boymimbo
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Absolutely I agree. The casinos who are still operating this software are rogue.
The game of craps offered by BLR Technology is rigged; it performed in a rogue fashion against all tested strategies. There is no indication that a strategy could be devised to defeat this rogue programming; it appears to be adaptive.
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Any online casino that continues to offer the BLR Technology product with knowledge of the audits that took place, and is not itself conducting an immediate, fair and impartial third party audit of the BLR Technology craps software, is operating as a rogue.
Kind regards,
Eliot
It is highly inappropriate to post private emails without the explicit permission of the other party. I ask that you remove your post immediately, if possible, or that you request the moderators here remove it. After you've removed your post, if you would like to ask me a question, I will consider if it is something I can appropriately answer.{Taken from an email addressed to Mr. Jacobson}.
The important point is how easy it was to detect this rogue program by simple statistical tests. Moreover, because the user clempops4 had the foresight to video his play and post it on YouTube, there was no need for log files and no way for the software vendor to "flip the switch" -- the facts obtainable from the videos spoke for themselves. Michael Shackleford's article about the game on his web site has a lot of good detail about the process of conducting an audit.So the case of it right now is that BLR is the first of what you personally ever suspected and detected as a reactive cheating algorithym?
How could the players ever be confident that even the bigger platforms that are not so zealous (or as greedy) and are smart enough to only program the software to reflect a 5% additional house edge in table games, that they too would be detected? Like it was said over at the WOV website that it would have been smarter to program the software just to "fleece the sheep, not slaughter it".
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The only way to know for sure would be for every cent that entered the game to be recorded over time and then analyzed by a confirmed honest regulator. This is not now or ever has as far as I know being applied as confirmed fact for online casinos.
Table players of Baccarat, Black Jack, Craps, Video Poker, and others expect a longer life for their money when compared to slot players and certainly could never expect a life changing win from any one session. This is why I believe most slot players don’t understand how important it is to be certain that when playing one of these table games that they are programmed exactly to the specified return as advertised.
I’m looking forward to Jufos spread sheet, but would recommend he take those statistics to the Wizard. That site is loaded with endless mathematicians with doctrine degrees, and endless computer software engineers of assorted types. Eliot Jacobson a member here being one of them. I must also admit that I feel very under educated when I participate in threads there.
I've seen this before. What you should look at is the distribution of individual cards for your hands. What is the frequency of each card by rank out of all the hands you were dealt? How does this compare to the dealer's distribution? See if you are playing with a "short deck."I am happy that you brought this up, because I have actually gone through a case like you described, where I constantly ran around 5% below expected long-term RTP for a duration of 1.5 years, 20 000 hands in total played and 350 000€ in total wagered on low-variance games (mostly Blackjack).
I've seen this before. What you should look at is the distribution of individual cards for your hands. What is the frequency of each card by rank out of all the hands you were dealt? How does this compare to the dealer's distribution? See if you are playing with a "short deck."
If you need any help and don't mind disclosing personal information to me, please feel free to contact me.
You can request your complete log files from the casino vendor, the logs should come as CSV files.That being said I only did the statistical tests to a sample data of size of ~1000 hands.
You can request your complete log files from the casino vendor, the logs should come as CSV files.
Well, exactly. For example, both the Wizard and TEliot both have "certified" 5 dimes Bonus Casino and did some statistical analysis on a number of games. In BLR craps, it was so obvious that the Wizard was able to complete his test after only 328 trials, and Teliot did a test over 74 trials (playing $7, the pass and placing all the numbers) to realize beyond a doubt that the software was completely rigged. It was alot easier to see a 46% HA vs a 1.4% one, after all.
Now, when you get into the 5% range, it becomes a lot more difficult to prove, and you have a ton of more trials, on the order of 10,000 or so, to complete. Take a game like craps and set it to a 5% HA. The probability of success on the pass line is .493. The odds of having 4750 or less successes in 10,000 rolls is only .000164539. It's not incomprehensible.
So I don't even think a 5% HA is really realistically detectable, and this is where the online, unregulated casino, has you by the balls.
The method of cheating above is readily detectible by simple audits of the distribution of dealer cards. Any audit will detect this.There has been several cases of rigged software in the past. But I especially remember one case that seems similar to this one. It was covered by WoO as well and is probably 8 or more years ago. The game in question was blackjack and after various statistically analysis it was concluded that data was fitting perfectly to the having the dealer dealing a second card in case he busted. And than accepting the fate of the second card no matter what. When cheating this way, there is no way the player can exploit it of course.
5% would definitely be noticeable in 10000 hands. SeeEven if a player recorded 5 million hands of BJ or Video Poker and fell 5% below expected RTP it would still be written off as just bad luck and expected variance without knowing every single bet made against the same game during that same time. Don’t think all computer software engineers are as stupid as BLR. The bigger online software providers are smart enough to provide quicker profits for the owners while completely avoiding issues like this one simply because they are smart enough and can with no regulation or enforcement.
I guess the reason why I stopped trying to give my experiences of the changes happening is because it seemed like a useless proposition against the said issues you stated....I was tired of being asked to "prove" things that I knew were true but could not physically prove. I got tired of defending myself against the same people you are asking where they are at, now, that the proof is being shown that things can and ARE being manipulated, as I stated they were happening behind the scenes (really got beat up for that) ...I was accused of chasing off dogboy in another thread here : https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...arned-can-be-controlled-in-the-backend.36435/ by my questions and my experiences that did not match his accounting of games which I challenged and he did end up disappearing for quite a long time after that....so...there you go..I find this thread confirming in house cheating even more interesting that it went completely ignored (or rather not one posted opinion) from all the members that insisted for years that there could never be a logical reason for an operator to cheat; or would possibly run the risk of killing the goose that’s laying golden eggs. Why are there no Advocates and Affiliates who are getting fat from online gaming found expressing any opinions in this thread or else where? Bryan at least rogued the software provider, but are others even willing to warn players? Where are the likes of Dogboy and others that are always trying to convince everyone else that their just unlucky?
Regardless, this thread should cast enough doubt for any online table player to run for the hills and bury their money where no online casino could find it until confirmed regulation and enforcement make an appearance.
I guess the reason why I stopped trying to give my experiences of the changes happening is because it seemed like a useless proposition against the said issues you stated....I was tired of being asked to "prove" things that I knew were true but could not physically prove. I got tired of defending myself against the same people you are asking where they are at, now, that the proof is being shown that things can and ARE being manipulated, as I stated they were happening behind the scenes (really got beat up for that) ...I was accused of chasing off dogboy in another thread here : https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...arned-can-be-controlled-in-the-backend.36435/ by my questions and my experiences that did not match his accounting of games which I challenged and he did end up disappearing for quite a long time after that....so...there you go..
Many will still defend and state "all is well" even though things haven't been for a few years now..I will take personal experience over anothers desire to imagine all is fair and right with the casinos (for the USA promoters). To me, experiencing the changes speaks more volumes than the demand for the illusive "proof" unlike here where you have physical proof that you can sink your teeth into.
I just played at my last RTG I have installed and finally
requested it closed. Why? I am one to be fair and give others a fair shake in showing me that things are not as bad as I feel they are. well...this last RTG has failed also, after months of playing. (I always ask myself, could I be wrong?) hence the coninuous playing to the end for fairness....
I agree . So I now have only fun casinos loaded. USA players really need to sit back and wait till the tide turns and casinos are made to be held accountable. The risk is too much and the money drain is unending as proven to me once again today.
5% would definitely be noticeable in 10000 hands. SeeYou do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.for some example how the analysis is done.
If a casino cheats systematically, it cannot be hidden, since the payout will be lower than expected. The number of games needed to collect sufficient level of evidence depends on the level of cheating, but it can be done. There will also be other evidence, such as the distribution of cards will deviate from the expected.
Nifty, please take a breath...and just breaaath~~~~~ The word conspiracy is always the word for you..against anyone that does not agree with you or your ideals.....that is ok..you can own it....I myself, take experiences over "blind faith" any day so if you like to call it a conspirators thoughts...so be it...you own the word...not my thoughts...or experiences...have a nice nite...and just breath~~~~~Sorry, but the fact you have still been playing shows that you don't even believe your own conspiracies. You have held the "all casinos cheat/lower payouts secretly" POV for years and during that time you still played.....it just confirms in my mind that the "avid conspiracy theorists" such as yourself are actually just using such theories as a crutch to lean on when you lose. You say "RTG have definitely lowered their payouts over the past few years".....so where is your spreadsheet showing your deposits, bets, bonuses and withdrawals? You cannot make accusations of cheating/dishonesty without evidence - its not right and not fair. I'm.certain if someone posted here that "silcnlayc is a tax cheat" with no evidence besides "oh its just a feeling I get" you would be going ballistic and demanding evidence or an apology. How does this not apply to everyone else? You think its OK to accuse operators of cheating without a scrap of proof.
I tell you now, if you presented your stats from the past few years showing just how much worse things have become, I would seriously consider that you were on to something and would support you in your cause. I detest cheating and dishonesty, but I also believe that if one is going to make serious accusations, one must be prepared to offer hard evidence, or be prepared to have their opinions seriously questioned and, quite possibly, be discounted as just another gambler blaming the casinos for their losses.
I'll give 4OAK one thing.....he might push his agenda in just about every post, but at least he stopped playing (as far as we know) when he thought something wasn't right. He has the courage of his convictions. No hard evidence, so I don't give his views much credibility for that reason, but at least I know he really believes what he believes. Of course, the problem is that not playing for years puts one out of the loop so to speak, so things may well be different now and it may well just have been a bad streak for him.
A few wise heads have stated here that cheating software becomes pretty obvious fairly quickly, and will always be caught by rigorous testing regimes. AFAIK nobody has produced testing of RTG, MG, Playtech that suggests anything untoward is going on at all. I would bet London to a brick that, if these operators were taking us all for a ride, WoO and others would have called them out long ago.
The reason dogboy hardly posts now is that the same members were constantly trying to discredit him as being "in on the conspiracy" and somehow sent here by RTG to hoodwink all of us in to believing everything is fair. Members were questioning his integrity and even his knowledge (even though he is involved in the testing etc of the game). It didnt matter what he tried to say, it would always be turned back on him with "yes well you would say that" and "i'd expect that from a company man". The conspiracy theorists don't want to hear facts that don't fit, so they do everything possible to demean the person presenting them.
I wouldn't hang around under those conditions either.
A few wise heads have stated here that cheating software becomes pretty obvious fairly quickly, and will always be caught by rigorous testing regimes.
Nifty, please take a breath...and just breaaath~~~~~ The word conspiracy is always the word for you..against anyone that does not agree with you or your ideals.....that is ok..you can own it....I myself, take experiences over "blind faith" any day so if you like to call it a conspirators thoughts...so be it...you own the word...not my thoughts...or experiences...have a nice nite...and just breath~~~~~
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