Robbed by robbers with a licens

[slotter999]

...and every right to be pissed off.

The industry has got greedy and we, the players have to suffer.

Things, sadly will only get worse.

I have never seen so many of these type of threads in such a short space of time since I joined CM over 3 years ago.

At one time I awaited the "Jon can you not miss just ONE of these threads" and the foil hats been thrown my way.

Now less and less are saying this and more and more are in agreement, somethings not right as LOTS have noticed/posted/said.

The only way things would improve is for the Worlds Gamblers to unite, stay strong and rebel, so basically we're stuck with this shite

An opposing view could just be that the quality of posts on this forum has taken a nose dive and every 2nd post is just a rehash of the same "it's rigged" sentiment.

This then becomes a form of echo chamber where the same people chime in on the same threads with the same views and continue to hear only the opinions which align with theirs because the rest of the more informed posters are too tired to bother contributing against what is clearly an entrenched view / opinion.

 

[aceking123]

An opposing view could just be that the quality of posts on this forum has taken a nose dive and every 2nd post is just a rehash of the same "it's rigged" sentiment.

This then becomes a form of echo chamber where the same people chime in on the same threads with the same views and continue to hear only the opinions which align with theirs because the rest of the more informed posters are too tired to bother contributing against what is clearly an entrenched view / opinion.

Either way you look at it slotter is something has changed .if you have some veteran players in here saying something is a miss , then you really should listen & you say about informed posters i've been here a very long time & played more than a fair share & i still conclude that 100% the slots have been changed.

Im now under the conclusion that it is server bound & hence to why the results are wifffyyyyy , i'm not pointing out a casino but i'm pointing directly to the servers & providers who make the games & i believe that your play & stats are tracked , via a few methods this would make perfect sense to me , although trance monkey said they dont do this . if it's programmed to a percentage then i cannot be random.

 

[interlog]

Perhaps the developer of the slot tracker app can assist? They are able to extract data from the casino to the game server so they may also be able to tell us what exactly is being passed from casino to games server

 

[aceking123]

Perhaps the developer of the slot tracker app can assist? They are able to extract data from the casino to the game server so they may also be able to tell us what exactly is being passed from casino to games server

Been using it for testing & the results are what i had already thought , a marked decrease in RTP% a awful lot well below average features & marked lows in base game, pretty much sums online clearly there are too many casinos & this could well be part of the problem.

 

[Deeplay]

Either way you look at it slotter is something has changed .if you have some veteran players in here saying something is a miss , then you really should listen & you say about informed posters i've been here a very long time & played more than a fair share & i still conclude that 100% the slots have been changed.

Im now under the conclusion that it is server bound & hence to why the results are wifffyyyyy , i'm not pointing out a casino but i'm pointing directly to the servers & providers who make the games & i believe that your play & stats are tracked , via a few methods this would make perfect sense to me , although trance monkey said they dont do this . if it's programmed to a percentage then i cannot be random.

Any script / coding changes dont rely on server environments ... the servers are just the homes of bunches of code. People are the impression (or some) that casinos / game devs somehow track ips and assign wins and losses. Why would they need to ? but been here 1001 times before.

I dont post as much right now here as there is nothing decent to post about. Every other thread is either a tin foil moment, its a rigged moment or an out right moan of how bad the games play and something "must" have changed. God if I felt that way why gamble at all ? just quit ...

CM was a fun and interesting forum but at the moment its quite a depressing place to hang out. My 10 cents only

 

[Jono777]

An opposing view could just be that the quality of posts on this forum has taken a nose dive and every 2nd post is just a rehash of the same "it's rigged" sentiment.

This then becomes a form of echo chamber where the same people chime in on the same threads with the same views and continue to hear only the opinions which align with theirs because the rest of the more informed posters are too tired to bother contributing against what is clearly an entrenched view / opinion.

That being said, experienced, time served players know what they are witnessing with their own eyes too

 

[Gonzo]

Any script / coding changes dont rely on server environments ... the servers are just the homes of bunches of code. People are the impression (or some) that casinos / game devs somehow track ips and assign wins and losses. Why would they need to ? but been here 1001 times before.

I dont post as much right now here as there is nothing decent to post about. Every other thread is either a tin foil moment, its a rigged moment or an out right moan of how bad the games play and something "must" have changed. God if I felt that way why gamble at all ? just quit ...

CM was a fun and interesting forum but at the moment its quite a depressing place to hang out. My 10 cents only

I've been playing Gonzo's quests since 2010 and think I'm quite familiar with the game. I see and feel that it really is not the same game anymore. It's my opinion and no one needs to share it or believe it. And Cm still is fun

 

[Tropicana50]

Perhaps the developer of the slot tracker app can assist? They are able to extract data from the casino to the game server so they may also be able to tell us what exactly is being passed from casino to games server

As far as the data goes there can be hundreds of variables sent back and fourth depending on how complex a game is. None of this data includes any personal information other than a player session ID which changes frequently. This can be said for all providers we have analysed.

The game that you see is just a display unit. When you press spin a set of data is sent to the server that includes your wager, your lines, your bet level (on some games), your round ID (a secure ID given to you when you authenticate / load the game) and some information about which game you are playing, country you reside in and the currency you are using. Some Casinos use a proxy in between this connection so your IP address would essentially be masked from the receiving server. The server receives this information and generates a set of random numbers for each element of the game.

These are then passed back to the game (display unit) and it does as instructed by the server.

If a provider or casino used outside variables such as IP addresses, account age or any other type of player controlled variable then they would open themselves up to huge manipulation. It wouldn't take long for someone to work out how to coin the system and rinse any casino. This would be extremely risky and in the long term no business with legs would use player information to manipulate future results when there is no need to whatsoever.

Each provider has to submit an audit of game play each quarter that includes a detailed analysis of play to the UKGC. These numbers are verified with casinos, payment processors and other related companies to guarantee a fair game.

The market has been changing in the past year. Flame Busters, Book of Dead, High Voltage, Bonanza, Jungle Spirit and a bunch of other popular new releases. Games are becoming increasingly more volatile which means a huge majority of the RTP usually ends up going to a handful of players. These are the games that people end up seeing videos of on YouTube and then chase themselves. The market is adjusting to what is getting more play time and that is very infrequent monster hits rather than a varied session.

Another big issue that we are currently working on within Slot Tracker is in defining what RTP actually is. Many players believe RTP is (MONEY_OUT / MONEY_IN) x 100. Whilst for your personal interest this is correct, this is not entirely true when it comes to displaying an accurate RTP figure for a game based on an aggregate of spins using different bet levels. Take this as an example:

Player A does 10,000 spins on Game X at $1 and gets back $9,500. (95% RTP)
Player B does 1,000 spins on Game X at $5 and gets back $4,000. (80% RTP)

Most people would say the RTP of Game X was ((9,500 + 4,000) / 15,000) * 100 = 90%, however this is not the case. The actual RTP of Game X is (95 + 80) / 2 = 87.5%.

Each spin is independent with a fixed probability. Therefore the correct way to work out RTP in the long term for a specific game is to do the (MONEY_OUT / MONEY_IN) x 100 math on every individual spin and then accumulate this figure and divide by the total number of spins. We call this figure SRP (Statistical Return to Player) and have been analysing it heavily.

In theory over enough time, with enough spins and all different bet levels the RTP and SRP figures SHOULD converge, but in the short term these figures can vary drastically and can very much impact your thoughts on a particular game, provider or casino.

We have now tracked over 3 million real money spins with Slot Tracker. I personally have over 110,000 spins tracked with an RTP of 91.35%. Nearly all of my play has been on games that advertise a 95-96% RTP. Do I think slots are rigged / changed / manipulated? No. Most of my play has been on high volatile games and these are natural curves that these games produce.

Our system is monitoring slots, providers and casinos all of the time and anything that we find suspicious we will let the community know about. We also plan to do some posts in the near future with some game analysis. To do this we need a massive amount of spins to guarantee we can perform meaningful tests.

- T

 

[goatwack]

An opposing view could just be that the quality of posts on this forum has taken a nose dive and every 2nd post is just a rehash of the same "it's rigged" sentiment.

This then becomes a form of echo chamber where the same people chime in on the same threads with the same views and continue to hear only the opinions which align with theirs because the rest of the more informed posters are too tired to bother contributing against what is clearly an entrenched view / opinion.

I agree, and whilst I'm one of the guilty party, even I'm tiring of the rigged threads. It all comes down to individual experiences, if someone's RTP has been south of 50% for consecutive months they're going to think something is amiss.

New members may be new to these topics, so to the more experienced members it must seem like groundhog day. Basically those suspicious of foul play with slots will continue to berate them right up to when they win, it's always the way.

But please, let's slow down on the rigged threads. A lot of them could be merged, there's been at least four or five in the last month. I sick of repeating myself repeating myself

 

[paul7388]

I agree, and whilst I'm one of the guilty party, even I'm tiring of the rigged threads. It all comes down to individual experiences, if someone's RTP has been south of 50% for consecutive months they're going to think something is amiss.

New members may be new to these topics, so to the more experienced members it must seem like groundhog day. Basically those suspicious of foul play with slots will continue to berate them right up to when they win, it's always the way.

But please, let's slow down on the rigged threads. A lot of them could be merged, there's been at least four or five in the last month. I sick of repeating myself repeating myself

Exactly everyones experiences are different.

I hear people saying they've played slots online for years and they can tell the slots play differently from what they used to.

But other people like me would have a different opinion.

I have played slots online for must be about 15 years. And all i can say is over the years i get lucky streaks and losing runs that seem to last for ever lol.

But to say slots are rigged and its so hard to get a withdrawal is no different from years ago. In fact this years been one of my best for a few years withdrawal and win wise.

Take IR . Everyone says it pays less than it used to. Well i am no big player of it. One of reasons is i have never had a big win on it or a decent WD since it was released. These cold streaks people have now i have had every single time i have played it. But i know its not rigged i am just unlucky on it.

I play slots every day just about and am not a big depositer. But i know my luck is no worse than its ever been. I play CFTBL a hell of a lot. When i get free spins i expect them to pay about 2x. Thats normal for the slot but the odd round will pay several hundred plus times stake and the base game gives regular good hits.

Different casinos seem luckier than others. But it does not mean the unluckier casinos are rigged. Ive had a few good sessions at VS but most i lose. But take the bookies Ladbrokes Coral and William Hill. They get nearly all my money as i like sports betting. But my opinion is all 3 the slots are easier to win on and pay bigger wins. Yet others would say they are rigged and never pay out.

Its all different peoples opinions.

But one thing ive noticed. People will constantly go on about every slot been rigged and how they play different etc. You hear this every day. But when they have a winning streak they might mention they have won but will not keep repeating it. It goes quiet and then once they start losing again its back to everythings rigged.

Each to their own but if i bet horses and i could tell every race was rigged i would not bet on them again. If slots and casinos are all rigged why would people keep depositing at them day in day out if they think they are rigged.

 

[Jono777]

I hold my hands up to my part in the bigger picture

That being said, this sort of banter/ going on / foil hatting etc etc etc is in a gamblers nature and always will be.

Not just online either, the last couple of posts have reminded me of my "land based" days, you'd see a punter who'd done a couple of hundred ££££ a few visits on the trot moaning, totally forgot about the 2K from just £50 he walked out with a week ago!

 

[greylady]

I wouldn't go as far to say as slots are rigged and I know everyone thinks it is down to good/bad luck but I have given up depositing for now. The four slots I mainly play the rtp was 29.88 / 29.63/ 29.03 / 27.54 and this had been on-going for months - I keep checking the rtp but they were all staying consistent and that just doesn't indicate a random outcome to me

 

[dionysus]

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[Tropicana50]

I wouldn't go as far to say as slots are rigged and I know everyone thinks it is down to good/bad luck but I have given up depositing for now. The four slots I mainly play the rtp was 29.88 / 29.63/ 29.03 / 27.54 and this had been on-going for months - I keep checking the rtp but they were all staying consistent and that just doesn't indicate a random outcome to me

Hey. Sorry to jump in on your reply, But could you give us a heads up on what this machine is. We would love to play advocate and investigate it for you!

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[greylady]

Hey. Sorry to jump in on your reply, But could you give us a heads up on what this machine is. We would love to play advocate and investigate it for you!

- T

Hi Tropicana

The games were Dead or Alive/Book of Dead/ Jungle Spirit and Bonanza.

I have downloaded slot tracker and when I start playing again I am going to use it - I have played Immortal Romance too with pretty poor results. I don't think my 'luck' could get any worse so ceased playing.

 

[Tropicana50]

Hi Tropicana

The games were Dead or Alive/Book of Dead/ Jungle Spirit and Bonanza.

I have downloaded slot tracker and when I start playing again I am going to use it - I have played Immortal Romance too with pretty poor results. I don't think my 'luck' could get any worse so ceased playing.

Hey Grey!

These are all very high variance games and we would expect to see RTP results similar to what you listed when we are looking at spin counts below 10,000. I would highly advise you join the Slot Tracker community even if its as a free account to monitor your daily results. That being said, here is a quick run down for the community data we have for those games...

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[goatwack]

I need to get myself Slot Tracker - it looks awesome. Love the layout and clarity, and I'd like to see how some of my sessions go, statistically

 

[lockinlove]

Hey Grey!

These are all very high variance games and we would expect to see RTP results similar to what you listed when we are looking at spin counts below 10,000. I would highly advise you join the Slot Tracker community even if its as a free account to monitor your daily results. That being said, here is a quick run down for the community data we have for those games...


- T

Vikings go berzerk stats?

Really cool software btw. Nice job

The more you look at bonanza the more shockng the stats are. The bonus occurs 3 times less on average than any other slot. Even some of the most dreadful slots. Just goes to show how piggy that slot is

 

[Tropicana50]

Vikings go berzerk stats?

Really cool software btw. Nice job

The more you look at bonanza the more shockng the stats are. The bonus occurs 3 times less on average than any other slot. Even some of the most dreadful slots. Just goes to show how piggy that slot is

If you want to see full stats for all games come join us. You don't have to pay anything. Just download the software and track at least one spin on a particular game and you can see all of the statistics

- T

 

[lockinlove]

Any script / coding changes dont rely on server environments ... the servers are just the homes of bunches of code. People are the impression (or some) that casinos / game devs somehow track ips and assign wins and losses. Why would they need to ? but been here 1001 times before.

I dont post as much right now here as there is nothing decent to post about. Every other thread is either a tin foil moment, its a rigged moment or an out right moan of how bad the games play and something "must" have changed. God if I felt that way why gamble at all ? just quit ...

CM was a fun and interesting forum but at the moment its quite a depressing place to hang out. My 10 cents only

You told me you have tonnes of great hits on bonanza. Why not share them? Most people love to see wins and it makes the forum more pleasant. I guess what Im trying to say, why complain if you dont try and do your part to try and change the flow of things? The only time I really see you post is to call someone out on something. Why open these threads, the title is pretty clear what its about.

I think this forum is great fun btw and I absolutely love it and all the members here. Even you.

I suggest visiting the winner screenshots thread, the winning videos thread (some great wins and funny commentary) and the casino bar and grill thread. There are some really funny comments. Or you can follow goatwack around, hes usually pretty funny. Or even some of Barbara's foul mouthed rants are pretty entertaining.

I dont blame a single person who complains. The casino industry is changing right now. The slot providers are coming out with mostly high volatile games which people arent used to or expecting. Once people get used to it, things will subside a little because they will simply quit or just play older games.

Just my 11 cents.

 

[goatwack]

I agree, this is a great community, let's not forget that.

For the most part, it's a pretty positive place. Given recent worldwide events I expect gambling is secondary to that.....it was merely a week ago we had the London attacks and people are more downbeat, you can see it when out & about.

You're gonna have regular posters posting regularly. It's all very well to not ever contribute and then say negative things about the forum. There are many here that prop this place up and instill a bit of gallows humour or else we'd likely have even more repetitive threads!

I await a good thread about something other than negative slots rigging, but we can only go on what's put in the forum. Would be nice to see new members start threads without spamming the crap out of the forum too

But a slot trend has been noticed by many experienced gamblers, and if they can't share that at CM, where can they?

As for members I don't particularly like, there's only a handful. I don't wish to name & shame, but I feel I must:

*********

********

& ********

although ********** has pissed me off recently too

 

[Deeplay]

You told me you have tonnes of great hits on bonanza. Why not share them? Most people love to see wins and it makes the forum more pleasant. I guess what Im trying to say, why complain if you dont try and do your part to try and change the flow of things? The only time I really see you post is to call someone out on something. Why open these threads, the title is pretty clear what its about.

I think this forum is great fun btw and I absolutely love it and all the members here. Even you.

I suggest visiting the winner screenshots thread, the winning videos thread (some great wins and funny commentary) and the casino bar and grill thread. There are some really funny comments. Or you can follow goatwack around, hes usually pretty funny. Or even some of Barbara's foul mouthed rants are pretty entertaining.

I dont blame a single person who complains. The casino industry is changing right now. The slot providers are coming out with mostly high volatile games which people arent used to or expecting. Once people get used to it, things will subside a little because they will simply quit or just play older games.

Just my 11 cents.

Check the winner videos in 20 mins or so uploading my latest Bonanza hit from earlier today. For some reason I have got lucky on this slot at 2 or 3 casinos .. this one going up to the winners video section is from Red Queen Casino ..

 

[lockinlove]

although ********** has pissed me off recently too

This is clearly me since the amount of stars match the amount of letters I have.

Im sorry for making you mad lol :notworthy

 

[lockinlove]

Check the winner videos in 20 mins or so uploading my latest Bonanza hit from earlier today. For some reason I have got lucky on this slot at 2 or 3 casinos .. this one going up to the winners video section is from Red Queen Casino ..

sureeee just rub it in why dont ya

 

[goatwack]

This is clearly me since the amount of stars match the amount of letters I have.

Im sorry for making you mad lol :notworthy

It's not you I assure you, and yes they're real members here haha