President Trump

[Laka88]

Let´s wait and see

I feel the world became just a little bit more dangerous place with Trump as the president.

 

[slotplayer]

 

[Harry_BKK]

Spreading more paranoia?

What point are you trying to make with an assortment of short crime stories that go back up to 15 years? More crimes happen in 1 week in Chicago alone, all committed by Americans, than the sum of those in the video.

As i mentioned already, call all Americans back home, lock the doors and throw the key into the ocean and you will be "super safe" ...... and no one else left to blame.

 

[slotplayer]

Spreading more paranoia?

What point are you trying to make with an assortment of short crime stories that go back up to 15 years? More crimes happen in 1 week in Chicago alone, all committed by Americans, than the sum of those in the video.

As i mentioned already, call all Americans back home, lock the doors and throw the key into the ocean and you will be "super safe" ...... and no one else left to blame.

I knew you'd jump on it, you're so predictable.

Chicago has been run by Liberals for the last 85 years.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I knew you'd jump on it, you're so predictable.

Chicago has been run by Liberals for the last 85 years.

You are the predictable one, I knew you are going to post this kind of stuff at some point. Typical American, paranoid, hysterical and blowing things out of context, we are used to it.

And yes, I am predictable to react the soon I see somebody posting stupid and false information or as you conveniently call it nowadays --> "alternative facts".

EDIT: does it matter who runs a city? The perpetrators are still American. Or do you think New York and others are much better than Chicago?

 

[Steviedoo]

I'm just wondering who will do all those jobs that illegal immigrants do. Jobs that pay nothing.

 

[slotplayer]

what is false about it?

 

[Alfran]

Since everyone has covered almost all the angles of Mr Trump, I'll just add my 2 cents.
I just have a problem with how he acted as a normal citizen versus how he changed his tune when we ran the race and presidency.
Its not about flip flopping, we all have changed our minds one time or another. But what i gathered is he was very much more Democratically inclined a decade or so ago,... then now sings a different tune on many cases now. Seems like he is learning on the job, and much of his decisions has to do with the party or what people want to hear, not what he genuinely feels. Example in point was the pro-life issue. You could see he was very uncomfortable when questioned about it during the campaign, just makes me think he was conflicted by his personal view and what the party stood for. As a business man he did many of the things he is trying to stop or change now. It might sound good on paper, but many of his economy and business policies now do not work for the best interest of the country in the long run. Also there were so many things and oppositions to him in his first few weeks , the protests, the personal attacks on his children and family, his cabinet picks.... but he obsessed with the crowd numbers and popularity.
Personally i had nothing against him as a business man or celebrity or even when he started tweeting his political views. I think he should have got active on the scene without actually running for the post. Anyway i hope for the best, for all of us, in the US and around the world.

Since he was in the casino business, anyone know if there is a trump slot? someone should make a new one anyway,.... what features would this slot have?

 

[sueyh]

If I were you, I would be more angry at someone who doesn't pay any tax than angry at someone who needs help.

 

[Cleveland]

Typical American, paranoid, hysterical and blowing things out of context, we are used to it.

This question is actually for everyone despite me quoting the above:

How many people does it take to make a country bad? How many does it take to make an ethnicity bad?

In the end illegal immigrants have made America great. In the end illegal immigrants have indeed hurt America. No more or less than we've done to ourselves. There's plenty of truth in each statement. If you can't see it, then you most certainly can't fix the problem. It's seriously disheartening reading the comments in this thread, especially before going to work. Can't even began to express how disheartening it is. Very hard to find much beauty in this world. Makes me wonder if I'm blind, as I can't see where I'm standing anymore. I'm tired.

 

[ternur]

This question is actually for everyone despite me quoting the above:

How many people does it take to make a country bad? How many does it take to make an ethnicity bad?

In the end illegal immigrants have made America great. In the end illegal immigrants have indeed hurt America. No more or less than we've done to ourselves. There's plenty of truth in each statement. If you can't see it, then you most certainly can't fix the problem. It's seriously disheartening reading the comments in this thread, especially before going to work. Can't even began to express how disheartening it is. Very hard to find much beauty in this world. Makes me wonder if I'm blind, as I can't see where I'm standing anymore. I'm tired.

I myself don't believe any country or ethnicity is inherently bad. I do believe some groups are blinded by their ideology though. And I especially find it alarming when these groups are making decisions that affect others all over the world.

There's always more than one side to every argument. It just amazes me when someone rationalizes their argument with something other than facts. <- This is just general statement, not targeted at anyone.

 

[Slotaholic]

Here in europe we can se alot of extreme right wing parties,almost every country has one and they all are a result of prolonged period of economial problems and the refugee crisis.
All are so called "Nationalist parties" but their roots are often something totally different.
And its the same in America, creating fear and spreading propaganda and hate is how it works.
Its easier to manipulate sacred people, that why the allways say thing like "make the country safe" and "stop terror attacks".
They never report domesic terror och violence because how can we be protected from that, cant deport citicens so lets just report thing done by "immigrants" because we know who they are.
Its the same thing in all countries so this isnt just Trump.
Its time to wake up and smell the bull****..or coffie, “Hate, it has caused a lot of problems in the world, but has not solved one yet.”

/SLotaholic

 

[slotplayer]

For every illegal that sneaks in and takes a low level job it denies those that are legally waiting in line for one of those jobs. That's the real injustice. America is a nation of laws, we want law abiding immigrants.

Table 1. Immigrant Waiting List By Country

Country Applicants
Mexico 1,323,978
Philippines 428,765
India 323,089

Full List Source:

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Its been a problem for long time.

 

[slotplayer]

If I were you, I would be more angry at someone who doesn't pay any tax than angry at someone who needs help.

Do you have any knowledge of who pays what taxes in America? Please tell me.

 

[ternur]

For every illegal that sneaks in and takes a low level job it denies those that are legally waiting in line for one of those jobs. That's the real injustice. America is a nation of laws, we want law abiding immigrants.

The problem is the current administration which doesn't value judicial review when it gets in the way of their purposes.

I'd hazard a guess that many of those low level jobs would not get done at all if you categorically take out the immigrant workers.

 

[slotplayer]

The problem is the current administration which doesn't value judicial review when it gets in the way of their purposes.

I'd hazard a guess that many of those low level jobs would not get done at all if you categorically take out the immigrant workers.

My guess is if those are the only jobs available to Americans they'd fill them. If the demand stayed the same and the supply of workers decreased the wages would go up.

 

[sueyh]

Do you have any knowledge of who pays what taxes in America? Please tell me.

I can tell you two things.

I know Trump didn't pay any tax.

I know all my friends who live in USA pay tax. One of my friend in USA works 3 jobs to make an ends meet and she pays tax. And guess what? The president of USA didn't pay any tax for more than ten years when he has millions of dollars to spend on all luxury things, and he is very proud of it and judging from all comments here, all Trump supporters are very proud of it.

Hmm...maybe next time when I talk to my friend who has 3 jobs, I should tell her "Learn from the president of your country." Why not telling all the USA citizen "Support Trump! Follow Trump's step! Don't pay tax!"

 

[slotplayer]

I can tell you two things.

I know Trump didn't pay any tax.

I know all my friends who live in USA pay tax. One of my friend in USA works 3 jobs to make an ends meet and she pays tax. And guess what? The president of USA didn't pay any tax for more than ten years when he has millions of dollars to spend on all luxury things, and he is very proud of it and judging from all comments here, all Trump supporters are very proud of it.

Hmm...maybe next time when I talk to my friend who has 3 jobs, I should tell her "Learn from the president of your country." Why not telling all the USA citizen "Support Trump! Follow Trump's step! Don't pay tax!"

The reason this bothers you is you see things as either socially or economically unjust.

Trump did not pay federal income tax.

Read about who pays the taxes.

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Maybe your friend needs to work 3 jobs because she has no marketable skills?

 

[sueyh]

Maybe your friend needs to work 3 jobs because she has no marketable skills?

Until this moment, I never thought Trump supporters as same as Trump, I don't like Trump but at least I have a respect for Trump supporter's opinion.

Not all trump supporters are same I guess, but at least you prove some of Trump Supporters are exactly like Trump. They don't hesitate to insult people, they look down people. "no marketable skills"? Really? That's what you are saying to someone who works really hard so she doesn't need to rely on government money so the money can go to else where to make people's life better? Wow...

Add one more thing...my friend who has so called no marketable skills pay tax, and some of the tax she pays went to CIA, FBI, military so they can protect USA. What did Trump do to protect USA before he became a president?

 

[slotplayer]

Until this moment, I never thought Trump supporters as same as Trump, I don't like Trump but at least I have a respect for Trump supporter's opinion.

Not all trump supporters are same I guess, but at least you prove some of Trump Supporters are exactly like Trump. They don't hesitate to insult people, they look down people. "no marketable skills"? Really? That's what you are saying to someone who works really hard so she doesn't need to rely on government money so the money can go to else where to make people's life better? Wow...

No, it's not meant to be cruel, inhumane or insulting, but it's just the hard reality in America these days. I know a dozen people in the same boat and I always encourage them to better themselves.

 

[sueyh]

No, it's not meant to be cruel, inhumane or insulting, but it's just the hard reality in America these days. I know a dozen people in the same boat and I always encourage them to better themselves.

You think she doesn't want to do better?
If she was lazy, she would stay home and ask government to pay everything. She wants to do better, but between 3 jobs when do you think she has time do something to make herself better? Even she doesn't have time to talk to me.

Why don't you ask the president to do right thing and pay tax he owes and, some of that money can go to my friend. If she is able to quit one of 3 jobs, she will have a time to do something to have so called "marketable skills".

 

[slotplayer]

You think she doesn't want to do better?
If she was lazy, she would stay home and ask government to pay everything. She wants to do better, but between 3 jobs when do you think she has time do something to make herself better? Even she doesn't have time to talk to me.

Why don't you ask the president to do right thing and pay tax he owes and, some of that money can go to my friend. If she is able to quit one of 3 jobs, she will have a time to do something to have so called "marketable skills".

I understand it.

she may get all her federal income tax withholdings back and even more if she has children.
there is the earned income credit
the child tax credit
standard deduction which everyone get even Trump

 

[Mouche12]

Here in europe we can se alot of extreme right wing parties,almost every country has one and they all are a result of prolonged period of economial problems and the refugee crisis.
All are so called "Nationalist parties" but their roots are often something totally different.
And its the same in America, creating fear and spreading propaganda and hate is how it works.
Its easier to manipulate sacred people, that why the allways say thing like "make the country safe" and "stop terror attacks".
They never report domesic terror och violence because how can we be protected from that, cant deport citicens so lets just report thing done by "immigrants" because we know who they are.
Its the same thing in all countries so this isnt just Trump.
Its time to wake up and smell the bull****..or coffie, “Hate, it has caused a lot of problems in the world, but has not solved one yet.”

/SLotaholic

Clear and critical thinking is essential. Who have caused this prolonged period of economical problems (i.e. banking or financial crisis), certainly not any immigrants! They never have and never will.

The influx of refugees in Germany (1% of its population) has not caused any problems to its people, other than the persistent narrative of bigots that the European world is collapsing under the onslaught of mass arrivals from cultures that European countries cannot possibly mingle with. These are myths and debunking them can be hard work.

Hatred and passions overtake rational approaches and documented facts get swept away. It is even harder when Europe’s long history of almost constant population movement and mixing of cultures is ignored, untaught or forgotten.

 

[lockinlove]

Did he tweet about the white supremacist that attacked the mosque in Canada last week? Or the children US troops killed in Yemen a few days ago?

Why would anybody even care what he tweets? The administation can't even get facts straight when they are prepared to say something (Bowling Green).

hahaha the blind hate for Trump and his agenda is pathetic.

What about the syrian refugee that sexually assaulted 6 Canadian kids the other day? Oh but we were told this wouldnt happen because they are vetted!!!

What about the Syrian refugee that sexually assaulted a Canadian female and his defence was "I didnt know the laws of Canada and that it was not okay to force myself onto them"

What about all the crimes committed in Germany by these dirt bags?

BLAME TRUMP!!! How dare he try and protect americans from these hate crimes

Oh right the odds are 3.6 billion to 1

Whats even more hilarious is you people who live thousands of miles away are ARGUING, patronizing and mocking us north americans and think you know everything. When in fact you all look ridiculous to us. Until you live here, your opinions hold zero water. Zero.

Anyways, I was going to stay out of this thread because it was going around in circles. Instead, since I see these people trying to tell us how things are, I think I will stick around and continue to discredit everything you folks say.

And btw you are in the minority. An overwhelming percentage want nothing to do with refugees in Finland.

 

[lockinlove]

So what you are saying is that getting told the truth drove Americans to vote for a liar, bigot and racist. Wow!

Wow a racist tries to hire a black man into his cabinet. Someone call Ben Carson and tell him hes a racist!!!!

Oh and Trump is the only president to lie eh? Obama will now be known as the only president to never lie

Or wait the 50 foreigners that hes hiring at the Mara Lago club where most workers will see a 1% raise increase in their pay aside from a small few who will see a small decrease

Or his wife who was an immigrant.

That Trump sure is a damn racist!!

1. Are you for real? Peacekeepers surely not, War makers YES

In the lat 50 years America decided to march into several countries without being attacked by them. They just declared war for no real reason.

Without America there wouldn't be a North Korea, no Khmer Rouge and millions of tortured and dead Cambodians, no millions of dead Vietnamese, no Bin Laden, no Taliban, no ISIS, no 10's of millions of displaced people and refugees..... shall i list more? Wherever you decided to march in, you left with the country/region in chaos and secondly never winning any of those wars.

If it were for America there would have been a huge army marching into the Ukraine ending probably in WWIII but the Europeans declined your offer because we like to have peace and solve problems without brute force. Yes, the conflict is still there but contained to a small part and a lot less people are dying because it did not end in a fully fledged war as America wanted it.

What are a few thousand American lives, although each single loss of life is deplorable, compared to the millions who died in those countries because of you deciding to go to war there?

Paid by American tax dollars - surely a part, however, the majority of the overall cost of your campaigns is carried by others.

Without America there wouldn't have been 10's of trillions $ wiped off in people savings in the last 10 years alone.

2. You are maybe on the surface but you are clearly not. E.g. 12% or appr. $ 2Trillion of your countries debt is held by the Chinese, if they decide to cash in all treasury bonds early America would be bankrupt overnight. But they leave you in that position or thinking that you are the most powerful because they are smart and know that they are making even more money with you as it is.

So when are you going to tell us what an American did to you to make them hate them this badly. All your anti american rants and comments are beyond ridiculous. And btw what you are doing is being a bigot. You know, the same thing you are accusing Trump of. But keep on painting an entire nation with the same brush.

You seem incredibly ill informed. Americans march into war for nothing?

Please list them in detail so I can respond to your outrageous and ridiculous claims.

South-Korea never asked for help, it was Truman's decision to step in to avoid having a communist neighbor on the mainland next to Japan because the Soviets had just successfully tested their first nuclear bomb.

Vietnam never asked for help as the South was a French colony when the initial Vietnam war broke out, the US decided to step in to avoid the country being taken over by the communist North. This was part of the US policy to stop the spread of communism.

Cambodia - never asked for help, yet the US started a huge B-52 blanket bombing over nearly half the country

Afghanistan - nobody asked the US troops to march in the first time they were there in the 80's to aid the Taliban in the fight against the Soviets, only to return in the 20th century to fight exactly those former allies.

All the above was initiated by the US out of fear that communism would spread throughout Asia and Middle East and at the same time to show strength in the cold war against Russia. Nothing else, nobody called for help, nor needed it...in contrary the presence of the US troops made the situation in those countries worse.

Iraq - well, no need to explain that. Marching in on the basis of a big lie that Saddam had arms of mass destruction.

....list not complete.


As for the US spending budget for foreign assistance, you are right: $34 billion or 0.2% of GNI

To put that in perspective of each country's GNI the highest spenders among the DAC countries, which the US is part of, are (2015): Sweden 1.1%, Luxembourg 1.1%, Norway 1%, Denmark 1%, UK 0.7%, Germany 0.45%

Hence, the US contributions are certainly not "chump change" but neither impressive.

lmao come on. Poor South Korea. Those pesky Americans just pushed their way in there. It is HISTORICAL fact that you can find even in the basic of history books that South Korea was looking for an american partnership. So please, please stop.

Even your Iraq comment is absolute ridiculous. Probably one of the most uninformed posts you have ever made to be honest.

Lets list what Saddam was saying about the USA.


The Gulf War, February 1991
"We will chase [Americans] to every corner at all times. No high tower of steel will protect them against the fire of truth."
Saddam Hussein, Baghdad Radio, February 8, 1991

"[America] will not be excluded from the operations and explosions of the Arab and Muslim mujahidin and all the honest strugglers in the world."
Iraq News Agency, January 30, 1991 (State-controlled)

"What remains for Bush and his accomplices in crime is to understand that they are personally responsible for their crime. The Iraqi people will pursue them for this crime, even if they leave office and disappear into oblivion. There is no doubt they will understand what we mean if they know what revenge means to the Arabs."
Baghdad Radio, February 6, 1991 (State-controlled)

"Every Iraqi child, woman, and old man knows how to take revenge...They will avenge the pure blood that has been shed no matter how long it takes.
Baghdad Domestic Service, February 15, 1991 (State-controlled)

Iraq Masses Troops Against Kuwait, October 1994
"Does [America] realize the meaning of every Iraqi becoming a missile that can cross to countries and cities?"
Saddam Hussein, September 29, 1994

"[W]hen peoples reach the verge of collective death, they will be able to spread death to all..."
Al-Jumhuriyah, October 4, 1994 (State-controlled newspaper)

"[O]ur striking arm will reach [America, Britain and Saudi Arabia] before they know what hit them."
Al-Qadisiyah, October 6, 1994 (State-controlled newspaper)

"One chemical weapon fired in a moment of despair could cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands." Al-Quds al-Arabi, October 12, 1994 (State-controlled newspaper)

Release of UNSCOM Report, April 10, 1995
"Although Iraq's options are limited, they exist...Iraq's present state is that of a wounded tiger. Its blow could be painful, even if it is the last blow..."
Al-Quds Al-'Arabi, June 9, 1995 (State-controlled newspaper)

Khobar Towers Bombing, June 25, 1996
"[The U.S.] should send more coffins to Saudi Arabia, because no one can guess what the future has in store."
Saddam Hussein, Iraqi Radio, June 27, 1996

Operation Desert Fox, December 1998
"If [other Arab nations] persist on pursuing their wrongful path, then we should — or rather we must — place the swords of jihad on their necks..."
Saddam Hussein, January 5, 1999

"Oh sons of Arabs and the Arab Gulf, rebel against the foreigner...Take revenge for your dignity, holy places, security, interests and exalted values."
Saddam Hussein, January 5, 1999


"[Saudi Arabian and Kuwaiti] blood will light torches, grow aromatic plants, and water the tree of freedom, resistance and victory."
Saddam Hussein, Iraqi Radio, January 26, 1999

"Whoever continues to be involved in a despicable aggressive war against the people of Iraq as a subservient party must realize that this aggressive act has a dear price."
Saddam Hussein, February 16, 1999

"What is required now is to deal strong blows to U.S. and British interests. These blows should be strong enough to make them feel that their interests are indeed threatened not only by words but also in deeds."
Al-Qadisiyah, February 27, 1999 (State-controlled newspaper)

U.S.S. Cole Bombing, October 12, 2000
"[Iraqis] should intensify struggle and jihad in all fields and by all means..."
Iraq TV, October 22, 2000 (State-controlled)

The Attacks of September 11
"The United States reaps the thorns its rulers have planted in the world."
Saddam Hussein, September 12, 2001

"The real perpetrators [of September 11] are within the collapsed buildings."
Alif-Ba, September 11, 2002 (State-controlled newspaper)

"[September 11 was] God's punishment."
Al-Iktisadi, September 11, 2002 (State-controlled newspaper)

"If the attacks of September 11 cost the lives of 3,000 civilians, how much will the size of losses in 50 states within 100 cities if it were attacked in the same way in which New York and Washington were? What would happen if hundreds of planes attacked American cities?"
Al-Rafidayn, September 11, 2002 (State-controlled newspaper)

"The simple truth [about September 11] is that America burned itself and now tries to burn the world."
Alif-Ba, September 11, 2002 (State-controlled magazine)

"t is possible to turn to biological attack, where a small can, not bigger than the size of a hand, can be used to release viruses that affect everything..."


Wait let me guess. Its okay for Saddam to speak like this, threaten chemical warfare, call for innocent american citizens to be killed when given the chance because americans are...well just evil trouble makers!

Saddam threatened and bluffed the USA for years stating he had WMD. He desrved everything he got if he wanted to play that game.

Nothing wrong being proud of your country. To me, the definition of exceptionalism includes an element of superiority. And the representation of the idea in this way is mostly perceived negatively by the counterparty. At least when it's affixed to a too broad concept (like any given nation). It can be used as a positive definition too.




It's more than just semantics IMO. I say mindset, since the governmental actions and their consequences seem to follow somewhat set patterns of perception of the rest of the world. Perception is not understanding or based on knowledge. It's necessary in gaining knowledge or understanding. Perception is easily influenced by assumptions and may lead to misjudgement of facts. Mindset is something more permanent.

Perceive, understand, act.

Make sense?

Oh you mean like the liberal media?

Semantics! Perception! Misjudgment! This is called being human.

I never said it is illegal. He used loophole in tax law not to pay tax.

It is smart, if we are talking about Trump as a businessman, that's not a problem.
But we are talking about Trump as a president here. A president who don't pay tax using loophole in the law, what kind of message it is sending do you think?

One of a job as a president is to encourage people to do their duty not avoiding it using the loophole, but he can't ask people to pay tax when he is the one who doesn't pay any.

What do you think will happen, if people don't pay tax? America first? Trump said? America first can happen when the government has money to do something, when government doesn't have any money how do you think they can do anything to make America first?

Another thing...a person who earn, let's say $50000 a year, who had a really hard life to make an end meet and pay $10000 as a tax so people in USA can have a road to drive around and a police to keep them safe, and Trump has a millions of dollars in his bank account and enjoy all the luxury and don't pay any tax, do you call it right? That's what you want people to have in USA?

Except this happened when he was not the president. So yeah we are talking about Trump the businessman here so your argument is moot.
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You do realize Trump employs thousands of people right? You do realize him staying afloat is important in employing these people right? If Trump went bankrupt you know who suffers? His employees. He has created 34,000 jobs.

So you both think it is pretty cool and smart that the average American needs two jobs to get through the month yet still pays his taxes and a multi-billionaire does not pay a single cent in over a decade? Wow!

Has created 34,000 jobs. WOW!

So now the economy is Trumps fault?

US has too much influence in the rest of the world. And when you elect these insane people to lead your country, it has really bad consequences elsewhere too. So your elections really matter for the world. I had absolutely nothing against US when Obama was leading it. I could trust US to not make stupid decisions based on what your leader's ego can handle. And I'm encouraged when seeing those massive protests against Trump. Your country has millions of great people who really care about things and not just their wallets. But at the same time I'm worried about what Trump will do since he's a stupid guy. At least he's not evil and smart like Putin is so maybe that limits the damage but we'll see.

yeah Obama and his sound decisions. We sure loved benghazi, syria giving Iran 1,7 billion dollars in cash, the largest terrorist supporting country in the world. And yes those are facts that have been cross referenced and proven by over 12 intelligence agencies all over the world.

The only administration that was stupid, was the Obama administration.

You sure seem to believe in "American exceptionalism". Sorry to say the vast majority of the world do not always share that view. Actually that is the mindset why a lot of people dislike some americans.

One nation under god, right?

Im sorry but what?

How 'bout them Patriots eh, I leave the game with them trailing 28-3 in the third because it was getting painful (Patriots fan), come back about an hour later and they've only forced OT!!

Got to see their winning TD as well, so basically the greatest sporting comeback probably ever :notworthy

Brady for president?......

He's like a really good friend of mine. What a YUGE play. It was bigly!

For every illegal that sneaks in and takes a low level job it denies those that are legally waiting in line for one of those jobs. That's the real injustice. America is a nation of laws, we want law abiding immigrants.

Table 1. Immigrant Waiting List By Country

Country Applicants
Mexico 1,323,978
Philippines 428,765
India 323,089

Full List Source:

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Its been a problem for long time.



How dare you post actual fact in here!!! I was under the assumption its mud throwing to see what would stick.

 

[lockinlove]

I think everyone should watch this. This is from a US Marine about all the Trump drama, who is on the ground. Its a very surreal view.

 

[ternur]

To lockinlove

I'm not sure if you're drunk posting or not.

But I'm not going to argue with you. It clearly does not amount to anything. You can say you keep debunking and discrediting others, you clearly are the righteous voice we all need. You seem to have missed the overall idea of my posts in this thread. I'll leave it to that.

Mouche was spot on:

Clear and critical thinking is essential. Who have caused this prolonged period of economical problems (i.e. banking or financial crisis), certainly not any immigrants! They never have and never will.

The influx of refugees in Germany (1% of its population) has not caused any problems to its people, other than the persistent narrative of bigots that the European world is collapsing under the onslaught of mass arrivals from cultures that European countries cannot possibly mingle with. These are myths and debunking them can be hard work.

Hatred and passions overtake rational approaches and documented facts get swept away. It is even harder when Europe’s long history of almost constant population movement and mixing of cultures is ignored, untaught or forgotten.

Perhaps you did not understand (that one) either?

This must have been just a provocation and as such is not even worth a reply:

And btw you are in the minority. An overwhelming percentage want nothing to do with refugees in Finland.

 

[lockinlove]

I'm not sure if you're drunk posting or not.

But I'm not going to argue with you. It clearly does not amount to anything. You can say you keep debunking and discrediting others, you clearly are the righteous voice we all need. You seem to have missed the overall idea of my posts in this thread. I'll leave it to that.

Mouche was spot on:



Perhaps you did not understand (that one) either?

This must have been just a provocation and as such is not even worth a reply:

So I guess all you have are insults? Figures.

And let me know when you can use actual evidence and facts instead of other posters comments and mud slinging as your argument.

 

[ternur]

So I guess all you have are insults? Figures.

And let me know when you can use actual evidence and facts instead of other posters comments and mud slinging as your argument.

Did I insult you? If so, I apologize. I have tried to keep my comments faily neutral, but seems I have failed on it.

Just that we are clear:

1. I don't hate Trump. I have issues with something that he does as a president.
2. I don't hate americans. I have nothing against them as a nation. I don't even dislike canadians.
3. I'm not leftist or read only liberal media.
4. My comments on this thread have been intended as a critical opinion on the Trump presidency.
5. This is a polical rant thread. It will get heated. It's only natural.
6. I do believe in rule of law and my most interest in this topic is based on underlying legal issues. If this has been unlear.

 

[Webzcas]

I think everyone should watch this. This is from a US Marine about all the Trump drama, who is on the ground. Its a very surreal view.



Since when has a serving marine been allowed to wear Brian Blessed's beard?

 

[ternur]

10th February 2017 09:58 PM
lockinlove: The only time ive given someone negative rep on this forum as this poster is clearly trolling and baiting people.

That was an incorrect interpretation. But if you have something to say, just say it the thread.

 

[lockinlove]

Did I insult you? If so, I apologize. I have tried to keep my comments faily neutral, but seems I have failed on it.

Just that we are clear:

1. I don't hate Trump. I have issues with something that he does as a president.
2. I don't hate americans. I have nothing against them as a nation. I don't even dislike canadians.
3. I'm not leftist or read only liberal media.
4. My comments on this thread have been intended as a critical opinion on the Trump presidency.
5. This is a polical rant thread. It will get heated. It's only natural.
6. I do believe in rule of law and my most interest in this topic is based on underlying legal issues. If this has been unlear.

Stating that Im drunk posting was an obvious insult when its clear there was nothing wrong with my post. I had zero intentions about coming back in here because it does get heated and I dont want it to spill out into the forum where I offend people I actually like. But I couldnt take the last few pages of patronizing and misleading comments. And this response goes for your above comment of the negative rep I gave you for calling me a drunk poster. it was baiting and trolling. And I try not to insult or derail people in here hence why the private reputation I gave you that you feel the need posting in here for whatever reason.

I have no problem with anything anyone says but I will call some things out when I know or think they arent correct. Especially when its misleading

I also dont want to get in a back in forth here that makes it personal. So lets just try and get back on topic please...its making an already messy thread messier lol

 

[lockinlove]

Since when has a serving marine been allowed to wear Brian Blessed's beard?

Since forever.

Its relaxed grooming standards that applies to marines overseas in danger areas.

 

[ternur]

Stating that Im drunk posting was an obvious insult when its clear there was nothing wrong with my post. I had zero intentions about coming back in here because it does get heated and I dont want it to spill out into the forum where I offend people I actually like. But I couldnt take the last few pages of patronizing and misleading comments. And this response goes for your above comment of the negative rep I gave you for calling me a drunk poster. it was baiting and trolling. And I try not to insult or derail people in here hence why the private reputation I gave you that you feel the need posting in here for whatever reason.

I have no problem with anything anyone says but I will call some things out when I know or think they arent correct. Especially when its misleading

I read your comments on that page and I read them in a very different light. That's why I responded. Again, I apologize if you felt insulted by me.

hahaha the blind hate for Trump and his agenda is pathetic
[...]
Whats even more hilarious is you people who live thousands of miles away are ARGUING, patronizing and mocking us north americans and think you know everything. When in fact you all look ridiculous to us. Until you live here, your opinions hold zero water. Zero.

Anyways, I was going to stay out of this thread because it was going around in circles. Instead, since I see these people trying to tell us how things are, I think I will stick around and continue to discredit everything you folks say.

And btw you are in the minority. An overwhelming percentage want nothing to do with refugees in Finland.

You say others are patronizing, their opinions hold zero water, all look ridiculous to you and that I have "blind hate for Trump and its pathethic".

But only you have been insulted? Come on lockinlove.

 

[ternur]

I also dont want to get in a back in forth here that makes it personal. So lets just try and get back on topic please...its making an already messy thread messier lol

I agree.

(I missed that last sentence when replying before this one.)

 

[weesie]

Just for the hell of it

 

[lockinlove]

Too bad you cant like posts lol

Id be the cake person too

 

[sueyh]

Except this happened when he was not the president. So yeah we are talking about Trump the businessman here so your argument is moot.
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You do realize Trump employs thousands of people right? You do realize him staying afloat is important in employing these people right? If Trump went bankrupt you know who suffers? His employees. He has created 34,000 jobs.

Yes, you are right. It-not paying tax- happened when he was a businessman, not a president.
So my question to you.
Trump is sorry for what he did? No, he called himself smart.

As a president, he call someone who doesn't pay tax smart. Do you think it is right? What kind of message do you think it is sending to USA people?

He created 34000 jobs? There are people who created more jobs than Trump, they still pay tax, they think it is shame not to pay tax.

 

[Steviedoo]

Too bad you cant like posts lol

Id be the cake person too

I'm sorry.....did you say you know Tom Brady.... gorgeous all time best quarterback is your friend?

Yes that's what I retained from all of those posts you quoted and responded to.. lol.

 

[lockinlove]

I'm sorry.....did you say you know Tom Brady.... gorgeous all time best quarterback is your friend?

Yes that's what I retained from all of those posts you quoted and responded to.. lol.

lol I was mocking Trump. Have you ever seen him about Brady. Hes hilarious and think hes the coolest ever for being pals with him.

"I like Brady, hes like my friend. ok. ok. Great man. Great great player. YUGE."

 

[lockinlove]

Yes, you are right. It-not paying tax- happened when he was a businessman, not a president.
So my question to you.
Trump is sorry for what he did? No, he called himself smart.

As a president, he call someone who doesn't pay tax smart. Do you think it is right? What kind of message do you think it is sending to USA people?

He created 34000 jobs? There are people who created more jobs than Trump, they still pay tax, they think it is shame not to pay tax.

Do I think its right? Im not really sure. I can see both sides of it. For one, I want him to be financially secure so he can employ all those people but in the same sense I think he should suck it up like everyone else. That being said, what he did wasnt breaking the law and he did claim 900 million in losses which exempts him from paying taxes. So I get it.

And a lot of this big businesses do this. Its not just Trump.

I read your comments on that page and I read them in a very different light. That's why I responded. Again, I apologize if you felt insulted by me.



You say others are patronizing, their opinions hold zero water, all look ridiculous to you and that I have "blind hate for Trump and its pathethic".

But only you have been insulted? Come on lockinlove.

Yes it wasnt the cleanest or calmest of posting but it was me mirroring some of the smart alec responses against other posters here. The eyeroll emoticons, overuse of exclamation points, sarcastic tone etc. Just kind of shows how distasteful it comes across doesnt it. Thats what I meant by patronizing. Go back about 5 pages and read through it and tell me how it looks. Its like people belittling Americans/North Americans for our views when we are the ones who live here.

 

[sueyh]

Do I think its right? Im not really sure. I can see both sides of it. For one, I want him to be financially secure so he can employ all those people but in the same sense I think he should suck it up like everyone else. That being said, what he did wasnt breaking the law and he did claim 900 million in losses which exempts him from paying taxes. So I get it.

And a lot of this big businesses do this. Its not just Trump.

Wow, are you kidding me? You called tax "suck it up" to defend Trump?

What do you think happen if nobody pay tax?

There is going to be no road, there is going to be no police to protect people, CIA, FBI will be closed because they don't have any fund which means all the terrorists can walk freely on the street of USA, military will be closed since they don't have money to run and there is going to be nothing to defend USA.

You want him to financially secure to hire all the people? Are you serious? Trump can pay tax if he use some of the money he spent for all the luxury things, he doesn't need to reduce the number of employees to pay tax.

 

[Steviedoo]

lol I was mocking Trump. Have you ever seen him about Brady. Hes hilarious and think hes the coolest ever for being pals with him.

"I like Brady, hes like my friend. ok. ok. Great man. Great great player. YUGE."

Lol...

 

[Steviedoo]

Wow, are you kidding me? You called tax "suck it up" to defend Trump?

What do you think happen if nobody pay tax?

There is going to be no road, there is going to be no police to protect people, CIA, FBI will be closed because they don't have any fund which means all the terrorists can walk freely on the street of USA, military will be closed since they don't have money to run and there is going to be nothing to defend USA.

You want him to financially secure to hire all the people? Are you serious? Trump can pay tax if he use some of the money he spent for all the luxury things, he doesn't need to reduce the number of employees to pay tax.

On se calme...which translates....slow down and whoa there........lockinlove agreed with you....she said he should suck it up like everyone else and pay his taxes....
However it's not illegal to do what he did....he took a 900 million loss which probably wiped out any profits....therefore no taxes to pay...

 

[lockinlove]

Wow, are you kidding me? You called tax "suck it up" to defend Trump?

What do you think happen if nobody pay tax?

There is going to be no road, there is going to be no police to protect people, CIA, FBI will be closed because they don't have any fund which means all the terrorists can walk freely on the street of USA, military will be closed since they don't have money to run and there is going to be nothing to defend USA.

You want him to financially secure to hire all the people? Are you serious? Trump can pay tax if he use some of the money he spent for all the luxury things, he doesn't need to reduce the number of employees to pay tax.

Yeah I did, whats wrong with that? He wasnt obligated to pay taxes by the laws of his country. I think maybe he should have played the good guy and done it anyways.

And please dont tell me that if your government wrote you a letter and said you dont have to pay taxes because you didnt make enough, you would put your super hero cape on and run to the bank and mail them a check anyways.

I didnt say I want him to do anything by the way, I said I was undecided but was leaning more towards he should suck it up and pay. So thanks for jumping to the conclusion that best suits you..

 

[sueyh]

Yeah I did, whats wrong with that? He wasnt obligated to pay taxes by the laws of his country. I think maybe he should have played the good guy and done it anyways.

And please dont tell me that if your government wrote you a letter and said you dont have to pay taxes because you didnt make enough, you would put your super hero cape on and run to the bank and mail them a check anyways.

I didnt say I want him to do anything by the way, I said I was undecided but was leaning more towards he should suck it up and pay. So thanks for jumping to the conclusion that best suits you..

Sincere apology for my misunderstanding. I'm sorry.

Of course everybody want to pay tax as less as possible. I'm talking about here Trump encourage people not to pay tax by calling him smart for not paying tax.

I'm talking about his character, I'm questioning his moral cods as a president.

I don't think it is right for him to say on National television "It is smart not to pay tax." to defend his action.

 

[sueyh]

On se calme...which translates....slow down and whoa there........lockinlove agreed with you....she said he should suck it up like everyone else and pay his taxes....
However it's not illegal to do what he did....he took a 900 million loss which probably wiped out any profits....therefore no taxes to pay...

Thank you. I misunderstood what she said. I appreciate you correct me.

 

[lockinlove]

Sincere apology for my misunderstanding. I'm sorry.

Of course everybody want to pay tax as less as possible. I'm talking about here Trump encourage people not to pay tax by calling him smart for not paying tax.

I'm talking about his character, I'm questioning his moral cods as a president.

I don't think it is right for him to say on National television "It is smart not to pay tax." to defend his action.

It probably isnt smart but he does say some pretty stupid shit. But thats his appeal I guess. He tells it like it is and can relate to the normal person and how they think. I really dont think its that big of a deal though. I mean the IRS has quite the reputation. If you dont pay, you are in deep trouble. Its not like hes telling companies things they dont already know either.

 

[weesie]

It probably isnt smart but he does say some pretty stupid shit. But thats his appeal I guess. He tells it like it is and can relate to the normal person and how they think. I really dont think its that big of a deal though. I mean the IRS has quite the reputation. If you dont pay, you are in deep trouble. Its not like hes telling companies things they dont already know either.

Yes, he has a habit of saying what he wants and feels. I think that is why he got elected. At least in part. People are sick to death of the "PC" world we have created.

 

[sueyh]

I really dont think its that big of a deal though. I mean the IRS has quite the reputation. If you dont pay, you are in deep trouble.

I know how tough IRS can be. That's why it is a problem. People who can't afford a family holiday, who rent a small house are chased by IRS and forced to pay tax, and those people see someone who travels in first class and have a few 5 star hotel holidays every year and live in penthouse that has a toilet which is bigger than their apartment don't pay tax. What do you think those people feel about it?

The president that makes people feel like "life is unfair in USA".

I'm not saying Trump has to pay all the money he didn't pay last 10 years or so, but he should said something better than "smart" which can be a really big insult to some people-I know there are many people who are quite struggling to pay the money that they owed to IRS, people who can't buy basic things like milk and bread still are chased by IRS.

I'm just wondering, Trump keeps saying America first, does he really care about American people, or he used those term to become a president without really meaning it?

"Terrorism" is a huge issue for sure, but it is not the only thing that the president needs to take care of. Does Trump have an ability to make people's life better in many aspects, not just terrorism? I'm not so sure. Even I'm not so sure he will do better regarding to middle east problem.

Trump is so immature. He attacked the media by telling the poll they did was fake without showing any evidence that it is a fake. What would you feel like if I said you were a part of KKK and you were using violence against coloured people on the street without showing any evidence just because I don't like what you wrote here? Faking the poll result is a really serious accusation. I don't understand why Trump can get away with it.

When the court stopped his "muslim ban" policy, he showed so little respect to the court, he called the judge "so called judge", I mean I understand his frustration, but he is not the first president who was stopped by the court/congress from doing something that he believed is the best for the country, yet he is the first one who showed 4 year old like tantrum.

Some of policy Trump is talking about has a good potential to make USA better, but I don't think he is mature enough to make it happen.