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Spam from BIG DAN

Discussion in 'Casino Spam Complaints' started by Greigssy, Aug 26, 2011.

    Aug 26, 2011
  1. Greigssy

    Greigssy Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Electrician
    Location:
    Scotland
    Got an email today from BIG DAN,who is that I asked myself!. Curious I opened it only to find it was a free £$50 from Ruby Royal casino. Clicked on the link and was taken to there site now the bonus offer says £$50 "FREE TRIAL" and £$1000 in bonuses.

    Firstly I have no intention of depositing there because I have never heard of them or there slots,but I may have been tempted to give it a shot by the free £50 does anybody know of this group apparantly they have been around running casinos for years or is that the usual bs?

    Secondly how on earth have they got my name and worst of all my hotmail email address, which I only give out to reputable casinos and companys.9 out of 10 emails i recieve in spam now are from casinos. It seems common practice now for casinos to sell your details which to me has to be illegal!
     
  2. Aug 28, 2011
  3. Silencio

    Silencio Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Webmaster
    Location:
    Netherlands
    They don't sell your details, details get stolen from them.
    Out of all the places you signed up on, if one of them has lousy security, tadaa spam time..
    If the registration is not encrypted, or the members folder isn't protected it's easy for hackers to get a hold of the information.
    You would think big and reputable companies do this, but the people responsible for it are usually way behind on the tech stuff.
    I just blocked a whole country because they kept attacking me..
     
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  4. Aug 28, 2011
  5. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    BIG DAN is most likely a rogue affiliate who thinks spamming people with stolen e-mail addresses is an OK way to try to earn some money. :(
    The link may have even taken you to a "fake site" as Ruby Royal" don't have any promos like that as far as I know.

    Ruby Royal is a Rival Powered casino. Rival do have some GREAT games IMO, but not all their casinos are so great. I do promote Ruby Royal myself; they are OK, but they are not the best of the Rival casinos IMO as I think their bonuses have very high WRs.

    KK
     
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  6. Aug 28, 2011
  7. Greigssy

    Greigssy Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Electrician
    Location:
    Scotland
    Thanks for replying, thats why appreciate this site because i can get genuine feedback .But can confirm that the link and offer its definately ruby royal's site here is the offer. Ive cut away the link but can supply it, if you require it.
     

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  8. Aug 30, 2011
  9. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Thanks for that.
    I'm 99% sure that is a special promo which has been set up for an affiliate; you can tell because it says "Exclusive" at the top.
    You also wont be able to find your way to that page if you just started by typing RubyRoyal.com into your browser.

    Now that is normal & totally fine (I have a few exclusives myself), the only issue is how BIG DAN got your e-mail address.
    He may have got it though legitimate means, or he may not. It's very difficult to tell.
    Either way, spam is unfortunately an unavoidable evil these days - I get about 30-40 spam mails every day.
    I've tried various ways to stop it, but nothing works for very long... :(

    KK
     
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  10. Aug 30, 2011
  11. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    United Kingdom
    How easy is it for an affiliate to get an exclusive like this from a Rival casino?

    It is concerning to think that this is some kind of "elite" affiliate who has been granted this privilige, yet he got to be "elite" through spamming, whereas affiliates who market properly would find it harder to reach such a status.

    If affiliate programs are weak on enforcement, the spammers get REWARDED for their actions, thus not only do they carry on, the system ENCOURAGES it. New affiliates may then see spamming as something they can get away with, and even NEED to get involved in to get the levels of traffic needed to bring them the success they see others having.

    It also seems that the definition of spam is different for every program, and seems manipulated so as to legitimise whatever they are doing, rather than to set a standard to follow.

    There are many threads where players complain about spam, and find that no-one at the casino concerned is interested, often brushing off the complaint as "it's not us, take it up with.........". Only after considerable pressure, and a couple of brief visits to the pit, have some operators begun to take the matter seriously, providing a channel through which such complaints can be made, and affiliates traced and dealt with (weakly in a few cases, not something that went down well here).

    Casinos just don't see the big picture. Since the industry generates so much spam, most spam software will indiscriminately block EVERY email that makes some kind of promotional offer, and this means their regular players don't always get their newsletters, promos, etc. This may make them think the casino has lost interest in them, and this could make them look for somewhere else to play. This has happened to ME on several occasions, and after not receiving anything from a casino for a few weeks, I find that for some odd reason their mailers were suddenly declared spam by my ISP, even though the format hadn't changed and I had taught my ISP filter to allow mailers of this format from that particular casino. In the meantime, the casino has lost several weeks worth of deposits from me because I thought they had lost interest in me, or worse, bonus banned me as though I had done something wrong (a great way to get me to fast track the uninstallation of said casino and make room for another).
     
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  12. Aug 30, 2011
  13. Greigssy

    Greigssy Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Electrician
    Location:
    Scotland
    I seem to get a lot of spam from casinos and sportsbooks that iam already a member of,with welcome bonuses ane encouraging me to join! I guess this proves the point that the people sending spam and the casinos dont really have any communication with each other. Theres probably some sort of middle company raking in all the affiliate money from this.

    On another note I did get the free £50 so it was genuine. But one deposit and iam put off already! Not because of there games but the fact I only ever deposit by debit card or paypal(if available) at casinos. The first deposit went through ok then the second failed to process "due to my bank",and i should "try moneybookers"! I dont wanna be forced into using an e-wallet,if it says cards accepted it shouldn't mean for only one deposit per day! This is not the only casino that does this.
     
  14. Aug 30, 2011
  15. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    This happens because casinos don't use the new "verified by VISA" or "Mastercard securecode". UK banks now EXPECT legitimate online merchants to be using this to guard against fraud. Chip & Pin throughout the UK has seen a significant shift to fraudsters exploiting weaknesses in eCommerce in order to circumvent the extra security. These two schemes are the online equivalent of Chip & Pin, and so it is possible that the repeat nature of the transaction tripped your bank into blocking the second transaction. This may then be followed by a phonecall from your bank confirming that you made that attempt, and they will then lift the block on that merchant.

    If you use First Direct, DON'T. My experience is that their system is the most "trigger happy" I have known, blocking around 50% of my deposits for no obvious reason, even though I repeatedly confirmed they were genuine with that merchant.

    Barclaycard is the best, and I have not had any transactions, no matter how many in a day, being blocked. I don't play at casinos in the Rogue pit, so I can't say whether this means they are too lax with their systems. A few casinos (32 Red is one) use "Verified by VISA", so here at least you should not run into such problems.

    Casinos are not saying "try Moneybookers" for YOUR benefit, it is because they can't get your money if you simply wait and sort it out with your bank every time it happens.

    Of course, Ladbrokes casino HATES you to use Moneybookers, and a few others will negatively discriminate against you by doubling your WR or more. It seems that if you use Moneybookers and Neteller, it flags you as an "experienced player", which a few casinos consider the same thing as "bonus abuser", which leads to you getting second class treatment.

    Another problem with eWallets is that the money stored there is NOT as safe as with the banks. eWallets may have to ring fence client funds, but if a bank goes bust, the government steps in to cover retail deposits. This is NOT the case with eWallets, where if something goes wrong with the ring fencing arrangements, and client funds disappear, there is NO compensation from the government, and customers queue up with other creditors for so many pence in the pound.

    Quite a few eWallets serving the US market have "walked" with players money for various reasons, and even though laws there are different, the governments of the jurisdictions licensing those eWallets did NOT step in to ensure customers got their money back. Although non-US facing eWallets don't face the same risks (DoJ seizures etc), NO private business is immune to the unexpected disaster. Lodging money with an eWallet is similar to paying in to a private savings scheme that is NOT regulated as a bank. Remember Farepack, where customers paid into a "savings account" all year in order to receive a Christmas hamper or shopping vouchers. They were supposed to ring fence that money so that it would be safe, but when disaster struck, the money was gone, even the "safe" ringfenced money. The financial compansation scheme did NOT apply, because like Moneybookers, Fareback was NOT a bank, just a private company.

    If you look closely at the details, you will find you do NOT "deposit" money with Moneybookers or Neteller. What happens is that you EXCHANGE your "real" money for "electronic money" in the same way you might exchange cash for gaming chips at the casino. If the casino goes bust before you have exchanged thiose chips back, or doesn't have the money in "float" to cover the chips you won, you find yourself stuck with worthless bits of plastic that are no use other than in the casino, whereas money can be used elsewhere if one business decides not to take it.

    Using an eWallet means accepting that the small risk of them being unable to exchange your eMoney back to real money on demand is outweighed by the convenience of keeping your gambling money in "chip form" as you go from casino to casino, rather than repeatedly converting it to and fro, which can take up to a week for the process of moving from eMoney back to money in the bank.

    "big dan" makes his money by taking a percentage of what you deposit and lose at the casino. You may be shocked to know that "big dan" could easily make 20% to 30% on what you lose each month - quite an incentive to spam if he gets away with it. Having signed up through that soam for your free money, every deposit that goes through and is lost nets "big dan" about a quarter of the value.

    He has now made about a quarter of that first deposit that went through, but your bank has saved you from donating again (and of course rewarding him for spamming you).

    If you get a spam, but are interested in that casino anyway, but resent being spammed, go direct - don't reward the spammer by clicking through his link.

    If you liked the promise, see if you can get the same deal direct by quoting it to CS, and if they say you are "not on the list", say "Fine, I will look elsewhere". You may well find you "are on the list after all" after a "manager" has been consulted;)
     
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