Providers moving the goal posts

[@@@]

It's always funny that threads like these halfway completely go offtopic. Nobody doing any work or posting otherwise at least some facts and that are not just within the UK. The reason why i got here was proberly due to the authority it has over gambling, but at the end of the day even this website is filled with affiliate marketing as well. Give the peasants bread and water...



Lol. I never heard a casino writing me or others like Hey dude, you've bin playing this game and that game, we're sorry but because of a technical malfunction on the base game, we're compensating you as a valued player. We're sorry for any effort. They dont give a shit lol. If the game was bricked they still hide behind their providers. Providers not going to compensate any of you.

Hahaha but it's common occurrence to be contacted by the casinos telling you that the game wasn't worked as expected refunding your losses in full. Even more, providers steppjng in refunding from their own pocket? God forbid. For those that weren't born yesterday, they know that casinos are allergic to refund any money even when they are obliged to do so by ADRs, the system set to gain is disrupted only by the odd withdrawal, anything else is fodder for the naive.

I rest my case and quit this shady affiliate forum, the corruption and evidence of malice in online is too high, I will return to real casino play with the monthly allowance to BTG to kill my time. Notice where Quit Gambling is located on this ethically challenged forum, you have to scroll and read a lot of useless sections to find it and when you do you realise that the incidence of quitting is small, the usual suspects are maintaining the mantra that the slots are random keeping you in for a long ride. Then comes people employed to maintain an appearance of integrity to a proven fraudulent system. Have fun trying to fool the small fishes, when all this will blow out enjoy eating from food banks as most of you paid to disseminate bullshit will end up in hunger.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Oh dude i agree with you. I'm pretty sure the captains aboard of the ship has to keep a certain positive vibe all across the place, and that gambling and the occurences are as natural as possible, right? And that you as a player have nothing to worry about if your on a constant losing streak.

I find it funny that when i access any game or slot by using my casino pretty much all my userdata is send along in a hidden, Base64 encoded URL. Like the provider obviously could not log me in who i am as a player and on what avg i spend onto their game(s). Or what my breaking point is. Or on how to trigger to tilt me even more on the long run.

That big data is a dangerous thing.

 

[goatwack]

Love it. Bloatgoat and @@@ have become the Batman & Robin of this thread

 

[Guntis]

Hi Transmonkey! Can you give your opinion plz, for what reason, a game gets disconnected from a server when there is a high chance that a slot will pay out a big win?

Time after time I come across with such events and the last one was yesterday during the bonus round on 300 Shields.

I collected all 12 shields, and just before the round with the 300x multiplier, the game got disconnected.

Does it need some extra time to set up/prepare an amount of win for the bonus?

Also, I can note that when the game was running under the NYX brand everything was always fine. Since NYX started to work under Scientific Games, I have a feeling that there were changes made to this slot performance and to say exactly - it's regarding a frequency of big wins.

 

[pinnit2014]

Love it. Bloatgoat and @@@ have become the Batman & Robin of this thread

Love it. Bloatgoat and @@@ have become the Batman & Robin of this thread

Which one's which?

 

[trancemonkey]

I may be able to explain why land based feels better than online...

I think that even though online runs at 96% or above mostly, a lot of games have a lot of money tied up in some very high wins. Land based dont have anywhere near as much.

This means that even though the RTP is higher in casinos, you need to play for a very long time to get anywhere near it.

Land based games tend to be less volatile so although the RTP is lower, you are seeing much more of it much faster.

 

[trancemonkey]

Hi Transmonkey! Can you give your opinion plz, for what reason, a game gets disconnected from a server when there is a high chance that a slot will pay out a big win?

Time after time I come across with such events and the last one was yesterday during the bonus round on 300 Shields.

I collected all 12 shields, and just before the round with the 300x multiplier, the game got disconnected.

Does it need some extra time to set up/prepare an amount of win for the bonus?

Also, I can note that when the game was running under the NYX brand everything was always fine. Since NYX started to work under Scientific Games, I have a feeling that there were changes made to this slot performance and to say exactly - it's regarding a frequency of big wins.

Nope, I have no answer for that. If it is true, then that would be an interesting feature / bug. It would need to be proven statistically that it is more likely to happen when getting a big win - if it were, it would be interesting to know why

 

[Matti]

Hahaha but it's common occurrence to be contacted by the casinos telling you that the game wasn't worked as expected refunding your losses in full. Even more, providers steppjng in refunding from their own pocket? God forbid. For those that weren't born yesterday, they know that casinos are allergic to refund any money even when they are obliged to do so by ADRs, the system set to gain is disrupted only by the odd withdrawal, anything else is fodder for the naive.

I rest my case and quit this shady affiliate forum, the corruption and evidence of malice in online is too high, I will return to real casino play with the monthly allowance to BTG to kill my time. Notice where Quit Gambling is located on this ethically challenged forum, you have to scroll and read a lot of useless sections to find it and when you do you realise that the incidence of quitting is small, the usual suspects are maintaining the mantra that the slots are random keeping you in for a long ride. Then comes people employed to maintain an appearance of integrity to a proven fraudulent system. Have fun trying to fool the small fishes, when all this will blow out enjoy eating from food banks as most of you paid to disseminate bullshit will end up in hunger.

Hallelujah. You will not be missed.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Land based games tend to be less volatile so although the RTP is lower, you are seeing much more of it much faster.

Yes and is'nt that the whole point that because of the HV people are being send into gambling-oblivion? And that it has a very unfair advantage for the majority of players this way?

I mean if i make 2500 out of 500 i'm happy for the day. But with online i can pump what i want and still lose. Hidden under a HV excuse, casinos online should know better.

Land based games tend to be less volatile so although the RTP is lower, you are seeing much more of it much faster.

Yes and is'nt that the whole point that because of the HV people are being send into gambling-oblivion? And that it has a very unfair advantage for the majority of players this way?

I mean if i make 2500 out of 500 i'm happy for the day. But with online i can pump what i want and still lose. Hidden under a HV excuse, casinos online should know better.

Nope, I have no answer for that. If it is true, then that would be an interesting feature / bug. It would need to be proven statistically that it is more likely to happen when getting a big win - if it were, it would be interesting to know why

I find it very odd to be honest. If you know and you can feel it that the game is about to pay, how the fuck can it disconnect or throw you out with an error even before the spin has begun, and leave you with a complete dead streak from that point on.

 

[trancemonkey]

Yes and is'nt that the whole point that because of the HV people are being send into gambling-oblivion? And that it has a very unfair advantage for the majority of players this way?

I mean if i make 2500 out of 500 i'm happy for the day. But with online i can pump what i want and still lose. Hidden under a HV excuse, casinos online should know better.

But games providers only make more of what is successful, and HV games are currently in the majority of successes. It may not last, but it's just markets forces.

No one is forcing players to play HV and there are many many options around.

 

[goatwack]

"I rest my case and quit this shady affiliate forum"

That's just not right!

It's not an affiliate forum

 

[Bloatgoat]

But games providers only make more of what is successful, and HV games are currently in the majority of successes. It may not last, but it's just markets forces.

I doubt if HV is a succesfull thing or not. There's a huge amount of more and more gambling addicts who threw pretty much everything they had onto a "HV" game. And i dont think that more and more players are being hooked to new games now is called success either.

Thing is: i can keep you hooked in a game on which you are losing bigtime on, and still show to you you had a RTP of 96%. Keep returning small wins long enough and over that particular session the game provider was "right", lol.

 

[trancemonkey]

I doubt if HV is a succesfull thing or not. There's a huge amount of more and more gambling addicts who threw pretty much everything they had onto a "HV" game. And i dont think that more and more players are being hooked to new games now is called success either.

Thing is: i can keep you hooked in a game on which you are losing bigtime on, and still show to you you had a RTP of 96%. Keep returning small wins long enough and over that particular session the game provider was "right", lol.

I see the games rankings so I know what games are doing well and what are not..

What do you see that is more evidence than what I am privy to?

 

[Bloatgoat]

Nah man,

You know what i would like? A casino giving me a tour inside their Online Venue from A to Z, to at least convince me that the business is a legitimate one, and that they really do not have any control over what a provider gives or not gives out technically.

Accounts can be flagged. Userdata like Pending withdrawl (lol) could be send along to a provider. What more is there that casino's know about us and use in their benefit? Show me and i'll be a convinced man here.

 

[trancemonkey]

"I rest my case and quit this shady affiliate forum"

That's just not right!

It's not an affiliate forum

They signed up to rant and rage quit...

 

[trancemonkey]

Nah man,

You know what i would like? A casino giving me a tour inside their Online Venue from A to Z, to at least convince me that the business is a legitimate one, and that they really do not have any control over what a provider gives or not gives out technically.

Accounts can be flagged. Userdata like Pending withdrawl (lol) could be send along to a provider. What more is there that casino's know about us and use in their benefit? Show me and i'll be a convinced man here.

So let's just say that company A recieves data that you have a pending withdrawal... what is it supposed to do with this data? Tighten their own game? How does that benefit them if the money was won on a game by company B.

And the opposite is even more ridiculous... I lose loads of money on a game by Comapny A and now Company B game must pay out loads of money to "balance" things?

So competitors work together to rig what is already in their benefit. I have no idea how many times you repeat the same mantra, but you are wrong every time.

Answer me this...

Is SG (I'm picking them as an example as they have licences in many jurisdictions) were caught rigging games online, they would be out of business overnight. Nevada would remove their licence as would just about every other regulator. So why would SG do this, and risk the entire company, given that random games do EXACTLY the same thing and return EXACTLY the same amount of revenue?

Just answer this one question please

 

[Bloatgoat]

How does it benefit at all, sending data to a provider if a player has a pending withdrawl or not, lol. Like, WHY. If results to be random and anyone could in a way keep on winning, why is that data in the first place mandatory?

Is it for tracking? That players who have a pending withdrawl is just curious for the casino to know and that they continue to play on with lesser money? Or maybe the casino runs a different form of RTP where the avg player deposits are randomly distributed with a 97% model and they dislike having players doing withdrawls?

I'm not really sure again why they would send all sensitive user information out. We out to be random spinning and not by posting username into a URL to a game provider, dont we?

 

[Halvor]

How does it benefit at all, sending data to a provider if a player has a pending withdrawl or not, lol. Like, WHY. If results to be random and anyone could in a way keep on winning, why is that data in the first place mandatory?

It don't, hence why they do not send this data

 

[slotter999]

I may be able to explain why land based feels better than online...

I think that even though online runs at 96% or above mostly, a lot of games have a lot of money tied up in some very high wins. Land based dont have anywhere near as much.

This means that even though the RTP is higher in casinos, you need to play for a very long time to get anywhere near it.

Land based games tend to be less volatile so although the RTP is lower, you are seeing much more of it much faster.

I've just come back from a place where where the land based slots are 96% and controlled by the state.

That was suuuuuch a different experience and actually quite enjoyable.

I know for a fact that the land based slots that bloater constantly talks about are seriously tight....maybe 90% if you're lucky. And they are money gobblers. Anyone claiming to consistently win at those RTPs is plain outright lying in my humble opinion.

 

[Bloatgoat]

There was a posting here on this forums not so long time ago, where some guy noted alot of additional information was send when accessing a game. Pending Withdrawl was one of these queries.

"Seriously tight" ... Lmao. Ok. I'll just keep my opinion in front of me.

 

[trancemonkey]

There was a posting here on this forums not so long time ago, where some guy noted alot of additional information was send when accessing a game. Pending Withdrawl was one of these queries.

I know... but that is the casino URL not the data passed to the game.

But even if it WAS passed to the game, you haven't answered the questions I asked. I guess this is simply because you can't

 

[trancemonkey]

How does it benefit at all, sending data to a provider if a player has a pending withdrawl or not, lol. Like, WHY. If results to be random and anyone could in a way keep on winning, why is that data in the first place mandatory?

Is it for tracking? That players who have a pending withdrawl is just curious for the casino to know and that they continue to play on with lesser money? Or maybe the casino runs a different form of RTP where the avg player deposits are randomly distributed with a 97% model and they dislike having players doing withdrawls?

I'm not really sure again why they would send all sensitive user information out. We out to be random spinning and not by posting username into a URL to a game provider, dont we?

What the casino uses in its URLs for it's own benefit has nothing whatsoever to do with the data that is passed to the game provider.

All someone showed was that some (agreeably odd) data was in the casinos URL. No one, at all, showered this data was passed to, or used by, the games provider. People have just assumed it is without giving single sensible reason as to why.

So again, please answer the questions I asked.

 

[Halvor]

There was a posting here on this forums not so long time ago, where some guy noted alot of additional information was send when accessing a game. Pending Withdrawl was one of these queries.

"Seriously tight" ... Lmao. Ok. I'll just keep my opinion in front of me.

As the IT Wiz you are, surely you understand just because a request for information it sent does not necessarily mean it's given.

 

[Bloatgoat]

As the IT Wiz you are, surely you understand just because a request for information it sent does not mean it's given.

You can do a few ways to make a POST yes. The most clean one is simply in providing a URL your visiting. I.e /someurl.php?name=clientname?currency=euro?lang=something?pendingwithdrawl=1?somethingelse=2? ...

I think they are doing that by URL anyway since all traffic is over port 80. There's no special requirement to play on a casino online except for having port 80 available.

Most data is gathered dynamicly. I have a few websites that work for example with a payment gateway. Once a client made a payment the API sends back a "call" by URL with the session ID and with a valid "1" as in payment is bin succesfull. That way my server/website knows everything went OK and the payment carries the status OK.

So yeah. It's really not so difficult. I've started my carreer once cracking down on adult related websites and sell 5 logins for the price of 10$. It was a very experimental and learning stage for me back then. And made a shitload with something where i would sell a membership for like 1/3rd of the price

Back then webservers where so badly configured that i was able to inject my own user/pass combination onto a membersection.

 

[Halvor]

You can do a few ways to make a POST yes. The most clean one is simply in providing a URL your visiting. I.e /someurl.php?name=clientname?currency=euro?lang=something?pendingwithdrawl=1?somethingelse=2? ...

The casino can collect whatever data they want from their own back office, exactly how is this transferred to the provider?

 

[Bloatgoat]

By opening a game. Here's the URL sendout when i am logged in and opening any random game. It contains a hidden Base64 URL. When i decode that it kind of reveal information of player, my username, Casino ID and some more.

I'm pretty sure that this info could be found to different casino's as well. I think more hidden and not in a public URL. I have'nt bin through this with a packet sniffer to see what kind of data is exactly being shared among the casino and me.

I am not suspicious to the above, but i am suspicous in what is between the provider and casino sort of speak. There are too (uncommon) rare instances that we could not verify of why it's happening.

 

[dunover]

Hahaha but it's common occurrence to be contacted by the casinos telling you that the game wasn't worked as expected refunding your losses in full. Even more, providers steppjng in refunding from their own pocket? God forbid. For those that weren't born yesterday, they know that casinos are allergic to refund any money even when they are obliged to do so by ADRs, the system set to gain is disrupted only by the odd withdrawal, anything else is fodder for the naive.

I rest my case and quit this shady affiliate forum, the corruption and evidence of malice in online is too high, I will return to real casino play with the monthly allowance to BTG to kill my time. Notice where Quit Gambling is located on this ethically challenged forum, you have to scroll and read a lot of useless sections to find it and when you do you realise that the incidence of quitting is small, the usual suspects are maintaining the mantra that the slots are random keeping you in for a long ride. Then comes people employed to maintain an appearance of integrity to a proven fraudulent system. Have fun trying to fool the small fishes, when all this will blow out enjoy eating from food banks as most of you paid to disseminate bullshit will end up in hunger.

Ethically challenged? Have you not Googled to see how many scam sites, practices and fraudsters have been exposed on here in the past? Monies recovered by Max on behalf of players? A tiny minority of members here are affiliates, and they have their own forum for 'affiliate issues', which you obviously didn't notice while scrolling down to the 'Quit Gambling' forum.

Yep, I get it, you are a bitter and disillusioned man, not the first and won't be the last either. As part of this giant conspiracy, I have to tell you the slots are random, but in most cases players' behaviour isn't. They play until bust, over and over, win or lose. They choose not to withdraw when they can, not to set spending limits and afterwards will never accept they were in control all the time, but failed to exercise control over their actions.

Then the blame game starts - it's the slots, the RTP, the developers, the casinos, the affiliates. You then transpose your anger and cynicism borne of your behaviour onto those people, wishing them some kind of bad karma. Like I said, we've seen it all before.

If you want to quit the forum, you can do this yourself or I (as one 'paid to disseminate bullshit on this shady forum') can help you along.

 

[goatwack]

".......he said, finishing with a smiley"

 

[Guntis]

".......he said, finishing with a smiley"

That's because Bonanza lately was generous to him!

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[Bloatgoat]

Ethically challenged? Have you not Googled to see how many scam sites, practices and fraudsters have been exposed on here in the past? Monies recovered by Max on behalf of players? A tiny minority of members here are affiliates, and they have their own forum for 'affiliate issues', which you obviously didn't notice while scrolling down to the 'Quit Gambling' forum.

Yep, I get it, you are a bitter and disillusioned man, not the first and won't be the last either. As part of this giant conspiracy, I have to tell you the slots are random, but in most cases players' behaviour isn't. They play until bust, over and over, win or lose. They choose not to withdraw when they can, not to set spending limits and afterwards will never accept they were in control all the time, but failed to exercise control over their actions.

Then the blame game starts - it's the slots, the RTP, the developers, the casinos, the affiliates. You then transpose your anger and cynicism borne of your behaviour onto those people, wishing them some kind of bad karma. Like I said, we've seen it all before.

If you want to quit the forum, you can do this yourself or I (as one 'paid to disseminate bullshit on this shady forum') can help you along.

You sir, got a valid point here, but, i disagree that once people start losing they look for conspiracy or some shit. We have a right to question things in the first place, and i personally would be excited to see a online casino inside out, and what exactly is done and how things operate. Perhaps then i could say with a clear mind like Okay maybe i was wrong on a bit here and there, and that i would admit any of my mistakes i made in my thinking about the online industry.

But it's not. We're thrown just that little and what happens behind the doors is a mystery for 95% here of us. Only those who own and operate a casino can answer these questions. I'll summerize them for you:

- Playing with bonus money gives 'more action' and winnings within the bonus terms (wagering) then playing with real money. Why is that?

- When i would be repeatingly losing in like 5 slots right after eachother, the typical spiral downwards, and after i made a deposit again things start to be alive again. Up to a certain point, to finally hit the spiral downward.

- Casino's obviously know the weak points of the majority of players. Why put up a setting to cancel a pending withdrawl and have the player play more then he / she can really do?

- Slot A on casino A does'nt do jack shit. Goto Slot A on casino B and there's a big party going on. Why is this variety among different casino's so much? Or is it because casino A does'nt bring that much of players compared to casino B for a certain or specific game?

I can pretty much go on about these things but you'll get the point.

 

[snorky510238]

There are some things that happen that you cannot ignore or put down to chance that is for certain.

I could relay many unbelievable scenarios. Here is one of them that happened when I logged into a well known Casino a couple of weeks ago. I had dropped my deposits right down at this particular Casino. On logging in I was greeted with you have 1 free spin on the game Dracula at 10p. A game that is pretty damn hard to bonus.

Amazingly (cough splutter) my 1 free spin resulted in a bonus. Here is the result.

The chances of hitting x250 off 1 spin tells me things can be adjusted to suit.

 

[Bloatgoat]

They could have given you the 25 euro into your account easily, but that would kind of ruin the suprise woud'nt it? I never play for bonus games or deposit in exchange for free spins. It's retarded and you'll never get a 'good hit' out of the lowest bet.

 

[cncas2123]

There are some things that happen that you cannot ignore or put down to chance that is for certain.

I could relay many unbelievable scenarios. Here is one of them that happened when I logged into a well known Casino a couple of weeks ago. I had dropped my deposits right down at this particular Casino. On logging in I was greeted with you have 1 free spin on the game Dracula at 10p. A game that is pretty damn hard to bonus.

Amazingly (cough splutter) my 1 free spin resulted in a bonus. Here is the result.
View attachment 118283

The chances of hitting x250 off 1 spin tells me things can be adjusted to suit.

But is this not just a sign of how random works? Your 1 spin could have paid nothing, but on this occasion it gave the bonus, so it acted in a random way. Remember random means that each and every spin has the chance of winning or losing and the above screenshot proves it.

 

[dunover]

There are some things that happen that you cannot ignore or put down to chance that is for certain.

I could relay many unbelievable scenarios. Here is one of them that happened when I logged into a well known Casino a couple of weeks ago. I had dropped my deposits right down at this particular Casino. On logging in I was greeted with you have 1 free spin on the game Dracula at 10p. A game that is pretty damn hard to bonus.

Amazingly (cough splutter) my 1 free spin resulted in a bonus. Here is the result.
View attachment 118283

The chances of hitting x250 off 1 spin tells me things can be adjusted to suit.

Yes, so having given that offer to hundreds of players, you'd expect on average several of them to get the feature. You got lucky. Compare that with numerous 1.00 5x spins I've been given at Casumo on Quickspin slots of which most gave 5 dead spins, or twice on Bonanza 5x 1.00 spins of which on both occasions only 1 gave me a micro-win. Yet some other lucky sod will get his 5x Bonanza spins and land a 5-scatter trigger.

 

[dunover]

They could have given you the 25 euro into your account easily, but that would kind of ruin the suprise woud'nt it? I never play for bonus games or deposit in exchange for free spins. It's retarded and you'll never get a 'good hit' out of the lowest bet.

You seriously suggesting this was a 'set up' for the player? The casino couldn't choose a particular RNG outcome for the player even if they wanted to.

 

[Jono777]

But is this not just a sign of how random works? Your 1 spin could have paid nothing, but on this occasion it gave the bonus, so it acted in a random way. Remember random means that each and every spin has the chance of winning or losing and the above screenshot proves it.

But how come 'random' never seems to work in our favour at casinos we are loyal to, despite gazillions of FS or dare I say it 'rewards'

Been a while since I had a nice bit o tin foiling so I'll retire to bed with this one. Over the years (decade plus some more ) - Anything wager free spins wise has 99.99% been shit, amazing when there is 35x+ WR tied to it, I get the best feature I have ever seen and re-triggers like hot dinners

Read time and again FS have 'legally' to be the same as cash play but c'mon, please...............

Once, twice, heck even ten times, fine, down to luck, however every time

 

[Jono777]

You seriously suggesting this was a 'set up' for the player? The casino couldn't choose a particular RNG outcome for the player even if they wanted to.

Agreed, but the providers don't help themselves with things like guaranteed feature enter (was it Quickspin who started this?), bonus buys and other related 'forces'

 

[goatwack]

I don't know about the ins and outs of rigged slots behaviour. I'm just glad Jon's back on The Dark Side

 

[Jono777]

I don't know about the ins and outs of rigged slots behaviour. I'm just glad Jon's back on The Dark Side

For now, must recall, I post a lot of nonsense when its way past my bed time lol

 

[goatwack]

For now, must recall, I post a lot of nonsense when its way past my bed time lol

Tiredness brings out the best in us

 

[trancemonkey]

By opening a game. Here's the URL sendout when i am logged in and opening any random game. It contains a hidden Base64 URL. When i decode that it kind of reveal information of player, my username, Casino ID and some more.

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I'm pretty sure that this info could be found to different casino's as well. I think more hidden and not in a public URL. I have'nt bin through this with a packet sniffer to see what kind of data is exactly being shared among the casino and me.

I am not suspicious to the above, but i am suspicous in what is between the provider and casino sort of speak. There are too (uncommon) rare instances that we could not verify of why it's happening.

So why wont you answer either of my questions, the answers to which should give us an insight into your way of thinking? The fact you wont answer proves to me (and probably others reading) that you actually really have any valid reasons to peddle the lies you are telling...

 

[trancemonkey]

There are some things that happen that you cannot ignore or put down to chance that is for certain.

I could relay many unbelievable scenarios. Here is one of them that happened when I logged into a well known Casino a couple of weeks ago. I had dropped my deposits right down at this particular Casino. On logging in I was greeted with you have 1 free spin on the game Dracula at 10p. A game that is pretty damn hard to bonus.

Amazingly (cough splutter) my 1 free spin resulted in a bonus. Here is the result.
View attachment 118283

The chances of hitting x250 off 1 spin tells me things can be adjusted to suit.

Why does it? Why can't that be random and luck...

 

[dunover]

But how come 'random' never seems to work in our favour at casinos we are loyal to, despite gazillions of FS or dare I say it 'rewards'

Been a while since I had a nice bit o tin foiling so I'll retire to bed with this one. Over the years (decade plus some more ) - Anything wager free spins wise has 99.99% been shit, amazing when there is 35x+ WR tied to it, I get the best feature I have ever seen and re-triggers like hot dinners

Read time and again FS have 'legally' to be the same as cash play but c'mon, please...............

Once, twice, heck even ten times, fine, down to luck, however every time

You've actually got a point there, but only where RTG casinos are concerned. The few I ever played at DID use different RTP models for free spins, bonuses and real cash play. It was simply impossible to not notice it. I was getting the 97% model for the free chip and the 91% for the real-money deposit. Put it this way, play say Cleopatra online then at a land-based and you'll notice the difference immediately - this was the same.

 

[Guntis]

But is this not just a sign of how random works? Your 1 spin could have paid nothing, but on this occasion it gave the bonus, so it acted in a random way. Remember random means that each and every spin has the chance of winning or losing and the above screenshot proves it.

But is this not just a sign of how "rigged works"? Your 1 spin could have paid nothing, but on this occasion, it gave the bonus, so it acted in a "rigged" way. Remember "rigged" means that each and every spin has the chance of winning or losing and the above screenshot proves it.

P.S Don't take it close to your hearth!

 

[Kroffe]

Agreed, but the providers don't help themselves with things like guaranteed feature enter (was it Quickspin who started this?), bonus buys and other related 'forces'

But wasnt those spins "spin until you get a feature" freespins?
I remember i got those at betsafe ages ago, and im pretty sure it was setup so that i had infinite spins, until i hit a feature.

 

[paul7388]

There are some things that happen that you cannot ignore or put down to chance that is for certain.

I could relay many unbelievable scenarios. Here is one of them that happened when I logged into a well known Casino a couple of weeks ago. I had dropped my deposits right down at this particular Casino. On logging in I was greeted with you have 1 free spin on the game Dracula at 10p. A game that is pretty damn hard to bonus.

Amazingly (cough splutter) my 1 free spin resulted in a bonus. Here is the result.
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The chances of hitting x250 off 1 spin tells me things can be adjusted to suit.

I can see why you are surprised.

To be fair tho there have been several posts on here where players have hit a decent win on 1 free spin given to them and several were at WH,

I have had several wins from the 1 free spin or 5 free spins before.

A while back I got a 6000x win on Fruit Blox from the one spin at WH that i got that wasn't even going to play that had no WR.

And the fact i regularly play at WH and withdraw means there was no need to give me a winning spin. I would believe it was Random and just lucky i played it when i did.

 

[goatwack]

There are some things that happen that you cannot ignore or put down to chance that is for certain.

I could relay many unbelievable scenarios. Here is one of them that happened when I logged into a well known Casino a couple of weeks ago. I had dropped my deposits right down at this particular Casino. On logging in I was greeted with you have 1 free spin on the game Dracula at 10p. A game that is pretty damn hard to bonus.

Amazingly (cough splutter) my 1 free spin resulted in a bonus. Here is the result.
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The chances of hitting x250 off 1 spin tells me things can be adjusted to suit.

One could be led to believe that this fortuitous '1-spin bonus' was almost a retention manoeuvre, in the vein of "Look how generous our slots are guy!!"

But I don't subscribe to such crazy theories

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[trancemonkey]

But is this not just a sign of how "rigged works"? Your 1 spin could have paid nothing, but on this occasion, it gave the bonus, so it acted in a "rigged" way. Remember "rigged" means that each and every spin has the chance of winning or losing and the above screenshot proves it.

P.S Don't take it close to your hearth!

It's so funny reading stuff like this... rigged would mean nothing like you say.

 

[trancemonkey]

Im done ladies and gents... this thread, and the lack of answers to simple questions, and the constant accusations backed up without a single thread of evidence or, even worse, common sense, goes to prove that there is little point in anyone giving the kind of insight I can. Everyone simply believes what they want to believe, and the rest is fake news. Therefore I'm on a posting break for a while... I wish you all the best!

@Reelsoffun, @Halvor - I'll leave it with you for a while!

 

[snorky510238]

The post of the Dracula hit isn’t an isolated incident by any means. Here is another on a slot I could never hit anything on. Until I bought a bonus round at V&J that came with wagering. Paid x800.