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The Online Player’s Union (OPU) has the following statement on their website:


“Online Players Union is an independent watchdog (directory) and information service not (*owned by) any casino or sports book.”

It has come to my attention that Pump Poker, and Money Pump, is owned by Damian Dunlap, owner of the OPU. The dot com for Pump Poker uses a “domain by proxy”. The dot net is registered to Damian.

If you were to go to the OPU at this time, Damian and the staff are heavily promoting Pump Poker, yet they are acting like they don’t know who owns it and just happened to find this awesome poker site/casino/sportsbook and rave about it. Why are all of the moderators acting as shills for Damian? Why all of the deception and secrecy? It appears that some of the staff from the OPU are posing as staff for Pump Poker also.

I believe that it is a real conflict of interest for a (self-proclaimed) watchdog site. I’m very concerned about the reasons for the deception.

Beware of Pump Poker and beware of the OPU.

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The Online Player’s Union (OPU) has the following statement on their website:


“Online Players Union is an independent watchdog (directory) and information service not (*owned by) any casino or sports book.”

It has come to my attention that Pump Poker, and Money Pump, is owned by Damian Dunlap, owner of the OPU. The dot com for Pump Poker uses a “domain by proxy”. The dot net is registered to Damian.

If you were to go to the OPU at this time, Damian and the staff are heavily promoting Pump Poker, yet they are acting like they don’t know who owns it and just happened to find this awesome poker site/casino/sportsbook and rave about it. Why are all of the moderators acting as shills for Damian? Why all of the deception and secrecy? It appears that some of the staff from the OPU are posing as staff for Pump Poker also.

I believe that it is a real conflict of interest for a (self-proclaimed) watchdog site. I’m very concerned about the reasons for the deception.

Beware of Pump Poker and beware of the OPU.

Why don't you come right out and say who you are?

“Online Players Union is an independent watchdog (directory) and information service not (*owned by) any casino or sports book.”

That is pretty much standard language, and us promoting a poker room does not indicate that we are owned by any poker room or casino.

It has come to my attention that Pump Poker, and Money Pump, is owned by Damian Dunlap, owner of the OPU. The dot com for Pump Poker uses a “domain by proxy”. The dot net is registered to Damian.

It has come to your attention??? Can you show me which law is broken by us owning a .net domain name? And where is your proof that Damian Dunlap owns pump poker or money pump?
The dot com for Pump Poker uses a “domain by proxy”.
So what?
The dot net is registered to Damian
Again, so what? The poker room is aware of this, and they have no problem with it. Why do you?

If you were to go to the OPU at this time, Damian and the staff are heavily promoting Pump Poker, yet they are acting like they don’t know who owns it and just happened to find this awesome poker site/casino/sportsbook and rave about it.
Ummm....have you ever heard of a media buy? We promote several casinos and poker rooms. But because we bought the .net domain name, all of the sudden we are guilty of something sinister???


It appears that some of the staff from the OPU are posing as staff for Pump Poker also.
HEY scumbag....you better damn well have proof of that! Because I can PROVE otherwise!

I believe that it is a real conflict of interest for a (self-proclaimed) watchdog site. I’m very concerned about the reasons for the deception.


HUH!!!!!! Why is this such a big concern to you??? Do you own a poker room and are concerned about some competition? Or are you part of the small group of people that read our site everyday and complain about it?

GET A LIFE! PLEASE!!!!!!!!


And please. for the love of god, can a moderator here PLEASE remove my partners personal info.
 
Hi all,

Please bear in mind forum rule 1.8
1.8 - No portal wars. Do not start a bitch session between one portal and another. Portal wars will not be tolerated.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/

I don't mind members having concerns on how websites are run, but let's keep it mellow, okay?

Thanks!
 
QUOTE: It has come to my attention that Pump Poker, and Money Pump, is owned by Damian Dunlap UNQUOTE

That's a very serious statement IF it is true, but I don't see it substantiated anywhere in this anonymous post, which imo reeks of a vindictive motive.

DD and I have personally never hit it off, and never will but I find this sort of cloaked accusation distasteful and unfair to say the least.

The fact that the accuser does not have the guts to come out into the open with it helps me discount the claims he (or she?) makes.
 
dominique said:
Re. portal wars: Might be interesting to see the IP of the first poster.
I looked at it and it's not that interesting. It was yours!

Ha! Just kidding.


m249a said:
And where is your proof that Damian Dunlap owns pump poker or money pump?
Ditto. You need to provide proof of ownership before going on a rant. Do not abuse this board with misguided postings. Thanks.
 
Isn't the whois information proof?

pumppoker.net and pumppoker.com were registered on the same day.

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Let's pretend for a moment that Casinomeister and staff all have signatures promoting 32Red, and 32Red staff come here to thank Casinomeister and staff for all of the business being sent their way from this site (that is what is going on at the OPU with Pump Poker).

Then a "whois" is done on 32Red and we discover 32Red is registered to Bryan Bailey. It would all be cool? No one would question anything or be upset at anything?

Things would sit better in my mind if Damian and staff had just "fessed up" and told the members that the OPU (or Damian himself) owned or were part of Pump Poker.
 
Perhaps Pump Poker would like to comment.

This has been plonked on a few boards and so far we have

*chirp* *chirp* *chirp*

from pump poker

:D
 
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Here are the Money Pump 247 terms and conditions:

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To be an authorized affiliate of Pump Poker, you agree to abide by the terms and conditions contained in this agreement.

Please read this agreement carefully before registering and using the Pump Poker(Money Pump 247)service as an affiliate. By signing up for the Money Pump 247 affiliate program, you indicate your acceptance of this agreement and its terms and conditions.

By joining the Money Pump 247 Affiliate Program, you agree to be bound by
the following terms and conditions set out in this agreement.

1. Grant of Promotion and Distribution License:
1.1. Money Pump 247 the Referral Company the non-exclusive, non-transferable
right and license to advertise, market and promote the Service ("Promotion
Rights"), in accordance with the terms and conditions hereof. All other
rights and licenses not expressly granted herein are reserved by Money Pump

2. Obligations of Money Pump:
2.1. Money Pump shall retain the right to provide the Service in any form Money Pump deems appropriate; and retains the right to change or cancel any part of the
Service, at any time and in any manner Money Pump deems appropriate, without prior
notice to the Referral Company. However, any strategic change of policy
towards Referral such as cancel any part of the Service at any time shall be
made with prior notice to the Referral Company.

2.2 Notwithstanding the terms of these Terms and Conditions, Money Pump shall not be
held responsible or liable for any loss of income, or loss of the ability to
produce income, incurred by the Referral Company; even if such losses should
arise from the inability of Money Pump to deliver the Services stipulated in these
Terms and Conditions for any reason whatsoever, whether Money Pump is at fault or
whether a third party is at fault.

2.3 Money Pump reserves the right to modify these Terms and Conditions at any
moment.

3. Obligations of The Referral Company:
3.1. The Referral Company shall employ its best efforts to actively and
effectively advertise market and promote the Service as widely as possible
so as to maximize the benefit to the Referral Company and to Money Pump 247.

3.2. The Referral Company shall only engage in advertising, marketing and
promotional efforts which do not violate any law, and which reflect
positively upon the business reputation of Money Pump 247(Pump Poker). In particular, the Referral Company agrees to market the Service in a manner that is consistent with the
content and style of the Service. In connection therewith, Money Pump shall have the
right to review and approve (approval shall not be unreasonably withheld)
the manner and methods of advertising, marketing and promotion used by the
Referral Company in connection with the Service.

3.3. Notwithstanding the approval by Money Pump given in accordance with section 3.2
of these Terms and Conditions, Money Pump shall under no circumstances be held
liable for--and the Referral Company shall indemnify, defend and hold Money Pump
harmless against--any and all claims asserted against Money Pump by reason of the
Referral Company's marketing and promotional efforts.

The Referral Company shall bear all costs and expenses incurred in
connection with the advertising, marketing and promotion of the Service;
including without limitation, all costs directly related to marketing.

3.4. Multiple Accounts: You are only entitled to set up one (1) Affiliate
membership account (Account) with each casino, represented by GW. You may
use your Account in connection with as many domains and/or websites you own
or otherwise have the right to use. GW reserves the right to allow an
Affiliate to maintain multiple accounts on a case to case basis.

3.5. The Terms&Conditions are subject to change at anytime and it is the
responsibility of the Referral Company to be aware of the latest rules and
regulations as applicable to their commissions and payments.

4. Compensation:
4.1. The Referral Companys compensation is calculated based on the Program
(CPA, REVENUE SHARING, FIRST POST-UP or OVERALL DEPOSITS) as set forth in
the following table.

4.1.1 CPA PER SIGNUP (MARKETERS CHOICE)
In this program we pay our affiliates based on each depositing player. Below
is the table of payout in this program

CPA
Up to 25 players per month - $10
26-49 players per month - $25
50+ players per month - $75

Please also note a player is only considered a depositing player should the
player deposit and play through the deposit. This is to protect Money Pump 247 from
potential fraudulent activity. Money Pump 247 reserves the right to withhold commissions
from the affiliate should the affiliate bring in 'problem' players or commit
fraud.


4.1.2. REVENUE SHARING (CLASSIC COMMISSIONS)
In this program we share the profit made by the winnings from the customers
with our affiliate.

Customer Net Losses
Up to $15,000 - 5%
$15,001 to $50,000 - 15%
$50,001 and greater - 20%

4.1.3. FIRST POST-UP - (INITIAL DEPOSITS)
In this program we share 5% of your players first deposit.

4.1.4. OVERALL DEPOSITS - (MONTHLY DEPOSITS)
In this program we pay our affiliates based on total affiliates deposits
during the month. Below is the table of payout in this program.

Up to $75,000 5%
Over $75,000 10%

4.2. "Net Loss" - shall mean, for any given calendar month, the total amount
of the referred Customers losses in the client's websites less the players'
winnings, less bonuses paid to customers by the clients and less any
customers charge backs.

4.3. Negative balance: Money Pump 247 reserves the right to review all Negative Balances
on a case to case basis for determination of pay amounts. Money Pump 247 also reserves
the right to withhold partial or complete payments in cases of Fraudulent
Player Actions, Charge backs, and other specific instances, where
intervention is required.

4.5. Money Pump 247 shall pay the Referral Company each month for services rendered
during the preceding calendar month.

Payment shall be made prior to the 15th working day of the following month.
If the amount of compensation for one month is less than US $200, the amount
shall be made available in the succeeding month (when the accumulated amount
is greater than US $200).

4.6. Money Pump 247(Pump Poker) shall have the right to withhold any and all payments to the Referral Company if the Referral Company is in breach of these Terms and
Conditions.

4.7. In cases where an affiliate is also a player, Money Pump 247 reserves the right not
to pay an affiliate for their personal losses.

4.8. Money Pump 247 may reverse any commission paid to Affiliate, and subtract said
commission from future payments to you, if Money Pump 247 receives a charge back on a
transaction from any customer referred by the Referral Company.

4.9. We have and reserve the right to pass on any Fraud Costs to Your
account.

4.10. Money Pump 247 reserves the right to change the Terms & Conditions at any time,
for any reason.

5. Term of Duration and Cancellation:
5.1. Money Pump 247 has the right to cancel the Promotion Rights with immediate effect
if with the Referral Company is in material breach of these Terms and
Conditions. Such breach includes, but is not limited to, situations when the
Referral Company engages in advertising, marketing, distribution and
promotional efforts that would impair Money Pump goodwill and business reputation,
or would expose Money Pump to legal liability.

5.2. Upon the cancellation of the Promotion Rights, the Referral Company
shall immediately return to Money Pump any and all materials, over which Money Pump has a proprietary right, that are in the Referral Company's possession and/or in
the possession of the Referral Company's agents, servants and employees. The
Referral Company shall also immediately remove any hyperlinks and materials,
over which Money Pump has a proprietary right, from the Referral Company's web site
and/or the web sites of the Referral Company's agents.

5.3. If the Promotion Rights are canceled, and the Referral Company is not
in default of these Terms and Conditions, the Referral Company shall have
the right to continue to receive a Referral Percentage on referred Users who
continues to utilize the Service after being referred to the Service by the
Referral Company during and up to four months from the day of the
cancellation.

5.4. Users that utilize Money Pump facilities and services and all information
relating to such Users shall remain the property of Money Pump at all times.

6. Account Statements:
6.1. All payments due to the Referral Company shall be made on or before the
15th working day of each following month, and will reflect payment for
services rendered the preceding month. Statements may be adjusted by Money Pump from
time to time to reflect overpayments, player charge backs and/or credits or
underpayments to consumers by Money Pump.

6.2. The Referral Company shall have the facility to monitor the Referral
Percentage and the payments in real time using an online monitoring system
at a secure web site.

6.3. Should the Referral Company dispute a payment received, the Referral
Company has 60 days from the date of receiving said payment/s within which
to lodge a claim or to challenge the amount paid. Should there be no
objection raised within this period then the amount tendered will be
regarded as accepted and no further claim/s will be entertained.

7. Exclusivity, Non-Competition and Ownership of Service name:
7.1. The Referral Company agrees, understands and acknowledges that Money Pump 247 may enter into Agreements of this type with third parties to promote the Service
or a similar version thereof.

7.2. The Referral Company has not paid consideration for the use of the
trademarks, logos, copyrights, trade names, or designations belonging to Money Pump,
and nothing contained in these Terms and Conditions shall give the Referral
Company any right, title or interest in or to any of them.

7.3. The Referral Company acknowledges that Money Pump own and retain all copyrights
and other proprietary rights, as well as any software supplied by Money Pump, in all
of the foregoing. The Referral Company shall not assert any claim or
interest in or to any trademark, trade name, copyright, service mark or logo
belonging or licensed to Money Pump, or do anything to adversely affect their
validity or enforceability. This includes any act or assistance to any act
that may infringe, or lead to the infringement of, any software copyright.

7.4. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing terms, the Referral
Company shall not itself attempt, or assist any third party in attempting,
to register any trademark, trade name or other proprietary right with any
governmental agency (federal, provincial, local or otherwise) or with any
other entity or authority, without the express, unequivocal and unambiguous
prior written consent of Money Pump or Pump Poker. The Referral Company shall not attach any additional trademarks, logos or trade designations to the Software; and
shall ensure that none of the trademarks (or any variations thereof) appear
in any portion of the Referral Company's name, or any name under which the
Referral Company conducts business. The Referral Company shall not affix a
trademark, logo or trade name of Money Pump to any non-Money Pump 247 product. The Referral Company shall not alter, erase, deface or overprint any notice of
proprietary rights on anything provided by Money Pump 247.

8. Confidentiality and Non-Disclosure:
The Referral Company and Money Pump each agree that each may have access to, and
become acquainted with, Confidential Information of the other. The Referral
Company and GW each specifically agree not to misuse, misappropriate or
disclose any such Confidential Information, directly or indirectly, to any
third party.

9. Representations, Warranties and Indemnity:
9.1. The Referral Company warrants, represents and covenants to Money Pumps that it
has all necessary rights, licenses, permissions and business permits; and
will comply with all applicable laws, rules and regulations in connection
with promoting the Service to Users.

9.2. The Referral Company agrees to indemnify and render Money Pumps harmless against
claims, liabilities, causes of action, damages, judgments, costs and
expenses arising out of, or in any way connected with, any breach or alleged
breach by the Referral Company of any representation, warranty or agreement
contained in this Section 9, or elsewhere in these Terms and Conditions.
 
Disclaimer: ;) I have no intention to start a portal war, nor do I have any hidden agendas

However I am concerned that an organisation such as the OPU which is designed to represent players, should be truly transparent, and there should be no hidden motives or agendas.

There are a number of coincidences here , which I would like to see clarified by either Damian or Mark.

What is the true nature of the relationship between the OPU and Pump Poker?

Also why is the ownership information for Pump Poker marked as private? Surely a trustworthy and transparent operation with nothing to hide would not need to hide this information from prospective players.

Why were the domains pumppoker.com and pumppoker.net registered on the same day - if there was no prior discussion between the OPU and Pump Poker how did Damian know that this domain extension was available? They are also both on the same nameserver.

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The evidence points to a link between the two organizations - the question is why would they not just transparent with their members instead of handling it as they have.
 
Well, DD is the one being accused, and his partner (see above) seems to be denying any such ownership: QUOTE: That is pretty much standard language, and us promoting a poker room does not indicate that we are owned by any poker room or casino. UNQUOTE

I think?
 
jetset said:
Well, DD is the one being accused, and his partner (see above) seems to be denying any such ownership: QUOTE: That is pretty much standard language, and us promoting a poker room does not indicate that we are owned by any poker room or casino. UNQUOTE

I think?

Jetset,

Do you have any thoughts or opinions on the whois registries showing Damian as the registrant for two out of the three relevant sites?
 
Check out the underlying registry data for pumppoker.com and pumppoker.net (3/4 down the pages). They are identitical!

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This is pumppoker.net

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Current Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
IP Address: 64.202.167.129 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)-ARIZONA-SCOTTSDALE
Lock Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
DMOZ no listings
Y! Directory: see listings
Web Site Title: Pump up your poker game at Pump Poker
Meta Description: PumpPoker is the number one poker room online with free rolls, holdem and a casino and sports book, one account many options.
Meta Keywords: Freerolls,free rolls, poker,onlinepoker,texas holdem,pumppoker,texas holdem,betpump,sportsbook, games,poker software,world poker tour,poker tournaments,black jack,craps,rakeback,football,basketball,lakers,spurs,soccer
Data as of: 14-Jun-2005


This is pumppoker.com

Show underlying registry data for this record

Current Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
IP Address: 64.202.163.137 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)-ARIZONA-SCOTTSDALE
Lock Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
DMOZ no listings
Y! Directory: see listings
Web Site Title: Pump up your poker game at Pump Poker
Meta Description: PumpPoker is the number one poker room online with free rolls, holdem and a casino and sports book, one account many options.
Meta Keywords: Freerolls,free rolls, poker,onlinepoker,texas holdem,pumppoker,texas holdem,betpump,sportsbook, games,poker software,world poker tour,poker tournaments,black jack,craps,rakeback,football,basketball,lakers,spurs,soccer
Data as of: 14-Jun-2005
 
I think that is remarkable but not conclusive. Remarkable enough for a further and more specific and clarifying denial from the OPU, perhaps.

You seem to be doing a lot of work on this, Heerlen - is your interest purely casual or do you have an axe to grind in this like the instigator of this thread?

There was a post a little earlier asking some pertinent questions for clarity, and perhaps Mark would return and address those points, which in turn would presumably give the lie to the anonymous people at work here?
 
Heerlen said:
Check out the underlying registry data for pumppoker.com and pumppoker.net (3/4 down the pages). They are identitical!

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This is pumppoker.net

Show underlying registry data for this record

Current Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
IP Address: 64.202.167.129 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)-ARIZONA-SCOTTSDALE
Lock Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
DMOZ no listings
Y! Directory: see listings
Web Site Title: Pump up your poker game at Pump Poker
Meta Description: PumpPoker is the number one poker room online with free rolls, holdem and a casino and sports book, one account many options.
Meta Keywords: Freerolls,free rolls, poker,onlinepoker,texas holdem,pumppoker,texas holdem,betpump,sportsbook, games,poker software,world poker tour,poker tournaments,black jack,craps,rakeback,football,basketball,lakers,spurs,soccer
Data as of: 14-Jun-2005


This is pumppoker.com

Show underlying registry data for this record

Current Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
IP Address: 64.202.163.137 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)-ARIZONA-SCOTTSDALE
Lock Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
DMOZ no listings
Y! Directory: see listings
Web Site Title: Pump up your poker game at Pump Poker
Meta Description: PumpPoker is the number one poker room online with free rolls, holdem and a casino and sports book, one account many options.
Meta Keywords: Freerolls,free rolls, poker,onlinepoker,texas holdem,pumppoker,texas holdem,betpump,sportsbook, games,poker software,world poker tour,poker tournaments,black jack,craps,rakeback,football,basketball,lakers,spurs,soccer
Data as of: 14-Jun-2005


Ouch! I guess that takes it from remarkable to very suspicious!

All the more reason for a clarifying statement.
 
jetset said:
You seem to be doing a lot of work on this, Heerlen - is your interest purely casual or do you have an axe to grind in this like the instigator of this thread?


It takes very little time to do a whois search. I love a good mystery!

As far as the axe to grind question, I don't really care for DD and I am disappointed because I thought that the OPU was going to be something good for the gambling industry and unfortunately, it isn't turning out that way. Other than that though, I don't give them much thought.
 
Theres too many coincidences here for it to be nothing.I think the questions Pam7122 posted there are good ones.Even the posts by "Ashley" and Damian....both have the same spelling errors......basteball No depoist
 
Re. misspellings: Spammers use them all the time to pass through filters, like most all of us know all too well.

Also, site owners often use them in SEO efforts or at pay per click engines to get those visitors who misspell what they are searching for in the search engines.

Both people could have copied some text to post that was originally purposefully misspelled.

This thread has obviously been instigated by someone who wants Damian's axx, Damian has certainly offended a lot of people. Because of that, I take it with a grain of salt, or maybe a whole salt shaker.

As far as the facts regarding pump poker, it does look like Damian might have a hand in it to some degree or other.

There are all kinds of creative deals regarding financing and ownership of poker rooms as well as all other gambling properties.

Due to the special situation with the OPU, this financial relationship does need to be made transparent now, if there is one.

I just wish I didn't have such a bad taste in my mouth about the motivations of the original poster.
 
Re. misspellings: Spammers use them all the time to pass through filters, like most all of us know all too well.

Yes,i know thats true.....The only person i've seen spell it like that though is Damian....and Ashley is the manager of Pump Poker isn't she?I just found it funny she has the exact same error.I guess she must have copied the post from him.I'm happy the original poster brought this out in the open myself.
 
dominique said:
I just wish I didn't have such a bad taste in my mouth about the motivations of the original poster.


I know EXACTLY how you feel Dominique! I felt the same way when I read Suzecat's thread about Fortune Lounge.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/no-tricks-heres-a-treat-for-you-only-from-bbs.9805/

While the motivations of Suzecat were suspect, (she's the OPU's shill for Virtual Casino's Danny, and OPU had just lost Fortune Lounge as a sponsor), there were still some legitimate concerns in the thread. Maybe it will help you to focus on the legitimate concerns that were raised?
 
Heads up in the forum

Just to let everyone know, this thread is on the verge of getting locked. Why? because it seems that there are new members here who have either an axe to grind or some stupid ass agenda that doesn't belong here.

I'm watching this thread closely, and I can already state that there are signs of new posters signing up with identical IPs.

Do not use this forum in a fraudulent manner. I will bust you out in a most public way.

Just a heads up. :D Please continue....
 
While the motivations of Suzecat were suspect, (she's the OPU's shill for Virtual Casino's Danny, and OPU had just lost Fortune Lounge as a sponsor), there were still some legitimate concerns in the thread. Maybe it will help you to focus on the legitimate concerns that were raised?

she's the OPU's shill for Virtual Casino's Danny,

That is absurd. Suzecat has been a member of the OPU since we were on ezboard. She is free to say and do as she wishes. Ask her, and she will confirm, she is not a paid staff member of the OPU. Nor is she a shill for Virtual ANYONE.

and OPU had just lost Fortune Lounge as a sponsor

Ummmmm.....no. We "Lost" NOTHING. But by making that statement, you identy has become quite obvious. The OPU still has an affiliate relationship with Fortune lounge. The contract you are speaking of, was with slick street marketing. But you already knew that didn't you?

there were still some legitimate concerns in the thread

Nothing legitimate. I replied to the original post. And I fail to see the point in restating the original response.
 
Heerlen said:
OPU had just lost Fortune Lounge as a sponsor

This is interesting. Yes, that post did change my view of things.

You know, media buyers can be a chatty sort.

I am sure I am not the only person who is aware of the smear campaign carried out against the OPU at various media buy places.

It is very difficult to keep secrets in this industry.

Now I am quite sure this is part of the same smear campaign.

I think the OPU should just ignore this stuff - ain't nobody's business but their own.
 
Isn't that interesting..Hmmmm

Casinomeister said:
Just to let everyone know, this thread is on the verge of getting locked. Why? because it seems that there are new members here who have either an axe to grind or some stupid ass agenda that doesn't belong here.

I'm watching this thread closely, and I can already state that there are signs of new posters signing up with identical IPs.

Do not use this forum in a fraudulent manner. I will bust you out in a most public way.

Just a heads up. :D Please continue....
 
As i stated earlier I have no intention to cause discord, nor do I have any issues with any of the OPU staff, or anyone else for that matter. Neither do I have any knowledge of any smear campaign by media sites against the OPU. I have been in this industry a long time both as a webmaster and a player and I just happen to feel strongly about this point.

Pump poker is a site designed to get players to deposit money, just like any other casino or sportsbook and as such players should be able to find out who is the company who own the domain. Why the secrecy? As a potential player I have the right to know, and as a webmaster who spends a lot of my working week trying to sort out player disputes with casinos I also have a right to know.

If indeed Damian does own Pump Poker, then that isnt an issue apart from a conflict of interest which has been discussed many times before and I have no intention of dragging the whole thing up again. However, this is about the players and they have the right to know who they are giving their money to.
 
Meister, I'm only posting so you'll have my IP, just to clear up that I've not been any poster in this thread, if I have something to say, I say it with my known nic, for I speak my mind when ready, to any one!

Static IP set up through my router here at home for networking, Meister will even be able to find my address and phone number with it -- :eek: :D
 
Winner Online forum had this response from OPUJakeThompson

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Hey guys.

My names Jake Thompson and I'm a sports mod over at OPU.

Damian is super busy with Thanksgiving holiday stuff last I heard so it may take him a couple of days to respond.

As far as I can tell, Damian is an affiliate of PumpPoker.com and the website in question is actually an affiliate redirect to the mainsite that Damian registered.

Damian's a standup guy and no matter what the slanderers and smear campaignists post about him, he's on the up and up.

Clevfan actually stumbled upon a 2nd website that redirected to the PumpPoker.com site that Damian registered and she grilled him on that for a little bit thinking she had a big story until Damian came and explained everything to her. I am trying to find the thread but whatever he said appeased her which is difficult to do if you know Clevfan from MW. The girl would grill her kids for 10 days straight if a cookie came up missing.

From what I can tell from the PumpPoker.com website, it is owner by the folks at BetCorp which are also behind one of the premier offshore sportsbooks (WWTS), among others. They have quite a few sportsbooks and all of them are rated high with the review sites.

I wish I could give you more details but you'll just have to wait for Damian to get back online when the Turkey Day stuff is over. He's super busy right now, like I said, and with any luck he's out buying me an XBox 360 for Christmas.
 
Heerlen said:
I know EXACTLY how you feel Dominique! I felt the same way when I read Suzecat's thread about Fortune Lounge.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/no-tricks-heres-a-treat-for-you-only-from-bbs.9805/

While the motivations of Suzecat were suspect, (she's the OPU's shill for Virtual Casino's Danny, and OPU had just lost Fortune Lounge as a sponsor), there were still some legitimate concerns in the thread. Maybe it will help you to focus on the legitimate concerns that were raised?

Be very careful Heerlen.........your comments verge on slander. DO NOT make any statements that cannot be backed up with facts! :(
 
Westland Bowl said:
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From what I can tell from the PumpPoker.com website, it is owner by the folks at BetCorp which are also behind one of the premier offshore sportsbooks (WWTS), among others. They have quite a few sportsbooks and all of them are rated high with the review sites.

Well, Jetset or someone should be able to easily verify this.

I know nothing about sportsbooks.
 
Word from the meister

I just want to jump in real quick to remind everyone that opening bogus accounts to try and stir the shit is a no-go here:

Donotpump's registration IP and Heerlen's are the same.

My thoughts and findings: Donotpump signed up - and immediately posted. Donotpump probably tried to sign up with an IP cloaking device (it didn't work), but when Donotpump posted, it recorded an IP from India. He/she makes one post and splits. Never comes back.

Then comes Heerlen with the same IP, but he/she does not use the device. He/she stirs the shit - but when I state that I will bust fraudulent posters out, this person reads this - and then splits.

Both users have been banned permanently. I will not tolerate people to use this board in a fraudulent manner. If you have a bone to pick, go pick your bones in another place.

If you have an issue about how someone conducts their business, there are tactful and acceptable ways to address this. To sign up a bogus account with the intent to smear someone is childish. You have no honor.

Finally, I will defend the integrity of Casinomeister's forum, so do not screw around here. Thanks for your understanding.
 
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unicorn40 said:
Looks like more than the poster was busted......Sure is interesting info. there....
would you care to elaborate Uni???

Even if the OPU owned Pump Poker...what business is it of anyones?
Do you know how expensive it is to own a casino online??

come on..think about it...and use your head....
 
Even if the OPU owned Pump Poker.......what business is it of anyones?

Why the big secret then??? People do seem to care a bit.....as some of the questions asked seem to say.I'm not even going to get into the "anybodys business" part......it's a bit past that.
 
The OPU and Pump Poker...

Posted by Slotchik:

Even if the OPU owned Pump Poker...what business is it of anyones?

The real issue here is one of deceit from the owners of a place that is professing itself to be some kind of great, and powerful player "WatchDog" site, which is totally bogus and deceitful. Players should not trust this site because you can't trust the owners.

This has been the main problem with them all along.
Damian is trying to build a "for profit" site on the backs of the players thru deceit, manipulation, and confrontation with competing portals.

All those things mentioned in the above posts on here are proof of deceit, and since the .com ownership has been mysteriously manipulated, and hidden from the public by the proxy registration, the proof provided is more than sufficient to prove that there is obviously a connection between PumpPoker, Damian Dunlap, and his Fake "WatchDog" site.

No Real WatchDog site would condone, promote, or back a Gambling site that hides it's ownership. In the normal course of "PROTECTING the PLAYER", this should
be the first essential requirement in order for them to promote it.

Damian knows it would be a conflict of interest, and a problem, so it's obvious that he is behind this covert Poker site.
 
Hi All,

I'm upgrading this thread to "closed" because I know where this is headed - a downward spiral. Please no portal wars here. I'm sure there are plenty of message boards that welcome (or even encourage) these sorts of threads. Unfortunately this is not one of them.
(rule 1.8)
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/

I wouldn't mind a discussion on the expectations or expected attributes of a watchdog site, but this seems not to be possible here with so much emotionalism.

Thanks for your understanding.
 
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