Piss Test ???/Decadent Behavior

[rockycatt]

THE JOB - URINE TEST
(Whoever wrote this one deserves a HUGE pat on the back!)
Like most folks in this country, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck in my case, I am required to pass a random urine test (with which I have no problem). What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.
So, here is my Question: Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them?
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ass - doing drugs, while I work . . . Can you imagine how much money each state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?
I guess we could title that program, 'Urine or You're Out'
Pass this along if you agree or simply delete if you don't. Hope you all will pass it along, though. Some thing has to change in this country -- and soon!!!!!!!

 

[maphesto]

Can you imagine how much money each state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?
I guess we could title that program, 'Urine or You're Out'

I agree! In my case it`s in Sweden of course!

 

[LaurieJim]

100% agree RC........laurie

 

[AussieDave]

I'm in Australia and it's the same here

 

[love2winalot]

I agree, but what would the state do with all that exta money????? ah hahahaha

They did an interview down at the strip of locals who are on unemployment. They interviewed a guy at an internet cafe. he said, "I was laid off at the airport, i did my unemployment application on line, and did not have to talk to a single person, AND SO DID ALL MY FRIENDS".

I also agree,that it makes poorer people stay poor. Why work for $5hr, when you can get it for free? I also think that to buy Gas, you should have to show a no fault insurance card at the station. This would eliminate a lot of the uninsured drivers on the road.

Oh, and since this is a gambling forum, i will add this. Next time someone says, "Gambling is in moral, and causes family proabelms". Ask them this.
Underage drinking=against the law.
internet gambling, and gambling under 21=against the law
use of drungs=against the law
DUI=against the law.

Being married, and having 3 kids, and having sex with another person who is also married and has 4 kids= A-OK.......

This causes more family proabelm than all the above put together. So, if you want to complain about internet gambling, i suggest you also complain about Adultry, as that is the elephant in the room. imhop

ps; as long as it is only a drug test, and not a test for Beer.....

 

[PenDragyn21]

This is a horrible idea.

 

[LaurieJim]

If you are getting assistance from the Goverment to feed your children or to help with shelter or clothes and utilitys, then yes you should be given a random drug test every 3 months.

Its people who live off the system and then go on to teach their children, its ok to let the Goverment take care of you, go out and have as many children as you want, dont worry about using protection, thats extra money you will get, now thats what pisses me off

The money should be used for the family, the parent or parents should be made to take parenting classes and make use of the job centers and career centers in their local counties instead of sitting at home and collecting money, most of those places and churches have child care centers or can point them in the right direction, so thats not an excuse, i have no one to sit with my children.

There are people out there who need help everyday, disabled folks, who are told, you can find a job doing this or that and are turned down, yet a woman with a brood of kids with different fathers or doesnt know who the daddy is can live better than those on disability, this is not fair, they paid in to the system, they did their part.

Im sorry if i come off being not PC here but i think the whole thing need to be re evaluated, no more supporting you children if your not willing to help yourself.

If they are getting those checks for children, then if they fail a piss test, no more money, no more free rent, no more free help period!!!!!!!!

If they had the money to buy a bag of weed or some crack or even beer, they dont need to have children anyway and are not putting them first, let the state take custody of them, after all they had been, and at least they would be safe.................

This is just the way i feel and im sorry if it upsets anyone.

Children come first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PenDragyn21]

Its people who live off the system and then go on to teach their children, its ok to let the Goverment take care of you, go out and have as many children as you want, dont worry about using protection, thats extra money you will get, now thats what pisses me off

Drug testing won't fix this. All it will do is create another point of failure in the bureaucracy chain.

The money should be used for the family, the parent or parents should be made to take parenting classes and make use of the job centers and career centers in their local counties instead of sitting at home and collecting money, most of those places and churches have child care centers or can point them in the right direction, so thats not an excuse, i have no one to sit with my children.

This is a separate issue from drug testing. This I can get behind.

There are people out there who need help everyday, disabled folks, who are told, you can find a job doing this or that and are turned down, yet a woman with a brood of kids with different fathers or doesnt know who the daddy is can live better than those on disability, this is not fair, they paid in to the system, they did their part.

Drug testing won't fix this either. Should we be advocating for tests for those on disability as well just in case?

Im sorry if i come off being not PC here but i think the whole thing need to be re evaluated, no more supporting you children if your not willing to help yourself.

Or this. Does the system need to be re-evaluated? YES Will drug testing provide some sort of fix for all the issues you listed? NO.
I wouldn't mind a little birth control education to be handed out with checks. Good luck getting anything like that funded with tax dollars in America. The moment you say public funds and birth control half the country loses their minds.

If they are getting those checks for children, then if they fail a piss test, no more money, no more free rent, no more free help period!!!!!!!!

If they had the money to buy a bag of weed or some crack or even beer, they dont need to have children anyway and are not putting them first, let the state take custody of them, after all they had been, and at least they would be safe.................

This is just the way i feel and im sorry if it upsets anyone.

Children come first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First, off there are a lot of legitimate medicines that cause false positives (the Vicks Inhaler for one). Also keep in mind some of the people who receive welfare live are in multi-family homes or tenements. The guys next door could be clambaking day in and day out or the people on the floor above are cooking meth. You can't just say no to breathing.

 

[Stovetopp]

If you are getting assistance from the Goverment to feed your children or to help with shelter or clothes and utilitys, then yes you should be given a random drug test every 3 months.

Its people who live off the system and then go on to teach their children, its ok to let the Goverment take care of you, go out and have as many children as you want, dont worry about using protection, thats extra money you will get, now thats what pisses me off

The money should be used for the family, the parent or parents should be made to take parenting classes and make use of the job centers and career centers in their local counties instead of sitting at home and collecting money, most of those places and churches have child care centers or can point them in the right direction, so thats not an excuse, i have no one to sit with my children.

There are people out there who need help everyday, disabled folks, who are told, you can find a job doing this or that and are turned down, yet a woman with a brood of kids with different fathers or doesnt know who the daddy is can live better than those on disability, this is not fair, they paid in to the system, they did their part.

Im sorry if i come off being not PC here but i think the whole thing need to be re evaluated, no more supporting you children if your not willing to help yourself.

If they are getting those checks for children, then if they fail a piss test, no more money, no more free rent, no more free help period!!!!!!!!

If they had the money to buy a bag of weed or some crack or even beer, they dont need to have children anyway and are not putting them first, let the state take custody of them, after all they had been, and at least they would be safe.................

This is just the way i feel and im sorry if it upsets anyone.

Children come first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why be sorry Great post..Now to hear what those commie obama liberals have to say about this.....I really would love to hear the counter argument and trust me, I am a "liberal" but those idiots out there make it hard for me to even admit it...

 

[Dangerous53]

Agree 100% with this idea, if they really need it to support themselves and aren't users, they're welcome to it. Hopefully they can improve their lives some day.

If they're druggies, drunks, or crackhead losers, then piss up and/or PISS OFF!

 

[rockycatt]

double post error

 

[rockycatt]

Drug testing won't fix this. All it will do is create another point of failure in the bureaucracy chain.



This is a separate issue from drug testing. This I can get behind.



Drug testing won't fix this either. Should we be advocating for tests for those on disability as well just in case?



Or this. Does the system need to be re-evaluated? YES Will drug testing provide some sort of fix for all the issues you listed? NO.
I wouldn't mind a little birth control education to be handed out with checks. Good luck getting anything like that funded with tax dollars in America. The moment you say public funds and birth control half the country loses their minds.



First, off there are a lot of legitimate medicines that cause false positives (the Vicks Inhaler for one). Also keep in mind some of the people who receive welfare live are in multi-family homes or tenements. The guys next door could be clambaking day in and day out or the people on the floor above are cooking meth. You can't just say no to breathing.

with all do respect this is like a filibuster

the closest person in my life ever died from a as it says on the death certificate opiate intoxication

so I'm with what ever we can do to retard the use period

thank you for your time R C

 

[felicie]

Lets drug test the politicians first.

 

[maphesto]

Lets drug test the politicians first.

But they will test neg. because they never inhale...

 

[BingoT]

Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check

Oh yes I am 101% they should piss in a bottle and get tested.And not just the day they pick up the check let a case worker pop in on them and do the test.
Knowing the people on welfare they can pass this test by not taking anything for 48 to 68 hours and this will gear them up to stop before they pick up the check on the 1st of every month.
I know some people on welfare living better than me.and they don't even have to work.

Us working class people have to do this to get paid.

Did you know in the Nursing field you can be tested everyday if they want it.
~T~

 

[gloria460]

Why be sorry Great post..Now to hear what those commie obama liberals have to say about this.....I really would love to hear the counter argument and trust me, I am a "liberal" but those idiots out there make it hard for me to even admit it...

What does Obama liberals have to do with this discussion about random drug test for people on assistance. If you don't like him that's fine but I don't see people who support him as commies..jeez

 

[felicie]

Yeah, he's probably not a commie just a Big Fat Liar.

 

[felicie]

Whose going to pay for drug testing? for how many people? what, every month?

 

[LaurieJim]

Drug testing won't fix this. All it will do is create another point of failure in the bureaucracy chain.

It would cost less to drug test all those that get welfare checks then it would to send politicians and their families to Denmark and other Goverment wasteful things, too many to post..............



This is a separate issue from drug testing. This I can get behind.

If a nurse or a doctor , police and even our military can get drug teated at a moments notice, i for one feel safer and you should too, what about our teachers, i wouldnt want a crack head teaching my children or yours



Drug testing won't fix this either. Should we be advocating for tests for those on disability as well just in case?

No, those that are on disability had to pay into the system and had to fight harder to get it, there are cases where and i have a friend in Calif. that grows her own for medicinal reasons, she worked hard all her life and that eases the pain and its legal.There are some that are on SSI that cant work ever as they suffer from illnesses i hope i never have to experiance, they are not the ones that abuse the system imo.



Or this. Does the system need to be re-evaluated? YES Will drug testing provide some sort of fix for all the issues you listed? NO.
I wouldn't mind a little birth control education to be handed out with checks. Good luck getting anything like that funded with tax dollars in America. The moment you say public funds and birth control half the country loses their minds.

Thats what health departments are for and rubbers are free!!! yes i do think thats where again parenting classes come in, alot of young adults never think about protection just the heat of the moment, well the heat of the moment turns into a baby in 9 months, so yes on parenting classes



First, off there are a lot of legitimate medicines that cause false positives (the Vicks Inhaler for one). Also keep in mind some of the people who receive welfare live are in multi-family homes or tenements. The guys next door could be clambaking day in and day out or the people on the floor above are cooking meth. You can't just say no to breathing.

It all goes back to how we raise our children, do we want them to have a better life ? There are some that dont just care, let their children run the streets instead of putting their foot down and whipping that ass when they need it, sometimes talking doesnt work, but a firm hand to the butt never killed a child, thats another issue so i wont even go there.........If you know of someone cooking meth, call the police, be pro active about where you call home and help keep it safe, one less drug dealer down and off the streets and not hooking children on the shit

I have been snowed in since thursday, so im just spilling my guts, im sorry to offend anyone but with the shape we as a nation and our goverment is in, if we dont speak our minds, nothing gets done, people suffer..............i will be quite now..............laurie

 

[winbig]

Great post RC

I wouldn't mind a little birth control education to be handed out with checks. Good luck getting anything like that funded with tax dollars in America. The moment you say public funds and birth control half the country loses their minds.

There's a handful of states that have passed laws stating that they'll only pay for the kids you already have while you're on welfare; and if you have any more, you won't get a single penny more.

 

[Richard]

WOW! This economy is hanging by a tread. People just don't know how close they are to being in REAL Depression. 2010 will be an awful year for the whole world economy. The US stock market is gonna be 10,000 going downward next week. Commerical Real Estate numbers hasnt been factored in yet. But when it does in the coming months. All hell is gonna break lose. I suspect those who don't do drugs will soon be. This isn't a game folks. ESAU world is coming to an end real soon.

Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. 2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. 3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. 4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. 5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. 6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

 

[Richard]

Dow is at 10,000 and heading below it. We make a new low this year.

World stocks tumbled Friday as ballooning European debt and a rise in U.S. unemployment claims added to fears the global economy could slip back into recession.

Markets from Tokyo to Hong Kong to Seoul dropped about 3 percent or more after Wall Street was hurt by data showing U.S. unemployment claims rose last week. Wobbly government finances in several European countries also dented buying appetite

"We are getting into a situation where stimulus is needed to sustain growth but governments may not be able to finance it," said Dariusz Kowalczyk, chief investment strategist for SJS Markets in Hong Kong.

I would suggest those with understanding. Get yourself prepared. You are living a lie with these online casinos. Get your family prepared. This is it, folks! Soon, you gonna have a lot more to worry about. Then whether RTG payout have changed or not.

"The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD"

"But I have made Esau bare, I have uncovered his secret places, and he shall not be able to hide himself: his seed is spoiled, and his brethren, and his neighbours, and he is not."

The coming of Obama and the Katrina floods.


1 The burden of the valley of vision. What aileth thee now, that thou art wholly gone up to the housetops?
2 Thou that art full of stirs, a tumultuous city, joyous city: thy slain men are not slain with the sword, nor dead in battle.
3 All thy rulers are fled together, they are bound by the archers: all that are found in thee are bound together, which have fled from far.

4 Therefore said I, Look away from me; I will weep bitterly, labour not to comfort me, because of the spoiling of the daughter of my people.

5 For it is a day of trouble, and of treading down, and of perplexity by the Lord GOD of hosts in the valley of vision, breaking down the walls, and of crying to the mountains.

6 And Elam bare the quiver with chariots of men and horsemen, and Kir uncovered the shield.

7 And it shall come to pass, that thy choicest valleys shall be full of chariots, and the horsemen shall set themselves in array at the gate.

8 And he discovered the covering of Judah, and thou didst look in that day to the armour of the house of the forest.

9 Ye have seen also the breaches of the city of David, that they are many: and ye gathered together the waters of the lower pool.

10 And ye have numbered the houses of Jerusalem, and the houses have ye broken down to fortify the wall.

11 Ye made also a ditch between the two walls for the water of the old pool: but ye have not looked unto the maker thereof, neither had respect unto him that fashioned it long ago.

12 And in that day did the Lord GOD of hosts call to weeping, and to mourning, and to baldness, and to girding with sackcloth:

13 And behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine: let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die.

14 And it was revealed in mine ears by the LORD of hosts, Surely this iniquity shall not be purged from you till ye die, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.

15 Thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, Go, get thee unto this treasurer, even unto Shebna, which is over the house, and say,

16 What hast thou here? and whom hast thou here, that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock?

17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee.

18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.

19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down.

20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah:

21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

23 And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house.

 

[rockycatt]

to much dead wood at the top lack of epluribus unum