Providers moving the goal posts

[Bloatgoat]

Whatever. There are other (ex) forum members that do agree that landbased is simply a better option then online. Gambling is supposed to be a form of entertainment. Not a stressfull play over and over and over again. Really how many of you felth screwed over after a session?

Casino's are very good at math. And if they change something is usually not in your or my favor, but in favor of the house and provider. Nothing more.

 

[goatwack]

What are you crazy cats doing here! The party's in the Evolution Thread II!

 

[Kroffe]

What are you crazy cats doing here! The party's in the Evolution Thread II!

Stay to long in one thread and the white-suits get ya.

 

[dionysus]

What are you crazy cats doing here! The party's in the Evolution Thread II!

I got bored. Evolution implies something new

 

[goatwack]

I got bored. Evolution implies something new

It's been dubbed the Evilution thread so I'd like you to consider changing the title, for clarity

 

[dionysus]

It's been dubbed the Evilution thread so I'd like you to consider changing the title, for clarity

revolution, perhaps?
TO ARMS!

 

[Kroffe]

revolution, perhaps?
TO ARMS!

In USA everybody has the right to bear arms, even those who already have bear arms.
And thats how a bare armed bear can bear arms with his bare bear arms over there.

 

[dionysus]

i bearly followed that

 

[@@@]

Providers changing game play happens. Whether it happens as often as people think is questionable.

Why does it bother you that much that providers alter maths sometimes?

So you are lecturing people about the fairness of this industry while maintaining a straight face confirming that the games don't play as stated and expected. There is not one good reason to alter a game other than making it more profitable for the casino. Look how Bonanza was modified in triggering bonuses, at one point it took in the thousands to trigger one and pay 200xplus now in under 300 spins and it pays nothing. However at least it confirms that the testing labs are worth existing if the providers alter the games sometime after the initial period of the launch. Also a proof as to why the games cease to play the same like when launched. Why are the games not closely followed is the question, what's in for the testing labs? We all know what.

In general, from the beginning of the time, all gambling business has been controlled by the mafia and criminals (pretty much the same as prostitution).

Nowadays, everything is still the same but very well hidden from unwanted people.

I reckon out there are plenty of unregulated or poorly regulated online casinos which have been created for the money laundering purposes only.

As long as they keep paying me, I will ask no questions

The purpose of this life is to reach general wellness, to do so you need money. Some of us are working to get There, you also work hardly to undermine the people beliefs and trying to restore faith in what has been proved to be corrupt. From your position earning a questionable dough paid in envelope you can't lecture people what is true or not, you have the best personal interest to keep the mouths shut with so called arguments so you continue to make money. I find it tragic that so many are taking your statements for granted when you are one of THEM.

 

[dionysus]

da fuq?
he actually has 0 personal interest in trying to sell the proverbial brooklyn/golden gate/enter preferred bridge here...because what is there to gain by flouting the integrity of a competitior's product? It makes MORE sense to call out bad apples
unless you're a tinfoil laden, card carrying mad hatter convinced everyone out there in the industry belongs to some clandestine cabal

selling rotten apples as a vendor in the public eye - because internet is forever - is counter-productive to having a lengthy and successful career

I'm not saying trance is a god or guru - but i believe he's 'selling' in good faith

 

[dionysus]

and ftr, I fully believe, there's a high likelihood, this is a banned acct trying to sell their snakeskin oils under a new pseudonym; the posting style is too...familiar

 

[@@@]

Enough material for a costume.
You seem to be quite distressed that I dare to question some "facts". I sell nothing and I'm not under the impression that the industry in full is working towards scamming the player. Certain people do and certain providers. If you want a scam free environment you have to call them out. I find it laughable that the light bringer is contradicting himself in the statements and pushed the discussion in a direction, not like anyone noticed. It helped to read the thread all at once and dotting the nonsense.

 

[dionysus]

well, when you present facts, you let us all know

 

[trancemonkey]

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Enough material for a costume.
You seem to be quite distressed that I dare to question some "facts". I sell nothing and I'm not under the impression that the industry in full is working towards scamming the player. Certain people do and certain providers. If you want a scam free environment you have to call them out. I find it laughable that the light bringer is contradicting himself in the statements and pushed the discussion in a direction, not like anyone noticed. It helped to read the thread all at once and dotting the nonsense.

Where did I contradict myself?

Firstly, the message about "As long as they keep paying me..." was quite clearly sarcastic, and meant in good humor.

Secondly, I was being honest. Im sure some providers do change maths sometimes, but i would be surprised if anyone changes the maths of a successful game - I've never heard of this happening, although I can't say it never has. But even if they did do it occasionally, why would it matter? If they change it and you don't like it any more, then take your money elsewhere. It is really that simple.

That said, I could honestly see a good argument for having the game version somewhere really obvious and also informing the player if maths changes. Not necessarily what has changed, but at least that it has changed.

 

[Kroffe]

Where did I contradict myself?

Firstly, the message about "As long as they keep paying me..." was quite clearly sarcastic, and meant in good humor.

Secondly, I was being honest. Im sure some providers do change maths sometimes, but i would be surprised if anyone changes the maths of a successful game - I've never heard of this happening, although I can't say it never has. But even if they did do it occasionally, why would it matter? If they change it and you don't like it any more, then take your money elsewhere. It is really that simple.

That said, I could honestly see a good argument for having the game version somewhere really obvious and also informing the player if maths changes. Not necessarily what has changed, but at least that it has changed.

Would probably be easy to make it so you get a pop-up saying
"Since you last played this slot, the version has been updated, this is what changed"
or something along those lines.

 

[trancemonkey]

Would probably be easy to make it so you get a pop-up saying
"Since you last played this slot, the version has been updated, this is what changed"
or something along those lines.

Yeah, I could honestly see no real arguments against that. The idea that providers can't change their own games is laughable BUT there is no reason I can think of not to at least tell people it has changed.

 

[@@@]

It also needs to state that in a random game dead spins are more prevalent in relation to your bet, the more you raise the more deader it becomes. Bet 20c it plays good then switch to 20eu not a win spin in sight. The abundance of huge hits on small bets only is not a coincidence, they are programmed to burst on low bets for the exposure then people betting larger trying to replicate it.

Why they need to state anything about the game changes, why is there the need for versions and changes to occur? If game is faulty and they were not capable at picking up during testing, the game should be discontinued. I accept design changes, anything else is to fix a faulty game or to make it faulty to generate more money.
If you never heard about a successful game havig the maths changed then you never heard of raging rhino, dead or alive??? The more successful equals to more people playing them getting ripped off. Your honesty will be valid and hold any importance in this context when you quit your job and next one will not be related to gambling, you come across knowledgeable to the people because you are an insider. However you can alter the knowledge to suit your agenda that may include personal benefit, spreading false info that will be further shared and becomes the truth for the lack of a better official version, there is no way you would vouch for other providers honesty if it wasn't for your well being in the industry.

Even if you want to expose the whole operation, your job simply forbids by its nature to come and tell the truth, you can't bite the illicit hand that pays you to not only make slots but spread a certain vision and info on the forums. How many slot producers are there on this or other forums telling how the things work? None. You've been sent with this mission to propagate fabricated views about how slots work, the perpetual randomness and how great is the industry. And I fully understand. It's all about the money.

 

[Kroffe]

It also needs to state that in a random game dead spins are more prevalent in relation to your bet, the more you raise the more deader it becomes. Bet 20c it plays good then switch to 20eu not a win spin in sight. The abundance of huge hits on small bets only is not a coincidence, they are programmed to burst on low bets for the exposure then people betting larger trying to replicate it.

Why they need to state anything about the game changes, why is there the need for versions and changes to occur? If game is faulty and they were not capable at picking up during testing, the game should be discontinued. I accept design changes, anything else is to fix a faulty game or to make it faulty to generate more money.
If you never heard about a successful game havig the maths changed then you never heard of raging rhino, dead or alive??? The more successful equals to more people playing them getting ripped off. Your honesty will be valid and hold any importance in this context when you quit your job and next one will not be related to gambling, you come across knowledgeable to the people because you are an insider. However you can alter the knowledge to suit your agenda that may include personal benefit, spreading false info that will be further shared and becomes the truth for the lack of a better official version, there is no way you would vouch for other providers honesty if it wasn't for your well being in the industry.

Even if you want to expose the whole operation, your job simply forbids by its nature to come and tell the truth, you can't bite the illicit hand that pays you to not only make slots but spread a certain vision and info on the forums. And I fully understand. It's all about the money.

Yeah, its not like there are more people making more spins at 20c that is causing alot of the big hits to be on small stakes.

I think you should learn programming or get good at design, and then take a job with some provider.
That way you can get the inside knowledge only the thousands and thousands of people working in the casino-industry have, and use it to bring the whole conspiracy to light!

 

[dionysus]

Even if you want to expose the whole operation, your job simply forbids by its nature to come and tell the truth, you can't bite the illicit hand that pays you

What?
the opposite is true
besides the fact people would NOT want to be associated with shit show properties, of the many, many disgruntled employess, by dint of pure odds, ONE would have come forward

more and more, im being hearkened back to a previous (bitter) member

i may well be wrong...but hey, we gamblers, and im betting down 10 to 1

 

[Halvor]

Even if you want to expose the whole operation, your job simply forbids by its nature to come and tell the truth, you can't bite the illicit hand that pays you to not only make slots but spread a certain vision and info on the forums. How many slot producers are there on this or other forums telling how the things work? None. You've been sent with this mission to propagate fabricated views about how slots work, the perpetual randomness and how great is the industry. And I fully understand. It's all about the money.

Id love to see some actual proof of all your claims.

And do you honestly believe that every person that got fired, left the industry and what not just decided to stay quiet if the industry were crooked?

Also your the one here with a mission, not trance

 

[@@@]

The thousands upon thousands of people you mention are a handful of evil people at the top, most likely residing in Malta spreading a bit of the dough to those under them for making and maintaining the operation alive risk free. People like trancemonkey are trained and sent to spread what they deem to be worth knowing related to industry, I don't suspect him of knowing too much either in a tier like syndicate, his presence here is part of his job and the point is to calm the masses assuring them of the safety and integrity of the games. We need to act our age and be critic of whatever cookie they throw at us hoping that we fall for it.

@Halvor Location: Malta. You don't at least attempt to hide it.

 

[dionysus]

oh good gods, we've gone into moon landing fakery territory here
and im out, because im 99% certain I'll wake and you'll have been outed as a past thorn
(we all know)
y'all enjoy

 

[Halvor]

Why would I hide it? I've bloody confirmed it in this very thread that I work in the industry.

I get it mate, you lost some money, you feel a bit butt hurt and feel like ranting. But that does not act as proof that the industry is bent, corrupted or evil.

 

[Kroffe]

Why would I hide it? I've bloody confirmed it in this very thread that I work in the industry.

I get it mate, you lost some money, you feel a bit butt hurt and feel like ranting. But that does not act as proof that the industry is bent, corrupted or evil.

I dont think its rigged, but atleast by my standards, it is kind of evil.
But its a more fun kind of evil compared to for example the tobacco industry.

 

[dionysus]

I dont think its rigged, but atleast by my standards, it is kind of evil.
But its a more fun kind of evil compared to for example the tobacco industry.

youve a skewed sense of morality, so we cant trust you
the wolrd needs bees, ya greedy, hungry, selfish bastich

 

[Kroffe]

youve a skewed sense of morality, so we cant trust you
the wolrd needs bees, ya greedy, hungry, selfish bastich


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Dude, i dont eat the bees!

 

[Halvor]

I dont think its rigged, but atleast by my standards, it is kind of evil.
But its a more fun kind of evil compared to for example the tobacco industry.

I bet the handful of evil people in the gambling industry also run the tobacco industry.

 

[dionysus]

Dude, i dont eat the bees!

yes, but they died of loss of self fulfillment
i talked to two and they said, 'fuggit, wasted day, wasted effort, id sooner the kids become lawyers'
then they flew off, i head a bang, and theyd offed themselves
sad



stop bee suicides now, save the bees

 

[paul7388]

Dude, i dont eat the bees!

Don't blame you. Especially after what happened to your cousin that kept eating bees.

 

[Kroffe]

yes, but they died of loss of self fulfillment
i talked to two and they said, 'fuggit, wasted day, wasted effort, id sooner the kids become lawyers'
then they flew off, i head a bang, and theyd offed themselves
sad



stop bee suicides now, save the bees

Eh, i got a better idea!

 

[dionysus]

Don't blame you. Especially after what happened to your cousin that kept eating bees.

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i just spit soda
lol

 

[@@@]

Halvor hammering your business to the point of no income will surely hurt. When I wrote in Evolution chat how the system works you sent the troops assuring me that everything is legit. When I insisted that what you do is illegal the lie brigade stopped writing and been banned. You really don't like to read people sensing the fraud and joining up do you. One day will grow to a planetary scale scandal, your minions hired everywhere to discredit any opinion not in line will be left in hunger without jobs.

 

[Halvor]

I don't work for evolution, I have never worked for evolution nor do I have any financial interest in how they perform.

Your a tin foiler, you have absolutely no proof and it's solely based on the fact you lost money.

Maybe your better off sticking to norsk tipping mate, or do they also scam you?

 

[dionysus]

Halvor hammering your business to the point of no income will surely hurt. When I wrote in Evolution chat how the system works you sent the troops assuring me that everything is legit. When I insisted that what you do is illegal the lie brigade stopped writing and been banned. You really don't like to read people sensing the fraud and joining up do you. One day will grow to a planetary scale scandal, your minions hired everywhere to discredit any opinion not in line will be left in hunger without jobs.

ah
Evolution is crooked
Proivders moving goalposts
i get your metric

oh? and having been banned?
called THAT in one

 

[dionysus]

on the plus side, there's one way to move into a new name and thread

 

[trancemonkey]

It also needs to state that in a random game dead spins are more prevalent in relation to your bet, the more you raise the more deader it becomes. Bet 20c it plays good then switch to 20eu not a win spin in sight. The abundance of huge hits on small bets only is not a coincidence, they are programmed to burst on low bets for the exposure then people betting larger trying to replicate it.

Why they need to state anything about the game changes, why is there the need for versions and changes to occur? If game is faulty and they were not capable at picking up during testing, the game should be discontinued. I accept design changes, anything else is to fix a faulty game or to make it faulty to generate more money.
If you never heard about a successful game havig the maths changed then you never heard of raging rhino, dead or alive??? The more successful equals to more people playing them getting ripped off. Your honesty will be valid and hold any importance in this context when you quit your job and next one will not be related to gambling, you come across knowledgeable to the people because you are an insider. However you can alter the knowledge to suit your agenda that may include personal benefit, spreading false info that will be further shared and becomes the truth for the lack of a better official version, there is no way you would vouch for other providers honesty if it wasn't for your well being in the industry.

Even if you want to expose the whole operation, your job simply forbids by its nature to come and tell the truth, you can't bite the illicit hand that pays you to not only make slots but spread a certain vision and info on the forums. How many slot producers are there on this or other forums telling how the things work? None. You've been sent with this mission to propagate fabricated views about how slots work, the perpetual randomness and how great is the industry. And I fully understand. It's all about the money.

This entire post is so far from reality. You're entitled to your opinion if course, but its quite wrong.

Whatever you may think of my reasons for being here, you dont really have any proof of what they are other than your own skepticism - that's fine by the way. Being sceptical is a good thing!

 

[trancemonkey]

I also have to mention some of the other comments @@@ made...

1. No one is going to scrap a game because of a fault. Games cost a lot of money to make, and the idea that they can just easily be written off is nonsensical.

2. I have no proof if Raging Rhino of DOA were changed. I very much doubt they were, and conversations I have had with people at those companies suggests the maths was not changed.

3. I would think it's obvious to anyone gambling anywhere that losing spins are more prevalent than winning ones. This is pure common sense.

4. The idea that you have more losing spins as you stake up is also untrue. Most games use linear maths for all bets (I.e stake is irrelevant). Yes there are some that may change maths by stake but these are in the minority, and I can also guarantee they will not make it worse as you increase stake. If you feel this, its nothing more than a feeling and has no basis in statistical reality. Remember, if you always play at 40c, and then you stake up after a win to 120c, you are seeing far less games at that stake than you see at your normal stake, and because of this fact, you feel it more. If I play 10,000 games at 40c and only 1000 at 120, it is easy to compare the two like for like whereas this would be statistically incorrect and misleading to do.

5. I have no personal agenda,or anything to gain from doing this. And if I am "trained" to spread this information, then by who? For what purpose? Enough people on here have met me, so I must be a bloody good actor and very good at hiding the truth if what you say is true, because it is also hidden from me, my wife, my kids and everyone that knows me!

 

[cncas2123]

Starting to feel like I have just entered The Twilight Zone, don't you just love it when insiders like @@@ come onto the forum and enlighten us with their undoubted knowledge.......

 

[snorky510238]

So if games that have been around for a while are taken down/unavailable and come back as an updated version what has changed if it’s not the maths?

What you cannot help but notice with these threads is that players like myself who play games over and over suddenly notice a vast change in play but when we express these observations we are told we are seeing things that are not there.

The one thing that the vast majority of people saying that we are seeing things have in common is that they have a vested interest in online gaming.

The thing the people have in common who are saying games are tampered with is they don’t have a vested interest. Strange that isn’t it?

 

[trancemonkey]

So if games that have been around for a while are taken down/unavailable and come back as an updated version what has changed if it’s not the maths?

What you cannot help but notice with these threads is that players like myself who play games over and over suddenly notice a vast change in play but when we express these observations we are told we are seeing things that are not there.

The one thing that the vast majority of people saying that we are seeing things have in common is that they have a vested interest in online gaming.

The thing the people have in common who are saying games are tampered with is they don’t have a vested interest. Strange that isn’t it?

Well, many things...

They may have converted to HTML5 from Flash.

They may be fixing a fault (if there is a compliance issue, the game has to be taken down immediately until it is fixed.

The may be purely changing the maths, but quite why they would fix a game that is performing well, I don't know. But if this were the case, it wouldn't need to be taken down while it was being changed.

As I've said, I cannot say games have not had maths changed after release.

 

[Slottery]

I assume one what's asked are some real numbers from game history which could show some of these changes in gameplay. When these changes in some games after version update like from Flash to HTML5 or any possible point when that could have happened, could be shown in numbers more than feelings.

Then there could be some conversation around topic but as long only argument is one players feeling, maybe backed up that other player feels actually bit same when mentioned, there's not really much where to start.

I assume here are not many people in forum who have much vested interest in online gaming in that level that people would argue anything what's not true just because of their own interests. These big conspiracies are usually happening in very high level and known by very few as otherwise these big secrets would have been published long times ago.

Just always would like to rely more in facts than feelings, i hope someone could point these vast changes backed by some gameplay history or other facts to get conversation to next level where some facts could be compared and differences shown. It's just not that easy to agree that something is wrong/rigged if there's nothing backing up that statement but players feeling.

 

[@@@]

Trancemonkey, when you quit IGT I'm sure Evolution will take you with open arms. Question is are you allowed to quit after a certain level of insider knowledge? When you mention valuable assets like kids and family, totally uncalled, I can see why you are fearful, your whole post is fear inspired and you bring no arguments to the table. If a goverment can't bring down the mafia you can at most shred some light, you can't take them down. I'm not requesting that you call them out since its not worth but to at least reduce the amount of false info spread with ill intent.

As you can see your job becomes harder by the day with more and more people joining to behead this hydra, it's a hard pill for you to take when people with arguments undermines the system, your future isn't bright but you made your own bed. You wrote a wall of text in defense and fear bringing no proof, everything is hidden behind numbers and systems I get it, but at least point me to some palpable info not just words. Are you aware how many people are commiting suicide because of gambling, how many steal from companies to fund the vice, people that are being told slots and roulette are random and then they face the reality after everything is lost...the more you deposited the higher target you become. All you did is to say hey you're wrong here is how actually works, dismounting none of my arguments. You know I'm correct.

All you need to Do, beside bringing some evidence to support yourself, is to simply say the short and hard truth, the slots are not random and roulette is controlled, at least masked in a way or another and you will earn my and others eternal respect.

Edit to add that you've been funny trying to cover up the fact that slots are communicating info to the server like location balance etc. There you lost it pretty bad, players were not supposed to know that do they, you acted surprised also haha. Is the guy making the crucial error swimming with fishes as we speak?

 

[snorky510238]

They may be fixing a fault (if there is a compliance issue, the game has to be taken down immediately until it is fixed.

In this case where a game is found not to be complying there is to my knowledge no compensation for players who played it during that period.

I appreciate it would be extremely difficult to implement but they have in theory invested in goods that were faulty so to speak.

 

[Kroffe]

In this case where a game is found not to be complying there is to my knowledge no compensation for players who played it during that period.

I appreciate it would be extremely difficult to implement but they have in theory invested in goods that were faulty so to speak.

That part actually is a bit bs.
If you bought someone and that thing turned out to be faulty, you would get money back.

Really, all bets made during a period where a slot is not functioning properly should 100% be paid back.
Almost weird that is not the case already.

 

[slotter999]

In this case where a game is found not to be complying there is to my knowledge no compensation for players who played it during that period.

I appreciate it would be extremely difficult to implement but they have in theory invested in goods that were faulty so to speak.

I've replied to this previously but in cases where machines have been faulty and under paying - customers have been compensated. Search for blood suckers bug as an example.

It works both ways I might add - where machines have been over paying there have been instances where casinos have tried to reclaim those winnings. There is a nextgen game where someone on this forum won considerable amounts of money from a bug and the casino tried to get heavy.

There are also instances where over paying slots the casinos have just taken the hit. The Microgaming batman game and the netent robot jackpot game are two examples.

I really should do a better job of remembering the names of these games

 

[snorky510238]

That part actually is a bit bs.
If you bought someone and that thing turned out to be faulty, you would get money back.

Really, all bets made during a period where a slot is not functioning properly should 100% be paid back.
Almost weird that is not the case already.

I admit it would be very difficult to implement due to many things such as when did the game start underperforming, why and many other things. You would also just have to trust what you were told as you would never get to see any data etc.

This almost says well it’s okay for games not to comply as long as they get fixed. Making us the Guinea Pigs that pay for it.

 

[trancemonkey]

In this case where a game is found not to be complying there is to my knowledge no compensation for players who played it during that period.

I appreciate it would be extremely difficult to implement but they have in theory invested in goods that were faulty so to speak.

Actually, I have been part of a couple of situations... both times had compliance issues. In one, we could work out exactly what people should have won when they didn't, and the casinos reimbursed those players (paid for by my company at the time). The second time we couldn't work it out easily at all, so we made a donation to the value of the what we believed the underpayment was a gambling charity.

So this should, and does, happen.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Well, many things...

They may have converted to HTML5 from Flash.

Lmao. I work in WEB for a good 10 years. My breakfast is a bowl of HTML5, CSS3 and a good portion of healthy PHP coding along with it, having my own 15+ managed servers by a team of 2 somewhere in the netherlands. I think i host along the almost 3 grand of websites here.

A game changed due to conversion from Flash (since it's being abandoned bigtime by browsers, but you can still run it) to HTML5 is really nothing. And it does'nt require any of the game math to be changed while your at it. All the calculations eventually takes place onto the server, and not client. Client can only press buttons and that's about it. You dont need to change any of the math for this to port.

I'm sorry but that argument is a bad one. I think my theory is this. A game provider offers a bunch of games. And per game every avg wagering is being tossed in one big pile and random/evenly distributed.

Some games are new and in order to give it that attention about big pays RTP may be moved over from game to game, where one game today is hot and is performing like shit tomorrow. Some games are altered and will never perform as they did before, Its with a reason.

I've seen games being changed where you normally could tap the space to stop the rheels instant, to now sit it out per spin. But the payback it before had was never there again. Another game, Pirates something, which had 2 features and a max bet of up to 50 per spin. They changed it back to a 4 euro per spin max bet since the 2nd feature (with the money bags) got exploited.

The game runs again like complete shit, wasted over 300 spins to never come close to even a 50x bet.



It's always funny that threads like these halfway completely go offtopic. Nobody doing any work or posting otherwise at least some facts and that are not just within the UK. The reason why i got here was proberly due to the authority it has over gambling, but at the end of the day even this website is filled with affiliate marketing as well. Give the peasants bread and water...

Actually, I have been part of a couple of situations... both times had compliance issues. In one, we could work out exactly what people should have won when they didn't, and the casinos reimbursed those players (paid for by my company at the time). The second time we couldn't work it out easily at all, so we made a donation to the value of the what we believed the underpayment was a gambling charity.

So this should, and does, happen.

Lol. I never heard a casino writing me or others like Hey dude, you've bin playing this game and that game, we're sorry but because of a technical malfunction on the base game, we're compensating you as a valued player. We're sorry for any effort. They dont give a shit lol. If the game was bricked they still hide behind their providers. Providers not going to compensate any of you.

 

[trancemonkey]

Lmao. I work in WEB for a good 10 years. My breakfast is a bowl of HTML5, CSS3 and a good portion of healthy PHP coding along with it, having my own 15+ managed servers by a team of 2 somewhere in the netherlands. I think i host along the almost 3 grand of websites here.

A game changed due to conversion from Flash (since it's being abandoned bigtime by browsers, but you can still run it) to HTML5 is really nothing. And it does'nt require any of the game math to be changed while your at it. All the calculations eventually takes place onto the server, and not client. Client can only press buttons and that's about it. You dont need to change any of the math for this to port.

I'm sorry but that argument is a bad one. I think my theory is this. A game provider offers a bunch of games. And per game every avg wagering is being tossed in one big pile and random/evenly distributed.

Some games are new and in order to give it that attention about big pays RTP may be moved over from game to game, where one game today is hot and is performing like shit tomorrow. Some games are altered and will never perform as they did before, Its with a reason.

I've seen games being changed where you normally could tap the space to stop the rheels instant, to now sit it out per spin. But the payback it before had was never there again. Another game, Pirates something, which had 2 features and a max bet of up to 50 per spin. They changed it back to a 4 euro per spin max bet since the 2nd feature (with the money bags) got exploited.

The game runs again like complete shit, wasted over 300 spins to never come close to even a 50x bet.



It's always funny that threads like these halfway completely go offtopic. Nobody doing any work or posting otherwise at least some facts and that are not just within the UK. The reason why i got here was proberly due to the authority it has over gambling, but at the end of the day even this website is filled with affiliate marketing as well. Give the peasants bread and water...

For someone as talented as you say you are, you don't know a single thing about casino game development.

Yes maths dont need to change.
Front end needs a complete rewrite though.
Therefore it's a new submission to compliance and a new version of the game.

I still say there is no reason whatsoever to change the maths on a successful game.

That does not mean they didn't... just that I can't think of why they would.

 

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I could hack up a checkerboard, that would spit out the results the casino or the game provider gives me. The rest around it ( like the actual game ) is just the fancy around it.

No i'm not into casino development, really i dont care much about it. I have my profession and thats where i stick to. I'm a frequent (high roller) player and i'm telling after years of playing that it's just not what it seems, and that games in a way do feel altered. If i take a bonus, it's wins all across the globe with every game up to a certain point, and it makes me lose from that point on. It's called Being Wagered in my opinion.

We know that games do send out details like if the player is on bonus money, we know that it sends out of you have a pending withdrawl or not. It's bin posted not so long ago on this forum(s). The typical dead spins untill you hit your next deposit. There's proberly alot more happening that we do not know about then just to 'trust' the casino that every spin is a random event.

It's funny that you say this. When you play book of ra deluxe (6), just put a bet, and hold spacebar, there's a noticable lag in between not winning and winning. Really try it out yourself. When you do get a win, it lands way quicker then when you dont have a win. I mean it's proberly in your eyes a bad way of programming, but i think more and more casino's moved from independent to a global TRTP and that's what i'm seeing when i play.

It's fun that i as a new player can hit up to 10k and withdrawl 8k in total of just a 100 deposit. And never win anything at that particular casino again. I withdrawl 65k at the other casino and everything is just a guaranteed loss no matter my gameplay. Trust me i've done some serious amount of hours into these strategics. I wont be wagering in particular more then i depositted. I'm talking about a monthspan. As i said i think my playersaccount is just flagged or i need to wager a serious amount before luck strides my way again.

You cant tell me that it's a natural thing, as other players experienced the very same on these and other forums. Casino's could have a thousand of depositting players and you dont tell me we all together experience this loss streak lol.

Landbased is just different. I win today, chances are great that if i come back next week i can reproduce the same again. It's the nature of the slot and which i'm more confident with then online. Play long enough and you'll know the average streak a machine does.

Oh and i'm sure, that landbased has their own trics too. But they dont go through all the (software) effort to make it look like it's as random as possible. They just buy machines, install these on the floor and go by a default configuration unless the RTP needs to be specified else. It's a common thing that the better paying machines are set to entrances or at least most visible in public. It's proven that when people see a machine paying or people winning they are triggered to play themself even more.

I've spoken alot of hours with a VIP manager on a casino floor. It was a very interesting time when i was a VIP back then. Apart from all the dinners and offerings i had, there's a structure in the way a landbased casino (and i'm talking about a proper one) is designed. Most proper casino's have machines of 85% up to 92% RTP and they dont really tell which obvious is the better paying machine.

Play long enough again, and you'll get a sense which is the more trigger happy machine then the other(s).