Sloto'cash Rtg ....bit of a problem

[Jasminebed]

Well, I think there is one bit of good that will surely come from this thread. Slotocash will clarify their rules regarding max bet.

I have no idea what courts would hear this matter. But I do know in Canada that court costs awarded rarely cover the actual cost of your lawyer.

I've always found MsSloto to be quite fair in her dealings here. If the OP contacted her earlier and failed to get the satisfaction he was looking for, then PAB is probably the best option. I can see delaying bringing the issue to the board if private dealings were given a chance.

The OP has been a member for several months here, and by his own admission not a novice gambler. I would think several months of membership and readership here would give you quite a bit of confidence in the accreditation system here, and the access to reps.

Legal opinions, even when offered by lawyers, are only opinions. It's the judge's opinion that really matter. Pretty much sure that a casino's lawyer may cite differing opinions.

Don't forget, free advice is worth what you pay for it. But my momma always told me you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, and please don't put yourself in an adverserial position with those best positioned to help you.

 

[chayton]

The OP told me through PM that they've already done a PAB - I advised them not to continue talking about the issue on the forum. If Max hasn't already tossed it, that's probably why Ms Sloto hasn't chimed in.

 

[Nifty29]

The OP told me through PM that they've already done a PAB - I advised them not to continue talking about the issue on the forum. If Max hasn't already tossed it, that's probably why Ms Sloto hasn't chimed in.

Makes sense.

The OP joined in Dec 2011 which is when it all went down and when they obviously filed the PAB.

I would think Max/Bryan would frown upon someone with a failed PAB starting threads to throw accusations at the casino, along with a fair share of crap at other members.

In my experience, getting nasty and belligerent gets you nowhere when it comes to dispute resolution.

 

[skiny]

Personally I think you're screwed. Even if everyone on the planet except the casino feels you should be paid it's the casino that's writing the cheque and they seem to have already made their decision.

Some of us will agree with you, some of us will be slightly more belligerent but in the end if you haven't been paid a year after you've made your withdrawal, you're probably not going to.

Maybe the casino can add the word "total" to the terms and conditions for future reference. "Maximum total bet is..." Now all bets combined regardless of the game count toward the maximum bet.

Players not getting paid for technicalities was tiresome years ago. You can argue about it all day long whether a broken rule was intentional or not but I think it's long passed time for the combination of rules and software design to make it impossible to forfeit your winnings because of something you did while playing. Sure there's an expense to updating or upgrading software but isn't this software updated on a regular basis anyway? I've seen software updates more times than I can count and then saw no difference in the lobby or the games I play so apparently back end updates are cost effective enough to do them regularly.

I can't see it being that difficult to make a maximum bet size impossible to exceed while playing a bonus and wouldn't it save the casino the trouble of sifting though thousands of spins to see if someone bet 7 dollars instead of 6 every time someone makes a withdrawal from a deposit with a bonus? Now you could say they might have software to check a players bet sizes for a specific gaming session. How is writing that software easier than just fixing the games so you can't over bet in the first place?

In my opinion it's all just silly.

I'd say good luck to you but I really don't think it'll help much.

 

[Jasminebed]

Arziel, if taking it to the rep and PABing has failed, your only recourse is civil courts.

Sometimes even if successful, you end up out of pocket when the sum disputed is small. Under a couple of grand is small when you are talking international courts and legal fees.

From what I've read and understood here over my years, I don't think you will get the result you desire from Slotocash's regulatory body. You and your lawyer are of course free to pursue that avenue, and I'd be most interested in hearing the outcome.

You've had your deposit returned. You say it's not about the money. I do understand the principle of the thing. But do you really want to be out of pocket with the lawyers being the only one to have something at the end of the day?

My advice might be different for tens of thousands.

 

[naththo]

I don't think you will win the court case really. Most of casino will have very similar or same term and condition as Slotocash did. The developer who make RTG have put in for Slotocash when I requested it so. They did the right thing. They are very cooperative. But if you are playing nicely and just give them piece of advice to get Slotocash to ask programmer who make RTG to include into T&C says Max bet allowance $6.50 including side bet with example of it. So that would be a lot clearer for people who wants to try play Mice Dice slot game. Thats probably the only best way. I don't think putting in PAB or getting lawyer to fix them up will work at all. Its very unlikely scenario.

 

[Azriel47]

This is now a dead topic no further content will be added by me as per legal Instruction
I recommend a Mod Lock the Thread.

-Azriel47

p.s

Thank you for all the feedback regarding this matter to all posters.

 

[maxd]

This is now a dead topic ....

Meaning you wish us to pursue your PAB or no? If so you'll have to read the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ and give us a valid "contact" email address: as specified in the FAQ, Hotmail is not going to cut it. Please respond via PM or email (Attach Removed (Old not found)).

 

[Nifty29]

FWIW, there is no QC named Mike Daniels (that I can find). Certainly not in New Zealand.

Google can't find any Mike Daniels who is a lawyer anywhere but the USA.

 

[Azriel47]

FWIW, there is no QC named Mike Daniels (that I can find). Certainly not in New Zealand.

Google can't find any Mike Daniels who is a lawyer anywhere but the USA.

Good Lawyers are hard to find you wont find them in microwave dinner packets.

 

[The Dude]

FWIW, there is no QC named Mike Daniels (that I can find). Certainly not in New Zealand.

Google can't find any Mike Daniels who is a lawyer anywhere but the USA.

Maybe it was his brother Jack

 

[Azriel47]

Maybe it was his brother Jack

Those that matter know the real name.

 

[Azriel47]

Meaning you wish us to pursue your PAB or no? If so you'll have to read the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ and give us a valid "contact" email address: as specified in the FAQ, Hotmail is not going to cut it. Please respond via PM or email (Attach Removed (Old not found)).

Lock the thread im done here pm'ing

 

[The Dude]

Lock the thread im done here pm'ing

Sorry "dude", since when did someone promote you to administrator?

 

[P.V.]

Sorry "dude", since when did someone promote you to administrator?

 

[Azriel47]

Sorry "dude", since when did someone promote you to administrator?

It was a request now that everyone else has finished flaming am I now to face this on a higher level ?

 

[Azriel47]

Theres more going on here than meets the eye ..and peeps aint stupid.

 

[The Dude]

So let me get this straight - you submit a PAB on Saturday AGREEING to the terms of not posting about this subject in public. But then yesterday you go "balls to the wall" in the forum, posting screenshots, stirring up opinions, scoffing at criticism, and even getting your lawyer to provide you with some legal advice on a Sunday afternoon?

 

[The Dude]

Theres more going on here than meets the eye ..and peeps aint stupid.

I wholeheartedly agree that there is a lot more going on here.

And yes, our "peeps" ain't stupid.

They see that you were just here to turn this well-respected forum into a circus for your own benefit. You got so caught up in your giddy frenzy, you began talking to yourself here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/gidday-gidday.52441/

Yes folks - Azriel47 and NightOwl67 are on the same computer and they are having a conversation with each other

So everything you have said or done here has been negated in my opinion. You have disregarded the forum rules, disrespected the membership, and now you throw flippant comments out at a whim.

Take a hike and grow up.

Bye.

 

[Azriel47]

So let me get this straight - you submit a PAB on Saturday AGREEING to the terms of not posting about this subject in public. But then yesterday you go "balls to the wall" in the forum, posting screenshots, stirring up opinions, scoffing at criticism, and even getting your lawyer to provide you with some legal advice on a Sunday afternoon?

Hey im new Missed the terms big guy and figured because so much time went by that I would initiate plan b .. tell me what is the function of this forum ? is it to resolve disputes and discuss things openly ...im kinda lost here .

 

[The Dude]

Hey im new Missed the terms big guy and figured because so much time went by that I would initiate plan b .. tell me what is the function of this forum ? is it to resolve disputes and discuss things openly ...im kinda lost here .

The rules of the forum at its policies are linked on every page. If you are missing these, then you are not seeking them.

One of the many functions of this forum is to solve disputes. And we discuss things openly - adhering to our policies of common courtesy, fairness, and taking responsibility for what one says.

 

[Nifty29]

Maybe it was his brother Jack

 

[naththo]

I find it hard to believe how he got lawyer from. I never believed him since the start.

 

[Sloto]

Thank you to those members who pointed out that I take a fair approach to each individual case. This issue happened in 2011 and has only now been brought to my attention..

Respectfully Azriel47 I would request the time to look into this issue before you send threatening PMs and start a negative Publicity campaign

The side bet is compulsory and therefore we would not penalize members who mistakenly bet more than $6.50 however on looking into the side bet issue it is shown as a proportional amount to your bet per line, so I think its only fair to not include the side bets in the MAXIMUM bet of $6.50

With regards to Azriel47 I will locate your gaming transactions and if you only bet more than $6.50 on Mice Dice I will authorise your withdrawal less the deposit returned to you.

Kind Regards

Ms Sloto

 

[skiny]

So how does this work? Do you send him two cheques or does he arm wrestle himself for the full amount?

 

[chuchu59]

Thank you to those members who pointed out that I take a fair approach to each individual case. This issue happened in 2011 and has only now been brought to my attention..

Respectfully Azriel47 I would request the time to look into this issue before you send threatening PMs and start a negative Publicity campaign

The side bet is compulsory and therefore we would not penalize members who mistakenly bet more than $6.50 however on looking into the side bet issue it is shown as a proportional amount to your bet per line, so I think its only fair to not include the side bets in the MAXIMUM bet of $6.50

With regards to Azriel47 I will locate your gaming transactions and if you only bet more than $6.50 on Mice Dice I will authorise your withdrawal less the deposit returned to you.

Kind Regards

Ms Sloto

That's very fair of you although the attitude displayed by the OP has won him few friends..

 

[Sloto]

skiny not sure what you mean by that statement?

 

[Diane]

skiny not sure what you mean by that statement?

I am thinking it was *sarcasm* since the OP is playing games with all of us and has TWO separate accounts here.

Diane

 

[skiny]

skiny not sure what you mean by that statement?

There's a pretty good chance that at least one line in my posts will be sarcasm.

If there IS only one line... that would be it.

 

[Jasminebed]

Thank you Ms Sloto. I think that is a very fair outcome, quite seriously all the player could have hoped for.

But while you are reviewing his play, I'd be checking the possibilty of multiple accounts as well. If he multi-accounts here, did he do it to Slotocash?

My leaning was the bets should probably be allowed, and it now gives you to opportunity to amend your terms to keep players within your maximum bet amounts clearly.

 

[mattsgame]

That's very fair of you although the attitude displayed by the OP has won him few friends..

You can say that again, boy do I feel like a fool for trying to help.

to Slot'O Kudos were Kudos is due.

 

[chayton]

@ Ms Sloto, I for one would like to find out what happens when you review the play and whether you do decide to pay this player. Just curious, thanks!