Should I chargeback at Red Lion Casino?

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Surfer

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Hi Guys, I am new here and have been rather a silly boy and opened an account with what I believe to be a scam casino called 'the red lion casino' which claim to be licenced in Curacao but when I email the e-gambing commision in Curacao they have never heard of this casino. They seem to offer all the games and services (netbet) that are not to be offered in the UK. they dont seem to show their licence number presumably because they don't have one.

I opened it because I am on gamblock and I am self excluded myself from UK bookmakers as I am a problem gambler but that is a different story. I deposited many times to the tune of 2000 over 2 credit cards and they show as a dodgy transaction company in Moscow on my statement. I played and won some money which I wanted to withdraw (1500) and I went to make a withdrawal and I was told by their customer services £500 was the maximum and only withdrawal at a time dispite their own 'terms and conditions' saying that 10k was the maximum monthly withdawal limit. they just see to make up the rules to suit them. this took days and days of emailing them to withdraw it so I could get my money back and I kept getting told it will be done ASAP. and being the problem gambler I am kept playing heavily and lost it all. One of the deposits I made was for £300 and I when I logged onto my online banking they took another £300 without adding it to the bettings account, I asked them to cancel it and put it back into my credit card account they said they couldnt and that they have credited my bettings account and I have to wager it atleast once to then withdraw it and of course I lost that too.

I am fully aware how stupid this all is but having read some things on here I may be eligle to chargeback those transactions on the grounds that they don't have a uk licence and they offer all the rigged netbet games they shouldn't in the UK.

I have raised a chargeback on all these transactions and received them back into my 2 credit card accounts and raised the dispute with all the information and emails from the curacao commission etc, my question is what are the chances of a successful chargeback on these grounds? they have reversed the transactions but what are the chances of them just readding them once theyve spoken to the merchant and they say i'm bang to rights. Like I say I am very aware I have been stupid and I should write the money off to experience but if I can get the money back and the games I was playing were rigged then it is unfair.

Please be kind :)
 
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Easiest way to dispute the transactions if Credit Card company gets funny is to point out we are not allowed to use Credit Cards for gambling in UK so transactions should not be allowed.

Anyway since noone else has mentioned it do you really think it is a good idea to have Credit Cards with that sort of limit if you cannot control your spending. You did the correct thing by registering for Gamblock. But then went looking for dodgy casinos to play at using your Credit cards.

So what would you have done if the Casino had paid the winnings no Problem. Kept going back till you had maxed out all Credit Cards got yourself deeper in debt and then tried to charge back anyway.

Think now you have managed the Chargeback you should be thinking...

Hamster 100

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Sorry to be yet another tool falling victim to this outfit. I'm a very Worried Hamster.

My bank won't help me. Said I should talk to Trading Standards. (Natwest).

:lolup:

I've saved all the evidence on this thread relating to them being shady. Not sure what to do next.
 

Playford7

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Sorry to be yet another tool falling victim to this outfit. I'm a very Worried Hamster.

My bank won't help me. Said I should talk to Trading Standards. (Natwest).

:lolup:

I've saved all the evidence on this thread relating to them being shady. Not sure what to do next.
Cut your losses and play at another casino that’s not a shower of shit.
The end.
 

pinnit2014

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Sorry to be yet another tool falling victim to this outfit. I'm a very Worried Hamster.

My bank won't help me. Said I should talk to Trading Standards. (Natwest).

:lolup:

I've saved all the evidence on this thread relating to them being shady. Not sure what to do next.
Not sure what Trading Standards can do tbh as these places are based abroad etc; unless they've got James Bond International jurisdiction :p
 

Surfer

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That is all you can do if they say they can't help, start being a bit moany. all they care is that you tried to resolve it with the red lion and it broke down, they clear haven't offered the service you expected because they're a scam with pirate games and a tiny chance you will be able withdraw your money (only if you have 1000s in your account to keep you betting).
 

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For anyone having trouble with their banks charging back, fill out a complaint with ActionFraud
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Fill out a complaint and get the crime reference number. Then give this reference number to your bank.
It's also highly likely the cunts at redlion are watching this thread.
 

Playford7

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For anyone having trouble with their banks charging back, fill out a complaint with ActionFraud
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.


Fill out a complaint and get the crime reference number. Then give this reference number to your bank.
It's also highly likely the cunts at redlion are watching this thread.
How about exercise self control, if you can’t handle a bet then don’t...

you chose to place a wager and where not forced ffs, man up and take some personal responsibility.
 

dec2008mcl

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How about exercise self control, if you can’t handle a bet then don’t...

you chose to place a wager and where not forced ffs, man up and take some personal responsibility.
Ur entitled to your opinion, I can only suggest you don't understand the disease. U should take yourself to a GA meeting and give that speech, see what happens.
As for redlion I say everyone should chargeback, when they are screwing people left right and centre. The more the banks have to do this they might pressurise the gov into doing something about these rogue cunts getting free reign in the UK
 

irish-ranger

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Ur entitled to your opinion, I can only suggest you don't understand the disease. U should take yourself to a GA meeting and give that speech, see what happens.
As for redlion I say everyone should chargeback, when they are screwing people left right and centre. The more the banks have to do this they might pressurise the gov into doing something about these rogue cunts getting free reign in the UK
What do u expect the government to do??? take the North Korea stance? let's be brutally honest here they can't stop most of the crimanilty which happens on line...
I'm sure people signing up and depositing at unregulated casinos will be at the bottom of the list..
 

Worried Dave

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What do u expect the government to do??? take the North Korea stance? let's be brutally honest here they can't stop most of the crimanilty which happens on line...
I'm sure people signing up and depositing at unregulated casinos will be at the bottom of the list..
Irish ranger..... if you’ve got nothing worthwhile to say or contribute to this thread why are you bothering?
 

irish-ranger

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Irish ranger..... if you’ve got nothing worthwhile to say or contribute to this thread why are you bothering?
So as long as our comments go with the narrative it's all OK then???
This is a forum you were the idiot who made the deposits on a shite hole casino to get your fix and now your throwing the teddies out of the pram because u ain't get yje answers you expected..
Grow up and take some responsibility for your actions...
 

KasinoKing

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So as long as our comments go with the narrative it's all OK then???
This is a forum you were the idiot who made the deposits on a shite hole casino to get your fix and now your throwing the teddies out of the pram because u ain't get yje answers you expected..
Grow up and take some responsibility for your actions...
That was a little harsh!
Worried Dave is a new member here, and may well be new to online casinos. He may not have known Red Loin was a "shite hole casino" when he signed-up, as many in this category have very convincing looking sites.
It's OK to have a go at long-time experienced members for not knowing how to "spot a rogue", but I think newbies should be cut some slack and not called "idiots" for making a mistake that I'm sure most of have made at some point in our early online gambling life.
Yes his comments were also a little rude and uncalled for - but two wrongs don't make a right.
Just saying!

KK
 

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Yes - cut the guy some slack. Now.

We can see just by the large amount of posts and players in for example the 1688/JAZ scam thread how many people have been taken in by them, for whichever reason.

The main reason is that they are problem gamblers, the exact people these criminal casinos are trying to attract. Therefore it stands to reason many posters in this category of thread will be PG's themselves. They feel bad enough already.

There but for the grace of God go I.... and all that.
 
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