Possible issue with BLR Tech casinos craps software

The game of craps offered by BLR Technology is rigged; it performed in a rogue fashion against all tested strategies. There is no indication that a strategy could be devised to defeat this rogue programming; it appears to be adaptive.

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Any online casino that continues to offer the BLR Technology product with knowledge of the audits that took place, and is not itself conducting an immediate, fair and impartial third party audit of the BLR Technology craps software, is operating as a rogue.

Kind regards,

Eliot


So the case of it right now is that BLR is the first of what you personally ever suspected and detected as a reactive cheating algorithym? Thank you.

** I apologize; but is the question still viable?
 
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So the case of it right now is that BLR is the first of what you personally ever suspected and detected as a reactive cheating algorithym?
The important point is how easy it was to detect this rogue program by simple statistical tests. Moreover, because the user clempops4 had the foresight to video his play and post it on YouTube, there was no need for log files and no way for the software vendor to "flip the switch" -- the facts obtainable from the videos spoke for themselves. Michael Shackleford's article about the game on his web site has a lot of good detail about the process of conducting an audit.

Beyond that, every case I know of where a software vendor knowingly created and licensed rogue games is publicly referenced through the rogue pit on this site.
 
In this case we see a software provider as far as I could tell being over zealous with their rigged software. It also is surprising that if rigged software is so easy to detect as many seem to believe, how did this software provider last so long with a blatantly detectable program?

How could the players ever be confident that even the bigger platforms that are not so zealous (or as greedy) and are smart enough to only program the software to reflect a 5% additional house edge in table games, that they too would be detected? Like it was said over at the WOV website that it would have been smarter to program the software just to "fleece the sheep, not slaughter it".

Even if a player was playing a video poker game with an expected 98.6% rtp, retaining long term data with results of 94.6% rtp, it certainly would be written off as nothing more then bad luck. Even just consistent results of only 1 or 2 percent lower rtp’s would be written off as bad luck, but could mean millions and millions of additional income for the casinos, and those results even if consistent could never hold enough water to confirm fraud.

The only way to know for sure would be for every cent that entered the game to be recorded over time and then analyzed by a confirmed honest regulator. This is not now or ever has as far as I know being applied as confirmed fact for online casinos.
 
True That

Well, exactly. For example, both the Wizard and TEliot both have "certified" 5 dimes Bonus Casino and did some statistical analysis on a number of games. In BLR craps, it was so obvious that the Wizard was able to complete his test after only 328 trials, and Teliot did a test over 74 trials (playing $7, the pass and placing all the numbers) to realize beyond a doubt that the software was completely rigged. It was alot easier to see a 46% HA vs a 1.4% one, after all.

Now, when you get into the 5% range, it becomes a lot more difficult to prove, and you have a ton of more trials, on the order of 10,000 or so, to complete. Take a game like craps and set it to a 5% HA. The probability of success on the pass line is .493. The odds of having 4750 or less successes in 10,000 rolls is only .000164539. It's not incomprehensible.

So I don't even think a 5% HA is really realistically detectable, and this is where the online, unregulated casino, has you by the balls.
 
How could the players ever be confident that even the bigger platforms that are not so zealous (or as greedy) and are smart enough to only program the software to reflect a 5% additional house edge in table games, that they too would be detected? Like it was said over at the WOV website that it would have been smarter to program the software just to "fleece the sheep, not slaughter it".

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The only way to know for sure would be for every cent that entered the game to be recorded over time and then analyzed by a confirmed honest regulator. This is not now or ever has as far as I know being applied as confirmed fact for online casinos.

I am happy that you brought this up, because I have actually gone through a case like you described, where I constantly ran around 5% below expected long-term RTP for a duration of 1.5 years, 20 000 hands in total played and 350 000€ in total wagered on low-variance games (mostly Blackjack). I recorded every hand and my losses over time were this:

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The black curve at the top is the expected return at any given point, around which the actual return curve (blue) should fluctuate. The end result, which includes every single wager made at this casino from the moment of registering an account, suggests a roughly 1 in 300 000 chance for a loss rate this deep across my 1.5 years of play.

Is this enough to prove rigged software here? Probably not, but the result is severe enough that I will publish the results in detail at some point in the future once I have organized the data in full, so that it is ready to be published. This also includes the responses from the software provider in an attempt to discredit my results with false mathematics, and stating that my results are "compeletely normal". Oh, and this is one of the major casino softwares with high reputation.
 
I truly believe that most members here are predominantly slot players accustomed to and expect drastic swings in RTP’s per session. Slot players could have losing sessions for 11 months in a row, but with the simple click of the mouse at the right time could turn their losing year into a winning one simply by hitting a Jackpot.

A hard core blackjack or video poker player, playing perfect strategy expecting a return of 98.85 on BJ, and anywhere from 96 to 98+ on video poker perfect play, and suffering 11 months of losing sessions can’t overcome their losses or get their RTP back to expected with a Royal Flush or a Black Jack.

With that being said, regardless how lucky any one player might be, the law of gambling against a built in house edge dictates that if that lucky player keeps playing he or she too will eventually become just another losing gambler statistic. No arguments there…

Table players of Baccarat, Black Jack, Craps, Video Poker, and others expect a longer life for their money when compared to slot players and certainly could never expect a life changing win from any one session. This is why I believe most slot players don’t understand how important it is to be certain that when playing one of these table games that they are programmed exactly to the specified return as advertised.

If I’m playing a Video Poker machine expecting 98% RTP and actually am only getting a 93% RTP, I would be better off playing a slot machine where I would at least have a chance of hitting a massive Jackpot.

I’m looking forward to Jufos spread sheet, but would recommend he take those statistics to the Wizard. That site is loaded with endless mathematicians with doctrine degrees, and endless computer software engineers of assorted types. Eliot Jacobson a member here being one of them. I must also admit that I feel very under educated when I participate in threads there.

I also feel cheated after 10 years of playing video poker online, with my last two years of such ridiculous outcomes convincing me of foul play forcing me to quit and pursue the facts. Unfortunately, I could only trust my experiences as being fact, since I only kept financial records, not game records.

BLR being exposed helps enforce my convictions, but I want more. At least their exposure proves that even when someone owns a money printing press, they still want more even faster then the machine could print, and are willing to speed it up till it breaks down.

For all the people that insist there is no reason for any online casino to ever cheat, you stand corrected. Without regulation and enforcement there could be no guarantees, regardless what anyone thinks or who says otherwise.
 
Table players of Baccarat, Black Jack, Craps, Video Poker, and others expect a longer life for their money when compared to slot players and certainly could never expect a life changing win from any one session. This is why I believe most slot players don’t understand how important it is to be certain that when playing one of these table games that they are programmed exactly to the specified return as advertised.

Yes very well put. With table games the true RTP is crucial because low variance dictates that you can only swing up or down so much with close to 1:1 payouts.

I’m looking forward to Jufos spread sheet, but would recommend he take those statistics to the Wizard. That site is loaded with endless mathematicians with doctrine degrees, and endless computer software engineers of assorted types. Eliot Jacobson a member here being one of them. I must also admit that I feel very under educated when I participate in threads there.

Yes that's a good idea. I was very impressed with how much crucial input they gave with the BLR software incident and it also motivated me to get back to this unresolved incident of mine. Unfortunately in my case, I don't have videotaped footage across my 20,000 transactions and 1.5 years of play (would anyone even have the patience to watch them all through) so I have to rely on play logs only, and my case is much messier in every other aspect as well, so I'd need to construct a clear case with only key facts and then give it them to digest.
 
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I am happy that you brought this up, because I have actually gone through a case like you described, where I constantly ran around 5% below expected long-term RTP for a duration of 1.5 years, 20 000 hands in total played and 350 000€ in total wagered on low-variance games (mostly Blackjack).
I've seen this before. What you should look at is the distribution of individual cards for your hands. What is the frequency of each card by rank out of all the hands you were dealt? How does this compare to the dealer's distribution? See if you are playing with a "short deck."

If you need any help and don't mind disclosing personal information to me, please feel free to contact me.
 
I've seen this before. What you should look at is the distribution of individual cards for your hands. What is the frequency of each card by rank out of all the hands you were dealt? How does this compare to the dealer's distribution? See if you are playing with a "short deck."

If you need any help and don't mind disclosing personal information to me, please feel free to contact me.

Hi, I already conducted a battery of statistical tests to the data, including those you mentioned. I didn't find anything special and didn't get any specific direction as to what to focus on. For different tests I obtained p-values around 0.01 ... 0.05 range which would still classify as bad luck and are in line with my loss rate. That being said I only did the statistical tests to a sample data of size of ~1000 hands. The reason is that it was extremely time-consuming to manually write all the hands to Excel so even adding 1000 hands took forever. I might go back to look if there is a way to incorporate a larger number of hand details to Excel.

Thanks for the offer to help, it might be turn out very useful. I don't mind disclosing personal details but I still have to update my analysis a bit so that it is organized enough for others to review.
 
You can request your complete log files from the casino vendor, the logs should come as CSV files.

I have done that too, but they only sent me data that doesn't show hand contents, only sessions played. They said "unable to assist" when I asked the data in more detailed format.
 
Well, exactly. For example, both the Wizard and TEliot both have "certified" 5 dimes Bonus Casino and did some statistical analysis on a number of games. In BLR craps, it was so obvious that the Wizard was able to complete his test after only 328 trials, and Teliot did a test over 74 trials (playing $7, the pass and placing all the numbers) to realize beyond a doubt that the software was completely rigged. It was alot easier to see a 46% HA vs a 1.4% one, after all.

Now, when you get into the 5% range, it becomes a lot more difficult to prove, and you have a ton of more trials, on the order of 10,000 or so, to complete. Take a game like craps and set it to a 5% HA. The probability of success on the pass line is .493. The odds of having 4750 or less successes in 10,000 rolls is only .000164539. It's not incomprehensible.

So I don't even think a 5% HA is really realistically detectable, and this is where the online, unregulated casino, has you by the balls.

I had a session in the cashback casino using BLR craps software where I only played no pass....Here is the thread posted in August
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I got hit and hit hard by this only playing no pass. The wizard emailed 5dimes and got his money back. I played the same game, in the same casino at the same place 5dimes. I had a documented session and a number for the losses. I got a two line email saying the BLR software was pulled. No lossback for me...vexing
 
Multiple RNG calls?

There has been several cases of rigged software in the past. But I especially remember one case that seems similar to this one.
It was covered by WoO as well and is probably 8 or more years ago. The game in question was blackjack and after
various statistically analysis it was concluded that data was fitting perfectly to the having the dealer dealing
a second card in case he busted. And than accepting the fate of the second card no matter what. When cheating this way, there is no way the player can exploit it of course.

The result is a house edge less than the expected house edge for any bet. Also this is the most easy way to cheat, simply just
invoke the RNG again if you do not like the result. Maybe it can be tested if this hypothesis is consistent with the data? Or maybe even a third RNG call.

Also Eliot Jacobson experienced a huge lag when he was forcing the cheating software to get an improbably event and having multiple RNG calls
can explain this since RNG calls will give delays, while normal server-calculations are so fast they can not be responsible for any lag.
 
There has been several cases of rigged software in the past. But I especially remember one case that seems similar to this one. It was covered by WoO as well and is probably 8 or more years ago. The game in question was blackjack and after various statistically analysis it was concluded that data was fitting perfectly to the having the dealer dealing a second card in case he busted. And than accepting the fate of the second card no matter what. When cheating this way, there is no way the player can exploit it of course.
The method of cheating above is readily detectible by simple audits of the distribution of dealer cards. Any audit will detect this.

There is another method of cheating in online blackjack that doesn't require modifying the code in a clever way or multiple RNG calls, and is tougher to detect by an audit. Namely, whatever hand the dealer is dealt, flip the cards around so that the high card is the card the player sees. Then the player will hit a lot more often, busting, in situations when he might ordinarily stand by seeing a 2-6 for the dealer. The cards the player and dealer receive will not be modified from those originally dealt making it look statistically normal to the casual auditor. The dealer's cards are just flipped sometimes. You don't need to do this very often and it will have a significant effect. The statistical test that can detect this is a chi-squared test on the distribution of dealer up-cards. This is a test I routinely perform when I do my audits, but I am not sure about other auditors.

This method of cheating (flipping the cards) is in addition to the method Michael Shackleford identified above, as well as cheating by dealing to the player from a short-deck. None of these three methods require messing with the RNG or clever coding. However, no method of cheating the player will be statistically undetectable. Some are harder to identify than others, but they all leave their own statistical fingerprint.
 
I find this thread confirming in house cheating even more interesting that it went completely ignored (or rather not one posted opinion) from all the members that insisted for years that there could never be a logical reason for an operator to cheat; or would possibly run the risk of killing the goose that’s laying golden eggs. Why are there no Advocates and Affiliates who are getting fat from online gaming found expressing any opinions in this thread or else where? Bryan at least rogued the software provider, but are others even willing to warn players? Where are the likes of Dogboy and others that are always trying to convince everyone else that their just unlucky?

Throughout this thread it’s confirmed from software engineers that the software could be altered by installing hard coded rogue logic built into it, RNG’s could be installed improper resulting in not performing randomly, outcomes being weighted one way or the other, BJ games able to flip down cards and draw seconds if needed. This is only what was reveled in this thread.

Like Eliot mentioned that an auditor could detect some of these cheating methods if they even know to look for them in the first place.

Converting games that require human interaction to virtual interaction could only respond to what was programmed into it.

Another thing I find interesting is when visiting and reading threads at the Wizard of Odds / Vegas, how endlessly the mathematicians and computer engineers trash online gaming, yet, the site promotes only one online casino which is Bodog. Just the fact that Bodog is willing to take illegal money transactions from the USA speaks volumes in itself about the promoter. If this same issue was casting doubts upon RTG software, one would have to wonder if M.S. (WOO) would have pursed the issue with the same vigor.

Even if a player recorded 5 million hands of BJ or Video Poker and fell 5% below expected RTP it would still be written off as just bad luck and expected variance without knowing every single bet made against the same game during that same time. Don’t think all computer software engineers are as stupid as BLR. The bigger online software providers are smart enough to provide quicker profits for the owners while completely avoiding issues like this one simply because they are smart enough and can with no regulation or enforcement.

Regardless, this thread should cast enough doubt for any online table player to run for the hills and bury their money where no online casino could find it until confirmed regulation and enforcement make an appearance.

One could only wonder why such a huge multi-billion industry can go on operating un-regulated like this for well over a decade.
 
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Even if a player recorded 5 million hands of BJ or Video Poker and fell 5% below expected RTP it would still be written off as just bad luck and expected variance without knowing every single bet made against the same game during that same time. Don’t think all computer software engineers are as stupid as BLR. The bigger online software providers are smart enough to provide quicker profits for the owners while completely avoiding issues like this one simply because they are smart enough and can with no regulation or enforcement.
5% would definitely be noticeable in 10000 hands. See
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for some example how the analysis is done.

If a casino cheats systematically, it cannot be hidden, since the payout will be lower than expected. The number of games needed to collect sufficient level of evidence depends on the level of cheating, but it can be done. There will also be other evidence, such as the distribution of cards will deviate from the expected.
 
I find this thread confirming in house cheating even more interesting that it went completely ignored (or rather not one posted opinion) from all the members that insisted for years that there could never be a logical reason for an operator to cheat; or would possibly run the risk of killing the goose that’s laying golden eggs. Why are there no Advocates and Affiliates who are getting fat from online gaming found expressing any opinions in this thread or else where? Bryan at least rogued the software provider, but are others even willing to warn players? Where are the likes of Dogboy and others that are always trying to convince everyone else that their just unlucky?
I guess the reason why I stopped trying to give my experiences of the changes happening is because it seemed like a useless proposition against the said issues you stated....I was tired of being asked to "prove" things that I knew were true but could not physically prove. I got tired of defending myself against the same people you are asking where they are at, now, that the proof is being shown that things can and ARE being manipulated, as I stated they were happening behind the scenes (really got beat up for that) ...I was accused of chasing off dogboy in another thread here : https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...arned-can-be-controlled-in-the-backend.36435/ by my questions and my experiences that did not match his accounting of games which I challenged and he did end up disappearing for quite a long time after that....so...there you go..

Many will still defend and state "all is well" even though things haven't been for a few years now..I will take personal experience over anothers desire to imagine all is fair and right with the casinos (for the USA promoters). To me, experiencing the changes speaks more volumes than the demand for the illusive "proof" unlike here where you have physical proof that you can sink your teeth into.

I just played at my last RTG I have installed and finally requested it closed. Why? I am one to be fair and give others a fair shake in showing me that things are not as bad as I feel they are. well...this last RTG has failed also, after months of playing. (I always ask myself, could I be wrong?) hence the coninuous playing to the end for fairness....
Regardless, this thread should cast enough doubt for any online table player to run for the hills and bury their money where no online casino could find it until confirmed regulation and enforcement make an appearance.

I agree . So I now have only fun casinos loaded. USA players really need to sit back and wait till the tide turns and casinos are made to be held accountable. The risk is too much and the money drain is unending as proven to me once again today.
 
I guess the reason why I stopped trying to give my experiences of the changes happening is because it seemed like a useless proposition against the said issues you stated....I was tired of being asked to "prove" things that I knew were true but could not physically prove. I got tired of defending myself against the same people you are asking where they are at, now, that the proof is being shown that things can and ARE being manipulated, as I stated they were happening behind the scenes (really got beat up for that) ...I was accused of chasing off dogboy in another thread here : https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...arned-can-be-controlled-in-the-backend.36435/ by my questions and my experiences that did not match his accounting of games which I challenged and he did end up disappearing for quite a long time after that....so...there you go..

Many will still defend and state "all is well" even though things haven't been for a few years now..I will take personal experience over anothers desire to imagine all is fair and right with the casinos (for the USA promoters). To me, experiencing the changes speaks more volumes than the demand for the illusive "proof" unlike here where you have physical proof that you can sink your teeth into.

I just played at my last RTG I have installed and finally

requested it closed. Why? I am one to be fair and give others a fair shake in showing me that things are not as bad as I feel they are. well...this last RTG has failed also, after months of playing. (I always ask myself, could I be wrong?) hence the coninuous playing to the end for fairness....

I agree . So I now have only fun casinos loaded. USA players really need to sit back and wait till the tide turns and casinos are made to be held accountable. The risk is too much and the money drain is unending as proven to me once again today.

Sorry, but the fact you have still been playing shows that you don't even believe your own conspiracies. You have held the "all casinos cheat/lower payouts secretly" POV for years and during that time you still played.....it just confirms in my mind that the "avid conspiracy theorists" such as yourself are actually just using such theories as a crutch to lean on when you lose. You say "RTG have definitely lowered their payouts over the past few years".....so where is your spreadsheet showing your deposits, bets, bonuses and withdrawals? You cannot make accusations of cheating/dishonesty without evidence - its not right and not fair. I'm.certain if someone posted here that "silcnlayc is a tax cheat" with no evidence besides "oh its just a feeling I get" you would be going ballistic and demanding evidence or an apology. How does this not apply to everyone else? You think its OK to accuse operators of cheating without a scrap of proof.

I tell you now, if you presented your stats from the past few years showing just how much worse things have become, I would seriously consider that you were on to something and would support you in your cause. I detest cheating and dishonesty, but I also believe that if one is going to make serious accusations, one must be prepared to offer hard evidence, or be prepared to have their opinions seriously questioned and, quite possibly, be discounted as just another gambler blaming the casinos for their losses.

I'll give 4OAK one thing.....he might push his agenda in just about every post, but at least he stopped playing (as far as we know) when he thought something wasn't right. He has the courage of his convictions. No hard evidence, so I don't give his views much credibility for that reason, but at least I know he really believes what he believes. Of course, the problem is that not playing for years puts one out of the loop so to speak, so things may well be different now and it may well just have been a bad streak for him.

A few wise heads have stated here that cheating software becomes pretty obvious fairly quickly, and will always be caught by rigorous testing regimes. AFAIK nobody has produced testing of RTG, MG, Playtech that suggests anything untoward is going on at all. I would bet London to a brick that, if these operators were taking us all for a ride, WoO and others would have called them out long ago.

The reason dogboy hardly posts now is that the same members were constantly trying to discredit him as being "in on the conspiracy" and somehow sent here by RTG to hoodwink all of us in to believing everything is fair. Members were questioning his integrity and even his knowledge (even though he is involved in the testing etc of the game). It didnt matter what he tried to say, it would always be turned back on him with "yes well you would say that" and "i'd expect that from a company man". The conspiracy theorists don't want to hear facts that don't fit, so they do everything possible to demean the person presenting them.

I wouldn't hang around under those conditions either.
 
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5% would definitely be noticeable in 10000 hands. See
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for some example how the analysis is done.

If a casino cheats systematically, it cannot be hidden, since the payout will be lower than expected. The number of games needed to collect sufficient level of evidence depends on the level of cheating, but it can be done. There will also be other evidence, such as the distribution of cards will deviate from the expected.

BLR has been around since 1998, how long do you think they were operating their craps game with a 46% HA (house advantage) before getting caught? Who has been auditing their software all this time? That answer is below off of the 5 Dimes web site:


Check out some examples of the payout difference between traditional casino games and the games found at our Bonus Casino. To ensure the fairness of all games, the 5Dimes Bonus Casino has been audited by two separate third party companies. The 5Dimes Bonus Casino has received the Certified Fair Gambling’s RTP Certification. Below are the payout percentages that were obtained from the Certified Fair Gambling’s fairness audit that was conducted on each of the Bonus Casino games.
Certified Fair Gambling

Blackjack: 98.802%
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The Bonus Casino has also been audited by another third party to ensure statistical fairness. To get an even greater understanding, read an independent audit of our Bonus Casino software.
 
Sorry, but the fact you have still been playing shows that you don't even believe your own conspiracies. You have held the "all casinos cheat/lower payouts secretly" POV for years and during that time you still played.....it just confirms in my mind that the "avid conspiracy theorists" such as yourself are actually just using such theories as a crutch to lean on when you lose. You say "RTG have definitely lowered their payouts over the past few years".....so where is your spreadsheet showing your deposits, bets, bonuses and withdrawals? You cannot make accusations of cheating/dishonesty without evidence - its not right and not fair. I'm.certain if someone posted here that "silcnlayc is a tax cheat" with no evidence besides "oh its just a feeling I get" you would be going ballistic and demanding evidence or an apology. How does this not apply to everyone else? You think its OK to accuse operators of cheating without a scrap of proof.

I tell you now, if you presented your stats from the past few years showing just how much worse things have become, I would seriously consider that you were on to something and would support you in your cause. I detest cheating and dishonesty, but I also believe that if one is going to make serious accusations, one must be prepared to offer hard evidence, or be prepared to have their opinions seriously questioned and, quite possibly, be discounted as just another gambler blaming the casinos for their losses.

I'll give 4OAK one thing.....he might push his agenda in just about every post, but at least he stopped playing (as far as we know) when he thought something wasn't right. He has the courage of his convictions. No hard evidence, so I don't give his views much credibility for that reason, but at least I know he really believes what he believes. Of course, the problem is that not playing for years puts one out of the loop so to speak, so things may well be different now and it may well just have been a bad streak for him.

A few wise heads have stated here that cheating software becomes pretty obvious fairly quickly, and will always be caught by rigorous testing regimes. AFAIK nobody has produced testing of RTG, MG, Playtech that suggests anything untoward is going on at all. I would bet London to a brick that, if these operators were taking us all for a ride, WoO and others would have called them out long ago.

The reason dogboy hardly posts now is that the same members were constantly trying to discredit him as being "in on the conspiracy" and somehow sent here by RTG to hoodwink all of us in to believing everything is fair. Members were questioning his integrity and even his knowledge (even though he is involved in the testing etc of the game). It didnt matter what he tried to say, it would always be turned back on him with "yes well you would say that" and "i'd expect that from a company man". The conspiracy theorists don't want to hear facts that don't fit, so they do everything possible to demean the person presenting them.

I wouldn't hang around under those conditions either.
Nifty, please take a breath...and just breaaath~~~~~ The word conspiracy is always the word for you..against anyone that does not agree with you or your ideals.....that is ok..you can own it....I myself, take experiences over "blind faith" any day so if you like to call it a conspirators thoughts...so be it...you own the word...not my thoughts...or experiences...have a nice nite...and just breath~~~~~

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A few wise heads have stated here that cheating software becomes pretty obvious fairly quickly, and will always be caught by rigorous testing regimes.


Many of the technicians and mathematicians over at the Wizard of Oz, also confirm that finding a consistent negative discrepancy of 3 to 5 percentages would not be enough grounds to declare foul play. Pigs like BLR end up getting slaughtered. Yet, you would have to agree that it would be simple for software providers to play around with a percentage point or two or three or four, and would go undetected, but would equate to millions if not billions considering the volume over time into the casinos and software coffers.

I believe the software providers since they don't have to answer to regulators would have no problem playing these percentage games with nothing more then a simple download. They probably don't even tell the owners who purchase their software. The more profits they provide for owners the better their profit records become when showcasing their software to potential new owners. Many providers also lease their software out with an agreed upon revenue share.

Without regulation and enforcement no one could declare the games are 100% fair, and without proof no one could declare the games are gaffed.

Bottom line if you think you're not getting a 100% fair game, go with your instincts. I gave it two years of absurd results and compulsive loses trying to recover my expected RTP with video poker, before realizing my initial instinct two years earlier was correct. This was after 8 happy years of playing online with no complaints about anything what so ever.

I'm also convinced that slot players see things differently. If a slot player hits a Jackpot and was playing on a machine with an 87% RTP, try convincing this player that the machines are set lower then advertised. Experienced table players see things a completely different way when compared to the views of slot players.
 
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Nifty, please take a breath...and just breaaath~~~~~ The word conspiracy is always the word for you..against anyone that does not agree with you or your ideals.....that is ok..you can own it....I myself, take experiences over "blind faith" any day so if you like to call it a conspirators thoughts...so be it...you own the word...not my thoughts...or experiences...have a nice nite...and just breath~~~~~

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Nice deflection. :)

Let's just forget the word "conspiracy" and replace it with a word/words of your own choice (make sure you own them though).

Now you can address the points I made without worrying about semantics. If you don't have an answer for my arguments, that's totally cool. I would respect you more if you just said that rather than pick out one word and give me respiratory instructions.
 

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