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Piggs Peak?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by sirius, Feb 4, 2004.

  1. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Have you just added Piggs Peak to the reputable casinos? That's ridiculous.
  2. mary

    mary Dormant account

    They used to be fine, but yep I'm seeing some problems with them popping up on fora.
  3. rowmare

    rowmare Dormant account

    First I've heard anything bad about Pigg's Peak.

    Would you please give a little more information?
  4. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member


    I haven't heard diddly squat about any wrong doings or problems with them, and as you know I have a pretty good inkling what is going on out there. If you have a problem with them, or if you are aware of something evil, it's best you let me know what it is specifically instead of posting something as vague as you did.
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2004
  5. thesmacker

    thesmacker Most Annoying Forum Member of 2006

    Heres a dousy:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
  6. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member


    That was last April and I believe cleared up before I met up with them in May.

    So who is having a problem with them besides Sirius? Speak up, I want to know. If there are any problems or unresolved issues spit them out. I want to hear about it.

    By the way, the majority of those postings at WOL were just rants. Seven pages that could have been condensed in to one.

    Topped off by my buddy Rainfall, sheesh!
  7. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    That was just the tip of the iceberg. Do you really think this was the only player who was denied the bonus?? Later in that same thread were details of more recent problems. That's not the only thing they did either.

    What about this thread: You must register/login in order to see the link.
  8. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Jesus, Sirius!

    Do you seriously think I hang out in other peoples portals taking note of every player who complains about bonuses or whatever? If you have a gripe then give me a synopsis or send the players to me.

    Since April, I've received over 650 complaints in the "Pitch a Bitch" section alone. This does not include players contacting me directly, or those who complain via the forum.

    I have one complaint for Piggs Peak from October, from an underaged player who hit a royal flush. That's it.

    I find that most of the complaints posted in forums are either blown out of proportion by all of the players chiming in, or it's player fraud. I'm not saying that this case is, but if you have a serious complaint, go to the source or to those who can bring you there.

    I run this portal and not WOL's, nor Gonegambling's, Bet2gamble, etc. This is my turf and if players have a beef with this casino (or any) then they need to let me know, not send me off to cyberworld because I simply don't have the time.
  9. rowmare

    rowmare Dormant account

    I read the threads you linked, Sirius.

    It's a thread full of people defending Piggs Peak after you trash it. That just doesn't prove anything, except that you may be mistaken.
  10. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    You can't have read the threads I linked to (which one did you go to?). I noticed you are promoting the group on your site so I suppose I can understand why you are blind to the truth.

    It's a similar problem with Casinomeister and even WizardofOdds (e.g. ClubDice group and Swiss group). They have been prepaid to advertise these casinos so they can't easily stop the agreement and are very reluctant to anyway. It would help if there was some discussion beforehand. Piggs Peak obviously shouldn't be among the reputable casinos. So many players have had problems with them if you read the threads and they aren't just unknown posters either. You should recognisee zrapture, Don Gambler, Dirk Dangerous, bart and curuso and others who recognise they are not reputable. I don't know how many people need to complain. The vast majority of players won't complain on any message board.
  11. rowmare

    rowmare Dormant account

    Prepaid? You couldn't be further from the truth. There is no prepaid agreement, we can remove the banners at will, with the speed of an FTP upload, and I certainly remove the banners from any casino which has proven to be less than 100% reputable, honest and safe to bet at. My responsibility is to the players alone, and to the best of my knowledge, that is the attitude of the casinos who are presented on my pages.

    That is why I read the forums, and why I am reading this one right now, and will be looking into it personally.
  12. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    That's a load of crap, and you know it. For some reason you have a chip on your shoulder and you want me to knock it off. I don't play these games.

    The majority of players who have problems come to me, and I'm sure you are very aware of this fact. The ones who don't are usually ones who either a) don't know about this site or b) are fraudsters.

    You also know damn well that I've dropped casinos from this site. Look what happened to the Grand Banks crew. I was probably the first to go on record about their exploits.

    What I would like to know, what gives? What bee has all of the sudden gotten under your bonnet? You are one of the oldtimers here. To lambast me like this is a bit out of character. What's up with that?

    Or are you just trying to start an argument?
  13. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    I wasn't trying to start an argument. It's unusual you mentioned Grand Banks because I don't even remember when you stopped recommending them (only Black Widow). I think it was only when you met some guy from the group quite recently at a conference that they all got rogued so why do you refer to them as the 'Grand Banks crew'. They were always slow paying. I was complaining about their slow-pay at the beginning when they started. They advertised here for ages though. The only thing I remember is you removing Black Widow for a high roller bonus problem but you didn't have much choice. It seemed to take months to do so though and here is a thread that mentioned something about it: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187&page=1&pp=10

    The only reason I remember this was I couldn't understand why you still had Grand Banks in the reputable list when they were in the same casino group! You said something about them having different management. I suppose the reason you didn't blacklist Grand Banks too at the same time was that you still had some advertising to do for them. That's the problem I mentioned and it isn't a load of crap. I didn't realise at that time they were paying to be on that list.

    Also, how do you know most players who have a problem come to you?

    P.S. rowmare, I wasn't referring to you in that paragraph. I know you don't have prepaid advertising but that is how Casinomeister works. In case you didn't know, all the casinos in the reputable list here have paid for advertising.
  14. mary

    mary Dormant account

    Piggs Peak aff program uses software that might be shaving stats. There's recent posts at Casino Affiliate Programs.

    That's all I know.
  15. rowmare

    rowmare Dormant account

    :eek2: ...... oh ........
  16. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Gee thanks Sirius for turning my forum into a pissing contest:

    Advertising for ages is relative. It was for about 1.5 years. Black Widow was rogued, seriously rogued in November 2002 http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/blackwidow.html

    Since GB or Sterling House was not involved in this, I did not think it was fair to include them in this situation. This was made clear a number of times.

    After meeting with Brian Woods and he explained the reasonings behind the slow payments where they all placed in the rogue section. You should know this since I made this perfectly clear a number of times.

    Gee, I didn't know you were privy to all the mechanics that make Casinomeister work. Before you start supposing and assuming things, why don't you ask me why and how casinos get listed?

    Mainly from my contacts with software providers and the casino operators themselves. When a casino fails for instance, I'll receive the complaints I get - I compare this with the list of players owed money via the software provider to see if there are any stragglers, and it's usually pretty damn close. I also get a lot of referals from the IGC (the real IGC) and other casino groups.

    Players shouldn't have to come to me, but I make myself available if and when they do. I don't get paid to do it, and I do it on my own time. Should I start referring them to you?

    Again, good going at dissing me in my own forum with misinformation. Since you seem to know so well how advertising works here, how about explaining it in detail to everyone. What exact agreements do I have with these casinos, what are the expectations, and what is the price?

    I'd really like to know.
  17. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

    I don't think they're shaving. But their stats definitely leave something to be desired, the site is not exactly the most reliable in terms of updates.
  18. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Well I don't know how it works. All I know is that you get paid to advertise them for a certain time and they disappear off the reputable list when the advertising campaign stops or isn't renewed. I also heard you meet with them before you start advertising them and they have to abide by certain rules of conduct but it doesn't make it easy for you to remove them from the list.
  19. rowmare

    rowmare Dormant account

    I think the assumption that Casinomeister would leave a Casino's advertisements on his pages as a recommended casino if there were any solid evidence that they may be less than reputable is rediculous.

    What is more important, an outstanding reputation for honesty in the industry (which the meister has) or one measly contract?

    In terms of money, the reputation is far more valuable than advertising any single casino or casino group.
  20. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    That is from casinomeister. Piggs Peak haven't got a clean history. Below is from Wizard of odds:

    Here are the changes he made this year:

    Wizard isn't actually genuinely interested in any of this and his attitude has been appalling. It seems ok now to advertise casinos that break his rules as long as the players don't click on his links. I've explained to him that Club Dice don't resolve the problem or even reply to me and when I contacted him months ago (when he advertised them) and he didn't seem at all interested in resolving it and also have since given him more evidence of problems with other players which he completely dismisses.

    I also contacted Club Dice again recently and only got a reply saying I would get a response shorty but never have. This was what Wizard wrote when I contacted him again recently. It was very shortly before he put the Club Dice ads back up but I had no idea he was about to put them back up on his site (he probably had already been paid for the ads)

    I kept sending him more evidence in emails of problems with other players too but he always replied with one line emails (I am copying a few below):

    and (I also asked him to add my link on his site):



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