Required Individual Obesity Ratings all Americans

[LaurieJim]

I imagine that Bryan will be issuing you a warning as well maphesto. Again, you can call yourselves whatever you choose. Are you dizzy yet from all the spin you are creating?? Talk about name calling, looks like you are the problem now. And as for anyone in sweden giving obama advice, I am not at all surprised. One commie to another I guess... Good luck with your american hating thing, but don't categorize us until you can figure out what you are!

You are so over the line here lost2much, tho we do agree on somethings, you just have crossed the line by calling people commies and such.

Are you saying every country in the world that has a King Or Queen is a Socialist state or Commie, please, Queen Elizabeth a commie lmao.

You are beginning to look and act like the "Ugly American" that the world sometimes sees in us by your rants and raves.

Thanks Nash for the link, i missed reading that one.

Here is a email i recieved, its pretty funny if your not into the PC thing.


I love this Doctor!!!!!!!!!!!!

Q: Doctor, I've heard that cardiovascular exercise can prolong life. Is this true?
A: Your heart only good for so many beats, and that it--don't waste on exercise. Everything wear out eventually. Speeding up heart not make you live longer; it like saying you extend life of car by driving faster. Want to live longer? Take nap.

Q: Should I cut down on meat and eat more fruits and vegetables?
A: You must grasp logistical efficiency. What does cow eat? Hay and corn. And what are these? Vegetables. So steak is nothing more than efficient mechanism of delivering vegetables to your system. Need grain? Eat chicken. Beef also good source of field grass (green leafy vegetable). And pork chop can give you 100% of recommended daily allowance of vegetable product.

Q: Should I reduce my alcohol intake?
A: No, not at all. Wine made from fruit. Brandy is distilled wine, that mean they take water out of fruity bit so you get even more of goodness that way. Beer also made of grain. Bottom up!

Q: How can I calculate my body/fat ratio?
A: Well, if you have body and you have fat, your ratio one to one. If you have two bodies, your ratio two to one, etc.

Q: What are some of the advantages of participating in a regular exercise program?
A: Can't think of single one, sorry. My philosophy is: No pain---.good!

Q: Aren't fried foods bad for you?
A: YOU NOT LISTENING! Food are fried these day in vegetable oil. In fact, they permeated by it. How could getting more vegetable be bad for you?!?

Q: Will sit-ups help prevent me from getting a little soft around the middle?
A: Definitely not! When you exercise muscle, it get bigger. You should only be doing sit-up if you want bigger stomach.

Q: Is chocolate bad for me?
A: Are you crazy?!? HEL-LO-O!! Cocoa bean! Another vegetable! It best feel-good food around!

Q: Is swimming good for your figure?
A: If swimming good for your figure, explain whale to me..

Q: Is getting in shape important for my lifestyle?
A: Hey! 'Round' a shape!

Well, I hope this has cleared up any misconceptions you may have had about food and diets.

And remember:
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Tequila in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO, what a ride!!"

AND--..

For those of you who watch what you eat, here's the final word on nutrition and health. It's a relief to know the truth after all those conflicting nutritional studies.

1. The Japanese eat very little fat
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans..

3. The Chinese drink very little red wine
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

4. The Italians drink a lot of red wine
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

5. The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

CONCLUSION:
Eat and drink what you like.
Speaking English is apparently what kills you.

Thanks k for sending this

Laurie

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Thanks Nash for the link, i missed reading that one.

YW!!

 

[lost2much]

not directed at you nash. Perhaps the swedes would prefer me to refer to their country as a welfare state. There, are you happy now??

Laurie, I just give what I get, you should know that by now. And yes, England does have socialist programs (healthcare being the most well known). I get the feeling that some of you feel it is ok for those from sweden to bash the US but I am out of line for fighting back??? Sorry, no apology for that!

 

[lost2much]

I read it just fine Kari. Maphesto called me ignorant white trash. I suppose you want to argue that fact as well. That was who my comment about warnings was directed at Nash as you can plainly see in the first sentence of the post.

 

[maphesto]

Maphesto called me ignorant white trash. .

I had just a pm sent to you! I didn't call you anything.

Please, lost2much, read my post again.

 

[KariRunk]

I read it just fine Kari. Maphesto called me ignorant white trash. I suppose you want to argue that fact as well. That was who my comment about warnings was directed at Nash as you can plainly see in the first sentence of the post.

And now it's confirmed. You don't understand what you read. Now all your posts makes much more sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

Because of this "speciality" of yours, it's actually impossible to communicate with you, now I'm done with you for real. Have a nice life.

 

[Mavin1]

The whole problem as has been stated here in this thread and let's get back to it is, The government controlling more and more of our personal freedoms!

If they are going to provide the majority of our consumables in the low end of the food value, crap food, then don't come back later and kick our butts for it.

Regulate as you have been paid to do by us the US citizens.

Crack down on the FDA for approving more crap consumables than good food!

Put our farmers back in business for us as they have been in the past!

Let America get back to taking care of America!!!!!

And as has been said before in another thread about the government, do your job you were hired to do and stop working for the Rothchilds and Rockerfellers and such. Many of us can obviously see that our government is bought, otherwise they would be doing our bidding and not someone elses!

Get this country back on track and do what you have been hired by the US Citizens to do!

 

[lost2much]

Thanks for the PM maphesto, hope we are clear now. Kari, do you really really promise you are done. Please use the ignore button on me if you can't handle the heat. You have proven yourself to be the name caller in this now so deal with it.

 

[maphesto]

Thanks for the PM maphesto, hope we are clear now.

 

[felicie]

Geez louise! Who cares whose fat for crissake. The really big problem here is that the American govt. has no business being in our business. We can't smoke, gamble, and now eat maybe among many other things and the only reason we can still drink is cause they're all frickin alcoholics in Washington. You know what keeps you slim? Sex lots of sex but don't tell the govt. or they'll get in the middle of that too.

 

[ksech]

Kari, if you are going to quote someone please make sure you read the correct name...
I did NOT post this!!!

Originally Posted by ksech
Kari, I did not make up the drug part, you said that one of your freedoms in Sweden was to do drugs. In what way did I make that up since it is your own words??

and you posted...

Ok, here's what I said "Ok, in your free country, is it allowed to play online casinos? Online poker? Are you allowed to do drugs? Drink and drive? and etc."

In that am I saying that you're allowed to use drugs in Sweden.

Don't bother to reply to me, I have no interests to communicate with you anymore, it makes my head hurt


1) In the big wide world, playing games of any type online is such a small factor. And obviously, from a different thread you started about banned countries from playing online, you do NOT have the freedom either!
2) Yippee, so you have a lot of druggies running around your country? Drugs of any type, INCLUDING prescription drugs are bad when abused! And no, I am not one of the individuals who takes drugs to feel good, quite the opposite. I've lost many friends to their drug addictions.
a)Your statement of " In that I am saying that you're allowed to use drugs in Sweden" is any different than lost2much's post of " Kari, I did not make up the drug part, you said that one of your freedoms in Sweden was to do drugs. In what way did I make that up since it is your own words??"
3) It makes you proud to be able to drink and drive legally in your country? Well, since I have lost TWO brothers to drunk driving accidents I don't condone, nor do I make a practice of driving drunk. In fact, I have taken keys away from patrons, called cabs, gotten motel rooms, called family members to give them escorts home. You're preaching to the wrong choir here... Until you have been on the receiving end of receiving that visit from the police or a phone call telling you a loved one has died because some jackass decided he was sober enough to drive, don't talk to me. My brothers were 25 and 37 when they died.
4) You are also making MY head hurt with your presumptions and closed-minded thinking and opinions. Please tell me there are no obese people in Sweden, Germany, France, England, Ireland, Scotland, Iran, Iraq, Africa, Asia... That Americans alone are the only obese people on the planet.
This debate is raising my BP and I'm afraid I am going to become obese now.
I'm done...

 

[Tengil]

I remember here in Finland our former prime minister called for some "fat tax" or similar. It didnt actually cause that much uproar but more questions on how you would impose such a tax or premium. Plus BMI is only directional.

I understand the concerns tough, its expected that some close to 30% of the costs in health care are directly or indirectly tied to overweight. Thats here in Finland were we have public healthcare. And BTW Europe isnt that far behind the US in terms of overweight, so its a problem for the whole industrialized world. It also causes more sickleave from work, disability pension etc.

Basically the only option is to impose pigouvian taxes on "unhealthy" food in an attempt to decrease the demand. But who decides whats unhealthy and on what grounds? Amount of sugar? Fat? How much is too much?

And we shall not forget that if you are overweight and exercise you are most likely healthier than the slim one who doesnt.

In the end you cant force one to eat healthy, exercise etc. Or at least I dont want to live in a country that would do it.

 

[RedAndi]

4) You are also making MY head hurt with your presumptions and closed-minded thinking and opinions. Please tell me there are no obese people in Sweden, Germany, France, England, Ireland, Scotland, Iran, Iraq, Africa, Asia... That Americans alone are the only obese people on the planet.
This debate is raising my BP and I'm afraid I am going to become obese now.
I'm done...

LOL Ksech don't you think your elephant av is a bit ironic considering the thread topic?
Anyway, there are obese people everywhere, just appears the US has the most....YAY WE WIN!

Check out the chart-

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But please note the definition below the chart on how data is obtained. US, UK and Australia is based on medical information, seems the rest are "self-reported". That leads me to assume there might be some bullshit in the other countries data. Who doesn't drop 10 lbs when they tell the DMV their weight? Hardly anyone!
I have to think another factor is a lot of poorer people in the US (and maybe the UK and Aust. , not sure) do not get regular medical treatment. So the numbers could be a lot higher for those 3 taking into account that lower incomes tend to eat less healthier.
No hard facts here, I am just "supposing".

 

[KariRunk]

Kari, if you are going to quote someone please make sure you read the correct name...
I did NOT post this!!!

Originally Posted by ksech
Kari, I did not make up the drug part, you said that one of your freedoms in Sweden was to do drugs. In what way did I make that up since it is your own words??

and you posted...

Ok, here's what I said "Ok, in your free country, is it allowed to play online casinos? Online poker? Are you allowed to do drugs? Drink and drive? and etc."

In that am I saying that you're allowed to use drugs in Sweden.

Don't bother to reply to me, I have no interests to communicate with you anymore, it makes my head hurt


1) In the big wide world, playing games of any type online is such a small factor. And obviously, from a different thread you started about banned countries from playing online, you do NOT have the freedom either!
2) Yippee, so you have a lot of druggies running around your country? Drugs of any type, INCLUDING prescription drugs are bad when abused! And no, I am not one of the individuals who takes drugs to feel good, quite the opposite. I've lost many friends to their drug addictions.
a)Your statement of " In that I am saying that you're allowed to use drugs in Sweden" is any different than lost2much's post of " Kari, I did not make up the drug part, you said that one of your freedoms in Sweden was to do drugs. In what way did I make that up since it is your own words??"
3) It makes you proud to be able to drink and drive legally in your country? Well, since I have lost TWO brothers to drunk driving accidents I don't condone, nor do I make a practice of driving drunk. In fact, I have taken keys away from patrons, called cabs, gotten motel rooms, called family members to give them escorts home. You're preaching to the wrong choir here... Until you have been on the receiving end of receiving that visit from the police or a phone call telling you a loved one has died because some jackass decided he was sober enough to drive, don't talk to me. My brothers were 25 and 37 when they died.
4) You are also making MY head hurt with your presumptions and closed-minded thinking and opinions. Please tell me there are no obese people in Sweden, Germany, France, England, Ireland, Scotland, Iran, Iraq, Africa, Asia... That Americans alone are the only obese people on the planet.
This debate is raising my BP and I'm afraid I am going to become obese now.
I'm done...

You're as bad as lost2much. CAN YOU SHOW ME A QUOTE WHERE I SAY THAT IT'S LEGAL TO USE DRUGS AND DRINK AND DRIVE IN SWEDEN.

 

[lost2much]

I thought you were done Kari??????? Guess you're as bad as me!!!

 

[ksech]

Ok, here's what I said "Ok, in your free country, is it allowed to play online casinos? Online poker? Are you allowed to do drugs? Drink and drive? and etc."

In that am I saying that you're allowed to use drugs in Sweden.

Don't bother to reply to me, I have no interests to communicate with you anymore, it makes my head hurt

quote taken from page 9, post number 8 on that page. And why are you yelling at me? Geesh...

@RedAndi, errr thank you for the compliment on my av??? (Horton from Horton Hears a Who)

@lost2much... did you get the links I sent you PM? If you want I will dig out the rest if I can find them

 

[KariRunk]

quote taken from page 9, post number 8 on that page. And why are you yelling at me? Geesh...

Still can't find where I'm saying that you're allowed to use drugs in Sweden. Sorry can't help you anymore.

 

[Mavin1]

One site with some very interesting reading. One subject deals directly with attitudes such as Karirunk has demonstrated and no I am not attacking you, just pointing out that there are those that are swayed so easily as to be used for the agenda of separation in peoples, again, through prejudice, threats and intimidation. Such a subtle yet veracious way of tearing down the unity of people, keeping us fighting and arguing, so as to never look at who the hell threw the rock in the first place.

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Almost every destructive agenda being promoted in America today is being advanced, not through logical argument, but intimidation....The president, a disciple of Saul Alinsky, and his administration rely heavily on ridicule, which is very intimidating. (Remember rule No. 5 from Alinsky's... Rules for Radicals: 'Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.')
"When normal citizens opposed Obama's unprecedented power grab right after inauguration, his Department of Homeland Security labeled them 'right-wing extremists' and terror threats.... Oppose the gay activist agenda... and you're branded a 'hater' and morally equivalent to a racist....

Creating fataphobics that just spew out their prejudice towards people who are not an ideal weight is just playing right into the hands of those that would have us going at each other.

While this attitude is being cultivated, more laws, regulations and restrictions are being slipped in under the radar.
So the whole point is the government has stepped beyond what is allowable and acceptable.

Their attitude towards the US citizens is very well demonstrated on a google video where Bush jr stated on camera, "Don't throw the Constitution in my face, it's just a gd piece of paper". I would have to find the video but it truly reflects that by this statement, our wants, needs and rights are in dire straits and with each passing law, we are being imprisoned in our own homes and lives.


When Adolf Hitler was building up the Nazi movement in the 1920s... he deliberately sought to activate people who did not normally pay much attention to politics. ...they were particularly susceptible to Hitler's rhetoric and had far less basis for questioning his assumptions or his conclusions. 'Useful idiots' was the term supposedly coined by V.I. Lenin to describe similarly unthinking supporters....

"The president's poll numbers are going down because increasing numbers of people disagree with particular policies of his, but the damage being done to the fundamental structure of this nation goes far beyond particular counterproductive policies.

God Bless America! For no one else will............

 

[LaurieJim]

One site with some very interesting reading. One subject deals directly with attitudes such as Karirunk has demonstrated and no I am not attacking you, just pointing out that there are those that are swayed so easily as to be used for the agenda of separation in peoples, again, through prejudice, threats and intimidation. Such a subtle yet veracious way of tearing down the unity of people, keeping us fighting and arguing, so as to never look at who the hell threw the rock in the first place.

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Almost every destructive agenda being promoted in America today is being advanced, not through logical argument, but intimidation....The president, a disciple of Saul Alinsky, and his administration rely heavily on ridicule, which is very intimidating. (Remember rule No. 5 from Alinsky's... Rules for Radicals: 'Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.')
"When normal citizens opposed Obama's unprecedented power grab right after inauguration, his Department of Homeland Security labeled them 'right-wing extremists' and terror threats.... Oppose the gay activist agenda... and you're branded a 'hater' and morally equivalent to a racist....

Creating fataphobics that just spew out their prejudice towards people who are not an ideal weight is just playing right into the hands of those that would have us going at each other.

While this attitude is being cultivated, more laws, regulations and restrictions are being slipped in under the radar.
So the whole point is the government has stepped beyond what is allowable and acceptable.

Their attitude towards the US citizens is very well demonstrated on a google video where Bush jr stated on camera, "Don't throw the Constitution in my face, it's just a gd piece of paper". I would have to find the video but it truly reflects that by this statement, our wants, needs and rights are in dire straits and with each passing law, we are being imprisoned in our own homes and lives.


When Adolf Hitler was building up the Nazi movement in the 1920s... he deliberately sought to activate people who did not normally pay much attention to politics. ...they were particularly susceptible to Hitler's rhetoric and had far less basis for questioning his assumptions or his conclusions. 'Useful idiots' was the term supposedly coined by V.I. Lenin to describe similarly unthinking supporters....

"The president's poll numbers are going down because increasing numbers of people disagree with particular policies of his, but the damage being done to the fundamental structure of this nation goes far beyond particular counterproductive policies.

God Bless America! For no one else will............

Great post Mavin:notworthy

I would love to see that video as i honestly believe that the Constitution is the moral fiber behind us existing as a nation of free people, to bad its being torn and twisted for others personal agendas imo.

Laurie

 

[KariRunk]

One site with some very interesting reading. One subject deals directly with attitudes such as Karirunk has demonstrated and no I am not attacking you, just pointing out that there are those that are swayed so easily as to be used for the agenda of separation in peoples, again, through prejudice, threats and intimidation. Such a subtle yet veracious way of tearing down the unity of people, keeping us fighting and arguing, so as to never look at who the hell threw the rock in the first place.

No, doctor, I know I have this huge lump in my right testicle, but I don't want to get tested for cancer. I'm afraid that if I have one I may be categorized as people who has cancer.

 

[ksech]

Ok, here's what I said "Ok, in your free country, is it allowed to play online casinos? Online poker? Are you allowed to do drugs? Drink and drive? and etc."

In that am I saying that you're allowed to use drugs in Sweden.

Don't bother to reply to me, I have no interests to communicate with you anymore, it makes my head hurt

page 9 of this thread, post number 8.

 

[The Dude]

I think I found it:

...Ok, in your free country, is it allowed to play online casinos? Online poker? Are you allowed to do drugs? Drink and drive? and etc... I think not. You're saying that you don't like government to tell you what to do but still it already tells you whole lot what you can do and what not. So why when they try to do something about your overweight problem, you're so pissed. Just can't understand that.

As for socialism, please don't confuse the political system "socialism" with social programs or services that contribute to a safe, secure, or healthy way of life. The Postal Service, the Fire Department, Public Safety, Social Security, and Public Schools etc. - all fall into this category.

And as for eating healthy - personally, I am an advocate of this. I find it crucial to instill good eating habits with kids - and the best way to do this is to lead by example. I'm not perfect, but I do my best to stay physically active and eat local farmed foods - organic when possible, and keep the junk to a minimum. And honestly, it's taken much more seriously in Europe than in the States. We were in Florida recently and my kids were shocked at the number of obese people that were mulling about. Just an observance.

In my kids' school, my boy is in the fourth grade - class of about 28 kids, maybe one kid is overweight. My daughter is in the sixth grade with around thirty kids - two girls in that class could be considered overweight. Not obese mind you, but just a little heavier than average.

The point that I'm making is that the European lifestyle is much different than in the States, and I don't think people can understand this unless you walk the walk. Now please don't beat me up

 

[lost2much]

God damn it Bryan!! WTF are you talking about?!?! JUST KIDDING!! I see your point.

 

[KariRunk]

page 9 of this thread, post number 8.

Ok, I can't believe how patient I am, but one more time. Do you see any difference:

Example 1, In that am I saying that you're allowed to use drugs in Sweden.

and

Example 2, In that I am saying that you're allowed to use drugs in Sweden.

If this doesn't go through, then I must admit that you're helpless!

Why would I even say something like that when any one who in his right mind would know that isn't true.

 

[Mavin1]

No, doctor, I know I have this huge lump in my right testicle, but I don't want to get tested for cancer. I'm afraid that if I have one I may be categorized as people who has cancer.

I am sorry to here that, but also want to express you can treat this condition yourself even if it is cancer.

My husband had been diagnosed with prostate cancer 6 years ago, the agressive kind that had his days numbered. He never once had any other "conventional medical treatments" done, only the biospy which proved it was cancer and the agressive degree of it.

From that time on, we have been on a crusade so to speak on the causes and natural treatments for this and many other diseases we are all subject to. The only thing he has done conventionally is have his PSA tested periodically to see how the natural treatments are keeping it at bay, or have cured him completely.

A couple years ago, he had a colonoscopy done and the doctor informed him he had a large tumor in his colon that needed to be removed. The doctor whom we have great respect for, assured my husband he had never seen one that large that wasn't cancer, ever and he is strictly a cancer doctor. Well to the doctors surprise and bewilderment, it was just a tumor, cancer free. His comment to my husband, after the proceedure and all was done was, "As far as I'm concerned you no longer have cancer".

Two days later the same doctor preformed the same operation on a woman and she too was cancer free in her tumor, she has been doing things naturally for her body as well.

The internet is a powerful tool for finding many good and natural alternatives to conventional medicine. Not to say conventional medicine doesn't have it's place, it certainly does, but it is not the end all of medicine and treatments.


Here's another very informative link on the thread subject;

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exerpt: There is a worldwide conspiracy being orchestrated by an extremely powerful and influential group of genetically-related individuals (at least at the highest echelons) which include many of the world's wealthiest people, top political leaders, and corporate elite, as well as members of the so-called Black Nobility of Europe (dominated by the British Crown) whose goal is to create a One World (fascist) Government, stripped of nationalistic and regional boundaries, that is obedient to their agenda. Their intention is to effect complete and total control over every human being on the planet and to dramatically reduce the world's population by 5.5 Billion people. While the name New World Order is a term frequently used today when referring to this group, it's more useful to identify the principal organizations, institutions, and individuals who make up this vast interlocking spiderweb of elite conspirators.


For Laurie, I will look for the google video, it is listed in the NWO videos and post a link when I find it.

Also let me add, being fat is not the problem, the additives and garbage being added to the food supply that effects the entire bodies function is the problem.

 

[lost2much]

Hey ksech, yes, I got your pm, but haven't had a chance to look at it yet. I sure hope that the tax on benefits doesn't happen or I'm afraid I will have to drop my employer paid med. care in favor of the old emergency room routine!!

Also, I guess we are suppose to read karis little mind as to what he/she meant to say. Just read the last post and tell me WTF he/she is talking about?? I tried to write it off awhile back as language barrier, but kari seems to have very poor communication skills at the very least!! Does sweden provide state sponsored mental health care kari?? If so, do yourself (and the rest of us) a favor and seek it immediately!

 

[lost2much]

Oops, I forgot, you said you were done with this thread? So why are you still here??

 

[jelsmith]

I dont know....but im in the minority here. I think the new healthcare system will be great.....provided its run as the Canadians and British do it. Sorry to say but I have insurance and I hate paying out the ass for it...Im a healthy person....why are premiums so high? I can recommend SICKO a Michael Moore film to anyone who really wants to see what goes on with privatized healthcare.

 

[jelsmith]

I think I found it:



As for socialism, please don't confuse the political system "socialism" with social programs or services that contribute to a safe, secure, or healthy way of life. The Postal Service, the Fire Department, Public Safety, Social Security, and Public Schools etc. - all fall into this category.

And as for eating healthy - personally, I am an advocate of this. I find it crucial to instill good eating habits with kids - and the best way to do this is to lead by example. I'm not perfect, but I do my best to stay physically active and eat local farmed foods - organic when possible, and keep the junk to a minimum. And honestly, it's taken much more seriously in Europe than in the States. We were in Florida recently and my kids were shocked at the number of obese people that were mulling about. Just an observance.

In my kids' school, my boy is in the fourth grade - class of about 28 kids, maybe one kid is overweight. My daughter is in the sixth grade with around thirty kids - two girls in that class could be considered overweight. Not obese mind you, but just a little heavier than average.

The point that I'm making is that the European lifestyle is much different than in the States, and I don't think people can understand this unless you walk the walk. Now please don't beat me up

I grew up in WV never take your kids there.....they would faint. I can count on 1 hand how many thin people I know there....its sad.

 

[The Dude]

Admin Warning: flaming

...Also, I guess we are suppose to read karis little mind as to what he/she meant to say. Just read the last post and tell me WTF he/she is talking about?? I tried to write it off awhile back as language barrier, but kari seems to have very poor communication skills at the very least!! Does sweden provide state sponsored mental health care kari?? If so, do yourself (and the rest of us) a favor and seek it immediately!

Last warning - next time - anywhere in this forum, its a holiday for you.

 

[KariRunk]

Hey ksech, yes, I got your pm, but haven't had a chance to look at it yet. I sure hope that the tax on benefits doesn't happen or I'm afraid I will have to drop my employer paid med. care in favor of the old emergency room routine!!

Also, I guess we are suppose to read karis little mind as to what he/she meant to say. Just read the last post and tell me WTF he/she is talking about?? I tried to write it off awhile back as language barrier, but kari seems to have very poor communication skills at the very least!! Does sweden provide state sponsored mental health care kari?? If so, do yourself (and the rest of us) a favor and seek it immediately!

Sorry if I bothered you with my poor communication skills. But your comments about my mental issues were too much for me. You're not going to see me in this forum anymore. It was fun. Good bye.

 

[Stovetopp]

riginally Posted by lost2much View Post
Hey ksech, yes, I got your pm, but haven't had a chance to look at it yet. I sure hope that the tax on benefits doesn't happen or I'm afraid I will have to drop my employer paid med. care in favor of the old emergency room routine!!

Also, I guess we are suppose to read karis little mind as to what he/she meant to say. Just read the last post and tell me WTF he/she is talking about?? I tried to write it off awhile back as language barrier, but kari seems to have very poor communication skills at the very least!! Does sweden provide state sponsored mental health care kari?? If so, do yourself (and the rest of us) a favor and seek it immediate

lost2much if Kari said he had testicular cancer how canyou use the he/sshe above You just wanjt to flame cause tyou7 are not reading the posts

 

[lost2much]

Yeah stovetopp, thats right. Please.

 

[lost2much]

I think Kari was using that as an example, not indicating that HE had testicular cancer. Maybe you should also read a little closer before jumping on me.

 

[Westland Bowl]

Forum fights notwithstanding, whether or not the gummit is going to require BMI info on everyone's electronic medical records, it's apparent that one way or another there is going to be a declared "war" on fat and obesity in the future.

Currently I'm on a diet called the "1st Personal Diet" and I've lost about 45 pounds in the six weeks I've been on it. The diet is based on your blood test results and personalized for you. If you want to head off any future gummit targeting your obesity, you can try it out at

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[just play]

We were in Florida recently and my kids were shocked at the number of obese people that were mulling about. Just an observance.

In my kids' school, my boy is in the fourth grade - class of about 28 kids, maybe one kid is overweight. My daughter is in the sixth grade with around thirty kids - two girls in that class could be considered overweight. Not obese mind you, but just a little heavier than average.

This is an observance on your part though. My husbands daughter moved to Floriday from Massachusetts. She was about 10lbs overweight, no biggie. After being in Florida for 1 year she was practically anorexic. She said she was just trying to keep up with all the other women. She said she still thought she was fat (even tho she was practically anorexic) just because of how thin the women and men were.

In my daughters class, second grade (30 kids) there is one girl who is a bit above "normal size" and 1 boy who is more than "normal size". Most of the children are average, and there are a few who are so skinny it scares me. I am looking at her class picture right now, if I knew how to put it here I would. No camera.

I did read an article and believe I posted it here months maybe a year ago about how people from France or Italy (I think) are thinner from the way they eat. They take hours to eat, and sip wine during their lunch and dinner. When we have lunch we get 1/2 an hour for lunch (working people of course) so there is no way we could do that. My friend went to Italy or France years ago and she said it took a while to get used to taking that long to eat lunch.

 

[The Dude]

Just to add - lost2much was our lovely troll from yore - pacers31. After coming to realize he's been an unusally active participant of most of the closed threads lately (the ones that spiral into flame-wars), I did some checking and found he had used the same email address for a FUCK OFF email from November 2008 after he was banned for being a troll. What a nitwit (oops, I flamed him ).

Bye lost2much. If you weren't such a troll, you wouldn't have caught my attention.

 

[felicie]

I am so sorry for starting this horrible thread. For all the intelligent discussion here was greatly undone by the disgraceful and insane attack on Sweden which by the way was my father's native country and to think I had anything to do with any of this makes me a little ill. I apologize to all of you and mostly to the swedes we have here that contribute frequently with good, informative and friendly posts. As for you Kari, before this thread even started, you tried to start something with me over calling 'football' football in another thread so it appears to me that what you want is to instigate and start havoc. Well good for you. job well done.

 

[dominique]

I think what is most fundamentally wrong with this government interference in people's weight is the availability of a list to the public.

That means employers may check you there and if in the past you were overweight, they could opt not to hire you because no one wants employees with health issues.

In that scenario it also doesn't matter whether you are fat because of an underlying disease, or whether you are sick because you are fat, or whether you are healthy as a horse.

If you are on the list, you are a risk.

 

[maphesto]

I am so sorry for starting this horrible thread.

It's not horrible. A previously banned member was caught.

I thought at some time that lost2much was same guy as cant_get_right who numerous times tried to bait people.
But then he answered two PM:s of mine politely and I thought he wasn't a troll after that.

For all the intelligent discussion here was greatly undone by the disgraceful and insane attack on Sweden which by the way was my father's native country

You really are half a swedish meatball then..

 

[gloria460]

I think what is most fundamentally wrong with this government interference in people's weight is the availability of a list to the public.

Not true...they are not going to be public. They are only available to licensed physicians for medical treatment. They will be part of your electronic record so that information can be obtained about you immediately from wherever you live or plan to live.

The obesity-rating regulation states that every American's electronic health record must: “Calculate body mass index. Automatically calculate and display body mass index (BMI) based on a patient’s height and weight.”

The law also requires that these electronic health records be available--with appropriate security measures--on a national exchange.

 

[winbig]

Not true...they are not going to be public. They are only available to licensed physicians for medical treatment. They will be part of your electronic record so that information can be obtained about you immediately from wherever you live or plan to live.

The obesity-rating regulation states that every American's electronic health record must: “Calculate body mass index. Automatically calculate and display body mass index (BMI) based on a patient’s height and weight.”

The law also requires that these electronic health records be available--with appropriate security measures--on a national exchange.

Haven't they been talking about having a national database of every American's health records for years now? This has been going on way before this bill was even introduced.

 

[gloria460]

Haven't they been talking about having a national database of every American's health records for years now? This has been going on way before this bill was even introduced.

Exactly...my sister is also an RN who works in IHS and they are redesigning the program to be compliant with the law by 2014 but this integration started back years ago. It's very complex but will be well worth it as any physician can get your records with the click of a mouse. Your information is already shared with local physicians who are in the system.

Orlando Regional is leaps and bounds ahead bc they started EHR years ago but they are not available nationally.

 

[jod5413]

My very favorite post from this entire thread.......

Anyway, there are obese people everywhere, just appears the US has the most....YAY WE WIN!

 

[Mavin1]

I am so sorry for starting this horrible thread. For all the intelligent discussion here was greatly undone by the disgraceful and insane attack on Sweden which by the way was my father's native country and to think I had anything to do with any of this makes me a little ill. I apologize to all of you and mostly to the swedes we have here that contribute frequently with good, informative and friendly posts. As for you Kari, before this thread even started, you tried to start something with me over calling 'football' football in another thread so it appears to me that what you want is to instigate and start havoc. Well good for you. job well done.

Don't be sorry for starting this thread, it has been a darned good one, the fact there was a few bumps in the road made no significant difference in the real meat of the discussion. I know I have very much enjoyed being able to participate, especially since I don't talk casino anymore, the off topics, gives the members like myself something to participate in.

So thank you!

As for people of other countries and races, they are all people just like you and me and the majority of people here do not share the same prejudice as some. Every individual, no matter where they are from or the color of their skin has input that is welcome as far as I and I'm sure many others are concerned.

 

[jelsmith]

My very favorite post from this entire thread.......

Thanks I missed that one....LOL

 

[RedAndi]

Kind of thought lost just enjoyed being antogonistic, not familiar with the Pacers s/n thought, guess I missed the fun that time.
Everytime I read some of his/her posts (mostly as the threads went on) I thought about this sketch....



link-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvSjiq1pLVY (not allowed to embed, sorry).


Kisch, yes knew it was Horton, cute, who doesn't love Suess
Just the idea of an elephant in a thread about fat made me chuckle.

 

[ksech]

I think a program which shares medical information amongst the medical profession could possibly save lives. Especially where prescriptions are concerned. A centralized database would make it almost impossible for overmedication of some patients.

Ex: I knew this woman who would go from doctor to doctor until she found one who would give her a prescription for what she thought was her latest malady (thanks to one of the self diagnosis medical books). She would go to different pharmacies to have the prescriptions filled. She ended up in the ER with prescription overdose. She was taking 47 different prescriptions when all was said and done.

I truly believe, if there had been a centralized prescription database on hand, this wouldn't have happened. And the doctors may have been able to follow a pattern. And the woman may (or may not) still be alive today.

I do NOT believe that, according to the BMI, that it will equally provide help for those with serious weight issues. I am, by my doctors opinion, 15 lbs overweight. I was put on a steriod to remove fluid from around my heart, which put on 25 lbs. I've shed 10 lbs in the last 6 months ( he also told me age is a factor for losing weight also). At age 50 I'm weighing in at 140 lbs, he is going by medical records from since I was 18, where I was a pathetic 89 lbs. My BP is higher now, but finally in normal range 115/70 was my last reading, whereas 5 years ago it was terribly low (average 86/50). My cholesterol is high, but is contributed to the fact of the weigh increase and very high levels of stress (also genetic makeup).

I am not going to starve myself to try to lose the weight, but I think as jelsmith pointed out, better education on nutrition would help. I eat relatively healthy (who doesn't like "junk" food once in a while?), I can live without desserts, chips, candy, etc. My main diet consists of fruits, vegetables, fish and poultry. So, as far as I am concerned, imo, I am doing everything right and am afraid this index will "label" me as unhealthy.

I work with the public so I'm more prone to be in contact with illness than someone who works in an office. (Please, the next time you go out to eat and aren't feeling well and have the need to blow your nose, please take home/ put in the bathroom garbage, your used tissues. This is one of my main peeves. People laugh at me because I will slip on a pair of disposable gloves to remove the offending garbage from the table where people are eating. You wouldn't believe how many people do this.)

Anyways, back on track...As with everything this bill has its pro and cons. I seriously hope they fine tune the bugs as some may be unfairly labelled obese.

 

[ksech]

@felicie, the original concept of this thread was to make people aware. Do NOT feel badly about starting it. It has been informative (with a few detours along the way. And I am sorry for my part of the derail). Thank you for bringing this to light.

@RedAndi, I am with jod5413 and several others with your "YAY we win!" comment. Gave me a good chuckle.

I didn't give my av any thought when starting to post in this thread, but dang....He's soooo cute!

@ everyone else. I apologize for my part of the derail. I am not usually a biased person and the "baiting" and antagonastic attitude/s hit me at the wrong place/wrong time.

 

[dominique]

Not true...they are not going to be public. They are only available to licensed physicians for medical treatment. They will be part of your electronic record so that information can be obtained about you immediately from wherever you live or plan to live.

The obesity-rating regulation states that every American's electronic health record must: “Calculate body mass index. Automatically calculate and display body mass index (BMI) based on a patient’s height and weight.”

The law also requires that these electronic health records be available--with appropriate security measures--on a national exchange.

Well, what is the point of that? If you are fat enough to be an increased health risk, any doctor should be able to see that when you walk in the door and shouldn't need an electronic record to tell him/her that.

Every doctor's office weighs you every time you come in anyways.

The national exchange - why? What for? It is not a good thing, appropriate security measures - geez, like records with "appropriate security measures" don't get hacked every day of the week.