RTG's Caribbean 21 lie

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Casinomeister

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Yes I have pitched a bitch. Bryan hasn't answered me. He isn't interested in the truth. He met with them and he is taking their side. I don't klnow what to say I thought Bryan would be helpful but he doesn't even return my e-mails. Also RTG has locked several of my accounts that have balances. To me this is outright stealing. I will send another bitch but it looks like Bryan is in it with them as he won't even answer me now.
He has it listed that he is a player advocate but he won't help. Like I said he just believes them. I am shocked that he would simply accept this but it looks like they are all the same.

Bryan why won't you answer me now? Did they pay you? They are getting away with outright stealing. How can you stand by and let this happen.
What about my balance at Delano's . Do they get to steal that to!!

Talk to me Bryan.

To Pirateofc21,

#1 - This is my job, not some hobby, so I normally don't work weekends. As you were well aware, I was in London meeting with RTG on numerous occassions. And I was answering your emails, but not all of them since it wasn't necessary to reply to each one.

#2 - I do not negotiate with fraudsters.

#3 - If I do not receive a public apology within the next 6 hours, consider yourself banned for life from this forum.

To everyone else:

Pirateofc21 has spoken with the casino operator and admitted to the casino that he used robot software. I have no idea why he is stating publicly that this is a lie when he has stated otherwise in private. Using robot software breaches the terms and conditions of the casino. Lest we forget, this player has made A LOT of money from other casinos which either didn't detect his robot, or allow robot play.

The bottom line is the casino forbids robot play, and this is made perfectly clear in the terms and conditions. If you're stupid enough to break the terms and conditions and get caught, that's your problem. Not mine.

And I will be god-damned if players lie to me, and then attempt to damage my reputation in my forum.

The clock is ticking Pirateofc21, fess up here or forever hold your peace.
 

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Thats about 3 hours I think.

Pirate - my thoughts on the ridiculousness of barring robots on games with a negative expectation to the player do not circumvent the rules of each and every casino.

Now from what i can tell it is the casino managers word against the players - is that right Bryan?

Have they a recording of the call?
 

caruso

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OK, I've clearly misunderstood the definition of "robot": I understood it to mean an auto-click device, whereby a machine / computer plays in place of an actual clicking finger. Presumably it's progammable to play any strategy, ie. if I like splitting 5s and doubling on 4s, I can have it do that. It's function is to relieve the player of physically playing the game.

What device does the casino claim the player admitted to using in his attempt to defraud them? What evidence is there to suggest this is the case? What is the function of the device? How does it affect the outcome of the game and turn a 99.82% return into 100%+ return?
 

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I'm not sure the suggestion here is fraud (though it might be), so much as it is that this guy has apparently admitted to having engaged in conduct that is in direct violation of the casino's clearly-expressed rules. If that's so, then the extent to which the robot reduced the house advantage isn't the key -- it's the fact that he did a thing prohibited by the rules. If the guy really did use the robot, then the "fraud" here wasn't directed so much at the casino as it was to this forum.
 

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I initially took that this was some kind of gigantic early April Fool joke. Winning 1.4 mill at a shady RTG is bizarre and nuts beyond belief. Heck, you bust a gut to collect 5K; 1.4 MILLION??? Get real.

A lot now persuades me that he's legit, mainly the bet size he ended up employing. 1.4 mill is tough flat betting $100; betting $10,000 and it becomes a relatively easy task. 140 winning bets - Carribean21 - high variance - total walk in the park.

What we have here is a total nutcase (no offence, Pirate) who pressed his luck beyond sanity at the wrong casino, got a bit lucky and is getting shafted. In other words: business as usual at RTG.

Pirate - this is Bryan's forum. Don't badmouth him. Apologize for letting your temper get the better of you, promise not to do it again and you might even find an ally.

If possible those game logs need to be got hold of. I really don't think for one second that the casino will willingly release them because they will most likely exonerate the player of any wrong-doing. Thus, their refusal will lend a lot of weight to the player's case. If they have nothing to hide, release them and let a recognized authority examine them.

I would say that's the first step.
 

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Public apology to Bryan

caruso said:
I initially took that this was some kind of gigantic early April Fool joke. Winning 1.4 mill at a shady RTG is bizarre and nuts beyond belief. Heck, you bust a gut to collect 5K; 1.4 MILLION??? Get real.

A lot now persuades me that he's legit, mainly the bet size he ended up employing. 1.4 mill is tough flat betting $100; betting $10,000 and it becomes a relatively easy task. 140 winning bets - Carribean21 - high variance - total walk in the park.

What we have here is a total nutcase (no offence, Pirate) who pressed his luck beyond sanity at the wrong casino, got a bit lucky and is getting shafted. In other words: business as usual at RTG.

Pirate - this is Bryan's forum. Don't badmouth him. Apologize for letting your temper get the better of you, promise not to do it again and you might even find an ally.

If possible those game logs need to be got hold of. I really don't think for one second that the casino will willingly release them because they will most likely exonerate the player of any wrong-doing. Thus, their refusal will lend a lot of weight to the player's case. If they have nothing to hide, release them and let a recognized authority examine them.

I would say that's the first step.
I am writing now to give a formal apublic apology to Bryan Bailey
 

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To Bryan Bailey

Pirateofc21 said:
I am writing now to give a formal apublic apology to Bryan Bailey
I Piratec21 do hereby apologize for my undeserved comments. Bryan you were my only hope. My remarks were that of an angry frustrated individual. My comments were out of line and I request permission to remain a part of this forum.
 

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Pirateofc21 said:
I Piratec21 do hereby apologize for my undeserved comments. Bryan you were my only hope. My remarks were that of an angry frustrated individual. My comments were out of line and I request permission to remain a part of this forum.




I honestly did not admit to anything. Bryan I am not a liar. Whatever you heard was taken out of context. I think I deserve a little more consideration than that. That money was won without robot play of any kind. I wasn't present to defend or explain my self. How is that right. I have phone calls recorded which I can play at any time. Unlike RTG I would allow a rep to be present to protect their interest.
 

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I think pirate did the right thing with his apology.

Now, I dont know who is the liar here if RTG or Pirate. But if RTG can prove that Pirate was using a robot player, it will be a great way to show their honesty, otherwise they should pay pirates winnings.
 

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let me be clear

Pirateofc21 said:
I honestly did not admit to anything. Bryan I am not a liar. Whatever you heard was taken out of context. I think I deserve a little more consideration than that. That money was won without robot play of any kind. I wasn't present to defend or explain my self. How is that right. I have phone calls recorded which I can play at any time. Unlike RTG I would allow a rep to be present to protect their interest.


I was baiting this man into giving me information. Why is it right for him but not for me. I wasn't there Bryan. How was my interest protected. How do I know what they played for you is genuine.

I CATEGORICALLY DENY ANY USE OF A ROBOT PLAYER. wHAT YOU HEARD WAS MY PLAYING ALONG TO GET INFO OUT OF HIM. wHY CAN HE TALK OF SCAMMING CASINOS TOGHETHER, AND OTHER ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES AND NOT BE ACCOUNTABLE.

Bryan with God as my witness I didn't use a robot of any kind. I am ready to release the recordings I have. Consider the impact of your words. I have kept my mouth shut and this is what I get for it. SCREWED. Help me Bryan Listen to my recordings where it is clear that I am being baited and set up. Why wasn't I allowed to be present. Bryan how do you know the information is genuine. I haven't heard what they played for you.
Why are you so willing to accept their information withouut so much as even talking to me first before passing judgement. Your words have impact and I did not admit to anything at any time. You know RTG is still holding balances of mine in other casinos. HOW IS THAT LEGAL. C'mon Bryan that's stealing. The money in those accounts is mine. Why can they steal that too?
 

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Pirateofc21 said:
I was baiting this man into giving me information. Why is it right for him but not for me. I wasn't there Bryan. How was my interest protected. How do I know what they played for you is genuine.

I CATEGORICALLY DENY ANY USE OF A ROBOT PLAYER. wHAT YOU HEARD WAS MY PLAYING ALONG TO GET INFO OUT OF HIM. wHY CAN HE TALK OF SCAMMING CASINOS TOGHETHER, AND OTHER ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES AND NOT BE ACCOUNTABLE.

Bryan with God as my witness I didn't use a robot of any kind. I am ready to release the recordings I have. Consider the impact of your words. I have kept my mouth shut and this is what I get for it. SCREWED. Help me Bryan Listen to my recordings where it is clear that I am being baited and set up. Why wasn't I allowed to be present. Bryan how do you know the information is genuine. I haven't heard what they played for you.
Why are you so willing to accept their information withouut so much as even talking to me first before passing judgement. Your words have impact and I did not admit to anything at any time. You know RTG is still holding balances of mine in other casinos. HOW IS THAT LEGAL. C'mon Bryan that's stealing. The money in those accounts is mine. Why can they steal that too?



Just for the sake of arguement Bryan why can you publically call me a fraudster. I am sick of being quiet and lied about and ripped off. Talk about apologies what about your impact on reputation? I told you from the get go they would try to get out of paying me. This is what I get for doing the right thing.
I am not a liar Bryan and don't appreciate your implying oteherwise.
I have a reputation too and I have had nothing but lies spread about me and large amounts of money stolen from me . I want to takew a polygraph test and would expect the same with Hampton mgmt.


I AM NOT A FRAUDSTER BRYAN AND IT IS RTG WHO IS WASTING YOUR TIME. WHY ARE YOU SO WILLING TO BELEIVE THEM. wHAT YOU HEARD WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT OR OUTRIGHT FABRICATION.
 

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caruso said:
I initially took that this was some kind of gigantic early April Fool joke. Winning 1.4 mill at a shady RTG is bizarre and nuts beyond belief. Heck, you bust a gut to collect 5K; 1.4 MILLION??? Get real.

A lot now persuades me that he's legit, mainly the bet size he ended up employing. 1.4 mill is tough flat betting $100; betting $10,000 and it becomes a relatively easy task. 140 winning bets - Carribean21 - high variance - total walk in the park.

What we have here is a total nutcase (no offence, Pirate) who pressed his luck beyond sanity at the wrong casino, got a bit lucky and is getting shafted. In other words: business as usual at RTG.

Pirate - this is Bryan's forum. Don't badmouth him. Apologize for letting your temper get the better of you, promise not to do it again and you might even find an ally.

If possible those game logs need to be got hold of. I really don't think for one second that the casino will willingly release them because they will most likely exonerate the player of any wrong-doing. Thus, their refusal will lend a lot of weight to the player's case. If they have nothing to hide, release them and let a recognized authority examine them.

I would say that's the first step.



Caruso: Now your talking. Why can't I have my logs. I asked and was told no. The game is still not back. I had to wait, accept being labeled a fraud, had balances seized that they are not entitled to. THIS IS OUTRIGHT STEALING NO?
I Welcome inspection of any kind. I have nothing to hide.
 

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Did you forget

Flavio4321 said:
I think pirate did the right thing with his apology.

Now, I dont know who is the liar here if RTG or Pirate. But if RTG can prove that Pirate was using a robot player, it will be a great way to show their honesty, otherwise they should pay pirates winnings.

RTG originally told Bryan "the game is fine and the player got lucky"
this is public knowledge in the Forum. So what happened to change their mind. They didn't like the introduction of the character Pirateofc21 and that is when trouble started. Correct me if I'm wrong Bryan but they did tell you this
Didn't they?
 

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Play the call

Pirateofc21 said:
RTG originally told Bryan "the game is fine and the player got lucky"
this is public knowledge in the Forum. So what happened to change their mind. They didn't like the introduction of the character Pirateofc21 and that is when trouble started. Correct me if I'm wrong Bryan but they did tell you this
Didn't they?

I would like permission to post the recorded conversation I had with casino mgmt. I have already sent copies to Eric Morris at Gambling Online magazine.
One last time I HAVE NEVER USED A ROBOT PLAYER OR SOFTWARE OF ANY KIND. JUST ME AND THE GAME. I BEAT THE GAME FAIR AND SQUARE AND NOW THEY WILL GO TO ANY LENGTH TO NOT PAY.

Bryan, don't give up on me I am not a fraud. There is more to the conversation then the clip you heard. Just exactly what did you hear me say? Get my game logs from RTG and have them analyzed by an outside agent. There is nothing funny going on. Remember that this money was won over several sessions. They were hoping I would lose. I didn't.
 

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Stealing more

Pirateofc21 said:
I would like permission to post the recorded conversation I had with casino mgmt. I have already sent copies to Eric Morris at Gambling Online magazine.
One last time I HAVE NEVER USED A ROBOT PLAYER OR SOFTWARE OF ANY KIND. JUST ME AND THE GAME. I BEAT THE GAME FAIR AND SQUARE AND NOW THEY WILL GO TO ANY LENGTH TO NOT PAY.

Bryan, don't give up on me I am not a fraud. There is more to the conversation then the clip you heard. Just exactly what did you hear me say? Get my game logs from RTG and have them analyzed by an outside agent. There is nothing funny going on. Remember that this money was won over several sessions. They were hoping I would lose. I didn't.



To all I have just tried to log into my account at Delano's. I have a balance over 70,000 there and I am locked out. THIS HAS TO BE ILLEGAL. BRYAN HELP, THEY CAN'T KEEP TAKING MONEY FROM ME SOMEBODY HELP. tHEY ARE STEALING EVERYTHING I HAVE. PLEASE SOMEBODY HELP ME.
 

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Pirateofc21 said:
To all I have just tried to log into my account at Delano's. I have a balance over 70,000 there and I am locked out. THIS HAS TO BE ILLEGAL. BRYAN HELP, THEY CAN'T KEEP TAKING MONEY FROM ME SOMEBODY HELP. tHEY ARE STEALING EVERYTHING I HAVE. PLEASE SOMEBODY HELP ME.



This is nuts. As I write they are closing more of my accounts. I just lost over 70,000 dollars. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON? Bryan you've got to stop this. This is outright stealing. God damn it man this has got to stop. People they are locking me out of whatever RTG casinos I have an account at. I just lost over 70,000 at Delanos. I am locked out. THIS AIN'T RIGHT.

Bryan you are wrong about me I am not a fraud and they can't keep closing new accounts. They are stepping all over me taking every cent I have in their casinos. This can't be right.
 

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Pirateofc21 said:
This is nuts. As I write they are closing more of my accounts. I just lost over 70,000 dollars. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON? Bryan you've got to stop this. This is outright stealing. God damn it man this has got to stop. People they are locking me out of whatever RTG casinos I have an account at. I just lost over 70,000 at Delanos. I am locked out. THIS AIN'T RIGHT.

Bryan you are wrong about me I am not a fraud and they can't keep closing new accounts. They are stepping all over me taking every cent I have in their casinos. This can't be right.


THAT's the last straw RTG. I am seek legal counsel and I will take every action necessary to stop this stealing of funds. Delano's has nothing to do with the original issue. People that's 70,000 they just stole from me.
I am locked out where I wasn't.
 

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Wow. Why in the world would you have said, to anyone, for any purpose whatsoever, that you WERE using a robot? Have they given you any explanation (other than your own unfortunate remarks) for their conclusion that you were using a robot? Is there a technical basis for their position?

This is wild. Somebody's lying HUGE here, and there is enough money involved to make it mighty interesting (maybe to the authorities -- where are you located). If it's Hampton/Delano doing the lying, and they're caught, one hopes that this would be enough to dump them into the trashbin of online casino history.

(On the other hand, you might simply have made a horribly ill-advised statement to them in your conversation (that is, that you were using the robot), and they're now on that like white on rice -- right or wrong, you said it, and without any particular prevarication on their part, they are using it as their ticket out from under $1.2M.)
 

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This "robot" stuff is a nonsense. As Bryan himself stated previously, RTG pulled the game, concluded it was OK and acknowledged that this fellow is one lucky sonofabitch. There was no evidence that the game was performing off-kilter. And how WOULD it? How do you affect the outcome of a game dealt off a remote server? The implication that the player somehow cheated the software with this device is entirely unsubstantiatable.

Yes, he did "cheat"; he "cheated" the laws of probability, LOL. That's what the casino is in a panic about.

Sh*t happens and players actually win on occasions. Casinos hate winners. Casinos loathe, abhor and detest from the bottom of their guts winners who win so much it actually hurts them. Didn't Kerry Packer put a dent in Mirage's quarterly results one time he won twenty consecutive 100K bacc bets?

But they paid him his legit win - and RTG should damn well pay this man his.
 

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What if he was actually using a robot, though, and the rules explicitly bar this? Whether the rule itself makes any particular sense, what if he broke it?
 
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