QuickTender and Belle Rock Entertainment

[SeanMan]

Hi

Belle Rock Entertainment always sends me emails telling me to sign up for a QuickTender account.

Has anyone used a QuickTender account? Any experiences, etc?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Zodiac]

I got the same from QuickTender, because i have an account at Club World but i need also more informations.

QuickTender is one of the safest ways to pay and play and will facilitate all your purchases and withdrawals quickly, securely and privately.

As an additional privacy protection measure you will not see QuickTender openly advertised at the merchant site. Instead wherever you see the UseMyWallet logo below you will be able to deposit with your QuickTender account.

If you go to quicktender.com you can read more about this Payment System, but the preferred language is only in English and Espanol available and i need time to translate it, whether i need that generally, so at this moment i can't say more.

 

[dirtydealin]

Quicktender works for me

No problems on my end, I've used it at least 2 dozen times. The withdrawls show up instantly, unlike Ecocard, which usually took an extra 24 hours or so.

DD

 

[dcimp3]

I contacted ClubWorld and asked them to flush my withdraw to Quicktender. Within minutes I had the money in Quicktender. Within another couple minutes I deposited part of that same money into another casino.. and the other part back to Clubworld because I had a 50% coupon for that day. So all is good there. I have not tried to withdraw to my bank yet. Anyone withdraw from QT? How was the transaction?

Cheers

Joe

 

[recruit]

Quick Tender withdrawals to bank account...

I had an EcoCard account and had no problems....fairly quick withdrawals into my bank account (about a week, give or take a day or two) and it seemed pretty efficient. They had all my ID docs on file. However, when Eco shut down, I signed up for QuickTender, which appears to be from the same folks as EcoCard...the website is almost identical, as is the deposit/withdrawal process.

I have made two QT withdrawals to my bank account...the first one was for $7406.00 on the 9th of Sept. The 2nd was made yesterday. After almost two weeks, I still was seeing nothing in my bank account, and had to email SEVERAL times for a status report....finally, just yesterday I get an email saying they need all my ID docs all over again, i.e., bank statement, drivers lic, etc....

I sent them immediately and now am being told it will take up to another 7-10 days to hit my bank account. The 2nd withdrawal is still pending as well, but newer. Not overly impressed yet.

My biggest complaint from when it was EcoCard and now with QT is that it's almost impossible to communicate with them. For U.S. players at least, there is no phone number for CS, only a fax, and they are REALLY slow to respond to emails. I'm hopeful that now that they have all my docs again, things will speed up...but the jury is still out.

 

[jinnia]

It's really best not to be mentioning any e-pay services out in the open. Make DoJ work for their information...

 

[tennis_balls]

It's really best not to be mentioning any e-pay services out in the open. Make DoJ work for their information...

the feds don't have to do much work for info.............they have "minders" at the banks to keep them up to speed.

 

[The Dude]

It's really best not to be mentioning any e-pay services out in the open. Make DoJ work for their information...

Thanks. Moved to here.

 

[GemG7]

Hi

Belle Rock Entertainment always sends me emails telling me to sign up for a QuickTender account.

Has anyone used a QuickTender account? Any experiences, etc?

Thanks in advance.

My experience withdrawing to QT it takes 24 to 48 hours depending on the casino.

This week I initiated a withdrawal from QT to my bank. Monday I initiated the withdrawal, Tuesday the status was "ordered", Wednesday the status was "confirmed" and the money was in my bank account this morning.

 

[winbig]

It's really best not to be mentioning any e-pay services out in the open. Make DoJ work for their information...

As it's been said before in other threads....by the time we know about these services, the DoJ has known about it for days, if not weeks, before.

 

[Mousey]

As it's been said before in other threads....by the time we know about these services, the DoJ has known about it for days, if not weeks, before.

And meanwhile, I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop... How is QT continuing to operate without a hitch?

 

[winbig]

And meanwhile, I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop... How is QT continuing to operate without a hitch?

Here's my conspiracy theory:

QT was setup by ECO for Americans, under orders from the DoJ. QT tells all of their "clients" (read: casinos) of this, and they have a choice - either play ball, or get hammered by the DoJ. The definition of "playing ball" is to hand USA player information over to QT, so they can pass it on to the DoJ.

There's 2 facts that support this theory:

1) Various casinos are OVEREAGER to sign a player up with QT (sometimes without their knowledge) when they try to cashout.
2) At other casinos, you must meet certain deposit minimums in order to get an invite.
a) Why would they want to sift through ALL USA player data, when they can get data from ACTIVE USA players?

and an observation -

Was RTG forced out of the USA, or did they leave on their own? If you'll notice, it wasn't really that long between QT showing up and RTG leaving the USA. Also notice the fact that QT first popped up in RTG casinos. Where am I going with this? Did the DoJ give RTG the option of either a) We're going to shut you down, and you'll face criminal charges, or b) Leave the USA and continue to do business, but play ball with us.

Which do you think they would choose?

I, for one, will be staying away from QT for the time being.

 

[lojo]

Oh my

As I'm breaking no law by using the processors, I don't worry about such things

The creation of player accounts is probably no different than this situation is it? https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/click2pay-account-opened-but-not-by-me.16942/

I'm of the opinion that ecocard is pretty much untouchable, if bank 'x' is blacklisted (if treasury ever issues guidelines,etc.) they will simply operate through bank 'z', etc. etc. bank 'x' is currently in the top 20 in euro market position with over a thousand billion dollars in assets and likely have no fear of us dept of treasury shenanigans; and could be far more troublesome than the antiguan mouse that roared if they are messed with.

I appreciate the wild minding, WinBig, but I kinda think something else is going on than an rtgdojeco conspiracy on this one

 

[winbig]

Oh my

As I'm breaking no law by using the processors, I don't worry about such things

The creation of player accounts is probably no different than this situation is it? https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/click2pay-account-opened-but-not-by-me.16942/

I'm of the opinion that ecocard is pretty much untouchable, if bank 'x' is blacklisted (if treasury ever issues guidelines,etc.) they will simply operate through bank 'z', etc. etc. bank 'x' is currently in the top 20 in euro market position with over a thousand billion dollars in assets and likely have no fear of us dept of treasury shenanigans; and could be far more troublesome than the antiguan mouse that roared if they are messed with.

I appreciate the wild minding, WinBig, but I kinda think something else is going on than an rtgdojeco conspiracy on this one

Actually, I don't think it matters if you use the processor or the casino itself. You're still using a US bank to initiate a transfer of funds for online gambling use

 

[lojo]

Yippers, it just doesn't happen to be illegal

 

[Mousey]

Yippers, it just doesn't happen to be illegal

But the DoJ and the FBI (et al) SAY and THINK and ACT like online gambling IS illegal. While that may not change the fact as to whether it 'tis or tisn't, I wouldn't want the legal expense of trying to prove them wrong.

And I still expect a hell of a lot of IRS audits to pop up for gamblers next year.

 

[lojo]

But the DoJ and the FBI (et al) SAY and THINK and ACT like online gambling IS illegal. While that may not change the fact as to whether it 'tis or tisn't, I wouldn't want the legal expense of trying to prove them wrong.

And I still expect a hell of a lot of IRS audits to pop up for gamblers next year.

I don't want to be a test case either. If I thought it was illegal to gamble online, I wouldn't do it. I haven't read anything but policy masquerading as law to tell me it is not still legal.

Do you expect the audit info to come from neteller via navigant, or do you think they have moles in the casinos or current processors? It's all possible I suppose...

 

[GrandMaster]

I'm of the opinion that ecocard is pretty much untouchable, if bank 'x' is blacklisted (if treasury ever issues guidelines,etc.) they will simply operate through bank 'z', etc. etc. bank 'x' is currently in the top 20 in euro market position with over a thousand billion dollars in assets and likely have no fear of us dept of treasury shenanigans; and could be far more troublesome than the antiguan mouse that roared if they are messed with.

Actually, the opposite is true. A large international bank with subsidiaries and other assets in the US has much to lose and relatively little to gain from processing gambling transactions.

 

[lojo]

Actually, the opposite is true. A large international bank with subsidiaries and other assets in the US has much to lose and relatively little to gain from processing gambling transactions.

Depends on their actual involvement in the operations I suppose. Of the hundreds of arms of this bank there are only three companies operating in the states, but they are significent I suppose; one handling over 125bn globally in 2007. But I suppose you are right and I'll defer to my initial supposition that if bank "x" is blacklisted, the processor can easily switch to bank "z".

 

[Mousey]

If I remember correctly, when NETeller was hit with subpoenas and indictments, etc., the feds also sent subpoenas to a few major foreign/international banks. Thus, I still wonder how/why QT functions. Of course, I'm sure it does help that the feds aren't holding 2 of QT/ECO's founders in jail as...um... shall we say... well... what's another word for hostage?

Lojo: re: my expecting audits. Both your suppositions may be true. Info from NETeller, it's founders, and also from all these processors that have bolted, shut down, and/or been arrested and are 'cooperating'. I've come to cringe every time I hear that word.... Personally, I think the DoJ has so much info right now, they're struggling to organize it and make decisions as to how it can be put to best use. And I fear things are going to get even worse before they get better.

I hope I am totally wrong.

 

[lojo]

I sure hope you are wrong too, but it would take them years to and hordes of staff to mess with everyone who ever played online.

The whole NLR thing was insane, since when did US law apply to foreign corporations... why did NLR itself have to agree to a 'deferred prosecution' when they committed no crime on US soil, and how do you prosecute an entity rather than a person, especially a foreign entity? It's crazy and I suppose that if the founders weren't at risk the company would have told the USAO to bugger off, 'hey, we quit doing business the day this act came into existence'. It just goes to show that it was a fear tactic, cleverly timed, and the UIGEA had nothing (in a legal sense)to do with the arrests.
I'm a pro-social, law abiding productive citizen, and if any Superior Court decision deems online gambling to be illegal, or if a law is passed that prohibits it, I won't do it.

Wow, we kinda went deraily here... sorry

 

[Mousey]

I sure hope you are wrong too, but it would take them years to and hordes of staff to mess with everyone who ever played online.

The whole NLR thing was insane, since when did US law apply to foreign corporations... why did NLR itself have to agree to a 'deferred prosecution' when they committed no crime on US soil, and how do you prosecute an entity rather than a person, especially a foreign entity? It's crazy and I suppose that if the founders weren't at risk the company would have told the USAO to bugger off, 'hey, we quit doing business the day this act came into existence'. It just goes to show that it was a fear tactic, cleverly timed, and the UIGEA had nothing (in a legal sense)to do with the arrests.
I'm a pro-social, law abiding productive citizen, and if any Superior Court decision deems online gambling to be illegal, or if a law is passed that prohibits it, I won't do it.

Wow, we kinda went deraily here... sorry

Oops... yep we did deraily... Sorry.

One last thought. I don't expect every last player to get audited or to receive a letter from the DoJ like a couple of players did wanting 'info' about casino payments. But I imagine the Feds have all the info they need in a wonderful database somewhere and software to filter out few/low transactions and the often/higher transactions, and by whom.

The climate must change -- and soon. If it doesn't I fear the trickle down effect... When the USAO runs out of big casinos and processors that will roll over, they just might begin looking at players. Prosecute a couple as an example to the rest of us. Quit sending money to the online casinos or.....


/de-rail