile.

Republican organizations use false robo calls pretending to be democratic candidates to harass people to try and anger them and prevent them from voting:

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Republican organizations use robo calls targetting minorities to tell them false information including incorrect polling times and locations, that the elections have already been decided, or that they need proof of home ownership to vote:

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Here are some other links regarding tea party intimidation of minority voters:

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Again, I've challenged you to compare and contrast the policies of GWB with those of Obama and explain why this surprisingly well funded organization popped up under the Obama administration when Bush's economic policies were far more destructive to the American economy and intrusive on the American citizen.

You talk about raising taxes.... do you even realize that the current tax rate is LOWER than it was under the Reagan administration for ALL tax brackets?

And it goes on and on.

Here's another tea party gem:

teapartytweet.jpg



What you've got are a bunch of extreme idiots that talk the loudest and say they want to Join with the party not anything else. The real people involved in the Tea Party are like my relatives back east. Just hardworking Americans trying to raise families and mind their own business and they are sick and tired of the way this country has been heading for too long now. They are NOT racists and being from New England, they hold very dear the total history of this country and what made it great. I am from there also and feel the same way and for you to spew all this hate around because you do not agree with them is bullshit. I've been on the Constitution and Old Ironsides and I also know what green the shot heard round the world was fired from. I've been up Beacon Hill and to the North Church and could go on and on and thru all that if nothing else will please you even know that these were the kind of people that fought a war against slavery you ignorant acting so-in-so. '
Quit with all the hate man you're barking up the wrong tree. :mad:
 
What you've got are a bunch of extreme idiots that talk the loudest and say they want to Join with the party not anything else. The real people involved in the Tea Party are like my relatives back east. Just hardworking Americans trying to raise families and mind their own business and they are sick and tired of the way this country has been heading for too long now.

Okay, so the president and founder of teaparty.org is not a "real" tea partier?

:what:

Again, being in the tea party doesn't make you a racist, but making excuses for the ubiquitous racist element is pathetic.
 
What you've got are a bunch of extreme idiots that talk the loudest and say they want to Join with the party not anything else. The real people involved in the Tea Party are like my relatives back east. Just hardworking Americans trying to raise families and mind their own business and they are sick and tired of the way this country has been heading for too long now. They are NOT racists and being from New England, they hold very dear the total history of this country and what made it great. I am from there also and feel the same way and for you to spew all this hate around because you do not agree with them is bullshit. I've been on the Constitution and Old Ironsides and I also know what green the shot heard round the world was fired from. I've been up Beacon Hill and to the North Church and could go on and on and thru all that if nothing else will please you even know that these were the kind of people that fought a war against slavery you ignorant acting so-in-so. '
Quit with all the hate man you're barking up the wrong tree. :mad:

Born and raised 8 miles from Boston.
right now I'm only 3 miles from Lexington and every day I walk by a plaque that say "George Washington passed way". Use to have one in my yard back in my junior high days. It does give one a sense of pride. If I'm not mistaked one of the first if not the first 2008 tea party movements was a mock tv party in Boston Harbor.

ok enough of me wrapping myself in the flag, God don't ya just hate people that do that.

So let's be completely intellectually honest and talk about the unbiased, non-partisan non-debatable things that happened under the Bush administration that you'd think the Tea Party were it truly focused on government spending and waste would have had a field day with under the Bush administration:

This is just one of those "straw that broke the camel's back" things. After Tarp, the stimulus and other bailouts the folks just got fed up. The folks put up with the Bush 5 trillion spending and had Bush spend little and Obama spend 3 trillion they probabally still would have been idle, but when you have two big spenders back to back over a decade the folks said enough is enough. Just the way I see it.
 
Okay, so the president and founder of teaparty.org is not a "real" tea partier?

:what:

Again, being in the tea party doesn't make you a racist, but making excuses for the ubiquitous racist element is pathetic.


:DOh it's everywhere alright. Maybe even in the United Negro College Fund or Black History Month but I am sure you guys have covered all of that already so I'll just leave you with this. What's the 'asian' in Caucasian for? :D
 
:DOh it's everywhere alright. Maybe even in the United Negro College Fund or Black History Month but I am sure you guys have covered all of that already so I'll just leave you with this. What's the 'asian' in Caucasian for? :D

God, nevermind, you are just hopelessly in denial

YEAH THERES NO RACISM IN THE TEA PARTY EXCEPT FOR THE PRESIDENT OF TEAPARTY.ORG HOLDING UP A SIGN THAT SAYS NIGGAR.

I mean are you even listening to yourself?

Black history month? The United Negro College fund? Are you seriously comparing this with holding up a sign of a cariacture morphing Obama into a monkey or with easily the most offensive racial epithet invented?

Seriously, are you really apologizing for these bigoted, racist idiots because you are so stubborn you can't admit you are wrong on the internet or because you agree with them?
 
I must admit I'm enjoying this discussion now that the personal stuff has taken a back seat. :)

The topic of spending seems to come up a lot in this thread. Would anyone take a stab at how much the Iraq invasion has cost? I wonder how much better the US health system would be if that amount had been spent there instead? Or in law and order? Or education?

I'm interested in the view of US citizens and how it compares with the rest of the world?
 
I must admit I'm enjoying this discussion now that the personal stuff has taken a back seat. :)

The topic of spending seems to come up a lot in this thread. Would anyone take a stab at how much the Iraq invasion has cost? I wonder how much better the US health system would be if that amount had been spent there instead? Or in law and order? Or education?

I'm interested in the view of US citizens and how it compares with the rest of the world?


Why would you ask a bunch of racists like us? :rolleyes: I wish I'd stayed in the back seat. LOL See ya!
 
God, nevermind, you are just hopelessly in denial

YEAH THERES NO RACISM IN THE TEA PARTY EXCEPT FOR THE PRESIDENT OF TEAPARTY.ORG HOLDING UP A SIGN THAT SAYS NIGGAR.

I mean are you even listening to yourself?

Black history month? The United Negro College fund? Are you seriously comparing this with holding up a sign of a cariacture morphing Obama into a monkey or with easily the most offensive racial epithet invented?

Seriously, are you really apologizing for these bigoted, racist idiots because you are so stubborn you can't admit you are wrong on the internet or because you agree with them?

You are so blatantly full of hate it shines through. You are so ultimately fixated on race it is hilarious. You are the one that must be racist, you can't quit accusing people of it. You are so sure Footdr is a closet racist that you wont even read her posts correctly.

That is one of the things that you leftists do. you scream "racist" at people. Hell, you even did it to Bill Clinton! LOL! When he campaigned for his wife and said anything bad about obama he was immediately labled a racist. Guess what buddy? Obama's socialist policies are what people don't like. Not many people that oppose him give a crap about his skin color. YOU DO!!! That is for sure, you are so entranced by race and color but guess what? The majority of us are not.

And the worst part is that you are so fixated on race and racism (as you are guessing it to be) on the right, that you totally ignore in your posts the obvious racism on the left. I have not heard you say one condemning word about jesse jackson for example.

By the way, ever hear of photoshop? That is what the leader of the tea party claims. YOU WONT BELIEVE It cuz you dont WANT TO beleive it. You need this "racism" thing to lean on and make excuses about. Here are some more of your photo. Next time someone asks you for actual proof of racism you should come up with something better than that.

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Do you REALLY think that your pictures are proof? Do you really? How amazing yet not surprising from you. here are some more photoshop jobs buddy. Maybe a racist from the left made them;


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IMO, someone here is carrying a HUGE racial chip on their shoulder and they are the only one who keeps pushing racism to the forefront with each and every post. Why the rest continue to try to turn the debate is beyond me. This poster has tunnel vision so bad, they will never see the light.

Since I've already been called a racist and ignorant, try this one on for size...
I was born in Seoul South Korea in 1960 to a black soldier and a korean woman. I was abandoned and put up for adoption (adopted by a WHITE family). I have been a citizen of the US for 49 1/2 yrs. Many want to turn their heads and say prejudice does not exist, it does!

One of my earliest memories of racism happened when I was 5 yrs old. My mother loved parades so we went to Binghamton for the annual Veterans day parade. A man standing next to us looked down on me and spate in my face. He told my mother she was a disgrace to white people allowing a slant eyed nigger to reside in her home (sorry!, I would NEVER use those words, but need to make the point), we left the parade...

So, the next time you want to call a person, you DON'T know anything about, a racist, a liar and ignorant, try looking in the mirror...
 
I must admit I'm enjoying this discussion now that the personal stuff has taken a back seat. :)

The topic of spending seems to come up a lot in this thread. Would anyone take a stab at how much the Iraq invasion has cost? I wonder how much better the US health system would be if that amount had been spent there instead? Or in law and order? Or education?

I'm interested in the view of US citizens and how it compares with the rest of the world?

the wars hit a trillion+ jan 2010 with about 3/4 spent on Iraq. No idea what it is now. Although I heard someone reliable say a few times 2 billion but I can't remember if it was a day or a week. I googled and it is 2 billion a week.

But that's funny, the USA investing in law and order or education or oil independency. This is a capitalist country and money trumps all. Money is more important than human life, more so on the right.

The media and politicians keep the fringe groups (as evident by this thread) fighting over which bilge pump to use while the fucken ship is sinking.
 
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The media and politicians keep the fringe groups (as evident by this thread) fighting over which bilge pump to use while the fucken ship is sinking.
That is the best thing I have read in this thread.

Believe it or not, there are many people in this world that want nothing more than to bring America to it's knees and many of them actually live in America and feed off of us as they work to bring us down.

We allow virtually uncontrolled foreign ownership of our news media... So when Fox or ABC or NBC are owned and controlled by the Communist Chinese Government, or by some other Foreign Born America Hater (Rupert Murdock)... the propaganda they spew that keeps us divided, becomes the main tool to bring us all down.

United we stand... Divided we fall...
 
Where are the "thanks" buttons?
I have been sort of away the last few weeks so maybe I missed something?

Anyway just wanted to "thank" lots0 for the post above...(and avoid posting in this thread otherwise!;) ).
 
Nifty and Slotplayer regrding the war costs:

Slotplayer, you may very well know the exact facts on this, I cannot remember them off hand but I do remember that the USSR got themselves in all kinds of financial trouble because of their afghan war in the 70s and 80s. It had lasted for a long number of years and was costing that govt tons of money and weakening them as a country. Many in our media kinda made light of how stupid they were for caring so much about afhganistan and also for wasting so much money on a "non winnable" war. This is eerily similar IMO. The things we could do with that money regarding our deficit and such..............

Nifty, I think you make a great point/question. Interestingly it would seem that we throw a ton of money at some of those things like education. We just mismanage it so badly. That is what some of this is about in Wisconsin with that standoff. Regarding goodwill type of things, American Wealthy contribute much more to charities than their counterparts in other countries. In doing so much goes to churches and overseas to Tsunami victims and starving children rather than as charitable contributions to a school or some such thing. So I don't believe that American wealthy are blind with lust for more money and greed. I think that they give to what charities move them personally. In other countries they stand back and expect the govt to handle it a bit more than taking matters into their own hands via charities and fundraising. Much of this is because some govts just confiscate it already taking the want to be charitable away.
 
I must admit I'm enjoying this discussion now that the personal stuff has taken a back seat. :)

The topic of spending seems to come up a lot in this thread. Would anyone take a stab at how much the Iraq invasion has cost? I wonder how much better the US health system would be if that amount had been spent there instead? Or in law and order? Or education?

I'm interested in the view of US citizens and how it compares with the rest of the world?


Yes and I wanted to know who was responsible for our dependence on foreign oil now that Libya is threatening to burn it all up. :)
 
Yes and I wanted to know who was responsible for our dependence on foreign oil now that Libya is threatening to burn it all up. :)
All of us in America.

The Politicos that have been telling us for 35+ years that we needed to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and at the same time capping wells in the USA and passing laws making us more dependant. In other words making "oil men" President after President sure as hell don't help much.

But mostly the blame is on ourselves for not holding those same politicos accountable for not doing what needed to be done whail they were stuffing their pockets full of oil money.
 
That is the best thing I have read in this thread.

Believe it or not, there are many people in this world that want nothing more than to bring America to it's knees and many of them actually live in America and feed off of us as they work to bring us down.

We allow virtually uncontrolled foreign ownership of our news media... So when Fox or ABC or NBC are owned and controlled by the Communist Chinese Government, or by some other Foreign Born America Hater (Rupert Murdock)... the propaganda they spew that keeps us divided, becomes the main tool to bring us all down.

United we stand... Divided we fall...


Wait a minute lots0. That's a totally 'right winged' thing to say. I know because my father preached the same thing back in the 50's maybe even earlier. But then there's this other little sentence in slotplayer's post -
"But that's funny, the USA investing in law and order or education or oil independency. This is a capitalist country and money trumps all. Money is more important than human life, more so on the right."

More so on the right. LMAO! and can I get a big raspberry please? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Why is it then that the right has poured so much money into trying to keep libs from using abortion as birth control? Give me a break.
 
Wait a minute lots0. That's a totally 'right winged' thing to say.
Ahhh I see, I can't have my own opinions.

I have to be either "Right Wing" or "Left Wing"... I disagree.

Labeling people is just wrong... The only people that have totally one sided views on anything are people that do not do their own thinking.

Yes I have Liberal views, and I also have Conservative views, Progressive Views and Libertarian views... Depends on the subject.

If you want to label me... label me as someone that does their own thinking and makes their own opinions. ;)
 
Nifty and Slotplayer regrding the war costs:

Slotplayer, you may very well know the exact facts on this, I cannot remember them off hand but I do remember that the USSR got themselves in all kinds of financial trouble because of their afghan war in the 70s and 80s. It had lasted for a long number of years and was costing that govt tons of money and weakening them as a country. Many in our media kinda made light of how stupid they were for caring so much about afhganistan and also for wasting so much money on a "non winnable" war. This is eerily similar IMO. The things we could do with that money regarding our deficit and such..............

Nifty, I think you make a great point/question. Interestingly it would seem that we throw a ton of money at some of those things like education. We just mismanage it so badly. That is what some of this is about in Wisconsin with that standoff. Regarding goodwill type of things, American Wealthy contribute much more to charities than their counterparts in other countries. In doing so much goes to churches and overseas to Tsunami victims and starving children rather than as charitable contributions to a school or some such thing. So I don't believe that American wealthy are blind with lust for more money and greed. I think that they give to what charities move them personally. In other countries they stand back and expect the govt to handle it a bit more than taking matters into their own hands via charities and fundraising. Much of this is because some govts just confiscate it already taking the want to be charitable away.

I don't know how much it cost the USSR but they were there 10 years.
It's unbelievable the wasted money. Does anyone remember the block of 12 billion shipped to Iraq and then went missing a few years ago?
 
Ahhh I see, I can't have my own opinions.

I have to be either "Right Wing" or "Left Wing"... I disagree.

Labeling people is just wrong... The only people that have totally one sided views on anything are people that do not do their own thinking.

Yes I have Liberal views, and I also have Conservative views, Progressive Views and Libertarian views... Depends on the subject.

If you want to label me... label me as someone that does their own thinking and makes their own opinions. ;)


Lighten up lots0 I'm just giving you a little bit of a hard time. :) I wont label you if you wont label me. Fair enough? Besides, we have a lot more in common than you'll ever know. Peace
 
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Wait a minute lots0. That's a totally 'right winged' thing to say. I know because my father preached the same thing back in the 50's maybe even earlier. But then there's this other little sentence in slotplayer's post -
"But that's funny, the USA investing in law and order or education or oil independency. This is a capitalist country and money trumps all. Money is more important than human life, more so on the right."

More so on the right. LMAO! and can I get a big raspberry please? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Why is it then that the right has poured so much money into trying to keep libs from using abortion as birth control? Give me a break.

Felicie, of course I thought of that rebuttal while I was posting. Its just a little friendly dig at the right. Good for you.
 
By the way, ever hear of photoshop? That is what the leader of the tea party claims. YOU WONT BELIEVE It cuz you dont WANT TO beleive it. You need this "racism" thing to lean on and make excuses about. Here are some more of your photo. Next time someone asks you for actual proof of racism you should come up with something better than that.

Lol, I sure have heard of photoshop.......

and so has the tea party since THEY were the ones to edit it for damage control after the incident.

if you spent any moment of time investigating it, you would know that he showed up at the rally with the sign of the racial epithet and it was later edited by the tea party before they put it on their site because they were embarrassed. It's well documented, here's the wikipedia entry re: the incident:

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He also defended the use of "niggar" on Alan Colmes' radio show, from the transcript:

Colmes : What’s N-I-G-G-A-R? ~ Robertson :Well, I just don’t agree with what Congress is doing to the American people. Really the proper word is “slave”…[Oakland mayor and former congressman] Ron Dellums actually coined that word. ~ … ~ Colmes : Did you spell it wrong? ~ Roberston : I don’t think so. ~ Not once did Robertson deny using the word. In fact bent himself into a pretzel defending its use. ~ Watch the latest news video at video.foxnews.com"


here is an analysis of whether the original photo showing niggar could have been photoshopped (cliff notes, it wasn't)

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Seriously it takes 10 seconds on google to easily verify anything I say, but I guess I'm just "blinded by hate".
 
Lol, I sure have heard of photoshop.......

and so has the tea party since THEY were the ones to edit it for damage control after the incident.

if you spent any moment of time investigating it, you would know that he showed up at the rally with the sign of the racial epithet and it was later edited by the tea party before they put it on their site because they were embarrassed. It's well documented, here's the wikipedia entry re: the incident:

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He also defended the use of "niggar" on Alan Colmes' radio show, from the transcript:

Colmes : What’s N-I-G-G-A-R? ~ Robertson :Well, I just don’t agree with what Congress is doing to the American people. Really the proper word is “slave”…[Oakland mayor and former congressman] Ron Dellums actually coined that word. ~ … ~ Colmes : Did you spell it wrong? ~ Roberston : I don’t think so. ~ Not once did Robertson deny using the word. In fact bent himself into a pretzel defending its use. ~ Watch the latest news video at video.foxnews.com"


here is an analysis of whether the original photo showing niggar could have been photoshopped (cliff notes, it wasn't)

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Seriously it takes 10 seconds on google to easily verify anything I say, but I guess I'm just "blinded by hate".


I heard President Obama pretty much runs Google these days but then again I don't believe most of what we hear and see anyway. You have to sort thru it and take it for what it's worth and if the head of the Tea Party made those comments for real I doubt he will be head of anything for long. I don't belong to the party but not because I fear they are all racists. I just feel a little like lots0 in that I agree with some of this and some of that but not all of it in any party. Some say that makes you a wishy-washy moderate but I think it just makes you a little more flexible and we need to be more flexible to get along and make it work. Give me a common sense more down to earth party and I might swear allegiance to it forever. Yeah like that's going to ever happen. :p

One thing I'm sure of is that every time you repeat the hate word for word someone somewhere will read it and maybe believe it and that just keeps the fire burning when what we really should be doing is anything we can to put that fire out for good.
 
Where are the "thanks" buttons?
I have been sort of away the last few weeks so maybe I missed something?
I removed the thanking option for this forum last weekend because some people were being uncool with its usage and mobbing one another.
Anyway just wanted to "thank" lots0 for the post above...(and avoid posting in this thread otherwise!;) ).
You'll just have to thank him personally instead of using a button :p
 
the wars hit a trillion+ jan 2010 with about 3/4 spent on Iraq. No idea what it is now. Although I heard someone reliable say a few times 2 billion but I can't remember if it was a day or a week. I googled and it is 2 billion a week.

But that's funny, the USA investing in law and order or education or oil independency. This is a capitalist country and money trumps all. Money is more important than human life, more so on the right.

The media and politicians keep the fringe groups (as evident by this thread) fighting over which bilge pump to use while the fucken ship is sinking.

i think that acronym is fornicate under consent of the king [they dident want any birthing during harvest time ] :notworthy:notworthy
 
I wish bbkpoker would lash out viciously against Obama. If everything were reversed he would be screaming racist.

BBKPOKER should be screaming "racist" at the fact that Van Jones , the known racist was selected to Obama's cabinet. That he sat in a church for about 20 years listening to Rev. wright a known bigot and calls him practically family. His own book has a racist rant in it
How about Obama's chosen VP ridiculing minorities here:
Or even his racist comments about obama:

but sure, the conservatives are racist NOT the leftists who have openly shown racism... bbkpoker's motto: "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".. LOL
 
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What you've got are a bunch of extreme idiots that talk the loudest and say they want to Join with the party not anything else. The real people involved in the Tea Party are like my relatives back east. Just hardworking Americans trying to raise families and mind their own business and they are sick and tired of the way this country has been heading for too long now. They are NOT racists and being from New England, they hold very dear the total history of this country and what made it great. I am from there also and feel the same way and for you to spew all this hate around because you do not agree with them is bullshit. I've been on the Constitution and Old Ironsides and I also know what green the shot heard round the world was fired from. I've been up Beacon Hill and to the North Church and could go on and on and thru all that if nothing else will please you even know that these were the kind of people that fought a war against slavery you ignorant acting so-in-so. '
Quit with all the hate man you're barking up the wrong tree. :mad:


heres anoughter thanks i could have used my button for.

very good post.:thumbsup:
 
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IMO, someone here is carrying a HUGE racial chip on their shoulder and they are the only one who keeps pushing racism to the forefront with each and every post. Why the rest continue to try to turn the debate is beyond me. This poster has tunnel vision so bad, they will never see the light.

Since I've already been called a racist and ignorant, try this one on for size...
I was born in Seoul South Korea in 1960 to a black soldier and a korean woman. I was abandoned and put up for adoption (adopted by a WHITE family). I have been a citizen of the US for 49 1/2 yrs. Many want to turn their heads and say prejudice does not exist, it does!

One of my earliest memories of racism happened when I was 5 yrs old. My mother loved parades so we went to Binghamton for the annual Veterans day parade. A man standing next to us looked down on me and spate in my face. He told my mother she was a disgrace to white people allowing a slant eyed nigger to reside in her home (sorry!, I would NEVER use those words, but need to make the point), we left the parade...

So, the next time you want to call a person, you DON'T know anything about, a racist, a liar and ignorant, try looking in the mirror...

WOW what a post thank you so much for putting this and i,m sorrie people r so stupid they only see color and not the fact that we all bleed the same color blood.

and its the person inside who makes us what we r and some people r just stupid and mean hearted.
 
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