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Stargames baptism by fire.

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Rusty, Oct 28, 2010.

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    Oct 28, 2010
  1. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

    Occupation:
    IT
    Location:
    Manchester UK
    Just visited this site out of curiosity and experienced several bugs and crashes, not least not being able to access my account.

    What really caught my attention though was their bonus T&C's

    Your bonus is forfeited should you withdraw your winnings without having met the following conditions: 1. You must have played at least as many games as Euros you received as a bonus.2. You must have used your total bonus in stakes.

    For example: With a bonus of EUR 25, you must have played at least 25 games and have played for stakes totalling at least EUR 25 in these games before you withdraw your winnings.


    What is that all about?
    Sounds like you need a minimum of 1xplaythrough on 25 different games and since they only have a handful of slots it is hardly enticing.

    They also charge a minimum of 1 euro on every withdrawal. :oops:

    Other than that they use a software I haven't played before so I would be willing to give them a try, not as things stand though.

    EDIT

    Hang on, they are already accredited but they are listed as supplying skill games rather than a Casino.
    Bryan may want to have the Casino operation separated from the skill games unless he was aware of the Casino when they were accredited.
     
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  2. Oct 28, 2010
  3. asianeyes

    asianeyes Dormant account

    Occupation:
    housewife
    Location:
    U.K.
    Some of these T's & C's are really beginning to go TWILIGHT ZONE.:lolup:

    Good spotting again, Rusty.
     
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  4. Oct 28, 2010
  5. De Beuker

    De Beuker Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Production
    Location:
    Netherlands
    :what:

    So if I deposit €100.- with a €100.- bonus I have to play 100 different games??
    But..they dont HAVE 100 different games!

    Seems like they dont want you to deposit more than €25.- :D
     
  6. Oct 29, 2010
  7. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I had a long Skype conversation with one of their senior people yesterday - asking me to promote them, obviously.

    The first thing I noticed was their unusual bonus terms, so we discussed this at some length.
    You don't have to play 25 different games, just place 25+ bets and wager 25+ in total (for a 25 credit bonus).
    Their welcome bonus is actually +EV for the "bonus whores", but he didn't seem bothered when I pointed that out...

    I was also very unhappy that the bonus T&Cs are "hidden" in the "Help" pages - but he did say that they would be re-laying out the website pretty soon and making them more accessible.

    Their slot games wont appeal to the masses here - they are basically UK arcade style slots = nothing like the online slots most of us play & love. And they don't have very many either - only about 10 I think.

    KK
     
  8. Oct 29, 2010
  9. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Speak for yourself:p

    Just because YOU came to grief with the Pirate, doesn't mean I didn't make a tidy profit on the high seas before the ship was sunk by the MGS navy patrol:D

    The terms are a little confusing though, I think I know what they MEAN, and it's similar in principle to the "max allowable bet clause" now used to prevent players placing a single big bet followed by "grinding".

    As you have spotted, their version of the term offers NO such protection from the "whores", in fact it allows pretty much EVERY advantage play tactic known. There is NO effective max bet, only a minimum number of TOTAL bets. The second part is obeyed in full as soon as the advantage player bets the lot on black, and the first part is met as soon as a relatively small number of bets is placed on the "grind" stage.

    For the rest, it's a bonus with a 1x WR. Even if non cashable, it's a good deal better than the non cashable RTG and Rival bonuses that ALSO come with very high WR.

    I hope for their sake that they have been VERY thorough in testing their "UK style arcade slots" before release;)
     
  10. Oct 29, 2010
  11. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

    Occupation:
    Sales
    Location:
    UK
    When you take one spin on a slot, that is classed as one game, play ten spins you have played ten games. My understanding of it anyway :)
     
  12. Jan 4, 2011
  13. yoshirules

    yoshirules Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    educator
    Location:
    holland
    Do you have to take the bonus? Does anyone know?
     
  14. Jan 4, 2011
  15. yoshirules

    yoshirules Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    educator
    Location:
    holland
    :what:I deposited €20 anyway. But all the games give me a 500 - Internal server error. Whats up with that?
     
  16. Jan 4, 2011
  17. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

    Occupation:
    Builder, mainly renovations.
    Location:
    Planet Tharg, dark side, where nothing grows.
    Don`t want to spook you here, but, and I quote.....

    `Note: If the 500 Internal Server Error message appears during the checkout process at an online merchant, be aware that duplicate attempts to checkout may end up creating multiple orders - and multiple charges! Most merchants have automatic protections from these kinds of actions but it's still something to keep in mind`.

    No matter what, it is a problem their end with the server!!!.
     
  18. Jan 5, 2011
  19. yoshirules

    yoshirules Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    educator
    Location:
    holland
    thanks for your answer. The deposit went oke, a few minutes later I could play....I did send the support two emails about 24 hours ago still no reply. Too slow I think
     
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2011
  20. Jan 5, 2011
  21. jstrike

    jstrike Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Programmer & Designer
    Location:
    Europe
    Interesting. Anyone seen that software anywhere else? Know who makes it or is it an in-house thing?
     
  22. Jan 5, 2011
  23. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I believe most (if not all) their games are by Novamatic, who have been making "fruit machines" as seen in every amusement arcade in the UK for many years.

    Sky Vegas (owned by the UK satellite broadcasting company Sky) also have a big selection of Novamatic games, along with many others by the arcade suppliers, such as Barcrest, Astra, Bellfruit, etc.
    There's a list of many of these on this page: You must register/login in order to see the link. ;)

    KK
     
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  24. Jan 5, 2011
  25. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Golden game eh. Which version?

    The one that pays £2 at a time, or the one that pays £3 a time, when you press collect;)
     
  26. Mar 22, 2011
  27. Wibbler

    Wibbler Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Software Engineer
    Location:
    UK
    Do these guys pay, and do the ever answer their emails?
     
  28. Mar 22, 2011
  29. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

    Occupation:
    chippy
    Location:
    uk
    hi not sure on wether they pay i would of thought so , but going by there e mails well thats a different kettle of fish , tbh there just very very lazy when it comes to e mails i think i waited 10 days to get a reply . not to worry though i havnt played there since)
     
  30. Mar 22, 2011
  31. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Well if they want to get accredited they'd better address this issue - and fast. :mad:

    If you (or anyone) wants something looked at urgently, just ask me and I will give my contact a poke (on Skype that is - no physical contact!) and ask him to respond pronto...

    KK
     
  32. Mar 22, 2011
  33. Wibbler

    Wibbler Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Software Engineer
    Location:
    UK
    I'm happy to wait a bit longer for payment (only been since Saturday) but I would normally hope for an email response to a query within a day or two. It would be nice to have some confirmation that they have at least looked at the ID I sent...
     
  34. Mar 22, 2011
  35. Gremmyboy

    Gremmyboy Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Administration
    Location:
    Australia
    What does +EV mean?

    Have seen it written alot but have no idea what it means?

    Is there somewhere on Casinomeister where there is a list of all the acronyms used here?

    I know the basics but am lost alot of the time with the abbreviations/acronyms!:what:

    Cheers
    Gremmy
     
  36. Mar 22, 2011
  37. Popstar

    Popstar Dormant account

    Occupation:
    TV Presenter
    Location:
    Bristol, UK
    Quite like these Novamatic games, these arn't like the UK pub slots though, the Sky Vegas ones are all random, and would assume these are too.
    Has anyone seen anywhere to play these apart from Stargames?
     
  38. Mar 23, 2011
  39. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I think there's several threads about acronyms scattered around the forum - it would be a useful addition though, if CM would list them all somewhere easy to find!
    With the latest forum upgrade I notice some abbreviations have "hover over" definitions: e.g. CM, WR, etc.. He just needs to add some more! :thumbsup:

    +EV means Positive Expected Value;
    Which in turn means that playing a bonus on the lowest edge games which are allowed (or by use of certain strategies) a player will make a profit if he achieves (or betters) the RTP of the game.

    e.g.
    If you took a 100% cashable bonus on $100 with a WR of Bx10 & Blackjack with a 99% RTP allowed at 100% (I wish!)...
    Your wagering = $1,000
    Your loss if you achieved exactly 99% RTP = $10
    Therefore this bonus would be +EV to the value of $90
    i.e. You are expected to make $90 profit.

    KK
     
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