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Pump Poker and the OPU

Discussion in 'Casino Industry Discussion' started by DoNotPump, Nov 22, 2005.

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    Nov 22, 2005
  1. DoNotPump

    DoNotPump Banned User

    Occupation:
    Computers
    Location:
    Overseas
    The Online Player’s Union (OPU) has the following statement on their website:


    “Online Players Union is an independent watchdog (directory) and information service not (*owned by) any casino or sports book.”

    It has come to my attention that Pump Poker, and Money Pump, is owned by Damian Dunlap, owner of the OPU. The dot com for Pump Poker uses a “domain by proxy”. The dot net is registered to Damian.

    If you were to go to the OPU at this time, Damian and the staff are heavily promoting Pump Poker, yet they are acting like they don’t know who owns it and just happened to find this awesome poker site/casino/sportsbook and rave about it. Why are all of the moderators acting as shills for Damian? Why all of the deception and secrecy? It appears that some of the staff from the OPU are posing as staff for Pump Poker also.

    I believe that it is a real conflict of interest for a (self-proclaimed) watchdog site. I’m very concerned about the reasons for the deception.

    Beware of Pump Poker and beware of the OPU.

    Registrant:
    bishoplowfat.com

    Registered through: GoDaddy.com
    Domain Name: PUMPPOKER.NET
    Created on: 13-Sep-05
    Expires on: 13-Sep-07
    Last Updated on: 13-Sep-05

    Domain servers in listed order:
    PARK21.SECURESERVER.NET
    PARK22.SECURESERVER.NET
    [Whois Server]:whois.godaddy.com


    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Registrant Contact:
    Damian Dunlap
    Name Servers:
    dns1.supremecenter26.com
    dns2.supremecenter26.com

    Creation date: 19 Oct 2005 19:29:13
    Expiration date: 19 Oct 2006 19:29:13

    Whois-Services: This email is not visible to you.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Nov 22, 2005
  2. Nov 22, 2005
  3. m249a

    m249a Dormant account

    Occupation:
    self employed
    Location:
    Pa
    Why don't you come right out and say who you are?

    That is pretty much standard language, and us promoting a poker room does not indicate that we are owned by any poker room or casino.

    It has come to your attention??? Can you show me which law is broken by us owning a .net domain name? And where is your proof that Damian Dunlap owns pump poker or money pump?
    So what?
    Again, so what? The poker room is aware of this, and they have no problem with it. Why do you?

    Ummm....have you ever heard of a media buy? We promote several casinos and poker rooms. But because we bought the .net domain name, all of the sudden we are guilty of something sinister???


    HEY scumbag....you better damn well have proof of that! Because I can PROVE otherwise!


    HUH!!!!!! Why is this such a big concern to you??? Do you own a poker room and are concerned about some competition? Or are you part of the small group of people that read our site everyday and complain about it?

    GET A LIFE! PLEASE!!!!!!!!


    And please. for the love of god, can a moderator here PLEASE remove my partners personal info.
     
  4. Nov 22, 2005
  5. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    Hi all,

    Please bear in mind forum rule 1.8
    1.8 - No portal wars. Do not start a bitch session between one portal and another. Portal wars will not be tolerated.

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/forum_rules.php

    I don't mind members having concerns on how websites are run, but let's keep it mellow, okay?

    Thanks!
     
  6. Nov 23, 2005
  7. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

    Occupation:
    webmistress
    Location:
    The Boonies
    emmm - ahem - ahh - jeez, I think I bit my tongue off! :eek:

    Re. portal wars: Might be interesting to see the IP of the first poster.
     
  8. Nov 23, 2005
  9. m249a

    m249a Dormant account

    Occupation:
    self employed
    Location:
    Pa
    I will keep it mellow :rolleyes: If I violated a forum rule I apoligize.
     
  10. Nov 23, 2005
  11. slotchik

    slotchik Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Marketing
    Location:
    USA
    LOL now I work for Pump Poker!!!! How come you didn't tell me this Mark? I would of demanded a huge raise!!!!! :D
     
  12. Nov 23, 2005
  13. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    QUOTE: It has come to my attention that Pump Poker, and Money Pump, is owned by Damian Dunlap UNQUOTE

    That's a very serious statement IF it is true, but I don't see it substantiated anywhere in this anonymous post, which imo reeks of a vindictive motive.

    DD and I have personally never hit it off, and never will but I find this sort of cloaked accusation distasteful and unfair to say the least.

    The fact that the accuser does not have the guts to come out into the open with it helps me discount the claims he (or she?) makes.
     
  14. Nov 23, 2005
  15. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    I looked at it and it's not that interesting. It was yours!

    Ha! Just kidding.


    Ditto. You need to provide proof of ownership before going on a rant. Do not abuse this board with misguided postings. Thanks.
     
  16. Nov 23, 2005
  17. Heerlen

    Heerlen Banned User - violation of posting rules 1.8, 1.9

    Occupation:
    private
    Location:
    private
    Isn't the whois information proof?

    pumppoker.net and pumppoker.com were registered on the same day.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.


    Let's pretend for a moment that Casinomeister and staff all have signatures promoting 32Red, and 32Red staff come here to thank Casinomeister and staff for all of the business being sent their way from this site (that is what is going on at the OPU with Pump Poker).

    Then a "whois" is done on 32Red and we discover 32Red is registered to Bryan Bailey. It would all be cool? No one would question anything or be upset at anything?

    Things would sit better in my mind if Damian and staff had just "fessed up" and told the members that the OPU (or Damian himself) owned or were part of Pump Poker.
     
  18. Nov 23, 2005
  19. eek

    eek Dormant account

    Perhaps Pump Poker would like to comment.

    This has been plonked on a few boards and so far we have

    *chirp* *chirp* *chirp*

    from pump poker

    :D
     
  20. Nov 23, 2005
  21. Heerlen

    Heerlen Banned User - violation of posting rules 1.8, 1.9

    Occupation:
    private
    Location:
    private
    Here is the signature of one of the OPU moderators:


    Pump up your poker @ You must register/login in order to see the link. they have Casino & sportsbooks so... Tell them SrWilliam sent you please Click here to learn how to Earn money with Pumppoker You must register/login in order to see the link.





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    Here are the Money Pump 247 terms and conditions:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.


    To be an authorized affiliate of Pump Poker, you agree to abide by the terms and conditions contained in this agreement.

    Please read this agreement carefully before registering and using the Pump Poker(Money Pump 247)service as an affiliate. By signing up for the Money Pump 247 affiliate program, you indicate your acceptance of this agreement and its terms and conditions.

    By joining the Money Pump 247 Affiliate Program, you agree to be bound by
    the following terms and conditions set out in this agreement.

    1. Grant of Promotion and Distribution License:
    1.1. Money Pump 247 the Referral Company the non-exclusive, non-transferable
    right and license to advertise, market and promote the Service ("Promotion
    Rights"), in accordance with the terms and conditions hereof. All other
    rights and licenses not expressly granted herein are reserved by Money Pump

    2. Obligations of Money Pump:
    2.1. Money Pump shall retain the right to provide the Service in any form Money Pump deems appropriate; and retains the right to change or cancel any part of the
    Service, at any time and in any manner Money Pump deems appropriate, without prior
    notice to the Referral Company. However, any strategic change of policy
    towards Referral such as cancel any part of the Service at any time shall be
    made with prior notice to the Referral Company.

    2.2 Notwithstanding the terms of these Terms and Conditions, Money Pump shall not be
    held responsible or liable for any loss of income, or loss of the ability to
    produce income, incurred by the Referral Company; even if such losses should
    arise from the inability of Money Pump to deliver the Services stipulated in these
    Terms and Conditions for any reason whatsoever, whether Money Pump is at fault or
    whether a third party is at fault.

    2.3 Money Pump reserves the right to modify these Terms and Conditions at any
    moment.

    3. Obligations of The Referral Company:
    3.1. The Referral Company shall employ its best efforts to actively and
    effectively advertise market and promote the Service as widely as possible
    so as to maximize the benefit to the Referral Company and to Money Pump 247.

    3.2. The Referral Company shall only engage in advertising, marketing and
    promotional efforts which do not violate any law, and which reflect
    positively upon the business reputation of Money Pump 247(Pump Poker). In particular, the Referral Company agrees to market the Service in a manner that is consistent with the
    content and style of the Service. In connection therewith, Money Pump shall have the
    right to review and approve (approval shall not be unreasonably withheld)
    the manner and methods of advertising, marketing and promotion used by the
    Referral Company in connection with the Service.

    3.3. Notwithstanding the approval by Money Pump given in accordance with section 3.2
    of these Terms and Conditions, Money Pump shall under no circumstances be held
    liable for--and the Referral Company shall indemnify, defend and hold Money Pump
    harmless against--any and all claims asserted against Money Pump by reason of the
    Referral Company's marketing and promotional efforts.

    The Referral Company shall bear all costs and expenses incurred in
    connection with the advertising, marketing and promotion of the Service;
    including without limitation, all costs directly related to marketing.

    3.4. Multiple Accounts: You are only entitled to set up one (1) Affiliate
    membership account (Account) with each casino, represented by GW. You may
    use your Account in connection with as many domains and/or websites you own
    or otherwise have the right to use. GW reserves the right to allow an
    Affiliate to maintain multiple accounts on a case to case basis.

    3.5. The Terms&Conditions are subject to change at anytime and it is the
    responsibility of the Referral Company to be aware of the latest rules and
    regulations as applicable to their commissions and payments.

    4. Compensation:
    4.1. The Referral Companys compensation is calculated based on the Program
    (CPA, REVENUE SHARING, FIRST POST-UP or OVERALL DEPOSITS) as set forth in
    the following table.

    4.1.1 CPA PER SIGNUP (MARKETERS CHOICE)
    In this program we pay our affiliates based on each depositing player. Below
    is the table of payout in this program

    CPA
    Up to 25 players per month - $10
    26-49 players per month - $25
    50+ players per month - $75

    Please also note a player is only considered a depositing player should the
    player deposit and play through the deposit. This is to protect Money Pump 247 from
    potential fraudulent activity. Money Pump 247 reserves the right to withhold commissions
    from the affiliate should the affiliate bring in 'problem' players or commit
    fraud.


    4.1.2. REVENUE SHARING (CLASSIC COMMISSIONS)
    In this program we share the profit made by the winnings from the customers
    with our affiliate.

    Customer Net Losses
    Up to $15,000 - 5%
    $15,001 to $50,000 - 15%
    $50,001 and greater - 20%

    4.1.3. FIRST POST-UP - (INITIAL DEPOSITS)
    In this program we share 5% of your players first deposit.

    4.1.4. OVERALL DEPOSITS - (MONTHLY DEPOSITS)
    In this program we pay our affiliates based on total affiliates deposits
    during the month. Below is the table of payout in this program.

    Up to $75,000 5%
    Over $75,000 10%

    4.2. "Net Loss" - shall mean, for any given calendar month, the total amount
    of the referred Customers losses in the client's websites less the players'
    winnings, less bonuses paid to customers by the clients and less any
    customers charge backs.

    4.3. Negative balance: Money Pump 247 reserves the right to review all Negative Balances
    on a case to case basis for determination of pay amounts. Money Pump 247 also reserves
    the right to withhold partial or complete payments in cases of Fraudulent
    Player Actions, Charge backs, and other specific instances, where
    intervention is required.

    4.5. Money Pump 247 shall pay the Referral Company each month for services rendered
    during the preceding calendar month.

    Payment shall be made prior to the 15th working day of the following month.
    If the amount of compensation for one month is less than US $200, the amount
    shall be made available in the succeeding month (when the accumulated amount
    is greater than US $200).

    4.6. Money Pump 247(Pump Poker) shall have the right to withhold any and all payments to the Referral Company if the Referral Company is in breach of these Terms and
    Conditions.

    4.7. In cases where an affiliate is also a player, Money Pump 247 reserves the right not
    to pay an affiliate for their personal losses.

    4.8. Money Pump 247 may reverse any commission paid to Affiliate, and subtract said
    commission from future payments to you, if Money Pump 247 receives a charge back on a
    transaction from any customer referred by the Referral Company.

    4.9. We have and reserve the right to pass on any Fraud Costs to Your
    account.

    4.10. Money Pump 247 reserves the right to change the Terms & Conditions at any time,
    for any reason.

    5. Term of Duration and Cancellation:
    5.1. Money Pump 247 has the right to cancel the Promotion Rights with immediate effect
    if with the Referral Company is in material breach of these Terms and
    Conditions. Such breach includes, but is not limited to, situations when the
    Referral Company engages in advertising, marketing, distribution and
    promotional efforts that would impair Money Pump goodwill and business reputation,
    or would expose Money Pump to legal liability.

    5.2. Upon the cancellation of the Promotion Rights, the Referral Company
    shall immediately return to Money Pump any and all materials, over which Money Pump has a proprietary right, that are in the Referral Company's possession and/or in
    the possession of the Referral Company's agents, servants and employees. The
    Referral Company shall also immediately remove any hyperlinks and materials,
    over which Money Pump has a proprietary right, from the Referral Company's web site
    and/or the web sites of the Referral Company's agents.

    5.3. If the Promotion Rights are canceled, and the Referral Company is not
    in default of these Terms and Conditions, the Referral Company shall have
    the right to continue to receive a Referral Percentage on referred Users who
    continues to utilize the Service after being referred to the Service by the
    Referral Company during and up to four months from the day of the
    cancellation.

    5.4. Users that utilize Money Pump facilities and services and all information
    relating to such Users shall remain the property of Money Pump at all times.

    6. Account Statements:
    6.1. All payments due to the Referral Company shall be made on or before the
    15th working day of each following month, and will reflect payment for
    services rendered the preceding month. Statements may be adjusted by Money Pump from
    time to time to reflect overpayments, player charge backs and/or credits or
    underpayments to consumers by Money Pump.

    6.2. The Referral Company shall have the facility to monitor the Referral
    Percentage and the payments in real time using an online monitoring system
    at a secure web site.

    6.3. Should the Referral Company dispute a payment received, the Referral
    Company has 60 days from the date of receiving said payment/s within which
    to lodge a claim or to challenge the amount paid. Should there be no
    objection raised within this period then the amount tendered will be
    regarded as accepted and no further claim/s will be entertained.

    7. Exclusivity, Non-Competition and Ownership of Service name:
    7.1. The Referral Company agrees, understands and acknowledges that Money Pump 247 may enter into Agreements of this type with third parties to promote the Service
    or a similar version thereof.

    7.2. The Referral Company has not paid consideration for the use of the
    trademarks, logos, copyrights, trade names, or designations belonging to Money Pump,
    and nothing contained in these Terms and Conditions shall give the Referral
    Company any right, title or interest in or to any of them.

    7.3. The Referral Company acknowledges that Money Pump own and retain all copyrights
    and other proprietary rights, as well as any software supplied by Money Pump, in all
    of the foregoing. The Referral Company shall not assert any claim or
    interest in or to any trademark, trade name, copyright, service mark or logo
    belonging or licensed to Money Pump, or do anything to adversely affect their
    validity or enforceability. This includes any act or assistance to any act
    that may infringe, or lead to the infringement of, any software copyright.

    7.4. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing terms, the Referral
    Company shall not itself attempt, or assist any third party in attempting,
    to register any trademark, trade name or other proprietary right with any
    governmental agency (federal, provincial, local or otherwise) or with any
    other entity or authority, without the express, unequivocal and unambiguous
    prior written consent of Money Pump or Pump Poker. The Referral Company shall not attach any additional trademarks, logos or trade designations to the Software; and
    shall ensure that none of the trademarks (or any variations thereof) appear
    in any portion of the Referral Company's name, or any name under which the
    Referral Company conducts business. The Referral Company shall not affix a
    trademark, logo or trade name of Money Pump to any non-Money Pump 247 product. The Referral Company shall not alter, erase, deface or overprint any notice of
    proprietary rights on anything provided by Money Pump 247.

    8. Confidentiality and Non-Disclosure:
    The Referral Company and Money Pump each agree that each may have access to, and
    become acquainted with, Confidential Information of the other. The Referral
    Company and GW each specifically agree not to misuse, misappropriate or
    disclose any such Confidential Information, directly or indirectly, to any
    third party.

    9. Representations, Warranties and Indemnity:
    9.1. The Referral Company warrants, represents and covenants to Money Pumps that it
    has all necessary rights, licenses, permissions and business permits; and
    will comply with all applicable laws, rules and regulations in connection
    with promoting the Service to Users.

    9.2. The Referral Company agrees to indemnify and render Money Pumps harmless against
    claims, liabilities, causes of action, damages, judgments, costs and
    expenses arising out of, or in any way connected with, any breach or alleged
    breach by the Referral Company of any representation, warranty or agreement
    contained in this Section 9, or elsewhere in these Terms and Conditions.
     
  22. Nov 23, 2005
  23. Pam7122

    Pam7122 Webmaster webmeister

    Occupation:
    webmaster
    Location:
    UK
    Disclaimer: ;) I have no intention to start a portal war, nor do I have any hidden agendas

    However I am concerned that an organisation such as the OPU which is designed to represent players, should be truly transparent, and there should be no hidden motives or agendas.

    There are a number of coincidences here , which I would like to see clarified by either Damian or Mark.

    What is the true nature of the relationship between the OPU and Pump Poker?

    Also why is the ownership information for Pump Poker marked as private? Surely a trustworthy and transparent operation with nothing to hide would not need to hide this information from prospective players.

    Why were the domains pumppoker.com and pumppoker.net registered on the same day - if there was no prior discussion between the OPU and Pump Poker how did Damian know that this domain extension was available? They are also both on the same nameserver.

    Explain these posts:
    ashley
    New User
    $20.00 free bet at BetPump.com
    Sun 06 Nov, 2005 18:21
    Age: 22
    Zodiac:

    Joined: 04 Nov 2005
    Posts: 4
    0.21 posts per day
    0.14% of total

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    and damiandunlap
    Registered User
    Posts: 32
    (11/8/05 10:24 am)
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    The evidence points to a link between the two organizations - the question is why would they not just transparent with their members instead of handling it as they have.
     
  24. Nov 23, 2005
  25. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Well, DD is the one being accused, and his partner (see above) seems to be denying any such ownership: QUOTE: That is pretty much standard language, and us promoting a poker room does not indicate that we are owned by any poker room or casino. UNQUOTE

    I think?
     
  26. Nov 23, 2005
  27. Heerlen

    Heerlen Banned User - violation of posting rules 1.8, 1.9

    Occupation:
    private
    Location:
    private
    Jetset,

    Do you have any thoughts or opinions on the whois registries showing Damian as the registrant for two out of the three relevant sites?
     
  28. Nov 23, 2005
  29. Heerlen

    Heerlen Banned User - violation of posting rules 1.8, 1.9

    Occupation:
    private
    Location:
    private
    Check out the underlying registry data for pumppoker.com and pumppoker.net (3/4 down the pages). They are identitical!

    You must register/login in order to see the link.


    You must register/login in order to see the link.


    This is pumppoker.net

    Show underlying registry data for this record

    Current Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
    IP Address: 64.202.167.129 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
    IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)-ARIZONA-SCOTTSDALE
    Lock Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
    DMOZ no listings
    Y! Directory: see listings
    Web Site Title: Pump up your poker game at Pump Poker
    Meta Description: PumpPoker is the number one poker room online with free rolls, holdem and a casino and sports book, one account many options.
    Meta Keywords: Freerolls,free rolls, poker,onlinepoker,texas holdem,pumppoker,texas holdem,betpump,sportsbook, games,poker software,world poker tour,poker tournaments,black jack,craps,rakeback,football,basketball,lakers,spurs,soccer
    Data as of: 14-Jun-2005


    This is pumppoker.com

    Show underlying registry data for this record

    Current Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
    IP Address: 64.202.163.137 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
    IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)-ARIZONA-SCOTTSDALE
    Lock Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
    DMOZ no listings
    Y! Directory: see listings
    Web Site Title: Pump up your poker game at Pump Poker
    Meta Description: PumpPoker is the number one poker room online with free rolls, holdem and a casino and sports book, one account many options.
    Meta Keywords: Freerolls,free rolls, poker,onlinepoker,texas holdem,pumppoker,texas holdem,betpump,sportsbook, games,poker software,world poker tour,poker tournaments,black jack,craps,rakeback,football,basketball,lakers,spurs,soccer
    Data as of: 14-Jun-2005
     
  30. Nov 23, 2005
  31. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    I think that is remarkable but not conclusive. Remarkable enough for a further and more specific and clarifying denial from the OPU, perhaps.

    You seem to be doing a lot of work on this, Heerlen - is your interest purely casual or do you have an axe to grind in this like the instigator of this thread?

    There was a post a little earlier asking some pertinent questions for clarity, and perhaps Mark would return and address those points, which in turn would presumably give the lie to the anonymous people at work here?
     
  32. Nov 23, 2005
  33. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth

    Ouch! I guess that takes it from remarkable to very suspicious!

    All the more reason for a clarifying statement.
     
  34. Nov 23, 2005
  35. Heerlen

    Heerlen Banned User - violation of posting rules 1.8, 1.9

    Occupation:
    private
    Location:
    private

    It takes very little time to do a whois search. I love a good mystery!

    As far as the axe to grind question, I don't really care for DD and I am disappointed because I thought that the OPU was going to be something good for the gambling industry and unfortunately, it isn't turning out that way. Other than that though, I don't give them much thought.
     
  36. Nov 23, 2005
  37. unicorn40

    unicorn40 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    cold storage warehouse worker
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada....
    Theres too many coincidences here for it to be nothing.I think the questions Pam7122 posted there are good ones.Even the posts by "Ashley" and Damian....both have the same spelling errors......basteball No depoist
     
  38. Nov 23, 2005
  39. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

    Occupation:
    webmistress
    Location:
    The Boonies
    Re. misspellings: Spammers use them all the time to pass through filters, like most all of us know all too well.

    Also, site owners often use them in SEO efforts or at pay per click engines to get those visitors who misspell what they are searching for in the search engines.

    Both people could have copied some text to post that was originally purposefully misspelled.

    This thread has obviously been instigated by someone who wants Damian's axx, Damian has certainly offended a lot of people. Because of that, I take it with a grain of salt, or maybe a whole salt shaker.

    As far as the facts regarding pump poker, it does look like Damian might have a hand in it to some degree or other.

    There are all kinds of creative deals regarding financing and ownership of poker rooms as well as all other gambling properties.

    Due to the special situation with the OPU, this financial relationship does need to be made transparent now, if there is one.

    I just wish I didn't have such a bad taste in my mouth about the motivations of the original poster.
     
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