Slotland Fraudulent "Video Poker" Games

[Randy]

I agree that Slotland might have shown an error in judgement regarding how they've presented their Jacks or Better game, but I would like to point out that I've seldom seen a more professional or more courteous customer service team.

Nice post, Robert--thanks for the input.

 

[sirius]

I was looking for a thread I remember from a Slotland employee claiming that SpaceJack was fair (apart from the shared jackpot). I can't find it now though but I found a couple of other related threads. If you play SpaceJack without going for the jackpot, it obviously can't be randomly dealt because the payout would be over 100% for optimum play.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...debate-slotland-for-rigged-games.1029/?t=1029
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/slotland.1821/?t=1821

 

[sirius]

I just realised why people thought Space Jack was a decent game. They used to allow you to play just one hand at a time so it was just the same as blackjack with a the 3 to 1 BJ payout.

I am pretty sure someone from Slotland posted here that the game was fairly dealt if playing this way (you can only go for the jackpot by playing all three hands simultaneously). Players had bad results though and it seemed clear it was rigged.

Slotland later changed the game so it wasn't possible to just play one of the hands (which would have theoretically given you an advantage if it was fair)and you now must bet on all three hands.

 

[Casinomeister]

You may have guessed it, but I was out all last week when this thread developed. I had thought it was clearly stated on the Slotland site that these games were slots, but I guess I was incorrect. Looks like this is something that can easlily be resolved though. Thanks Robert for the post.

 

[Black21Jack]

Please note that all games share the same mechanism which determines the jackpot win. Thus, with card games, the probability of hitting the jackpot combination is not natural but controlled by this shared random mechanism in the same way as slot machines' wins.

This is directly quoted from the Slotland Odds page. Seems pretty clear to me. What is not understood here?

 

[GrandMaster]

This is directly quoted from the Slotland Odds page. Seems pretty clear to me. What is not understood here?

Waht is the correct strategy under these conditions?

 

[caruso]

This is directly quoted from the Slotland Odds page. Seems pretty clear to me. What is not understood here?

Try reading the thread.

 

[Black21Jack]

Try reading the thread.

Always a smart remark. I did read the thread.

 

[caruso]

Then you need to read it more carefully, including my post on page two. They state clearly and prominently that the video poker is different from the slot machines, with words along the lines of "...in ADDITION to our slots, we offer...". That ridiculous "disclaimer" is buried DEEPLY at the bottom of an apparently irrelevant page, under the heading "technical tips" - non-random dealing is a "technical tip"??

It doesn't matter. Bryan has now acknowledged the deceipt being practised here, and as their biggest advertiser you can be sure they'll listen to him - I predict that BS will be gone within the week. Nice to close the stable door after a few million horses have bolted. And nice to see the level of contempt these people hold their players in: the points have been made clearly a succinctly several times; Slotland have ignored everything.

I totally support the views expressed that this is a rogue outfit and doesn't deserve promotion by anyone - least of all the top affiliates.

 

[Casinomeister]

Try reading the thread.

Then you need to read it more carefully, including my post on page two. They state clearly and prominently that the video poker is different from the slot machines, with words along the lines of "...in ADDITION to our slots, we offer...". That ridiculous "disclaimer" is buried DEEPLY at the bottom of an apparently irrelevant page, under the heading "technical tips" - non-random dealing is a "technical tip"??

It doesn't matter. Bryan has now acknowledged the deceipt being practised here, and as their biggest advertiser you can be sure they'll listen to him - I predict that BS will be gone within the week. Nice to close the stable door after a few million horses have bolted. And nice to see the level of contempt these people hold their players in: the points have been made clearly a succinctly several times; Slotland have ignored everything.

I totally support the views expressed that this is a rogue outfit and doesn't deserve promotion by anyone - least of all the top affiliates.

Okay, these were the last caustic postings by Caruso. I have mentioned numerous times that these sort of negative and flippant responses are no longer welcome here.

Caruso, I appreciate the information and ideas you bring to light, but I don't like your attitude when it comes to responding to other members of the forum. This is your last and final warning to chill. If you feel that I am being too harsh - I'm sorry you feel this way. My main concern is that your seemingly lack of self control inhibits many posters from expressing their viewpoints or comments.

 

[largeeyes]

Seems to me if anyone is being inflamatory, it's Black21jack. The whole tone of his post was a "you idiots, it says right here in Section 18, Paragraph 49, line AB that they are slots".

But what do I know?

 

[nafanny29]

Just my 2c worth....

Although several members here are a bit... em.. loud shall we say, I still value their opinions greatly.

I hop Caruso doesnt get barred caus I enjoy the majority of his posts and believe he has a wealth of experiance to share with us all but...

The meister rules :notworthy :notworthy so what he says goes.. full stop..

 

[GrandMaster]

I am still waiting for an explanation of how the Slotland's video poker works with this jackpot "feature". Black21Jack, you claimed to understand it, would you share it with us?

 

[Vesuvio]

Seems to me if anyone is being inflamatory, it's Black21jack. The whole tone of his post was a "you idiots, it says right here in Section 18, Paragraph 49, line AB that they are slots".

But what do I know?

Must admit I thought the same, & 'try reading the thread' was a fair response.

If the Slotland representative is still around I'd genuinely be curious to know how the game works. Does it play normally except for a built-in check to prevent anyone hitting a royal flush too often? Or does it also have a slot mechanism to determine when someone can get one pair, two pairs etc.?

 

[caruso]

The poster clearly had not read the thread carefully (or he was simply being provocative) or he'd have seen the passages SPECIFICALLY distinguishing video poker from slots, and that the silly, BURIED "disclaimer" is far removed from that central section - hidden under "technical tips", LOL. I suggested he remedy the fact. The ENTIRE second paragraph quoted goes on to do nothing other than explain this and acknowledge your acknowledgement of the deceptive nature of all this. I have no idea how any of this could be considered "uncontrolled". I thought my post was factual and to the point.

GM - what don't you understand? It's a slot machine. You know how slot machines work better than most of us. It's programmed to spin the reels in such a way as to generate a 95% payout.

 

[GrandMaster]

Slotland's website contains this statement:
"The random number generator used in SLOTLAND's proprietary software has been tested and found to conform with the results of similar games found in Atlantic City with respect to randomness and payout frequency."
I would like to understand how it is compatible with the shared jackpot scheme, and players' experience of a much less than 100% payout.

 

[Joe]

Hi,

Have you ever seen the slot game which looks exactly the same as Jacks or Better Video Poker ?

For me it is misleading players.

THE CLASSIC VIDEO POKER GAME.
SLOTLAND casino proudly presents the Jacks Or Better, the most popular video poker game ever. No download needed, just open an account and start to play immediately!

THE CLASSIC VIDEO POKER GAME ?

 

[incognito2]

Statistical analysis

I knew I wouldn't playing Video Poker, but I deposited anyway.

After only 100 hands I ran two statistical tests. Both tests yeilded a less than 1 in a million chance all card appearance frequencies were represented by a 1/54 chance (WildHearts game).

No, not in compliance with Nevada or New Jersey rules.

My experiment only cost me $14. I was lucky.

 

[caruso]

After only 100 hands I ran two statistical tests. Both tests yeilded a less than 1 in a million chance all card appearance frequencies were represented by a 1/54 chance (WildHearts game).

This isn't the issue - we know it's a slot machine. The issue is that they HIDE this fact at the bottom of a "technical tips" page, whilst CLEARLY stating that slots and video poker are DISTINCT on a MUCH more central page. These statements are DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to each other. The one (prominent) one says "in addition to our slot games we offer the following..." and the (hidden) one says "all our games are slots."

This is the issue.

 

[nafanny29]

Hopefully not going too off topic here but in the UK we have many different versions of poker machines in pubs and amusement arcades and they are all "slot" types. And most have built in "sequences or "streaks" where you will hit several large payouts in close sequence!! None of them are random at all

If only our gambling machines had the same strict criteria as Nevada hey!!

But then again in my youth I used to win thousands on them so maybe not
!!!

 

[zap987]

How I understand it the note on their webpage only talks about the chance to hit a royal flush, if all other payouts are also paid like a slot machine, then they are simply cheating.

 

[sirius]

How I understand it the note on their webpage only talks about the chance to hit a royal flush, if all other payouts are also paid like a slot machine, then they are simply cheating.

Does anyone remember the post on Casinomeister by a Slotland employee a few years ago saying how Space Jack was randomly dealt (apart from the jackpot, maybe)? I cannot find it now. Players used to be able to play one hand at a time just as in normal blackjack. They sometime later changed the rules to make you play all three hands at a time. It wasn't fairly dealt at all to begin with, despite the site and customer support telling them otherwise.

There was also someone who posted on bj21 who got a 58k jackpot but only received $200 compensation after they said it was a software error.

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[trade]

bonuses and payout percentages...

What I would like a clear explanation of, is do the bonuses that slotland offer through various portals count as part of their "payout %ages". Once, when I wrote them regarding the very poor play I had at their games and asked them to clarify this. Robert responded that I really had not done so badly (something like 94%) and I asked if the bonus I received was in fact part of the %age I had supposedly achieved and he in so many words (sorry, it was awhile back) said "yes"... so, if all the small bonuses you can get from various sites along with affiliate commissions figure into their overall payout, it is not surprising that the payout %claim they make is overall much higher than most individual's experience playing there. I don't know if this (bonuses figuring into payout percentages) is the norm across the board with other on line casinos or not.

 

[caruso]

Slotland have completely ignored players' - and apparently now affiliates' - requests to change that grossly misleading "in addition to our slots..." page.

I consider Slotland a ROGUE casino - they are deliberately and wittingly deceiving their players.

I advocate all players stay away from Slotland.

 

[Casinomeister]

Slotland have completely ignored players' - and apparently now affiliates' - requests to change that grossly misleading "in addition to our slots..." page...

No one's ignored me since I haven't had a chance to say anything about this yet. I'm doing so now.