RTG's new Green Light game...

[SlotsWizard]

...sucks!

I played a few spins in free mode when the game was first released, and I was under the impression that all of the lights turned the same color (50/50). It turns out (as I'm sure many of you know by now) that each light turns red or green individually.

To get paid for 2 or more scatters you need to get 2 or more green lights. To get the feature you need 3 or more green lights.

The help screen doesn't clarify whether or not the number of scatters you are paid for is the number of green lights you have - for example, if you get 5 scatters but only 2 have green lights, are you paid for 2 or 5 scatters? I assume you are paid for the total number of scatters as long as you have 2 or more green lights, and that is what my analysis below represents.

I gave RTG the benefit of the doubt that each light has a 50% chance of being either Red or Green (although based on my small sample I would say that each light has a greater-than-50% chance of being Red). But let's assume it's 50/50. The following table represents the chances of winning/losing the scatter payouts (2+ green lights) and getting/not getting the feature (3+ green lights) for each number of scatters:

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So the best you can hope for is a 50% chance of getting the feature... when you get all 5 scatters! Anything less than 5 scatters and your odds decrease, of both getting a scatter payout and getting the feature.

Combine these odds with the odds of getting 3 or more scatters in the first place and it's truly horrific. And if my hunch that each light has a greater chance of being Red than Green is correct, then it's even worse.

Imagine getting 5 scatters and 4 of them are Red: you win absolutely nothing and you get no feature.

What a fantastic game for the casinos!

 

[jenn1381]

Agreed, I absolutely hate this game and I cannot believe someone came up with the concept! If I get 3 scatters I want a feature, damnit! The other day I got FOUR scatters, and nadda! 2 turned red and 2 turned green. Nothing like a game that does nothing but piss you off, huh? Yeah, that's something *I* wanna play again.. like life doesn't piss me off enough! lol

 

[cynthial]

It sounds as bad as that last crappy new one where there are question marks that you have to wait forever for to find out you won nothing. Good then I am not really missing anything.

 

[mikepipe]

i agree 100%. Maybe i am the only one, who had a feature once..
(winners screenshots) with 5 scatters.
Wont touch it again.

 

[babs7262]

I knew.....

you would feel the same way as I did after trying those stupid games. I actuallly lasted a good bit of time playing the penquin at Las Vegas USA, I was surprised at all the bonus spins I got

 

[lovetogamble]

Green Light

Combine these odds with the odds of getting 3 or more scatters in the first place and it's truly horrific. And if my hunch that each light has a greater chance of being Red than Green is correct, then it's even worse.

Imagine getting 5 scatters and 4 of them are Red: you win absolutely nothing and you get no feature.

What a fantastic game for the casinos!

AGREE!!! Must be one of the worst game they have! I'm not fond of "Tally Ho" either. It has very boring graphics and I haven't hit a feature on it or "Green Light." However I do like the "Incan Goddess". The only one of the three I like and will play. I don't know who comes up with some of these grahic designs but some games are just plain boring to start with due to the graphics.

 

[kwblue]

It seemed to me that you get the bonus a little less often than the rest of the slots there... The problem is this: The game makes you THINK you might get the bonus a lot more often........ which really just pisses you off and makes you FEEL like you will never get it.

I have gotten the bonus round several times and got NOTHING for it.

I don't like Tally Ho either and the only of the 3 I like is Incan Goddess now

 

[Simmo!]

I agree that it is frustrating. However it is a similar concept to Aladdin's Wishes to a degree in that the bonus doesn't guarantee free spins, and I like the latter.

Also two other things to bear in mind: firstly I would imagine that the % payout is the same as the other Real Series slots, even if the variance differs, and secondly when you get the bonus, if your car finishes first or second (for 20 or 25 spins) which has happened a few times while I have been testing it, you get a second race where you can get a decent kicker of up to 100x - again I have had 100x and 50x from this.

I think it's just a slightly higher variance than other slots personally. But all that said, the frustration factor of not getting 3 green lights is offputting.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I agree that it is frustrating. However it is a similar concept to Aladdin's Wishes to a degree in that the bonus doesn't guarantee free spins, and I like the latter.

Also two other things to bear in mind: firstly I would imagine that the % payout is the same as the other Real Series slots, even if the variance differs, and secondly when you get the bonus, if your car finishes first or second (for 20 or 25 spins) which has happened a few times while I have been testing it, you get a second race where you can get a decent kicker of up to 100x - again I have had 100x and 50x from this.

I think it's just a slightly higher variance than other slots personally. But all that said, the frustration factor of not getting 3 green lights is offputting.

Maybe, but hitting the 25 free spins on Ronin often gives F*** all, and it looks like it is VERY hard to get this in Green Light, as you can get a mere 5 free games and no "kicker" race despite struggling for ages for three green lights.
I played this at Club World, and although I hit three lights more often than on other games (3 scatters), I never once managed more than 2 Green lights, and never ONCE managed 4 lights, let alone all 5 (which can still pay nothing).

Of course, this might be an indication of lowered payouts, and perhaps if set higher, the lights come in far more often. The bonus rounds may also be weighted to offer better bonuses than would be obtained by chance once you manage to get the 3 green lights.

 

[Zoozie]

"Incan Goddess" was also my favorite. "Tally Ho" just sucked my money, 500 spins with no feature.

I did manage to hit the feature on "Green lights" twice in 300 spins and a good thing about the feature is combining the freespin + pick a *bet-size win.
Actually this was also implemented in the MG release last month "Lucky Stars".
So I like the feature, but agree it is frustating to get 3-4 scatters several times and no freespins.

Zoozie

 

[Slotster!]

Three green lights on my 17th spin for 20 free games and awarded 25x bet in the second race.

I agree though, it was annoying when I hit three lights in the free spins and two turned red.

Overall return was a smidgen over 40x.

Like all free spin/feature slots... Forget what prettiness happens in the middle - as far as the slot is concerned, you just received 40x back - which aint that bad...

 

[Slotster!]

As if to prove my point.

Five spins later and three green lights for 52.5x my bet.

I've only had three green up to now by hitting three lights in open play... Mind you, I've only hit it twice.

EDIT: Meant to say, only 15 free spins and no second race.

 

[Slotster!]

Ok, now I've hit three lights three times and - hold on - FOUR times, and not managed the feature, so yes - DOUBLE annoying.

I'll give this one a miss.

 

[Slotster!]

Six times.

I'm going Wagerworks before I go MENTAL!!!

 

[Slotster!]

Heh hee... After my initial flourish - I've managed a staggering TWELVE times without a feature... Hmmm... Enough to make even the most staunch believer in random number generators believe that something isn't quite right

P.S - Three reds again whilst I'm typing this

The most annoying image in online gaming:

 

[spearmaster]

I've only played in free play mode, so your mileage may vary.

I like this game. Yes, the red light can be a bit annoying, and yes, sometimes a period goes where you can't seem to hit a thing - but frankly all of the other slots have long periods of nothingness, even derby. With this game getting three lights isn't as difficult, so at least you feel like you have a chance.

It's especially good when you manage to finish first or second in the first race, and you get the bonus race which gives you up to 100x your bet back before starting the free spins.

Tally Ho put me to sleep - literally. Although I did manage to line up 5 of the girls for a 125x payout, which I thought was pretty cool.

Incan is okay but feels pretty much like some of the older games, I'd almost swear it was a skin.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

RTG slots that dont pay anything? SAY IT AINT SO

 

[chayton]

I played the green light one and never got the feature at all. Only a couple times got 3 lights but never enough green. Although when I was playing this, it was paying out without the feature - I got 5 of the girl with wilds twice and 5 of the car/trophy things once. It would have been nice to be able to get the feature and THEN get the winning combos, but alas, it wasn't meant to be.

 

[Mike031]

RTG slots that dont pay anything? SAY IT AINT SO

Now i think, that all people here know, that you don't like RTG, but you must not mention it on every thread, because i don't like MG Casinos and have i posted this on any MG Thread?
No! Because why should i waste my time with this, when i'll never play with it?
So it's a little bit boring, when you do this on every thread, because when i don't like anything, then i didn't write anything on this thread, while this is not really very productive
Think about it man

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Actually Mike it was a joke and your the only one who seems to get annoyed by it lol I post in most of the threads and this one is no exception.

 

[Mike031]

Actually Mike it was a joke

No, this was not a joke, because you hate RTG, so they must beware of you *lol*

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Aha but thats where your wrong my friend I dont Hate RTG, i still play on them although never again on Inetbet and no where near as much as on MG but I do like the games and slots. When they play well their fun and enjoyable. My complaint is that lately this rarely seems to happen. And then they cease to be fun and enjoyable.

 

[Mike031]

I dont Hate RTG, i still play on them although never again on Inetbet

why this?

okay i have also the feeling, that they've dropped down their payout% because the money goes faster away, as always before and that's why i play now on bodog, although some months ago, it was exactly the opposite, because i tried bodog with $300 and over one night the money was away and on iNetBet i could play with only $150 about 2 full days!

but we didn't know, how their payouts work and how much really their % are, because they can change it at any time

 

[AudiManinBoro]

All i know is ive made several 50 $ deposits at Inetbet and managed to get above my deposit amount ONCE by 4 $ ! Then it was all downhill. King solomons i do a LOT better on, Inetbet can go jump for all i care
this was based on 20 and 40 cent spins.

 

[SlotsWizard]

It's even worse than I thought!

The scatter payouts only pay you for the number of green lights you have, and NOT the number of scatters you have, even if you have 2 or more green lights!

This drastically reduces your chances of getting scatter payouts as per the following table. The column on the left corresponds to how many lights appear on a spin. Then look to the right to see your chances of losing, getting the payout for 2, 3, 4 or 5 green lights.

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So when you get 5 scatters, you only have a 3.125% chance of getting paid for 5 scatters, not 81.25% like I had previously reported. Instead, you have an 81.25% chance of getting some sort of payout but not for the full 5 scatters.

And again, this is assuming that each light has a 50% chance of being green and 50% chance of being red. I'm still not sure that it's truly 50/50.

 

[Chipeez]

I had realm of riches as my most difficult game to get a feature, but now with Green Light... omg..

I had 5 scatters and got 4 reds.. grr.. but I would think that if you finally hit the free games this would be a potential big win.. but even when you hit this, the payouts don't seem that great to me.. I did hit the free games once, got 15 (3rd finish) but got nothing great from it.

I almost start to wonder how this game could have a decent (around 92-95%) payout..

 

[SlotsWizard]

I almost start to wonder how this game could have a decent (around 92-95%) payout..

I really don't think RTG games pay out as much as 95%. No RTG casino (that I'm aware of - I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) lists their slots payout percentages though, so I can't verify that.

Their Video Poker games have 2 (sometimes 3) different paytables that the casino can select to alter the payout percentage, ranging from 94.9961% to a little over 100%. The slots more than likely have selectable payout percentages as well - and they probably look something like 85%, 90%, and 92%.

As a player it's always possible to get 1000% or 5000% payout in the short term, especially if you hit a random jackpot, but I would guess that the long-term payout is around 90%, as opposed to the 95% you'll get at MG casinos.

 

[Nifty29]

Good points - I also happen to think the game sucks.

I was always under the impression that the RTG payout % included random jackpots. Now, given that the vast majority will never hit one, doesnt that significantly reduce the actual return to the player on the game itself. It has been stated that an amount is taken from each bet toward the jackpot so that portion will all be awarded to one player when they hit.

Im probably not making sense, but what Im trying to say that if you never hit a random jackpot at RTG, then surely you are getting a much lower return on a reels-only basis?

Geez Im confusing myself here....

 

[kwblue]

That actually made perfect sense to me Nifty, but then again... I'm drunk. ok - just kidding, thought that might be funny

Yeah, made sense to me. I wonder what the payout percentage would be, then, if the random jackpot weren't taken into effect at all???? Ouch!

Although, I am one of the few that DO like the Green Light slot now (didn't so much at first)

 

[SlotsWizard]

Good points - I also happen to think the game sucks.

I was always under the impression that the RTG payout % included random jackpots. Now, given that the vast majority will never hit one, doesnt that significantly reduce the actual return to the player on the game itself. It has been stated that an amount is taken from each bet toward the jackpot so that portion will all be awarded to one player when they hit.

Im probably not making sense, but what Im trying to say that if you never hit a random jackpot at RTG, then surely you are getting a much lower return on a reels-only basis?

Geez Im confusing myself here....

No, you are making perfect sense. I have never hit a random jackpot, and it certainly stands to reason that if you don't hit one then you are getting cheated on the payout %.

Just think of Aladdin's Wishes ... a $20,000 jackpot ... how much payout % did that take away from those of us who didn't hit it? That game has always been tight in my opinion anyway, you can get 25 free spins with a retriggered 25 extra spins and still only get 20x or 25x bet size.

 

[LaurieJim]

i was real excited about the new games on rtg until i played them and lost my @ss i thought green light sucked big time

 

[steinhaug]

I was always under the impression that the RTG payout % included random jackpots.

In the practiacl sence it has to, unless the casino throws money at their players... I don't even think the casino pays out 95%, or even 90% when you take the jackpots into account. Just look at all the free money they throw at you (bonus money) and we still cant win?

If it smells like a duck and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck!

 

[SlotsWizard]

In the practiacl sence it has to, unless the casino throws money at their players... I don't even think the casino pays out 95%, or even 90% when you take the jackpots into account. Just look at all the free money they throw at you (bonus money) and we still cant win?

If it smells like a duck and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck!

Don't take this the wrong way, but, have you found any casino software which you don't think is rigged? Being in the US, I can't play at many places anymore but you're in Norway and have access to all brands of software - why keep playing at places you think are rigged when you have so many options to choose from?

 

[happygobrokey]

"green light" is dealer slang for when floorpeople aren't around and dealers are free to hustle for tips.

 

[reda]

yes slotswizzard i was thinking the same thing in reference to the 20,000 dollar jp on alladins wishes. i am one of those that lost over a 1,000 dollars. i played for over a week but im not the only one. our friend mike spoke in a thread that he has lost about 6,000 on it. (mike hope you dont mind me telling this but you had mentioned it already ) anyway i lost the whole 1000 dollars betting at 20 cents per spend 90 percent of the time. the game was very tight. when you stop and think about how may people such as myself and others that played and lost , surely the casino came out way ahead and dont have to tighten up the slots just because they to make a big payout.

 

[Rusty]

It is shit. The end
oops1
and a retrigger
oops2
And it only cost me $50 to get the feature up!
LMFAO retrigger 12*bet pure BS

Screenshots didnt work but i hit the feature and a retrigger and got $6 return on a 45c bet lol

 

[winbig]

It is shit. The end
oops1
and a retrigger
oops2
And it only cost me $50 to get the feature up!
LMFAO retrigger 12*bet pure BS

Screenshots didnt work but i hit the feature and a retrigger and got $6 return on a 45c bet lol

wtf are those attachments?

 

[gerilege]

red or green

I'm quite sure that these kind of RTG pickings are not random.

Take Aladdin for instance, let's assume that there's only one "25 free spins" pick, other picks are multipliers, and you get 3 scatters. In a random picking your chance of getting the "25 spins" would be 60% (=1-(4/5*3/4*2/3)). My experience is quite different, for instance from the last 5-6 pickings I remember, I always got the spins. Also in the long run, I can hardly remember one or two occurances when I didn't get the free spins.

Although my sample is limited (I got 3 scatters at least 30-40 times), I would say that the chance of not getting the spins is definitely less than 40%, probably rather somewhere around 10-15% or even less.

So my opinion is that those are weighted picks, or I made my picks with circa 1:1000 probability.

Another example would be the game where you pick flowers, sorry, but I don't remember the name and the game exactly. There are 10-12 flowers, and you pick 5 for instance, and you get 5 times 2x or 3x. Probability says that either most of the picks are 2x-3x or the picking is weighted.

 

[Mike031]

Take Aladdin for instance, let's assume that there's only one "25 free spins" pick, other picks are multipliers

There are always only 1 lamp with 25 free spins, that's 100% for sure, because i've hit so often 4 lamps and got NO free spins on it

Another example would be the game where you pick flowers, sorry, but I don't remember the name and the game exactly. There are 10-12 flowers, and you pick 5 for instance, and you get 5 times 2x or 3x.

You mean "Paraidse Dreams"
Sometimes you get a flower with 5 extra picks, so you have very often even 10 free picks, so you have always a good win chance on this feature
That's why i like this slot

 

[gerilege]

There are always only 1 lamp with 25 free spins, that's 100% for sure, because i've hit so often 4 lamps and got NO free spins on it

Than maybe it's just my good luck. Could you please roughly estimate:
-The total number of occasions when you got exactly 3 lamps.
-The total number of occasions when you got 3 lamps and didn't get the free spins.

 

[Mike031]

Than maybe it's just my good luck. Could you please roughly estimate:
-The total number of occasions when you got exactly 3 lamps.
-The total number of occasions when you got 3 lamps and didn't get the free spins.

It's always very different, but as i started with my first RTG Casino (49ers, rest in peace!) i got nearly on every bonus feature the 25 free spins and i really thought, that i couldn't get it not, but although i played there with only 20 cents, i could cashout 3-400.- dollars and i started with only $70!
They had a very giood payout% but after the US players was excluded from this casino, it all changes and i always lost my money very fast and get the free spins also very rarly and the same happens now even on iNetBet, because i get sometimes 3-4 times 3-4 lamps, but got also no free spins and this really sucks

 

[KasinoKing]

After hearing all the bad things about it, I just had to give Green Light a try!

I must have had beginners luck, because the first time I got 3 scatters (on only my 15th spin) they all turned green!
33 spins later it hit again, this time with 4 greens (see below)
It then went 230 spins without hitting, before giving it to me twice in 3 spins!

I was pretty pissed-off with the bonus rounds because I never finished first or second (to get the chance of a mega-win); my cars were 3rd twice & 4th twice.

By far the most irritating thing with this slot is getting 2 scatters on reels 1-3 & then having to endure the 'extra long spins' on the other reels - maybe even hitting the scatters, only to not get 3 greens at the end...

Overall it was not too bad;
Did 296 spins in total & got 4 feature rounds.
Wagered $187 & lost $16
Conclusion (good/bad)... The jury's still out...
.

 

[kwblue]

It's a fun game.... You just have to understand that even with 4 lights, you may not get the bonus round.

However - It hasn't (at least for me) hit any less bonus rounds than Achillies, Ronin, or any of the others.... It just makes you THINK that you are getting a bonus round more often

 

[happygobrokey]

very first spin ever on this game, and only my second time ever playing rtg slots. three green lights, picked japan car, came in second, bonus race came in third. after the free spins will never play this game again

update: wagered $0.20, paid $12.70 = winningest player ever on this game. that's almost a winner screenie, should i post it there even though it's only 63.5x?

 

[thetic]

update: wagered $0.20, paid $12.70 = winningest player ever on this game. that's almost a winner screenie, should i post it there even though it's only 63.5x?

You can but expect a reprimand from Mike for not following the 100 x rule.

Sorry Mike, below the belt couldn't resist it after the recent hammering you've taken

 

[Mike031]

You can but expect a reprimand from Mike for not following the 100 x rule.

Sorry Mike, below the belt couldn't resist it after the recent hammering you've taken

*lol* you clown *attention* *sarcasmus*

I've read this 100x rule a long time ago in the winnerscreenshotsthread from "KasinoKing", so i thought, this should be okay, because he is a very value member

But when I mention it, it's certainly not okay, because i'm only a 5 month member here *lol*

 

[happygobrokey]

right on. i may as well post it, just so i can floss my 6350% payout for all eternity. i did that conversion right, right?

 

[KasinoKing]

I've read this 100x rule a long time ago in the winnerscreenshotsthread from "KasinoKing", so i thought, this should be okay, because he is a very value member

Hey - don't blame it all on me!

I was not the first or only one to suggest the x100 as a guide only, but it does seem a good idea to have a 'rule of thumb' to stop the thread getting too flooded.
Of course it's fine to post anything lower if it's unusual, very pretty or of particular interest for some other reason.
Likewise you also don't have to post EVERY win over x100...

Anyway, I don't make the rules here - the above is just my personal opinion - you post whatever you want!

 

[Mike031]

Hey - don't blame it all on me!

Sorry, but this was really not my intention

But we can certainly also post 0,01 cent winnerscreenshots, because this is also a win, although not really a great one

 

[Kaynos72]

Well i think i'll pass on this slot. I have a hard time enough on most slot to get 3 scatter to trigger the bonus, now even with that, on that slot, once you get 3 you need to get lucky again and get 3 greens.