Rushmore - withdrawal delay

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If Rushmore were not deliberately stalling you, and caved only when you scared them with the threat to dispute, they should terminate your account straight away as a "high risk" player. If you makde the threat once, you could do it again, and even follow through.

However, if Rushmore ARE deliberately stalling until the chance to dispute charges passes, they will not only allow you to keep your account, but will try to get you depositing again. It would be a reflection of the degree of risk they are prepared to take in order to keep the money coming in.

In order for a US player to dispute charges, they would surely have to tell the bank it's a casino, otherwise they would be lying, at least in part, in order to get the dispute going. This in itself would be fraud. If the bank found out the charges were for a a casino, they are likely to investigate all past charges for ANY casino, not just the disputed ones for Rushmore, and charge back the lot. This has already happened to one US member here.

As for the "frozen" funds at BOA. If they have really been frozen, they are NOT going to be returned, so when Rushmore say they will only reprocess when the original funds get returned, they are saying they are not going to pay as they no longer accept it is their responsibilty.

If it turns out that all these payments get reprocessed after months of stalling, then they were never really "frozen" in the first place, and the whole thing was just another stalling tactic.

Non US players have also reported payment delays, so this is NOT just an issue with processing to the US, it is a more general processing problem.

No need to tell the bank it is a casino as that is not what the "debit transaction" reflects. So saying you did not buy a bike in Dubai is not
a lie. But, it then is in the best interest of the casino to make sure they pay you as obviously the processor has no proof you bought a bike. See.

As for the "frozen" funds at BOA. If they have really been frozen, they are NOT going to be returned, so when Rushmore say they will only reprocess when the original funds get returned, they are saying they are not going to pay as they no longer accept it is their responsibilty.

They are the ones that contracted with the processor not the player and if the funds were frozen when the processor transfered funds to BOA account of theirs or someone they contracted with, it is not the players fault and Rushmore still owes the money to the player. If you disagree with this then you are saying that if you buy merchandise from a company shipping it from overseas and it is confiscated by customs, the company doesn't owe your a refund. Why do you think Rushmore or any other casino or e-wallet should be "off-the-hook"?

Whether it is a u.s. or general processing problem isn't an issue. They money is still owed the player as the casino received the funds they deposited and at the very least, the money the player deposited between this and a previous withdrawal should be returned to the card or account they used to make their deposits. Why include all deposits made between withdrawals? Because in my opinion that is the amount it took to finally win and request a withdrawal. And, likely, that amount will be enough to pay the player the amount they won . (the refunds should only equal the amount the casino owes the player)

Why should a players account be terminated as high risk when the casino has received the funds deposited and they are the ones defaulting on their own terms?

They didn't close my account as I have played with them consistantly for over 5 years and understood that I was p.o.'d and also knew they were at fault. This is why I was finally paid via wire when the new processor came on board. They know that players never recieved their December wires and to their credit have been attempting to make good on those withdrawals. They know if they don't, they will lose a huge amount of deposit revenue.

Player help and forums should support players that have not been paid, not the casinos and if a casino is not promoted by the website, they should have nothing to say regarding the extreme method a player has at their disposal to get paid the money owed them. It would be different if it was an approved casino IMO.

 

[Tirilej]

No need to tell the bank it is a casino as that is not what the "debit transaction" reflects. So saying you did not buy a bike in Dubai is not
a lie. But, it then is in the best interest of the casino to make sure they pay you as obviously the processor has no proof you bought a bike. See.




They are the ones that contracted with the processor not the player and if the funds were frozen when the processor transfered funds to BOA account of theirs or someone they contracted with, it is not the players fault and Rushmore still owes the money to the player. If you disagree with this then you are saying that if you buy merchandise from a company shipping it from overseas and it is confiscated by customs, the company doesn't owe your a refund. Why do you think Rushmore or any other casino or e-wallet should be "off-the-hook"?

Whether it is a u.s. or general processing problem isn't an issue. They money is still owed the player as the casino received the funds they deposited and at the very least, the money the player deposited between this and a previous withdrawal should be returned to the card or account they used to make their deposits. Why include all deposits made between withdrawals? Because in my opinion that is the amount it took to finally win and request a withdrawal. And, likely, that amount will be enough to pay the player the amount they won . (the refunds should only equal the amount the casino owes the player)

Why should a players account be terminated as high risk when the casino has received the funds deposited and they are the ones defaulting on their own terms?

They didn't close my account as I have played with them consistantly for over 5 years and understood that I was p.o.'d and also knew they were at fault. This is why I was finally paid via wire when the new processor came on board. They know that players never recieved their December wires and to their credit have been attempting to make good on those withdrawals. They know if they don't, they will lose a huge amount of deposit revenue.

Player help and forums should support players that have not been paid, not the casinos and if a casino is not promoted by the website, they should have nothing to say regarding the extreme method a player has at their disposal to get paid the money owed them. It would be different if it was an approved casino IMO.

I feel I have to ask you after reading this post.
Did you read Bryans post a page back and have you been reading the rules he has made for this forum? Especially those about fraud and chargebacks?

If I'm not also on your ignorelist I must say that I will not be surprised if this was you final post.

 

[Surasanji]

No need to tell the bank it is a casino as that is not what the "debit transaction" reflects. So saying you did not buy a bike in Dubai is not
a lie. But, it then is in the best interest of the casino to make sure they pay you as obviously the processor has no proof you bought a bike. See.




They are the ones that contracted with the processor not the player and if the funds were frozen when the processor transfered funds to BOA account of theirs or someone they contracted with, it is not the players fault and Rushmore still owes the money to the player. If you disagree with this then you are saying that if you buy merchandise from a company shipping it from overseas and it is confiscated by customs, the company doesn't owe your a refund. Why do you think Rushmore or any other casino or e-wallet should be "off-the-hook"?

Whether it is a u.s. or general processing problem isn't an issue. They money is still owed the player as the casino received the funds they deposited and at the very least, the money the player deposited between this and a previous withdrawal should be returned to the card or account they used to make their deposits. Why include all deposits made between withdrawals? Because in my opinion that is the amount it took to finally win and request a withdrawal. And, likely, that amount will be enough to pay the player the amount they won . (the refunds should only equal the amount the casino owes the player)

Why should a players account be terminated as high risk when the casino has received the funds deposited and they are the ones defaulting on their own terms?

They didn't close my account as I have played with them consistantly for over 5 years and understood that I was p.o.'d and also knew they were at fault. This is why I was finally paid via wire when the new processor came on board. They know that players never recieved their December wires and to their credit have been attempting to make good on those withdrawals. They know if they don't, they will lose a huge amount of deposit revenue.

Player help and forums should support players that have not been paid, not the casinos and if a casino is not promoted by the website, they should have nothing to say regarding the extreme method a player has at their disposal to get paid the money owed them. It would be different if it was an approved casino IMO.

We can mince words here, but there is a fact:

A Gambler must EXPECT to lose their money. It is gambling. As long as the casino has not patently refused to pay you- or has a term that GUARANTEES a cashout within a specific time period, there is not a non-fraudulent way to get your deposit back.

Depositing with casinos that slow pay is an entirely different sort of gamble, I agree- but the advice everyone should be following is not to play at ANY casino that doesn't treat its players with some small modicum of respect.

A Casino not paying you in a 'timely' manner is spitting in your face. A casino that consistently isn't paying you, or other players in a 'timely' manner is clearly a casino with an issue. An issue that can only be solved, by the players, when they go somewhere else and deposit at a casino that doesn't treat them like offal.

While the experiences some have had with a particular casino group might be unique- remember. If you post a lot on Casinomeister, a shadier casino very well might treat you better than another player who has no clue who, or what CM is. Why wouldn't they? You'll be free advertising.

 

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I feel I have to ask you after reading this post.
Did you read Bryans post a page back and have you been reading the rules he has made for this forum? Especially those about fraud and chargebacks?

If I'm not also on your ignorelist I must say that I will not be surprised if this was you final post.

Bryan and Casinomeister.com forum rules pertain to chargebacks, disputing a charge is not a chargeback. Disputes are made so that the Bank can arbitrate a dispute between the customer and the entity submitting charges. In Rushmores case, they are "way beyond stated payout times", and since they are not approved at casinomeister.com, no player is asking for or would get assistance from Bryan in getting paid.They are on their own.
Players have a right to dispute transactions when a merchant fails to follow the terms and conditions stated on their websites. And, in regard to unaccredited casinos, players who have been waiting far beyond the usual payout time have a right to seek redemdy. If you don't be they do, then you believe players have no right to seek a legal remedy in they are defrauded. I simply don't see why you would side with a casino that has basically lied to its players, failed to pay them and continues to take and be paid deposited funds.

In this case, you side with the corrupt casino instead of a player that has deposited in good faith, followed the terms and conditions and is being basically cheated out of not only the money they deposited but their winnings. Who would possibly care if a player disputed transactions up to the amount they are owed from a casino that you don't even consider to be reputable. Perhaps the more players that dispute would force the casino to take another path.

I didn't chargeback, I have not told anyone to chargeback but have advised players that have been defrauded that they have a legal right to dispute and have their bank arbitrate the transactions for them .

 

[footdr]

We can mince words here, but there is a fact:

A Gambler must EXPECT to lose their money. It is gambling. As long as the casino has not patently refused to pay you- or has a term that GUARANTEES a cashout within a specific time period, there is not a non-fraudulent way to get your deposit back.

Depositing with casinos that slow pay is an entirely different sort of gamble, I agree- but the advice everyone should be following is not to play at ANY casino that doesn't treat its players with some small modicum of respect.

A Casino not paying you in a 'timely' manner is spitting in your face. A casino that consistently isn't paying you, or other players in a 'timely' manner is clearly a casino with an issue. An issue that can only be solved, by the players, when they go somewhere else and deposit at a casino that doesn't treat them like offal.

While the experiences some have had with a particular casino group might be unique- remember. If you post a lot on Casinomeister, a shadier casino very well might treat you better than another player who has no clue who, or what CM is. Why wouldn't they? You'll be free advertising.

"A Gambler must EXPECt to lose their money". So does that mean they should expect to lose their money and additionally not be paid when they win?

I think not. And, doen't a player or a Customer of any online business have a legal right to be given the services they paid for including any winnings the website provides and expect the websites terms and conditions to be followed and complied with? I don't care if they are approved or not. That legally makes no difference.

Not one player in this thread has made a positive comment about the rushmore group so your statement regarding "free advertising" makes absolutely no sence whatsoever.

we are talking about players who haven't been paid and the legal options they have to remedy the situation.

 

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Nifty, she did put you on her ignorelist so she might not see your question.
Maybe that should be respected...or she will at least see it now so she can chose to respond, or not

Per Bryan I can only see Nifty's posts if he quotes me. I actually find it useless to respond to any of Nifty's comments. If you notice, he normally has a negative comment about every comment by a member. Many members have pm'd me that they are tired of his worthless comments. And many ignore him.

Unless a member has "skin in the game" and plays at the casino the thread is in reference to, IMO their comments are probably useful or informative as a member who plays at the casino in question or perhaps is having the same issue.

This is just my opinion (IMO) and naturally any member can make as many uninformative or informative comments as they wish.

 

[footdr]

Again I comment and ask.........

"A Gambler must EXPECt to lose their money"

.

So does that mean they should expect to lose their money and additionally not be paid when they win?

I think not. And, doen't a player or a Customer of any online business have a legal right to be given the services they paid for including any winnings the website promises and expect the websites terms and conditions to be followed and complied with? I don't care if they are approved or not. That legally makes no difference.

Not one player in this thread has made a positive comment about the rushmore group so so members commenting that other member are promoting the casino group are wrong. we are talking about players who haven't been paid with a time frame far beyond that represented by the casinos website and the legal options they have to remedy the situation.

Also, Niffty if you want me to respond then you will have to quote one of my comments as you are on my ignore list and have been for a very long time. You aren't the only one, there are several members on my ignore list as I am not a member here to be verbally abused. I joined to get information and provide and help other players if I can. I would think that should be every member goal and reason for joining this forum.

Anyone else agree?

 

[Surasanji]

"A Gambler must EXPECt to lose their money". So does that mean they should expect to lose their money and additionally not be paid when they win?

I think not. And, doen't a player or a Customer of any online business have a legal right to be given the services they paid for including any winnings the website provides and expect the websites terms and conditions to be followed and complied with? I don't care if they are approved or not. That legally makes no difference.

Not one player in this thread has made a positive comment about the rushmore group so your statement regarding "free advertising" makes absolutely no sence whatsoever.

we are talking about players who haven't been paid and the legal options they have to remedy the situation.

I was speaking, of course, of the 'Ten Commandments' of Gambling (C&Ped from this link:

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Thou shalt not cheat.

No explanation necessary.


Thou shalt honor thy gambling debts.

A true gentleman honors his debts, especially gambling debts. When making a bet with another person you are putting your honor on the line. If you lose, you pay. No excuses!


Thou shalt expect to lose.

The Las Vegas Strip was not built by winners. Even with good rules and strategy the odds are still usually in the casino’s favor. So don’t get mad if you lose. Think of it as the price you pay for entertainment.

Thou shalt trust the odds, not hunches.

If you want to maximize your odds then believe in mathematically proven strategies, not hunches. If hunches are so great why are there so many psychics working the Boardwalk in Atlantic City as opposed to playing?


Thou shalt not overbet thy bankroll.

Before you gamble determine what you can safely afford to gamble with - as entertainment money. Stick to your limits and don’t gamble with money you need for necessities.

Thou shalt not believe in betting systems.

For every one legitimate gambling writer there are a hundred charlatans trying to sell worthless betting systems promising an easy way to beat the casinos. I know it sounds like a cliché, but if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

Thou shalt not hedge thy bets.

Hedge bets usually carry a high house edge. For example, never take insurance in blackjack and never bet the any craps or any seven in craps. Exceptions can be made for insuring life changing amounts of money.

Thou shalt covet good rules.

Rules vary from casino to casino. To improve your odds know good rules from bad and then seek out the best rules possible.

Thou shalt not make side bets.

Side bets are sucker bets. Period.

Thou shalt have good gambling etiquette.

Gambling is a lot more fun when people are polite and respect each other. It is also good etiquette to tip for good service.


With all that said I feel you are taking only slices of my post, and hyper-focusing on them to try and prove a point instead of taking the whole thing and trying to understand what I was saying.

You yourself have repeatedly disseminated information from the Rushmore group onto this forum- this thread in particular. VIPs being paid out and such. Please, correct me if I'm misremembering that.

I do, in fact, respect what you are TRYING to do here. CM is all about protecting players- but not only is suggesting people CB against forum rules, you have to realize that people BELIEVE what they read.

A lot of these casino companies have lists of players that are passed around like a joint in Jamaica- a single THREAT of CB will lead to being shown the door not only in the Casino you made the threat at, but any associated with them. And possibly any that use the same software.

Should one of these casinos experience a legitimate payment issue, something beyond their control, a player who has read this thread might just jump the gun and do something that'll make it harder for them to enjoy the past-time they love. And do so for only having partial knowledge.

And I think we can all agree that a Casino is supposed to play its players when they win. So, I shall say again what I said before: A Casino not paying you in a 'timely' manner is spitting in your face. A casino that consistently isn't paying you, or other players in a 'timely' manner is clearly a casino with an issue. An issue that can only be solved, by the players, when they go somewhere else and deposit at a casino that doesn't treat them like offal.

 

[Nifty29]

Bryan and Casinomeister.com forum rules pertain to chargebacks, disputing a charge is not a chargeback. Disputes are made so that the Bank can arbitrate a dispute between the customer and the entity submitting charges. In Rushmores case, they are "way beyond stated payout times", and since they are not approved at casinomeister.com, no player is asking for or would get assistance from Bryan in getting paid.They are on their own.
Players have a right to dispute transactions when a merchant fails to follow the terms and conditions stated on their websites. And, in regard to unaccredited casinos, players who have been waiting far beyond the usual payout time have a right to seek redemdy. If you don't be they do, then you believe players have no right to seek a legal remedy in they are defrauded. I simply don't see why you would side with a casino that has basically lied to its players, failed to pay them and continues to take and be paid deposited funds.

In this case, you side with the corrupt casino instead of a player that has deposited in good faith, followed the terms and conditions and is being basically cheated out of not only the money they deposited but their winnings. Who would possibly care if a player disputed transactions up to the amount they are owed from a casino that you don't even consider to be reputable. Perhaps the more players that dispute would force the casino to take another path.

I didn't chargeback, I have not told anyone to chargeback but have advised players that have been defrauded that they have a legal right to dispute and have their bank arbitrate the transactions for them .

You still don't get it.

A CHARGEBACK = A DISPUTED TRANSACTION as far as ONLINE CASINOS and CASINOMEISTER is concerned.

You have NO legal qualifications and have NO right to be giving legal advice, especially given that you completely ignore what even Bryan is telling you.

You used THREATS of CHARGEBACKS to force a casino to pay. It's wrong, and you know it.....but then you have stated that other players and the rules that apply to them mean nothing to you, as long as you get paid.

 

[Nifty29]

Per Bryan I can only see Nifty's posts if he quotes me. I actually find it useless to respond to any of Nifty's comments. If you notice, he normally has a negative comment about every comment by a member. Many members have pm'd me that they are tired of his worthless comments. And many ignore him.

Unless a member has "skin in the game" and plays at the casino the thread is in reference to, IMO their comments are probably useful or informative as a member who plays at the casino in question or perhaps is having the same issue.

This is just my opinion (IMO) and naturally any member can make as many uninformative or informative comments as they wish.

Again.....you take on the unassigned task of moderating a thread.

It is NOT up to YOU to decide who can or cannot post in a thread, and the VALUE of that post in regards to the issues at hand.

"Many members.....blah blah blah.....useless comments"..... Honestly. you have to "quote" nameless people now? Yet again, you have NO RIGHT to decide what comment is worthless or otherwise, or whether someone is allowed to make it.

The problem you constantly have is that you try to give the impression that you are "taking the high road", when in fact you take far more personal swipes than I do, especially these days, most likely because you're understanding of most of the issues is limited because you choose to ignore any and all facts that don't fit with your POV. Encouraging other members, and threatening to yourself, commit fraud.....doesn't get much more "low road" than that.

I also notice that, even though you have me on your ignore list, you still feel the need to respond. Not much point being on the ignore list really is it? Don't try and play the victim here. It doesn't wash.

 

[chuchu59]

You still don't get it.

A CHARGEBACK = A DISPUTED TRANSACTION as far as ONLINE CASINOS and CASINOMEISTER is concerned.

You have NO legal qualifications and have NO right to be giving legal advice, especially given that you completely ignore what even Bryan is telling you.

You used THREATS of CHARGEBACKS to force a casino to pay. It's wrong, and you know it.....but then you have stated that other players and the rules that apply to them mean nothing to you, as long as you get paid.

What I dont get is why a player has to constantly post that he/she will initiate chargebacks when it can easily be done in the blink of an eye. Is someone trying to garner backing here so that this course of action will seem justified? It is obvious that most players who have recently deposited at Rushmore knew about the payment delays before depositing and they actually are accepting the fact that they could be paid much later. 'Crying foul' under these circumstances and threatening chargebacks just shows that these people have no integrity whatsoever and imo this is no different from what Babs did a couple of years ago.

 

[footdr]

What I dont get is why a player has to constantly post that he/she will initiate chargebacks when it can easily be done in the blink of an eye. Is someone trying to garner backing here so that this course of action will seem justified? It is obvious that most players who have recently deposited at Rushmore knew about the payment delays before depositing and they actually are accepting the fact that they could be paid much later. 'Crying foul' under these circumstances and threatening chargebacks just shows that these people have no integrity whatsoever and imo this is no different from what Babs did a couple of years ago.

Many players deposited because they have played and been paid for many years, despite cm not approving them. They were accredited on many other websites, including casinocity.com.

As far as what Nifty had to say about chargebacks. It doesn't matter what casinos or any website considers a chargeback. What matters is what a chargeback is considered under banking regulations including credit and debit cards. A dispute is legally not a chargeback. They are far different. And, while I am not a lawyer, I had many college law courses because it was required for my degree. And, I have testified in court for businesses. And, I have owned a business for over 35+ years, accepting visa, mc and AMEX and therefore know the rules and laws that apply. Also, I have had to dispute transactions not related to casinos before and know what the terms dispute and chargeback mean.

Try calling your bank and asking them to "chargeback" a transaction and see what they say. You as a customer have no control over a chargeback it is between the bank and entity that submitted the charge to your account. Again, simply disputing does not result in a chargeback and until the entity has been given 60-90 days to respond and a final decision is made by the bank or card company, NOTHING is chargedback. Get it.

So if the dispute is resloved in favor of the merchant, nothing is chargedback. The bank gives you back your money, not the merchant while investing the dispute.

So I don't care what anyone calls it, a dispute is not a chargeback until the charge is reversed by the bank following an investigation.

The merchant has 90 days to resolve it and in this case that means paying what they owe.

 

[Nifty29]

Many players deposited because they have played and been paid for many years, despite cm not approving them. They were accredited on many other websites, including casinocity.com.

As far as what Nifty had to say about chargebacks. It doesn't matter what casinos or any website considers a chargeback. What matters is what a chargeback is considered under banking regulations including credit and debit cards. A dispute is legally not a chargeback. They are far different. And, while I am not a lawyer, I had many college law courses because it was required for my degree. And, I have testified in court for businesses. And, I have owned a business for over 35+ years, accepting visa, mc and AMEX and therefore know the rules and laws that apply. Also, I have had to dispute transactions not related to casinos before and know what the terms dispute and chargeback mean.

Try calling your bank and asking them to "chargeback" a transaction and see what they say. You as a customer have no control over a chargeback it is between the bank and entity that submitted the charge to your account. Again, simply disputing does not result in a chargeback and until the entity has been given 60-90 days to respond and a final decision is made by the bank or card company, NOTHING is chargedback. Get it.

So if the dispute is resloved in favor of the merchant, nothing is chargedback. The bank gives you back your money, not the merchant while investing the dispute.

So I don't care what anyone calls it, a dispute is not a chargeback until the charge is reversed by the bank following an investigation.

The merchant has 90 days to resolve it and in this case that means paying what they owe.

It DOES matter what a casino or Bryan calls a chargeback....yes i AGREE with you that the PROPER term is dispute.

When you say dispute, its the same thing as when Bryan etc says chargeback. Nobody is saying chargeback is the PROPER name for it...its just the term that the casino industry uses to describe a dispute. You're just trying to deflect attention away from the fact that you think disputing transactions is OK to get what you want by making it about words.

Players like you who threaten to dispute, or actually dispute, deposits should be weeded out and placed on an industry blacklist. In fact, I think i might draw several casino managers attention to this thread and to your personal comments, and see if they're happy to continue doing business with you knowing that you'll just dispute your deposits if things don't go your way.

 

[P.V.]

Dispute/Chargeback

Maybe this will help with definitions.

A dispute is filed by the cardholder, disputing a transaction/charge.

A chargeback is what a IGaming site would incur if in fact the dispute is valid and approved by a Financial Institution, or processor.

I deal with this stuff all the time in my primary business and I've also enclosed a dispute notice received so everyone can see. Of course I painted all the details out for security reasons but you'll see the term dispute and chargeback both used.

Again, dispute is the process and chargeback is the outcome if successful.

 

[chuchu59]

As far as this forum is concerned a chargeback is the process and a suspension/ban is the result/consequence.

 

[Tirilej]

Per Bryan I can only see Nifty's posts if he quotes me. I actually find it useless to respond to any of Nifty's comments. If you notice, he normally has a negative comment about every comment by a member. Many members have pm'd me that they are tired of his worthless comments. And many ignore him.

Unless a member has "skin in the game" and plays at the casino the thread is in reference to, IMO their comments are probably useful or informative as a member who plays at the casino in question or perhaps is having the same issue.

This is just my opinion (IMO) and naturally any member can make as many uninformative or informative comments as they wish.

Well, I didn't report this post, it speaks for itself. But I did report the other post you made that I thought would be your final.
I feel that this has to stop. You are so stubborn and no matter how many people trying to explain this to you you just won't listen.

Most Rep's for the casinos are already reading this thread, so don't be surprised Footdr if you one day find yourself not being able to log in to your accounts. I can assure you that you being a Vip everywhere won't help you at all.

 

[chuchu59]

Well, I didn't report this post, it speaks for itself. But I did report the other post you made that I thought would be your final.
I feel that this has to stop. You are so stubborn and no matter how many people trying to explain this to you you just won't listen.

Most Rep's for the casinos are already reading this thread, so don't be surprised Footdr if you one day find yourself not being able to log in to your accounts. I can assure you that you being a Vip everywhere won't help you at all.

I doubt whether its just stubborness. Its more like a wily plot to take advantage of the system for one's own benefit. One second its a threat of chargebacks and claiming to be a victim of shoddy treatment from casinos and the next second she's suddenly praising an out-and-out rogue (Slos of Vegas) like an angel. Players should be careful of that person and not follow what she does as she (footdr) is only doing this for her personal benefits. Chargebacks are definitely considered a no-no in this industry unless you want to carve a bad name for yourself and no longer want to be involved any longer. Please see for yourself what a hypocrite this person is! I understand many have spoken for her in the past but its time to open up your eyes. In a nutshell, this person has no integrity whatsoever.

 

[Nifty29]

Maybe this will help with definitions.

A dispute is filed by the cardholder, disputing a transaction/charge.

A chargeback is what a IGaming site would incur if in fact the dispute is valid and approved by a Financial Institution, or processor.

I deal with this stuff all the time in my primary business and I've also enclosed a dispute notice received so everyone can see. Of course I painted all the details out for security reasons but you'll see the term dispute and chargeback both used.

Again, dispute is the process and chargeback is the outcome if successful.

100% agree....and I agree with footdr that what CM and casinos call a "chargeback" SHOULD be called a "dispute".

HOWEVER...this is NOT the issue. When we refer to a "chargeback" at CM we are referring to a "dispute".....so we can read the rules posted by Bryan exactly as they appear EXCEPT we can substitute one word for the other.

HENCE,....DISPUTING deposits or threatening to do so is AGAINST THE RULES both at CM and casinos, and is considered to be PLAYER FRAUD.

Chargebacks hurt ALL HONEST players in the end via higher fees for deposits and cashouts, lower bonuses, higher WR, and less perks in general. It also means jumping through more and more hoops to get verified and paid.

Anyone reading this thread who cares about the effects that fraud has on their own gaming experience should ask Bryan to consider banning or suspending footdr and anyone else who openly touts chargebacks as a method of claiming winnings. I will be doing my bit and contacting casino managers I know personally and asking them to express their objection to the kind of irresponsible, uneducated and ill-considered advice given by footdr in this and other threads. Honest players need to take a stand against those who feel the rules only apply to us and not them.

The fact that footdr, as Chu pointed out, is now singing the praises of the V1rtual group based purely on personal greed in accepting a freebie from, and announcing their willingness to deposit to, a group that probably owes millions to innocent players over a devade. Who cares about others, as long as YOU get paid eh? In the next breath, she is stating how CM should be all about "helping other members blah blah blah"......as this member "helps" all the CM members ripped off by this mob over the years by playing at their casino, winning, and writing a glowing review about how they are "better than club world and inetbet". If this doesn't tell you something about this persons integrity, then I don't know what does.

Lastly, before anyone accuses me of personal insults, remember that truth is a defense to libel etc...and I can substantiate everything I've said.

I've said all I can. It's up to others to express their feelings and opinions on this appalling behavior from footdr and let them and others know that you refuse to continue to pay the price for the selfish actions of others.

 

[bb28]

Something that I think is relevant to the discussion of disputes/chargebacks is that it's doubtful that a casino taking US funds is going to take a risk of trying to arbitrate against the dispute. Footdr no doubt knows this.

 

[Surasanji]

Something that I think is relevant to the discussion of disputes/chargebacks is that it's doubtful that a casino taking US funds is going to take a risk of trying to arbitrate against the dispute. Footdr no doubt knows this.

I wish I could WTG that too. :notworthy

 

[Gret]

Sitting here in Fort Lauderdale drinking coffee and watching ESPN on a nice Sunday morning. I just read the last few days’s of posts in this thread and fell ill.

There is no doubt that "footdr” is right as rain and should be respected...

Now, if whatever "footdr" does violates the board's rules, so be it. They have the right to do anything they want as it is their bat and ball. Other posters, in my opinion, don’t have the right to interpret the rules or bait other posters. I certainly would never do that, nor would most others…

It looks like the salami is getting cut pretty thin about the “dispute” versus “chargeback” issue. If my card gets hit with a charge from a casino that I didn’t authorize, are we saying that I cannot dispute this charge without fear of reprisal?

It is truly unfortunate that Rushmore even has the ability to accept any deposits whatsoever…other online casinos should be monitoring the situation and reporting them to the deposit processors as it would be good for the industry.

 

[Gret]

..."Lastly, before anyone accuses me of personal insults, remember that truth is a defense to libel etc...and I can substantiate everything I've said.

I've said all I can. It's up to others to express their feelings and opinions on this appalling behavior from footdr and let them and others know that you refuse to continue to pay the price for the selfish actions of others."...

What does this mean?

 

[bb28]

Sitting here in Fort Lauderdale drinking coffee and watching ESPN on a nice Sunday morning. I just read the last few days’s of posts in this thread and fell ill.

There is no doubt that "footdr” is right as rain and should be respected...

Now, if whatever "footdr" does violates the board's rules, so be it. They have the right to do anything they want as it is their bat and ball. Other posters, in my opinion, don’t have the right to interpret the rules or bait other posters. I certainly would never do that, nor would most others…

It looks like the salami is getting cut pretty thin about the “dispute” versus “chargeback” issue. If my card gets hit with a charge from a casino that I didn’t authorize, are we saying that I cannot dispute this charge without fear of reprisal?

It is truly unfortunate that Rushmore even has the ability to accept any deposits whatsoever…other online casinos should be monitoring the situation and reporting them to the deposit processors as it would be good for the industry.

Let's sum this up for you. footdr.......kept playing at rushmore when payments were reported as very long overdue because sometimes they paid her more quickly than others because she was a vip. Translation, rushmore knew she would keep depositing if they pacified her a bit. Seems finally she got a bit fed up with the stalls, so she started talking about chargebacks and went into great detail on what she "says" are legit reasons which have been debated quite forcefully. Now that the heat has got a little bit hotter, she now says it's not actually a chargeback, it's a dispute which anyone IMO with half a brain can clearly tell there is not much difference between the two terms. You open a dispute with a casino if you are from the US, it's damn well gonna turn into a chargeback. Here is the thing........footdr knows in the casino world, that dispute/chargeback will be treated exactly the same but keeps arguing a strawman's argument in order to make a point which is erroneous. Also.........for a long time poster and player footdr seems to not care to much about what kind of dodgy places she plays at, "just as long as she gets paid" which others feel is quite irresponsible of her considering the amount of time she has been here. That about covers it.

 

[Nifty29]

Sitting here in Fort Lauderdale drinking coffee and watching ESPN on a nice Sunday morning. I just read the last few days’s of posts in this thread and fell ill.

There is no doubt that "footdr” is right as rain and should be respected...

Now, if whatever "footdr" does violates the board's rules, so be it. They have the right to do anything they want as it is their bat and ball. Other posters, in my opinion, don’t have the right to interpret the rules or bait other posters. I certainly would never do that, nor would most others…

It looks like the salami is getting cut pretty thin about the “dispute” versus “chargeback” issue. If my card gets hit with a charge from a casino that I didn’t authorize, are we saying that I cannot dispute this charge without fear of reprisal?

It is truly unfortunate that Rushmore even has the ability to accept any deposits whatsoever…other online casinos should be monitoring the situation and reporting them to the deposit processors as it would be good for the industry.

..."Lastly, before anyone accuses me of personal insults, remember that truth is a defense to libel etc...and I can substantiate everything I've said.

I've said all I can. It's up to others to express their feelings and opinions on this appalling behavior from footdr and let them and others know that you refuse to continue to pay the price for the selfish actions of others."...

What does this mean?

Since you haven't read the thread thoroughly, I'll just explain one thing.....NOBODY has said that a player cannot dispute transactions if they didn't authorize them e.g. if their card was stolen or details stolen. The thread is about players like footdr who DID authorize the deposits and states that its OK to dispute transactions or to threaten such to get to the head of the queue, or if they had deposited enough, to use it as a withdrawal method. As bb28 pointed out, footdr KNOWS how the system works and KNOWS the casinos won't oppose the dispute for legal reasons, and hence the chargeback will most certainly go ahead with no requirement for footdr to provide any evidence or argue their case.

I'm sure you have never baited anyone or made any personal comments.....but I'll happily provide some past posts of yours, you know, just to make sure.

I'm not sure why you don't know what my statements above mean. Seems pretty clear. If honest players I.e. players who don't threaten/recommend FRAUD like disputing legitimate casino deposits, feel that this kind of crap (that COSTS honest players money) has to stop, they should let Bryan know that members who behave this way should be shown the door, or at least be sanctioned somehow. If members can be suspended for making snippy or nasty comments, then copping the same for supporting and threatening player fraud should IMO be a no-brainer.

I'm not interpreting the rules.....I am STATING them. Bryan confirmed it personally in this thread. Have another read and you will see.....if you want to, that is. If you think Bryan's silence at the moment means footdr (and you because you agree with her) are totally correct and innocent, then don't.....he is on vacation for two weeks.

As bb28 said, footdr KNEW rushnotalot was a regular and reknowned slow payer, sometimes with delays of months, so she, by extension, ACCEPTED that fact when making her deposits. Of course, she knew it was also a win-win situation for her as she had the chargeback caper up her sleeve from day one as a way to get paid quicker than others. It's selfishness of the highest order, accentuated by her recent promotion of V1rtual casino group as "better than" CM accredited casinos....all because she won some money there and wanted to get paid quicker, and no doubt telling the casino she will post here. It should make honest players, and those ripped off by these theiving scumbags, vomit.

 

[Gret]

I'm not that bright (a middle school graduate), but I got most of what was written.

A few observations and questions-

• I’m not trying to being disrespectful, but what position do you hold that grants authority to speak on behalf of "online casinos", Bryan, and countless others...and interpret the definition of dispute or chargeback?
• Isn't it a bit of hyperbole to say that all other players in the world are going to suffer harm if "footdr" twist somebody by the gonads and gets paid? I'm certainly not worried about it and I doubt that readers are laying awake at night worrying about whether "footdr" files a dispute, chargeback, or even a tax return.
• Not sure anybody needs to tell "footdr" what CM's rules are. They are posted and were submitted to this thread. If they are violated, it’s the penalty box. "footdr" appears to be a bright and articulate person who can read quite well.
• Why are contrary views (those that differ with a couple of individuals) met with what appear to be condescending remarks? Personally, I enjoy reading posts from a variety of people with differing and it appears that many are not posting anymore in fear of retribution or "put down" of some sort. It would be very sad if we end up with only a handful of people willing to say anything.
• Smarter people than me reading this thread are probably thinking that we are a bunch of twerps. This stuff just isn't that important.

Filing a dispute, chargeback, or whatever you call it isn’t going to work, the ramifications to "footdr" trying to explain the matter to the bank are severe, and it is highly doubtful that one will be filed.

 

[anniemac]

Gret,

You have hit the nail on the head. to you.

This thread has gone from the OP posting about not getting paid on time from Rushmore to a slingfest between 2 members. It's embarassing for adults to go back and forth with each other like they were kids.

When Bryan gets back, he can sort this mess out if he wants but as for me, I think this thread is done. It is serving no purpose now.

 

[Nifty29]

I'm not that bright (a middle school graduate), but I got most of what was written.

A few observations and questions-

• I’m not trying to being disrespectful, but what position do you hold that grants authority to speak on behalf of "online casinos", Bryan, and countless others...and interpret the definition of dispute or chargeback?
• Isn't it a bit of hyperbole to say that all other players in the world are going to suffer harm if "footdr" twist somebody by the gonads and gets paid? I'm certainly not worried about it and I doubt that readers are laying awake at night worrying about whether "footdr" files a dispute, chargeback, or even a tax return.
• Not sure anybody needs to tell "footdr" what CM's rules are. They are posted and were submitted to this thread. If they are violated, it’s the penalty box. "footdr" appears to be a bright and articulate person who can read quite well.
• Why are contrary views (those that differ with a couple of individuals) met with what appear to be condescending remarks? Personally, I enjoy reading posts from a variety of people with differing and it appears that many are not posting anymore in fear of retribution or "put down" of some sort. It would be very sad if we end up with only a handful of people willing to say anything.
• Smarter people than me reading this thread are probably thinking that we are a bunch of twerps. This stuff just isn't that important.

Filing a dispute, chargeback, or whatever you call it isn’t going to work, the ramifications to "footdr" trying to explain the matter to the bank are severe, and it is highly doubtful that one will be filed.

Thankyou Gret. Your comments now make total sense.

FWIW, its a poor choice to state "you would never bait other members etc' and claim the moral high ground, when you received an infraction just a few weeks ago for exactly that.

Like footdr, you're just ignoring the real issues regarding player fraud and using this board for one's own financial gain, along with promoting the worst rogues in the industry regardless of what they did and will do to fellow members. It's your choice of course, but don't trivialize what are important issues that affect EVERYONE. Some indicate they don't care, because they don't think it affects them, but it does and it will.

The only thing "smarter people than you" (your quote) will see is just how even more obvious it is that footdr is, and probably has been, using fraudulent methods, or threats thereof, to jump the queue...and that they're happy to give kudos to scumbag operators for the sake of some free money. Every member who cares about this board and what it stands for should be offended by it.

I also know that you've been around here longer than it may appear...but that's all I'm going to say about that one.....but I know.

 

[anniemac]

Nifty29,

Come on, let it die. You're not going to change anyone's opinion nor change what they do regarding chargebacks etc. Bryan will settle this if he sees it to be an issue.

There is nothing left to this thread. It has gone so far left of what it started out to be, it's not even funny.

 

[SlotsLover]

keep thread on track

Actually, I am very interested in whether or not Rushmore is paying i) the old debts, ii) the monies they have that are "frozen," and iii) whether new cashouts (if anyone is playing there) are being paid, either to US players or international players. I loved playing at their casinos and still hold out a glimmer of hope that they will become a top-rated casino once again.

Can't we keep this thread on that track?

 

[bb28]

Yes........Nifty, I think you are being baited........not worth it.

 

[nikkidog]

Rushmore

I received an email last week from Tara stating that they are going to pay me my winnings that was approved on 21/1/2011 . I was told that the winnings were frozen, but now they said that they will resend my winnings. They will not resend another wire transfer , but want to pay me by either crediting the card I deposited with or crediting my bank debit. I asked for a check, because I knew they were doing that for a while and they said they are no longer able to send checks. I have not decided which card to have it credit to yet, but I better hurry and make up my mind,before they change their minds and no pay me. has anyone else who are waiting to get paid received the same email from Tara, and what options were you given to receive your winnings by.

 

[giogio]

I received an email last week from Tara stating that they are going to pay me my winnings that was approved on 21/1/2011 . I was told that the winnings were frozen, but now they said that they will resend my winnings. They will not resend another wire transfer , but want to pay me by either crediting the card I deposited with or crediting my bank debit. I asked for a check, because I knew they were doing that for a while and they said they are no longer able to send checks. I have not decided which card to have it credit to yet, but I better hurry and make up my mind,before they change their minds and no pay me. has anyone else who are waiting to get paid received the same email from Tara, and what options were you given to receive your winnings by.

That's not an option for you since you live in the US.
They wont be able to credit back neither one.

 

[Gret]

I received an email last week from Tara stating that they are going to pay me my winnings that was approved on 21/1/2011 . I was told that the winnings were frozen, but now they said that they will resend my winnings. They will not resend another wire transfer , but want to pay me by either crediting the card I deposited with or crediting my bank debit. I asked for a check, because I knew they were doing that for a while and they said they are no longer able to send checks. I have not decided which card to have it credit to yet, but I better hurry and make up my mind,before they change their minds and no pay me. has anyone else who are waiting to get paid received the same email from Tara, and what options were you given to receive your winnings by.

Wonder why they won't send a check? This is how I receive my winnings from the two sites that I use. It works pretty slick and the time frame from one site is pretty good and the other is a lifetime, but that was a case when they sent wires.

 

[Gret]

Thankyou Gret. Your comments now make total sense.

FWIW, its a poor choice to state "you would never bait other members etc' and claim the moral high ground, when you received an infraction just a few weeks ago for exactly that.

Like footdr, you're just ignoring the real issues regarding player fraud and using this board for one's own financial gain, along with promoting the worst rogues in the industry regardless of what they did and will do to fellow members. It's your choice of course, but don't trivialize what are important issues that affect EVERYONE. Some indicate they don't care, because they don't think it affects them, but it does and it will.

The only thing "smarter people than you" (your quote) will see is just how even more obvious it is that footdr is, and probably has been, using fraudulent methods, or threats thereof, to jump the queue...and that they're happy to give kudos to scumbag operators for the sake of some free money. Every member who cares about this board and what it stands for should be offended by it.

I also know that you've been around here longer than it may appear...but that's all I'm going to say about that one.....but I know.

Sorry...the seriousness of the matter as it is presented in several posts escapes me. Bullying and ganging up on a thread poster just doesn't seem fair in any case.

Something to remember if you read my posts is..."Tongue-in-cheek" which is a phrase used as a figure of speech to imply that a statement or other production is humorously intended and it should not be taken at face value.

Fraud is a pretty harsh word by the way and I doubt that "footdr" would be a party to a fraud.

 

[chuchu59]

Sorry...the seriousness of the matter as it is presented in several posts escapes me. Bullying and ganging up on a thread poster just doesn't seem fair in any case.

Something to remember if you read my posts is..."Tongue-in-cheek" which is a phrase used as a figure of speech to imply that a statement or other production is humorously intended and it should not be taken at face value.

Fraud is a pretty harsh word by the way and I doubt that "footdr" would be a party to a fraud.

Gret,

There is a huge difference between ganging up on another poster and trying to expose hypocrisy in others. Footdr. is trying to use this forum to justify her ill-intentioned motives ie to get paid through any means, acceptable or not. If she simply wanted to chargeback I am a-okay with that but she sounds as if she were the victim which she really isnt. She deposited in the full knowledge that she would get paid much later yet she did it anyway and is contemplating disputing the charges because she didnt get paid within the timeframe she wanted. Rogue as Rushmore is, this cannot be acceptable as by depositing after they were known as late-payers one is accepting the fact that one will be paid later than usual. In fact, foodr has gone through these delays before so why suddenly an urge to chargeback.

Bullying other posters is dead wrong but as longer-time members here I believe we have the duty to raise doubts on questionable ethical behaviour by some who are perceived to set poor examples to newbies. Yes, it may 'seem' to be the high moral ground but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

 

[nikkidog]

Rushmore

Why do you say that it is not an option for me in the US. I know some people who had been credited to their pre paid cards and also their bank debit card and they are in the US,and have had no problems. I don't know why they won't send me a check, It would make it a lot easier they said they only did it for a short period of time and are not longer sending checks.

 

[vinylweatherman]

For US players, the option to lodge a dispute with the bank is a loophole in the system, as they are guaranteed to win regardless of the legitimacy of the complaint. It is all very well saying to the bank "I didn't buy anything from Dubai", but this is an example of being "economical with the truth" rather than telling an outright lie. US players know how things work, so would essentially be lying to their banks, known as a "lie through omission", rather than a traditional "blatant lie".

A dispute like this has NEVER been a means to recover winnings, only to recover the purchase price of specific goods or services that was not received. Gaining winnings involves lying about not receiving the service from previous deposits that were played and lost.

"last resort" means that all possible alternatives have been tried, and all have failed. This is not yet the case with Rushmore, who DO pay in the end after enough pressure has been applied. Virtual also pay if enough pressure is applied, but unlike Rushmore, with Virtual it is a deliberate policy to ONLY pay those players who know how to twist their arm, or where making payment would ensure they get benefit in kind, such as more deposits or good reviews.

Pressure and publicity currently ensures players eventually see their money, but for how long? Continuing to deposit there just because they eventually paid up last time is KNOWINGLY taking a risk that the next time might be the time you get screwed for good. Rushmore manage to struggle on BECAUSE they are still able to encourage players to carry on depositing. They use the "things have changed" argument, usually "we now have a new processor, and the problems are over". This works well when players have the memory span of a goldfish, but the sheer number of times these "new processors" turn out to be no different from the old and have to be replaced yet again, should tell us this is much more than a "processor problem".


If a player has had to use extreme meaures, and even threaten to take the dispute "nuclear", just to get paid, they should be uninstalling the casino, NOT depositing again when they next claim that "things have changed".

I don't think anything short of new ownership, management, and processing, is going to improve things long term at Rushmore.

Threatening a chargeback works because operators allow it to in many cases. It does not necessarily mean they know they are in the wrong. It is a bit like having your child kidnapped, and being asked to pay an affordable ransom. You know it is wrong to pay up, but you WILL. This is why those Somali pirates have been so successful, despite universal condemnation of their actions. Operators would benefit considerably from regulation, as they would then be able to stand up to spurious chargeback threats, and have the player making them fear the consequences. If you lie to your card issuer, and the merchant can prove it, YOU are the one getting jailed for fraud. It would be much harder to do this in the UK, as gambling deposits appear as such on card statements, and operators need not fear challenging any such dispute. They could even counter claim through the courts if the player managed to trick the bank into letting it go ahead.

 

[anniemac]

Chu,

While Nifty is correct in what he is says, at some point there has to be an end to the back and forth between Footdr and him.

Yes, Footdr knew that Rushmore paid slower than a herd of turtles and had been doing so for over a year. Yes, she threatened to do chargebacks which are very much against the rules of this forum. Yes, she got paid when she threatened them (I assume that was the reason). We really don't know if she would have done chargebacks and if she had never posted the threats on here, we would have never known about it. Poor judgement on all points.

But what has come down now between Nifty and Footdr is serving no purpose in regards to new members except to maybe make them run for the hills. I don't think that what has become of this thread will make even the most inexperienced online player want to play at Rushmore.

Some folks just like to poke Nifty with a stick just to tick him off. However, while I sometime don't agree with his method of delivery, he is usually correct.

Just a little something else. Years ago when Rushmore came online I played there. I started a thread about them and took a pretty good smashing from Lotso over them. Guess he was correct. They've turned out to be a dodgy as Virtual. LOL!

 

[Gret]

Gret,

There is a huge difference between ganging up on another poster and trying to expose hypocrisy in others. Footdr. is trying to use this forum to justify her ill-intentioned motives ie to get paid through any means, acceptable or not. If she simply wanted to chargeback I am a-okay with that but she sounds as if she were the victim which she really isnt. She deposited in the full knowledge that she would get paid much later yet she did it anyway and is contemplating disputing the charges because she didnt get paid within the timeframe she wanted. Rogue as Rushmore is, this cannot be acceptable as by depositing after they were known as late-payers one is accepting the fact that one will be paid later than usual. In fact, foodr has gone through these delays before so why suddenly an urge to chargeback.

Bullying other posters is dead wrong but as longer-time members here I believe we have the duty to raise doubts on questionable ethical behaviour by some who are perceived to set poor examples to newbies. Yes, it may 'seem' to be the high moral ground but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

As usual, you articulated your position well and in a civil manner.

I agree...almost a 100%...with your comments. The whole "footdr" thing is overblown without all the facts known and assumptions being made that may be inaccurate. What "footdr" does is "footdr" business and the world isn't going to come to an end based on whatever occurs with "footfr".

I disagree with the position that there is a duty to babysit “newbies”. I would make the point that it may not be a good idea to do something and move on. Badgering, or trying to censor, a poster is bad business. We cannot take care of care of the world and most people have to learn thru their mistakes.

The devil is Rushmore and they, not the player, should receive our wrath. How to do is the question. If we would spend as much time on this issue versus what a dispute/chargeback is, we would be better off. Let’s bring a solution, rather than additional problems, to the table to help these people. Rushmore was on the good guy list for a long time and they violated the “seal of approval”.

BTW, assuming you are in Hong Kong, I’ve spent a lot of time at the Peninsula, Hyatt at Pacific Place, and Club Boss. Use to go there when it was called Club Volvo.

 

[footdr]

Chu,

While Nifty is correct in what he is says, at some point there has to be an end to the back and forth between Footdr and him.

Yes, Footdr knew that Rushmore paid slower than a herd of turtles and had been doing so for over a year. Yes, she threatened to do chargebacks which are very much against the rules of this forum. Yes, she got paid when she threatened them (I assume that was the reason). We really don't know if she would have done chargebacks and if she had never posted the threats on here, we would have never known about it. Poor judgement on all points.

But what has come down now between Nifty and Footdr is serving no purpose in regards to new members except to maybe make them run for the hills. I don't think that what has become of this thread will make even the most inexperienced online player want to play at Rushmore.

Some folks just like to poke Nifty with a stick just to tick him off. However, while I sometime don't agree with his method of delivery, he is usually correct.

Just a little something else. Years ago when Rushmore came online I played there. I started a thread about them and took a pretty good smashing from Lotso over them. Guess he was correct. They've turned out to be a dodgy as Virtual. LOL!

No, I couldn't have done the chargebacks as the legal time frame had passed. I actually told my vip rep that I might have to take legal action in the form of disputing charges up to the amount they owed me. Upon that he promised I would be paid as soon as the new processor was up and running and I was paid as he promised. If that is what it took for me to get paid, so be it.

Plus, not once did I promote the casino by posting any positive remarks or urging anyone to deposit with the group. Just the opposite.

And, I have had many members P.M. me asking questions and asking for assistance. All were appreciative. And I assume all didn't want to post their questions or ask for specific assistance in the main forum as the majority commenting in the thread, who arent awaiting payment apparently have nothing to say as far as helping them get payment, but instead just basically tell them it is their own fault and they shouldn't have played there.

 

[footdr]

Why do you say that it is not an option for me in the US. I know some people who had been credited to their pre paid cards and also their bank debit card and they are in the US,and have had no problems. I don't know why they won't send me a check, It would make it a lot easier they said they only did it for a short period of time and are not longer sending checks.

Abby it is an option but Rushmore told me they couldn't credit my cards back because the processor wouldn't do it as I hadn't deposited since the time I made my withdrawal in December. They could have done it. But then the new processor sent me a wire.

So perhaps now it has become the only option they have. Our business takes master/visa and we have credited back money to patients accounts several times. Any merchant can credit back money but only up to the amount of charges you made with them as merchants aren't suppose to give credits over and above the amount of money you charged with them.

 

[footdr]

..."Lastly, before anyone accuses me of personal insults, remember that truth is a defense to libel etc...and I can substantiate everything I've said.

I've said all I can. It's up to others to express their feelings and opinions on this appalling behavior from footdr and let them and others know that you refuse to continue to pay the price for the selfish actions of others."...

What does this mean?

Selfish actions? All I have done from the beginning was to keep other players in the same boat as me up to date on what I was hearing from the casino and status of my December wire. Just as others waiting for payment have and are still doing. Also, I have never promoted the Group and advised people not to deposit as this is the worse issue I had ever experienced with them in the last 5 years. It has never taken them 3 months to pay me. If it had, I would have never played there again. And, I haven't played there since making my withdrawal in December.

Nifty was and is on my "ignore" list. The only time I can even see what he says is if he quotes me or someone else quotes him. I have every right in the world to respond to his remarks.

I would like just one member to tell me what behavior has been appalling or selfish.

 

[chuchu59]

As usual, you articulated your position well and in a civil manner.

I agree...almost a 100%...with your comments. The whole "footdr" thing is overblown without all the facts known and assumptions being made that may be inaccurate. What "footdr" does is "footdr" business and the world isn't going to come to an end based on whatever occurs with "footfr".

I disagree with the position that there is a duty to babysit “newbies”. I would make the point that it may not be a good idea to do something and move on. Badgering, or trying to censor, a poster is bad business. We cannot take care of care of the world and most people have to learn thru their mistakes.

The devil is Rushmore and they, not the player, should receive our wrath. How to do is the question. If we would spend as much time on this issue versus what a dispute/chargeback is, we would be better off. Let’s bring a solution, rather than additional problems, to the table to help these people. Rushmore was on the good guy list for a long time and they violated the “seal of approval”.

BTW, assuming you are in Hong Kong, I’ve spent a lot of time at the Peninsula, Hyatt at Pacific Place, and Club Boss. Use to go there when it was called Club Volvo.

I am in Hong Kong and lived my first 30 years in Tsimshatsui which is a wonderful tourist area. The Peninsula is excellent and I think I had my first buffet there lol. I dont go to Boss or rather Volvo though it was a gathering place for the filthy rich in the 80's. I was an issuer of liquor licences then and was escorted by the Police to take a peek at this place. They were in for the long haul so they cooperated fully with the cops.Send me a pm if you plan coming again but my mobility is severely curtailed nowadays so wont be able to take you sightseeing though I can recommend something or maybe exchange experiences on mahjong if you like.

 

[Gret]

I am in Hong Kong and lived my first 30 years in Tsimshatsui which is a wonderful tourist area. The Peninsula is excellent and I think I had my first buffet there lol. I dont go to Boss or rather Volvo though it was a gathering place for the filthy rich in the 80's. I was an issuer of liquor licences then and was escorted by the Police to take a peek at this place. They were in for the long haul so they cooperated fully with the cops.Send me a pm if you plan coming again but my mobility is severely curtailed nowadays so wont be able to take you sightseeing though I can recommend something or maybe exchange experiences on mahjong if you like.

Don't spend much time in Hong Kong anymore. Tsimshatsui was a blast back in the day. My wife and I have a place in Seoul and prefer Bangkok for golf and other activities. Wanna see the new joints in Macau and Singapore, but haven't made the trip yet. A close friend of mine there says the Ritz is hopping these days.

As a 30 something joker, I was wide eyed the first time in Club Volvo getting in the miniature Rolls Royce (the Peninsula cars weren't bad either) to be driven to a table. Great entertainment in many different ways!

 

[vinylweatherman]

No, I couldn't have done the chargebacks as the legal time frame had passed. I actually told my vip rep that I might have to take legal action in the form of disputing charges up to the amount they owed me. Upon that he promised I would be paid as soon as the new processor was up and running and I was paid as he promised. If that is what it took for me to get paid, so be it.

Plus, not once did I promote the casino by posting any positive remarks or urging anyone to deposit with the group. Just the opposite.

And, I have had many members P.M. me asking questions and asking for assistance. All were appreciative. And I assume all didn't want to post their questions or ask for specific assistance in the main forum as the majority commenting in the thread, who arent awaiting payment apparently have nothing to say as far as helping them get payment, but instead just basically tell them it is their own fault and they shouldn't have played there.

A complete bluff then. It still amounts to a "threat to chargeback", even though it would have been impossible to follow through with it.

How can you be certain that they would not have paid you as soon as the new processor was up and running in any case? Had they been lying, they would have paid up right away, not carry on talking about the need to get a new processor up and running.

They do, however, lack the abilty to hang on to whatever new processor they manage to secure, so this is NOT a reason to start depositing again. They MUST be doing something else uniquely wrong in order to burn through processors so quickly, in contrast to other groups that can get months of stabilty out of a new processor before it gets "busted".

 

[Temperance Fox]

About Rushmore

I've seen all around complains regardin' slow cash outs or delay.
My experience: I've played on Sunday at the tournament, won a little (40 usd), so I played at some slots 2 or 3 spins.Then I play at The 3Stoog.II and hit my bet. Get 609 usd.I cashed out and today I had the amount (minus fee) into my ewallet account.Excellent!!!

Just my 2 cents

 

[footdr]

A complete bluff then. It still amounts to a "threat to chargeback", even though it would have been impossible to follow through with it.

How can you be certain that they would not have paid you as soon as the new processor was up and running in any case? Had they been lying, they would have paid up right away, not carry on talking about the need to get a new processor up and running.

They do, however, lack the abilty to hang on to whatever new processor they manage to secure, so this is NOT a reason to start depositing again. They MUST be doing something else uniquely wrong in order to burn through processors so quickly, in contrast to other groups that can get months of stabilty out of a new processor before it gets "busted".

Sorry if you see threatening legal action by disputing transactions with your bank as a threat to chargeback. The only terms I have read regard charging back transactions; not diputing. You can stop the dispute process at any time. If it takes responding to the lack of payment after 3+ months with a statement that it has been long enough, too many excuses regarding lack of payment and if payment is not received within X amount of time, you will be forced to take further action; then so be it.

Why do members continue to side with a Casino Group they say is "rougued" and don't even deposit at, and that they know has had past issues in the last 6 months paying winners? You claim people who have played and have won and are now posting their experience are doing a disservice to all other players because the casino group is rouged. I say they are doing everyone a service by commenting on their experiences. So why are you attacking those that make comments on their experience, instead of attacking the casino or attempting to offer members assistance like other player forums I belong to instead of bad mouthing your fellow members?

this is a reason I am very close to leaving this forum for good. Many members have no intention of helping other members. they call them liars, accuse them unfairly of being deceptive and trying to only help themselves; while all the time responding to threads when the thread has nothing to do with them and then instead of offering advise from their experiences, decide to badmouth the poster and others that truly are making comments that are answering the poster questions.

I am not at wrong and the fact that other member continually assualt my comments, twist my comments and make untruthful comments about what I say; leads me to believe that nobody is actually arbitrating members comments on this website. Period. I will continue to help other member that P.M. me regarding their need for assistance and information regarding their non-payment be the Rushmore Group. As far as those that continually attack me; go right ahead because I could careless about your lies and am happy when I can help those that send me pm's for assistance. It is obvious why they won't post their request for help on the thread. The don't what to be attacked and belittled.

 

[Gret]

Words of wisdom..."when you are in a hole...stop digging"

 

[anniemac]

Just a little something else. Years ago when Rushmore came online I played there. I started a thread about them and took a pretty good smashing from Lotso over them. Guess he was correct. They've turned out to be a dodgy as Virtual. LOL!

This is a derail but need to fix my mistake.

When I said it was Lotso, I was having a senior moment. Not Lotso, Lojo. For you oldies here that remember Lojo, you can imagine what kind of thread that turned into. LOL! However, seems he was correct.

 

[chuchu59]

This is a derail but need to fix my mistake.

When I said it was Lotso, I was having a senior moment. Not Lotso, Lojo. For you oldies here that remember Lojo, you can imagine what kind of thread that turned into. LOL! However, seems he was correct.

It doesnt really matter whether it was Lojo or Lotso or whether the hunch was correct for that matter. Unless Lojo had access to the accounts of Rushmore its not possible to foresee they were underfunded. However, they were very active with promos and freerolls, eg $10k freerolls and that 's not really a good sign. I was once told that banks who offer high interest rates are usually in deep shit and this might also apply to casinos who offer too much to be true.