Piggs Peak?

Enough already

The casinomesiter does not even know any of us. Yet he takes the time to go out of his way to get our monies back when he see's the casino owes us. What does he get for it? Nothing. There are a few casinos he has on his list that I dont care for. it is to each his own as long as the casino is not frauding us and others.You went to another site and complained on there forum.Let them take care of whatever is ailing you. It seems like you want to make the rounds and destroy the casino for whatever reason you have. I personally do not care for that casino either, so I just don't play there anymore and thats that!



sirius said:
I didn't copy my emails to him becase I was just explaining the problem in normal language. I repeated things quite a few times in long emails just trying to make it easier to understand but all I got was one line replies.
Does he really think they were going to respond to me? There isn't even an explanation unless they dream one up which they've had plenty time to. At least he got some sort of answer from them but he obviously doesn't want to go by his word and find out they were in the wrong and remove the ads because he's been paid already.

Your homepage is full of dodgy casinos! Didn't you think you would save a lot of time in resolving complaints if you had more reputable casinos there? You must have had a nightmare with the Casino Rewards group and Casino Tropez group which I saw on your main page. I still currently see the Del Rio (tropez group) unresolved complaint on the winneronline board first page (involves Mr. J) but I saw that casino on your main page. They have cheated lots of players.

This is an example of what Casino Rewards do to deny bonuses already played for (from a player on a message board):


That was from last year but this is a more recent thread about Yukon Gold:
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It shows they have no real desire to be fair. There was also another incident last year when they tried to change wagering requirements retroactively that seemed to go on for ages and lost a lot of players money when they were forced to wager more than agreed.
 
Your homepage is full of dodgy casinos! Didn't you think you would save a lot of time in resolving complaints if you had more reputable casinos there? You must have had a nightmare with the Casino Rewards group and Casino Tropez group which I saw on your main page. I still currently see the Del Rio (tropez group) unresolved complaint on the winneronline board first page (involves Mr. J) but I saw that casino on your main page. They have cheated lots of players.

What a load of bollocks, Sirius. You know damn well that I have had the tightest list of casinos on the Net for the longest time. And I RARELY have to resolve complaints.

With CR - if they ever do not resolve a problem that I bring to them, I would have removed them ages ago - but the few that I have brought up to them have been resolved satisfactorily.

With CT - they had a forced two-month hiatus after the VR problem until I was satisfied they had not intended to cause any problems - and even after that point (about 2 weeks) I left them off for another 6 just to make sure. They were only turned on again at most 3-4 days ago.

I'm not even going to go to your site to pick on your list - simply not on. If you want to buck up against those sites who have proven themselves over time to be a reliable indicator of the industry, be my guest.
 
spearmaster said:
I'm not even going to go to your site to pick on your list - simply not on. If you want to buck up against those sites who have proven themselves over time to be a reliable indicator of the industry, be my guest.


All he has are Referback Casinos.
 
spearmaster said:
What a load of bollocks, Sirius. You know damn well that I have had the tightest list of casinos on the Net for the longest time. And I RARELY have to resolve complaints.

With CR - if they ever do not resolve a problem that I bring to them, I would have removed them ages ago - but the few that I have brought up to them have been resolved satisfactorily.

With CT - they had a forced two-month hiatus after the VR problem until I was satisfied they had not intended to cause any problems - and even after that point (about 2 weeks) I left them off for another 6 just to make sure. They were only turned on again at most 3-4 days ago.

I'm not even going to go to your site to pick on your list - simply not on. If you want to buck up against those sites who have proven themselves over time to be a reliable indicator of the industry, be my guest.

You must be out of touch if you think Casino Rewards and Tropez Group are reputable. They have stolen from players. Didn't you read my message properly before? Even Bet2Gamble has the Tropez group in his 'sites to avoid' list but on the other hand he also has ads for the notorious IGolbal Media casino sites (I think you had ads for IGlobal poker sites).

I also noticed you had Piggs Peak a few weeks ago (maybe you still do).
 
I have a funny feeling that this thread won't be put to rest until Sirius has tried to damage the reputation of every casino group, with the sole exception of the referback casino group.

On the subject of integrity and reputation:

- The casinomeister spends the majority of his time dealing with casino complaints. This is done on his own time (apparently takes up quite a lot of time), and for NO financial reward.
Therefore, it is logical to conclude that he wouldn't dream of promoting a casino which will bring in complaints and take up more of his time for NO financial reward. Does he come across to you as being that stupid? Sheesh!

- Sirius has only one casino group on his website. This is very unusual. Why would any webmaster put all his eggs into one basket. One might conclude that he is, in fact, working as an agent for referback, and has a mandate to tarnish the reputations of their biggest competitors. And Piggs Peak, having surged in popularity recently, would be a logical place to start.

As far as complaints on forums goes:

- Forums are an invaluble source of information for online players. They can get information and opinions from other players about casinos they're wanting to play at, etc.
- Forums are also an invaluable medium for negative people to blow off steam - justly or unjustly - after losing money at a casino. Nothing pisses people off more than losing.....and losing money is the definitive catalyst for hard feelings.

*Having ran two land-based companies (not gambling related, I have a LOT of experience with customer service, and I KNOW that:
- There are people who will bitch about almost anything, from the weather to the size of doggie biscuits, and find fault where none exists.
- There are also people who do not take responsibility for their actions, and pass the blame along.
- There are people who lie.

This is why casino webmasters have to use discretion and investigation to filter out b.s. rantings and distinguish them from legitimate problems that must be dealt with.

Also, people are much more likely to post a complaint than a compliment. That's just human nature. I'm guilty of that myself.

In closing:

WTF, Sirius?

*I must say that by far the majority of customers and other people I have dealt with were delightful, honest and good. It's the minority that makes things harder that they have to be.
 
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I haven't just got Referback casinos but they are the main ones at the moment. Have you wondered why got2bet doesn't promote those sites other than they don't make him much money (the sites that make him the most money aren't necessarily the most reputable)? They are some of the oldest and most established online casinos. The Gaming Club is the only site that has been caught up in problems but it managed to see sense and resolve everything. If only the casinos that you and Got2Bet promote could understand the same thing.

Below are quotes from the Gaming Club from an incident last year. They had already refunded any losses to players denied the bonus before they finally saw sense and gave the bonuses to everyone. Some sites that you and Got2Bet promote have been guilty of making similar mistakes even now. Some of the sites promoted by Got2Bet still fraudulantly and selectively deny bonuses (they won't even refund any losses in the play towards the bonus). Bet2Gamble blacklisted the Tropez group due to the casinos trying this on and not resolving some of the complaints. It's amazing how they can even be thought of as reputable when they've stolen from players. I have more knowledge about what goes on because I am a member of numerous forums, some of which aren't open to most of the public.

You can read more about the Gaming Club incident here: Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

After an extensive review of the circumstances of this promotion, The Gaming Club (GC) hereby acknowledges that a number of substantial mistakes were made in connection with it.

In particular, the promotion (including its terms and conditions) was badly designed, and numerous players were offered the promotion when they should not have been. In addition, once the mistake was made, the manner in which it was responded to did not take into account all of the facts.

Notwithstanding that a number of the players who were excluded should not have received the offer in the first place, GC believes that it is incorrect to exclude players after they take up an offer that has been made to them unless such players blatantly breach the published terms and conditions.

GC therefore apologizes to all players for not acting in accordance with this belief, as well as for taking so long to realize and admit its error.

Steps have been taken to rectify the error by crediting all of the excluded accounts with the previously denied bonuses plus an apology bonus of 10% of the denied amount. All of the affected players have been emailed informing them of this and will also receive courtesy telephone calls from the casino.

Further, the shared industry database of promotion abusers used to exclude some of the players is not part of a fair and transparent process. GC believes that this should also be rectified.

Both of these issues, along with how GC will rectify them, are dealt with in more detail further below for those who are interested.

Finally, GC wishes to apologize to the affected players for the inconvenience and irritation that they have suffered in this process. It is entirely true to state that if GC has been foolish enough to offer an attractive but badly-designed promotion to players, then blame should not be placed upon the players when they seek to take advantage of it.

The inept way in which this promotion was handled has served only to damage the Gaming Club’s reputation, which Gaming Club deeply regrets. The Gaming Club has been in operation since 1995, which it believes gives it legitimate claim to being the world’s first online casino. Since 1995, GC has grown to become one of the largest and most successful online casinos, which is only possible through the winning of player trust through honesty, integrity, fairness and efficiency.

Unfortunately, however, the pressures of fast growth can easily take their toll on the ability of an organization to serve its customers as best possible. GC hopes therefore that all of its players will recognize that the mistakes made in the poor handling of this promotion were honest ones and that players will accept the apologies and restitution made as appropriate signs of GC’s genuine desire to ensure that all online casino players acknowledge GC’s honesty and integrity in the operation of its business.

Gaming Club Casino Management
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As mentioned above, the details of the mistakes made by GC in this process are listed below, along with how GC intends to rectify each instance:

1. The terms and conditions were unclear, and most of the players who were later deemed to be ineligible to receive the promotion should never have been offered it in the first place.

GC believes that the exclusion of players known only to make use of promotional offers without ever risking their own funds is entirely justifiable and necessary in order to ensure that honest gamblers can continue to receive generous rewards for their ongoing play at the casino.

However, it is unfair to apply this rule after players have been offered the promotion on an individual basis.

Further, the casino’s general terms and conditions at the time that the promotion was offered were unclear as to the application of this rule, while the terms and conditions stated in the promotion offer email did not make any mention of the applicability of any terms and conditions other than those stated in the offer email.

GC accepts that it could have avoided the resulting uproar entirely had proper effort been made to exclude ineligible players in advance of the promotion offer being mailed out.

GC usually does filter its promotion offers in order to include only genuine players (other than for sign-on bonuses, where generic terms and conditions apply), and will ensure that such a lapse in filtering does not happen again.

To rectify this situation, GC has credited all of the previously excluded accounts with the bonuses previously refused, along with a further 10% of the bonus amount in order to make up for the poor handling of this matter.

The wagering requirements published with this promotion will apply before any cash-outs will be allowed. This means that the minimum amount to be wagered will be three times the sum of the purchase plus the bonus (excluding the additional 10% of the bonus amount). For example, if a player purchased $1,000 and should have received a bonus of $100, such a player will now find $110 in their account, and will be required to wager 3 x ($1,000 + $100) = $3,300 before cashing in. Any wagers made since the time of the original $1,000 purchase will count towards this requirement, providing that the wagers were placed on eligible games.

2. The promotion was poorly designed.

A promotion of this nature should have required a minimum wagering level (on eligible games) before any bonus could be granted. Such a requirement would have removed any incentive for promotion hunters to exploit the bonus with minimum risk to their own funds, while still giving genuine players value for money.

Future promotions will be better designed to minimize any incentive for promotion abuse, while still ensuring that genuine players obtain value for money from the promotion.

3. The “shared industry database” currently being used to exclude known promotion abusers is not part of a transparent process in which players have the ability to seek the removal of their names if they have been unfairly added to the database.

A central database of known promotion abusers is something that all genuine players should welcome, as reducing the possibility of promotion abuse allows casinos to offer more generous bonuses to their genuine players.

However, as with all such databases, it is necessary for players to be able to query their inclusion in the database, and also to have opportunity to seek their removal if their inclusion is without good reason or if they have made genuine effort to make good on the reason why they were included in the first place.

GC intends to work with other online casinos to establish a transparent and fair mechanism for operating such a database. In particular, such operation must include the participation of an independent party, acceptable to both players and the casinos, who would act as the independent arbiter in disputes arising in respect of whether or not a player should be included in the database.

As would be expected, securing the co-operation of various parties (along with finding an acceptable independent arbiter) will take some time, but hopefully this will prove to be a workable solution to this problem. The Gaming Club will keep players and this forum updated on its progress in this regard.

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Bet2gamble now advertises Casino Tropez. I don't know why the change.

I remember that Gaming Club incident, there was a lot on WoL about it, they handled it beautifully.

Sirius isn't a shill for Referback. He's a longtime poster on many message boards.

I've seen some DelRio and Tropez complaints, I'll direct players to Casinomeister and Bet2gamble.

There are now so many boards it's difficult to keep track of them all; some posters have different handles for different boards, some the same; some are regulars, some are one-shots.
 
I don't know if he is advertsiing Casino Tropez any more (he was a while ago). I doubt he is at the moment because he still has it on his sites to avoid list with this warning:

No Pay, In the Summer of 2003, sister site Casino Del Rio refused to pay some players because they won at Casino Tropez claiming that these players were not welcome at Casino Del Rio. Only problem was, Casino Del Rio never told them that, let the players deposit, and after they tried to withdraw their money denied them their winnings. Shot taking at its finest.

He had quite a few complaints and some were unresolved.

It was fixed for some, but not for all players like MrJ and a few others.
 
they handled it beautifully

Excuse me?

After a HELL of a lot of pressure put on them from various different sources and after many weeks of no response. That thread doesn't even begin to reflect the amount of work done behind the scenes to get them to resolve the issue.

And I have NEVER carried anything for Iglobalmedia, so quit pretending you know it all and get off your high chair. You don't know shit about my criteria. You have watched me for four years and you know that you are talking shit. Lest we forget, your background comes from bonus hunting, while I have worked my ass off to make this industry better. I attend practically every conference as a participant or as a speaker. You didn't even attend one in your area, or at least you couldn't be bothered to let us know you were sneaking about. You don't have the faintest clue about Iglobalmedia or any other software provider except what you have seen in the forums. You make no effort to discover the truth, instead choosing to say whatever suits YOUR purposes.

I work my ass off for this industry, same as Bryan does. I doubt the same could be said about you - so get the hell off our backs until you have some DECENT reason to complain. I'm perfectly willing to take my lumps when I deserve them; this is not one of those occasions.
 
spearmaster said:
I work my ass off for this industry, same as Bryan does. I doubt the same could be said about you - so get the hell off our backs until you have some DECENT reason to complain. I'm perfectly willing to take my lumps when I deserve them; this is not one of those occasions.

Ditto on that, Sirius.
 
spearmaster said:
Excuse me?

After a HELL of a lot of pressure put on them from various different sources and after many weeks of no response. That thread doesn't even begin to reflect the amount of work done behind the scenes to get them to resolve the issue.

And I have NEVER carried anything for Iglobalmedia, so quit pretending you know it all and get off your high chair. You don't know shit about my criteria. You have watched me for four years and you know that you are talking shit. Lest we forget, your background comes from bonus hunting, while I have worked my ass off to make this industry better. I attend practically every conference as a participant or as a speaker. You didn't even attend one in your area, or at least you couldn't be bothered to let us know you were sneaking about. You don't have the faintest clue about Iglobalmedia or any other software provider except what you have seen in the forums. You make no effort to discover the truth, instead choosing to say whatever suits YOUR purposes.

I work my ass off for this industry, same as Bryan does. I doubt the same could be said about you - so get the hell off our backs until you have some DECENT reason to complain. I'm perfectly willing to take my lumps when I deserve them; this is not one of those occasions.

This is stupid. I'm pretty sure you had empire poker on your site before (before this, I noticed Party Poker on GameMaster's site even though I thought he blacklisted the group). To say you work your 'ass off for this industry' is a bit much. You seem to mainly work for your own benefit.

I was only initially pointing out the problems with Piggs Peak. I probably helped resolve it with this player and you can see Lew's emails in the thread:
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but
the player obviously wasn't the only person who had the same problem. After it was fixed for him, he was told by them that they changed their policy about this so it wouldn't happen again. Most people (both you and casinomeister included) thought it was resolved but strangely, Lew Koor didn't reply to any more emails after I asked him how many other people were affected by this policy. Subsequently more problems have happened since.

If you look at what happened later ( page 6
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) you'll see they didn't really learn from it at all, anyway. That was only one of quite a few threads just on winneronline about the group.

Gaming Club didn't take too long to resolve the problem (about four weeks- I wonder what happened to Brad Wright, the casino manager). The similar problems with the casinos your are promoting haven't been resolved and you don't seem to care. Gaming Club had promised to refund any losses to the players they didn't initially give the bonus to but they eventually gave everyone the bonuses plus an extra 10%. I still don't believe it was something to do with a negative database. Some were given other bonuses days earlier. They claimed only 29 out of 1647 weren't given the bonus, but they happened to be the biggest depositors.
 
sirius said:
This is stupid. I'm pretty sure you had empire poker on your site before (before this, I noticed Party Poker on GameMaster's site even though I thought he blacklisted the group). To say you work your 'ass off for this industry' is a bit much. You seem to mainly work for your own benefit.

Try the Wayback machine. You remember shit that didn't even happen. And yes I do work my ass off for this industry and I don't sit here and gloat about it either.

I was only initially pointing out the problems with Piggs Peak. I probably helped resolve it with this player and you can see Lew's emails in the thread:
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but
the player obviously wasn't the only person who had the same problem. After it was fixed for him, he was told by them that they changed their policy about this so it wouldn't happen again. Most people (both you and casinomeister included) thought it was resolved but strangely, Lew Koor didn't reply to any more emails after I asked him how many other people were affected by this policy. Subsequently more problems have happened since.

:notworthy

Please... spare me the drivel. You do not have any inkling of what was done to help resolve the problem - but you DO remember that you probably helped resolve it. Sheesh...

Had you spared a moment of your precious time in London you could have met Lew Koor in person.

If you look at what happened later ( page 6
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) you'll see they didn't really learn from it at all, anyway. That was only one of quite a few threads just on winneronline about the group.

Gaming Club didn't take too long to resolve the problem (about four weeks- I wonder what happened to Brad Wright, the casino manager).

And what, pray tell, did you have to do with this?

The similar problems with the casinos your are promoting haven't been resolved and you don't seem to care. Gaming Club had promised to refund any losses to the players they didn't initially give the bonus to but they eventually gave everyone the bonuses plus an extra 10%. I still don't believe it was something to do with a negative database. Some were given other bonuses days earlier. They claimed only 29 out of 1647 weren't given the bonus, but they happened to be the biggest depositors.
Gaming Club were TOLD that they had better resolve it in an amicable manner with compensation for the trouble. Surely you do NOT believe they offered it of their own goodwill?

Believe what you will. I won't tell you exactly what influence was exerted in either situation. If you would like all the credit, be my guest.

I'm not going to say anything more on this silly topic. You have an agenda which you wish to fulfill, be my guest - but NOT at my expense unless you have some real information and facts.

And stop accusing me of things which did not happen, or are "perceived" or whatever - before I get really pissed off and take further action.
 
Is there something wrong with Party Poker? I play with fake money there now but want to try real dough soon. Thanks.

Tim
 
It's an IglobalMedia site (they have casino sites such as planet luck and starluck). They used to have rigged casino games and stole money from many players. They claimed to have fair games on most of their sites. I remember all the way through 1999 and 2000 they were advertised everywhere by casino portals because they gave away unheard of commissions (50%). They stole from all these players and the portal owners advertised them because they made more money from the rigged software.

They have done nothing to resolve any of this. They had issues with webmasters too and the stats were wrong or fixed at times. Search for Jerry Garner posts on winneronline.com messageboard for even more info on the company, including their shady past and investors.


I'm still curious as to why got2bet removed the tropez group from his site if it's not because they are not reputable (as mentioned on another thread).

Got2Bet wrote-
With CT (casino tropez)- they had a forced two-month hiatus after the VR problem until I was satisfied they had not intended to cause any problems - and even after that point (about 2 weeks) I left them off for another 6 just to make sure. They were only turned on again at most 3-4 days ago.

So why did they only last a few days more this time before you pulled them down? You can't have given them enough time to see how well they were 'performing' in your stats! Why was I wrong to think it was due to me posting on here and you discovering they are not so reputable? What other reason was there? Do you still think they are reputable?
 
I hope you're seeing a therapist, siruis.

And, You need to back up your allegations against Party Poker in order to be credible.

It is irresponsible as a casino portal operator to post a public message like the one you just did without anything to back it up.

As far as I am concerned, you have no credibility anymore. Not after this b.s. thread.
 
Sirius is correct in his summary of iGlobalMedia's history.

They opened and operated casinos with rigged software for a period of time. They told me that they did not know it was rigged and it was the programmers' doing. During this period they also did wrong by Jerry Garner. They told me they had new casino software. This is the software the Wizard tested and came up fair.

Later, they opened Party Poker, and it has been a big money maker for them. as far as I know, there have been no complaints about Party Poker.
 
mary said:
Sirius is correct in his summary of iGlobalMedia's history.

They opened and operated casinos with rigged software for a period of time. They told me that they did not know it was rigged and it was the programmers' doing. During this period they also did wrong by Jerry Garner. They told me they had new casino software. This is the software the Wizard tested and came up fair.

Later, they opened Party Poker, and it has been a big money maker for them. as far as I know, there have been no complaints about Party Poker.

I haven't heard anything negative about Party Poker, either. I wasn't saying that Sirius is wrong, per se, I am just annoyed that he takes pot shots at others. To me, this lessens his credibility.

Seriously, Sirius, If you have valuable information to share with other gamers and webmasters, stick to the facts and don't go veering off in other, less noble directions - or we'll sick brazenhussy on ya!
 
I'm still curious as to why got2bet removed the tropez group from his site if it's not because they are not reputable (as mentioned on another thread).


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Got2Bet wrote-
With CT (casino tropez)- they had a forced two-month hiatus after the VR problem until I was satisfied they had not intended to cause any problems - and even after that point (about 2 weeks) I left them off for another 6 just to make sure. They were only turned on again at most 3-4 days ago.

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So why did they only last a few days more this time before you pulled them down? You can't have given them enough time to see how well they were 'performing' in your stats! Why was I wrong to think it was due to me posting on here and you discovering they are not so reputable? What other reason was there? Do you still think they are reputable?

Do you not understand "mind your own business"?

It's none of your business - what you say has absolutely zero influence on what I do so GET OVER IT already. I am not obligated to tell you my reasons for any of the actions I take, whether they be related to managing my site or why I was up at 3 pm instead of 9 am.

Just because a casino does not appear on my site does not automatically mean it's not reputable.
 
blazinghussy said:
Hmmm, I've never been sicced on anyone before. Could be fun. ;)

There was prom night '81 when I was sick on my date. Not the same thing? Never mind then.
 
Info for TAR (Tim) regarding Party Poker

Hi Tim,

I play at Party Poker all the time and never had a problem with cashing in. I have friends that play there every single day and they play the high limit tournaments. They are consistent winners, in fact, one even won $53,000 for winning the Saturday night 200K guaranteed tourney. He was paid promptly and without any problem. Tim, everyone here pretty much knows me and I am not affiliated/nor do I shill for Party Poker. I just wanted to give you information about this poker site, and you can trust them when you choose to play for real money. Good Luck.
 
To Sirius

Sirius, I do not know your real motive for coming here and bashing Bryan, Spear, or anyone else. However, one thing I do know is that you are wasting your time.
Bryan and Spear are considered to be very honest, credible and hardworking by everyone on this forum. If you are looking to boost your own morale, or toot your own horn, at their expense.....I suggest you read a few self help books or take Rowmare's advice and get some therapy.
 
SHILL SHILL!!!

Ooops, it Linda. Nevermind, sorry! :D


linda7 said:
Hi Tim,

I play at Party Poker all the time and never had a problem with cashing in. I have friends that play there every single day and they play the high limit tournaments. They are consistent winners, in fact, one even won $53,000 for winning the Saturday night 200K guaranteed tourney. He was paid promptly and without any problem. Tim, everyone here pretty much knows me and I am not affiliated/nor do I shill for Party Poker. I just wanted to give you information about this poker site, and you can trust them when you choose to play for real money. Good Luck.
 

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