Online slots are extremely toxic

[goatwack]

I'm starting 'Miserly March' a day early, I must say the circus becomes tiresome and so it's good to take a step back once in a while.

It IS a good feeling to detox, have done it before for a good few weeks, and certainly a lot better than the daily grind and stress from a supposed 'relaxing' hobby

 

[Bloatgoat]

When i would leave the landbased, won or not, it was way more easy to drop it off my shoulders. Online has such a sickening impact.

 

[dionysus]

i find landbased, the oppostie to be true, like there's some sort of obligation to stay since i made the effort to go - whether because we took the bus, or drove, or with friends
at home, i just close the tab and wach tv

 

[mcgameboy]

I'm starting 'Miserly March' a day early, I must say the circus becomes tiresome and so it's good to take a step back once in a while.

It IS a good feeling to detox, have done it before for a good few weeks, and certainly a lot better than the daily grind and stress from a supposed 'relaxing' hobby

Funny you say that mate. I'm actually considering taking a break from slots for the duration of Lent.

 

[slotter999]

@Bloatgoat How much do you think you wagered during your online gambles and how much did you end up losing overall?

 

[Bloatgoat]

i find landbased, the oppostie to be true, like there's some sort of obligation to stay since i made the effort to go - whether because we took the bus, or drove, or with friends
at home, i just close the tab and wach tv

That all depends on your motivation to go out. Nobody forces you to stay actually. I understand once your in you like it and want to stay, but the best approach would be discipline, leave at the right moment.

@Bloatgoat How much do you think you wagered during your online gambles and how much did you end up losing overall?

I'm not going to put numbers, but you could buy a 2nd hand used tesla over the years. I feel like shit realising this that i've wasted countless of hours and money on online gambling.

 

[dionysus]

That all depends on your motivation to go out. Nobody forces you to stay actually. I understand once your in you like it and want to stay, but the best approach would be discipline, leave at the right moment.

well, if youre the ride, or the bus goes in another 4 hrs, youre rather stuck
at home, i just do something else

 

[Bloatgoat]

Take a uber. Really easy.

 

[dionysus]

Take a uber. Really easy.

my mother figuring out an uber...or my aunt
not terribly likely - nor for a 100km ride

 

[dionysus]

see,the whole point stands
not everyone's situation is yours, not everyone's experience is yours
online is not neceassrily toxic because it doesnt happen to be your cup of tea
different strokes, different folks

 

[dunover]

There used to be a volatility coefficient seen on some casino info.

If a 6-reel game with 10-row strips had a 96% RTP, one payline for 6OAK and sevens in every position, you'd win 96p every £1 spin and the volatility would be 0.000

If a 6-reel game with 10-row strips had a 96% RTP, one payline for 6OAK and seven only once per reel, you'd win £960,000 once per million spins and the volatility would be 1.000

Those are the extremes obviously, so say we now had 20 paylines only working on 6OAK. You would now have 20x £48,000 wins per million spins, 96% RTP etc. but now your volatility figure would be 0.050

IIRC a volatile game would have a figure of something like 0.0038, a low-variance one 0.0017.

I can't remember exactly where I saw these figures, may have been on one developer's games or one casino, many years ago.

@trancemonkey will probably know what I am getting at here and will be able to identify the figure's meaning and how it was worked out.

But I definitely remember seeing it once.

 

[Bloatgoat]

my mother figuring out an uber...or my aunt
not terribly likely - nor for a 100km ride

Install an app, attach a CC to the uber's account, open it, and tell your mom, Mom, put in the adress where you wanna go, you see the price for the ride, and they can be here in within 2 minutes. It's twice as cheap compared to a regular taxi and the service is excellent. That's all there is to it.

see,the whole point stands
not everyone's situation is yours, not everyone's experience is yours
online is not neceassrily toxic because it doesnt happen to be your cup of tea
different strokes, different folks

I almost feel sorry for the generation that has'nt seen anything else then internet play.

 

[dionysus]

it isnt that simple when youre 78, congrats on your tech savvy

why feel sorry - theyve still the option of both

 

[sufferinsilence]

Take a uber. Really easy.

Never took an Uber but just checked it out for the sake of the discussion and Uber isn't even available at my location. There's also no b&m casino in the vicinity that I could easily travel to with public transportation having to take a bus to the train station and then a train to the closest b&m casino location which would be around 2hr travel one-way.

In the end it would cost me more in traveling costs than what I lose online

 

[dionysus]

Never took an Uber but just checked it out for the sake of the discussion and Uber isn't even available at my location. There's also no b&m casino in the vicinity that I could easily travel to with public transportation having to take a bus to the train station and then a train to the closest b&m casino location which would be around 2hr travel one-way.

In the end it would cost me more in traveling costs than what I lose online

my town doesnt even HAVE public transit

 

[Bloatgoat]

Ah well in my area there's a ton of ubers around. They are really fast (within 2 minutes at my place) and often their service is A+. Imagine, fresh water, candy and all in the back. Your music of choice etc. They really do a worthwile job compared to regular taxi's, having their lowsy tricks to bump up the ride price.

 

[dionysus]

then there's the ubers its just a car and a discount rate - it isnt universal and there isnt a set standard

 

[goatwack]

Ah well in my area there's a ton of ubers around. They are really fast (within 2 minutes at my place) and often their service is A+. Imagine, fresh water, candy and all in the back. Your music of choice etc. They really do a worthwile job compared to regular taxi's, having their lowsy tricks to bump up the ride price.

I think you may have just exposed the great taxi cover-up, the dark and murky world of the Taxi Cabal

 

[Bloatgoat]

I think you may have just exposed the great taxi cover-up, the dark and murky world of the Taxi Cabal

UBERS RTP IS MISLEADING!

 

[Fredos386]

Haa forums always crowded with casino industry employees there to strike harrass, shame and bully anyone trying to say anything against it. Well i don't really care what you say as i know why you are here and why you do/say what you do. Anyway i already rambled about slots not being random and honestly months laters i still didn't have any proof of anything different. When you deposit with a bonus, it's like when you deposit it triggers "yes/no" meaning if you hit yes, then you can win, and i mean "can" not guaranteed and if "no" then you just can't do anything no matter what you do you will rip. I had the chance to test that multiple and really hundreds of times with casinos offering high max bet limit and table games available. I would deposit with bonus, try slots and if they rip af i go all in roulette and if win i go back to slots. And every single time i was ripping and win all in roulette i would go back just to rip even more, even once had to win double triple up balance on roulette 5-6 times and still not even beat wager. It's like there's a big hand over your head that decides, yes or no. Spins are not random and each is independant from the other, they follow cycles and you can clearly figure the algorythm going on. I streamed a lot, not much anymore, but i could predict and tell viewers after some spins what will happen, and not obvious things like "hey i won't hit 2000x in next 10 spins" but clearly how the whole deposit would go. A bit scary really. And live, if you hit big on a slot and it goes cold, you can always switch to another, but online it's like you're always sitting on the same and when it paid, it paid, you doomed. Lucks happen, i had them but i will explain next how it happened and let you guess.

When i started playing online, i would play casually, 1-2-3 times a month, small deposits, no biggy. I would barely ever win anything big but still would have some playtime every now and then. One day i found twitch and made some friends that told me at this point if i'm playing i should just stream for fun so i did. I started playing much more and deposit way more and suddenly, boom hitting huge left and right.. over and over.. for weeks. Wow, amazing, well hmm it was phase 1 "they see your traffic increasing and they want to hook you good so they pay some to achieve that". Then it slowered, i didn't increase bet or amount of deposits etc so it's like the system thought, well it won't go further so let's eat. So after weeks of tilt and rip i decided to try some biggers bets, why not, im ripping deposits after deposits, lasting 4 minutes instead of 8 shouldn't change much. So i try bigger bets, bam boom boom bam omegas left and right, biggest wins "x" and "$" ever wow... Phase 2: casino know you are a daily player with potential and they see you are betting more so they target the prey and throw at you all the fireworks to hook you good and take your house. But i wasn't into getting in higher stakes, i don't like losing 1k in a day honestly hehe. So i didn't push further more, i went back to my low stakes and... it's like the system said "oh dam he wasn't going high stakes he was just trolling and we gave him thousands dam". And since then, it has been months, i lose, lose, lose, lose hundreds of deposits, lose lose. Can't win anything anywhere, will lose thousands of "x" straight over a week without wagering ever much more than 2-3x my starting balance. Then after losing so much i would go back try a yolo run on higher stakes boom! 500x! comeback! System still hoping i'll go higher stakes? I go back to small stakes, rip rip rip rip and when i say rip, it's not like ripping 15-20 deposits over a while and wonder wtf happened, i know in the past it always took me a good 15-20 deposits before i get a good cash out so im no fool. I am talking about hundreds/thousands of deposits where i would cash out a little once in a while but always getting nothing more thna 70% RTP. So at this point, after months, thousands of deposits, always the same joke, im about done. I never expected to win, i know what a casino is. I just thought if i play a 96% RTP game, then i should be able to wager 2500$ for each 100$ i lose in the long run. I didn't think i'd come to a point where over hundreds of thousands of spins i wouldnt ever get much more than 300-500$ wager with my 100$. It's like paying 20$ for a movie and you sit and it lasts 2 minutes and "the end". And you are like, wtf.

 

[Fredos386]

Finally, casinos do cheat and they really don't care. Last year yggdrasil golden monkey glitched on me and removed stick wilds on reel 2-4 when the wild on reel 3 landed. I was streaming so had it recorded, but after a few days leovegas came back to me saying "hmm no we got infos from provider and there was no malfunction". So i put my record on youtube, hey few hours laters "oh sorry there was a malfunction we compensated you in your account". Ok well "maybe"? Then sometimes later i get 17 blue with a square 2x on reactoonz, it does the 100x+ sound and im like yay something, i waas just betting 40p so was winning 60$. Then the sound glitch, i get paid 10x and it says i had 14 no 2x. I was playing on superlenny, few days later "there was no malfunction, here we provided you proof in the email" they had sent me a excel spreadsheet of a win that wasn't even mine and never wanted to compensate me ever, for 56$? They lost my business. Then recently on rizk casino. I play slots but miracle, wow, i win?!?! After hundreds of rips in a row, i win!??! But oops slots now going cold af so i decide to go black jack live games, well can't be fakked here right? So do 5-10$ hands here and there then decided... ok balance is 250$.. i deposited 24$.. miracle for me at this point, i will do a 50$ all in hand... if i win i get to 300$ and go back to slots, if i lose.. i cash out 200$.. gg. So i bet 50$, get drawn 7, i go to click "hit" oops the only time ever on rizk i get disconnected and can't hit when it's exactly THE hand i bet 50$ and where i got 7 and if i can't hit pretty much sure to lose. I can't log back in i try i try, then about the time of the hand finishing 1-2 minute, oops i can get back in. Not only have i lost my 50$ bet but they took it twice! 100$ removed. I instantly contact them, "no malfunction, we will investigate with provider evolution gaming". Then few days later "provider was able to supply enough evidence that YOU lost your internet connection and your balance before the hand was 200$ not 250$ so the 50$ wasn't taken twice. The decision is final". I argue to them i have proof, but nothing to be done... Then i decide fine, i send them just a few screen shots from the proofs i had on them. They went mute, complete silence. Never replied me again. I complain and open PAB and after 2 weeks they couldn't provide the "proof" they claimed they had, they credited 100$ to my account and that's it. Of course i went to play it and it went straight to 0 betting 40-60p yay easy. But then, all 3 exemples here, the casinos and providers have been proven, wrong, have been proven to be fraudulently scamming me and pretending there was no mistake. In all cases casinos never got anything, no fine, no nothing, they just payback what they tried to steal and life goes on? How in the world!? Rizk fraud was 1 month ago or so. Have they ever had any issue? No. They can just scam whoever all they want, then if proved guilty, just payback but keep the other money they stole from all the other players that couldn't provide evidence of their claims. Easy life.

So yeah, if you didn't like my slots story or how it works really in a super shady non random way, at least you have to take a minute to consider the last part. Where they cause or not malfunction on slots to steal players and if player ask them for help, they openly scam the player without any remorse or anything, they don't care about you. I thought live tables were last resort, but obviously no as they proved they could fraud you easily there too. Big brands, big names, shareholders, but openly frauding. Yay. And funny (i didn't complain about it i just didn't care at that point) i played roulette after black jack scam on other casino thinking at least with roulette you don't have to do any actions after betting, once bet placed even if you "disconnect" it won't change anything. Yeah... So i bet, lose, bet lose, bet lose, bet... 1 second before ball lands "bet refused" and it lands.. i wouldve won... then bet lose bet lose.. then just leave and go play some video games lol. Of course i didn't open PAB and go full out rampage over that roulette cauz, yeah maybe, it couldve happened and that's it... i let go about 99 faks for 1 i complain about hehe. But well yeah, even videoslots i tried it after years of people talking to me about it, i win.. cash out, win cash out.. win cash out wow i found a casino that pays! Win again, go to cash out.. no... need more docs, no declined, declined, then they ask me for a picture that cannot be taken without being a professional in a studio for that crazy quality, they wanted picture of me holding ID, but ID had to be HD along with my face in HD... im not pro in photo but isn't the focus getting a part of the picture clean and rest is flawed or something or it's just me? Anyway they declined what hundred of other casinos accepted. Maybe they didn't like that i was winning? So never played again there. I just strongly believe that when you are a casual player on a casino they don't care scamming frauding you, delaying documents even declining them forever because you are not valuable customer. But if you play on same few casinos daily and deposit a lot then you won't get any issue, all big wins will be paid simply because the casino knows they will get it back. So yeah online casinos are toxic, they cheat, fraud scam and trust me i don't know any slots that ever paid 96% RTP to anyone over the years. I wonder who is the guy that got 5000x on bod a dozen times .

 

[Fredos386]

Btw the black jack scam with rizk, not only did they deny but they said my balance was 200$ not 250$.. then said my bet was 25$ not 50$. They lied left and right trying to convince me, no shame at all. I still have all the emails exchange with them if it interest anyone hehe.

 

[mack341]

Btw the black jack scam with rizk, not only did they deny but they said my balance was 200$ not 250$.. then said my bet was 25$ not 50$. They lied left and right trying to convince me, no shame at all. I still have all the emails exchange with them if it interest anyone hehe.

fredos, some of your posts I agree with and was nodding my head, but 'defrauding' and 'scamming' are a bit strong for me, the persistent dead zone in slots is a little suspect along with the opposite, albeit rarer, bountiful payouts and bonuses galore. like the other day I got 4 or 5 bonanza bonuses in about 100 spins...wtf and it's happened before as if it's a scripted event/experience in the game cycle that people will get from time to time.

distinct cycles of gameplay in a 'random' game seems incongruous, but I'm assured it's just how the rng works, there's no favouritism at play just the luck of timing...

 

[goatwack]

fredos, some of your posts I agree with and was nodding my head, but 'defrauding' and 'scamming' are a bit strong for me, the persistent dead zone in slots is a little suspect along with the opposite bountiful payouts and bonuses galore. like the other day I got 4 or 5 bonanza bonuses in about 100 spins...wtf and it's happened before as if it's a scripted event/experience in the game cycle that people will get from time to time.

distinct cycles of gameplay in a 'random' game seems incongruous, but I'm assured it's just how the rng works, there's no favouritism at play just the luck of timing...

I see they got to you too

 

[Fredos386]

fredos, some of your posts I agree with and was nodding my head, but 'defrauding' and 'scamming' are a bit strong for me, the persistent dead zone in slots is a little suspect along with the opposite, albeit rarer, bountiful payouts and bonuses galore. like the other day I got 4 or 5 bonanza bonuses in about 100 spins...wtf and it's happened before as if it's a scripted event/experience in the game cycle that people will get from time to time.

distinct cycles of gameplay in a 'random' game seems incongruous, but I'm assured it's just how the rng works, there's no favouritism at play just the luck of timing...

Look, the live black jack issue is real and i can prove it if need be lol. I also have the exchanges with the casino all emails kept where they openly lie and bullshit and change version left and right to then say decision is final. Then i provide a part of the proof i have and oops they shut down and stop replying to me. So yeah the thing is real. Probably a system that do that once in a while just to stay under the radar, must not be something that would happen to me over and over everytime i play. I just happened to be the bad luck guy that got the scam hand/disconnect. But the way the casinos replied to me and "investigated" and bullshitted even the PAB just demonstrate the casino is not fair and honest. What i learn through the years is that probably all casinos have some shady/illegal ways to make it. If they were based in big capitals of the world and legislated and ruled by independant entities not financed in any way by casinos the industry would be much different. Seems like competition is so rough they give bonuses and things they maybe cannot afford and then cut corners on other things to make up for it, who knows they all work in the dark and there's the first gigantic sign something is wrong. If they were straight honest they would be glad to open doors, casinos/providers to show us how they work. But for "security" reasons, we can't know whatever they do. But anyway, regarding slots my issue is not that they are "controled randomness" with patterns and cycles. My problem is it's not what they tell us it is, they sell something that is not and then we take decisions and place bets with wrong infos and that's most likely what they want. If it was said when opening a casino provability page, that it's not completly random, that things come in cycles and bla bla but that in the end the rtp and stuff is respected, then i wouldn't have ever posted anything anywhere about slots being rigged and such. My issue here is that it's money involved, and for some people (even if sick) it's enormous amount and they place their bet trusting the informations that is given to them by casinos and then get rekt and lose home, family, lives? But that's why they don't want us to know, because if it was common knowledge admitted by casinos that if you bet much more than you usually do your rtp is nerfed to prevent casino from losing too much money, do you think people would take big loans or spend their entire lifetime savings trying the big run? Hell no and casinos would lose what is probably their profitability.

p.s.: Just rambling but to explain my last point, through years i noticed (maybe wrong but i did hundreds of thousands of spins testing all my things because i just was OCD and needed to know) that playn'go, for example, will pay you normal on your normal bet size but if you go from 40p everyday to one time 5-10$ bets, you will just not win. Maybe you have 1 chance in zillions but rtp is definitly nerfed to avoid some random low baller to strike tons that casino would most likely never see again. What i noticed through my experiments, for what it's worth (im not saying im right 100% and im perfect science) is that every single time i went in from 40p to 5$ bet with 500-1000$ balance i would get rekt to pieces. Then another day i would come back to same casino, deposit normal, do small bet and then hit 1000x-2000x which i supposed is the way for provider/casino to redistribute the rtp you should've had on bigger bet. It happened everytime or almost therefor me thinking, ever wondered why we hear so often "hey why not that hit when i was betting more!" simply because system nerfed your rtp on bigger bet then when you lowered back increased rtp to give back what you should've had to kinda even things up. I tested my thing through 1 year + and used all the money i had won from huge wins into ripping it to test my stuff cauz lol had time to waste i guess. But my sample is very big, i knew what i was doing and the results are crystal clear. But with randomness comes the magic of everything is possible so casinos will always get away with it for as long as we don't open the providers doors and investigate with legitimate independant team without warning. Then we would probably have a huge scandal on our hands hehe.

 

[Fredos386]

Funny is on the opposite, provider like endorphina if you move up bets (without going too crazy) you will get mega big wins out of nowhere just like they are trying to entice you into betting higher, quite the opposite approach of playn'go. For example, in jazz i played for millions of spins on 50-100p... would have the usual in jazz.. then one day i decided to try some 250p.. first 10 spins bam 500x.. wow.. i tyr another casino do my normal for a while, then try 250p.. boom 400x.. and i did it over 4-5 casinos it was like whaaat (money i used to test my stuff i mentioned above). Same for chimney sweep, would play 50p forever, then one day i move up to 200p.. bam 1800x, wow, must be luck, then another day i do my 50p and think.. "maybe" and move up to 150p bet and bam almost 1000x streak. Same with voodoo or diamond vapor (diamond vapor example i always played 20-50p.. then out of tilt went and raised bet to 200p and hit a streak of like 10 bonuses resulting in a insane omega huge cash out top 3 lifetime). Voodoo would do 20p.. then screw it im done let's rip and do something else, raise bet to 200p.. bam 400x.. 500x... like the number of times i hit biggest "x" win ever on a endorphina on a much bigger bet than usual vs the number of times i tried it is just insane unreal lol. But for each slots on that bet size the following months everytime i would try them i would have 10% rtp and rip rip rip rip rip. System was probably balancing the extra paid and maybe is how they work, when you suddenly bet more than usual they release a huge win to trigger you into betting more then when you continue on that bet you get rekt and lose back the win + your entire wallet lol. But anyway, all the things i witnessed and tried often was on stream so many people can tell it was real and also happened in a rate that is exceptional and again if it was totally random, what the hell the randomness hitting it was lol like 1 in billions easy. Fascinating fact, since i got them huge hits on endorphina, i never won anything again on playn'go lol, not saying it's related, just find it amazing "coincidence" that after huge hit and being up, other provider decides to go cold af for months, how convenient . But anyway, i remember reading an article saying that slots have to be somewhat "rigged" because with negative return we would usually rip, get some wins, rip, on and on and never really getting big cash outs unless you strike 1 single huge monster and therefor gambling would be boring as hell. But let me tell you, is it less boring to rip straight to 0 90% of deposits because it has to gather the money for the crazy hot streak? I found the hot streak amazing at hooking me, but it's the dead streaks of infinity that opened the door out for me. So what got me in is slowly taking me out, so i wonder if it's a winning game for casinos to run that kind of slots. Who knows, they know the numbers. I just like to write that kind of post in the hope that some noobs read it and think about it next time they go through some hard times and have some crazy ideas lol. A warning kind of.

p.s.: fun fact, i play book of dead everyday, last year i had regularly explorer line, 4 explorers in bonus, 4 pharaoh's etc. Since november 2018 i didn't get any of this at all. I lose 95% of time i play book of dead and never got out of it with more than 100-200x profits and it happened.. 2-3 times? My streamer friends along with viewers/friends also experienced the same thing. What happened? Where is the rtp going? Especially direx nv casinos playn'go where if oyu hit 200x on book of dead go buy a lottery ticket asap. Again i don't mind if a game has 40% RTP, just show it so we know what we sign up for. They hide rtp and won't provide it. The bigger casinos with the supposedly 96% RTP have much better return but still far from 96%. Over millions and millions of spins if it's normal to run 10% below advertised RTP then well... And fact that i talk and play with dozens of people online everyday and we share each other results and such it becomes much easier to figure out when something is just happening to us, bad luck, and when something on a bigger scale is going on. But great deal playn'go going haywire made me discover many endorphina games i enjoy a lot .

 

[Bloatgoat]

Fredos, please use punctuary in your sentences, lol. It's so difficult to read and catch up with what your trying to say.

As i wrote before, it feels like a OVERAL 96% RTP within your own deposit. If i drop in 100, i'd often never exceed winning anything bigger then whatever my initial deposit was. Who's going to play a 100 and withdrawl 100? Nobody... But on the number they made it look like hey he had a 96% over his session! They know damn well that players who depositted and cannot break that wall continue. It's simple profit.

I've looked at my transaction history of my bank, DEPOSIT DEPOSIT DEPOSIT DEPOSIT and barely withdrawls. I feel sick knowing that what i did was WASTED money into online slots. I know things are going to change for me since i'd be leaving online slotting for what it is. If people still believe OH ITS 96% RTP AND BETTER THEN LANDBASED well go ahead buddy! If you like to be screwed over with myths like your playing with worldwide players so the wins are bigger or there's less costs because no building / personal / electricity or whatever reason you might believe, GO FOR IT, lol. VIP managers are there to lick your inside cheeck and to keep you playing.

because if it was common knowledge admitted by casinos that if you bet much more than you usually do your rtp is nerfed to prevent casino from losing too much money, do you think people would take big loans or spend their entire lifetime savings trying the big run? Hell no and casinos would lose what is probably their profitability.

This is exactly what i've encountered in a landbased casino. The sweet spot for big betting was around 10 to 25 euro a spin. Anything higher would result in a nerfed RTP as you describe it. I had a really fantastic run ONCE on a 50 euro bet, simply stuck 250 in the machine and at the last spin it threw a bonus.

I've done a few nummerous occasions to hit max bet (60 euro a spin) but it's impossible to break that wall. I'm sure that there are safety measures build in to slots or algorithm's. Any starting online casino licensing games could surely do more then just "Select RTP". If one customer hits the jackpot with a 100k and the casino does'nt have enough bankroll to FUND that player, what do you think will happen?

99.9% account closed due to some vague termination rule and that's it.

Here, was my attempt at 60 euro a spin. Fullscreen would be 45k easily.



Here, my 50 euro bonus:



I dont recall any online casino having that sort of luck, when depositting 250 your hitting 5 grand that easy. There's no such as luck on online casino's. Landbased is if you know what you do, 10 times better then online, and after winning big TAKE THE MONEY AND LEAVE. Lol. No withdrawl stalling, delays, all that. Seriously people.

Here > Your Input Please - Lower RTP for UK, Sweden, Germany & Others

"Different RTP for players from another country" > there you have it.

 

[dunover]

Jeeze, I can't read any of that without my eyes bleeding. I did get the impression it was all about non-random slots, bent casinos and slots paying differently on higher bets. Again.

 

[Jono777]

Jeeze, I can't read any of that without my eyes bleeding. I did get the impression it was all about non-random slots, bent casinos and slots paying differently on higher bets. Again.

Fresh or new foil hatters to CM are allowed to mis punctuate and avoid the use of paragraphs, as a mod I thought you knew that

 

[BabylonBear]

Personally I agree with the OP. I'm new to this forum as I recently starting playing slots, only for the bonuses.

I am baffled that someone intelligent enough to read, write, and do basic mathematics would waste money on a slot machine. You can play world of warcraft for only 15 a month!

 

[dionysus]

probably because, unlike slots, fortnite hasnt gotten me a new furniture set, laptop, home decos and paid several months of rent AND let me play as well

 

[goatwack]

I thought people only play slots for entertainment?

 

[dionysus]

I thought people only play slots for entertainment?

entertainment with a chance of coming out ahead of what you paid for it

 

[goatwack]

entertainment with a chance of coming out ahead of what you paid for it

If I wanted that I could just visit Janet, the local bike

 

[dionysus]

If I wanted that I could just visit Janet, the local bike

just be sure not to go anywhere you come away with a warty head

 

[Reelsoffun]

When I used to live in London I have never been interested in gambling online.

I was thinking why I have to sit at home in front of a computer like a caveman if I can go to central London and visit one of the casinos and have a drink, have nice food, meet interesting people, play gambling games and enjoy real casino atmosphere!

And if I had lost for example 1k I would never regret!

If I gamble online and lose 1k my mode gets fucked up and I think why the hell I touched this online slot or electronic roulette AGAIN!

In my opinion, to gamble in real casinos is better than online, it gives you an opportunity to enjoy at least a bit of your real life.

Online is completely the opposite! If you play on the weekend (after your payday) you can lose your money without even leaving your house and on Monday get again back to work (story of my life). And same shit can last for years until you get your head around!

I prefer Land Based too, however since I have moved from London to the midlands, my nearest LB casino is 40 miles, so im £10 down before i even walk in the door ( travel cost ) so online does appeal to me more in that way due to time and cost of travelling.

In other words I technically have a £10 head start online as the first £10 I lose I would have spent getting there LOL

 

[Aryol]

I thought people only play slots for entertainment?

At least that's what the industry wants to suggest

It can be fun if you have a decent playtime with a low deposit. But players want more and more potential, we got now this super high variance slots which can eat a whole existence before even thinking about giving something back.

 

[goatwack]

At least that's what the industry wants to suggest

It can be fun if you have a decent playtime with a low deposit. But players want more and more potential, we got now this super high variance slots which can eat a whole existence before even thinking about giving something back.

Yes, definitely. I think slots have gone too HV, sapping any form of enjoyment out of it in the process, with even rarer wins than ever before

Whatever happened to the good old medium variance/ high medium variance slots (sob)

 

[sufferinsilence]

Personally I agree with the OP. I'm new to this forum as I recently starting playing slots, only for the bonuses.

I am baffled that someone intelligent enough to read, write, and do basic mathematics would waste money on a slot machine. You can play world of warcraft for only 15 a month!

Quite a contradictory statement. Hunting bonuses isn't very lucrative anymore in this day and age.

 

[goatwack]

What the hell's a.....bonsus......bounus....nobus?

 

[Playford7]

probably because, unlike slots, fortnite hasnt gotten me a new furniture set, laptop, home decos and paid several months of rent AND let me play as well

But with slots you don’t get the cool fortnite dance...

 

[dionysus]

But with slots you don’t get the cool fortnite dance...

if i hit a progressive i promise to do a jig with the dog

 

[goatwack]

But with slots you don’t get the cool fortnite dance...

Ain't no dancing like the dancing in Mass Effect with the main protagonist

 

[Playford7]

if i hit a progressive i promise to do a jig with the dog

Haha dog and owner win dance is a must in future winner screenshots haha

 

[electronictonic]

What the hell's a.....bonsus......bounus....nobus?

It probably is the word onus and someone decided to stick a B in front for what I don't know...Bastard? Bollocks? Bonus? Bogus? Bonio?

 

[johnnybagel]

From reading this thread, I have learnt that losing money makes people feel bad...

Complaining that casinos advertise to you with bonuses in your inbox to keep you playing is crazy. Doesnt every business in the world do that? We walk past hundreds of them every day. Buy one get one free. Club card points. Refer a friend bonuses at the gym. They all just want your money - everyone wants your money.

The OP seems to be applying their personal issues to the industry as a whole.

 

[Bloatgoat]

At least that's what the industry wants to suggest

It can be fun if you have a decent playtime with a low deposit. But players want more and more potential, we got now this super high variance slots which can eat a whole existence before even thinking about giving something back.

Lmao! Yes. And in my opinion, a landbased is a more better and quicker way compared to online. Come'on is nobody in their right mind thinking hey this high variance could bring potential players into problems or it could take the fun out of the game for longer periods of time? Nah. They know damn well it increases wagering which is good for both the casino and game provider. That's all they care about. Hookup people like crack addicted slot players with a variance from here to tokio. It's unfair!

Yes, definitely. I think slots have gone too HV, sapping any form of enjoyment out of it in the process, with even rarer wins than ever before

Whatever happened to the good old medium variance/ high medium variance slots (sob)

I think from going to medium / high variance to ultra high variance it means more profit on the long term. And a steady base of hooked up players.

Quite a contradictory statement. Hunting bonuses isn't very lucrative anymore in this day and age.

You should never play any bonus except for the intented, game bonus. It always suprised me that with real money, nothing would happen, and with bonus money, games tend to fly out of the sky for all it's worth. Yet here people screaming it's all random, lmao.

From reading this thread, I have learnt that losing money makes people feel bad...

Complaining that casinos advertise to you with bonuses in your inbox to keep you playing is crazy. Doesnt every business in the world do that? We walk past hundreds of them every day. Buy one get one free. Club card points. Refer a friend bonuses at the gym. They all just want your money - everyone wants your money.

The OP seems to be applying their personal issues to the industry as a whole.

Personal issues? Hard earned money you mean.

 

[Siohmy]

I think from going to medium / high variance to ultra high variance it means more profit on the long term. And a steady base of hooked up players.

Not sure I agree with this. Addicts, unless they face up to their problems, will always be addicts. A significant majority will see this move for what it is. A very cynical way to increase through put into the slots. It does not take many 100-200x sessions of no bonus to make the whole thing boring as hell. Realistically this is the sort of budget I imagine most genuine players are working to.

Short term increased profit, yes. Because we’ve all seen the monster wins so we must be able to hit, right? Long term, I see significant fall off as people get sick of it. The odd high variance, sure, but the providers are seemingly trying to outdo themselves for just how high variance they can go. Sooner of later you’ll have a slot average one feature every 1000 spins and have 20% in the base game just so it can produce multiple 5000x plus wins everyone supposedly wants. Personally The Goonies is still one of my favourite slots. Firmly in medium variance there.

 

[Gambulaah]

Know that thing when you call other people losers that you don't know anything about, and your words ends up looking like you're sitting in a epic glass house throwing big rocks?

 

[Bloatgoat]

Not sure I agree with this.

The thing is with gambling, you dont have to be an addict or let alone be sensitive for new addictions , to become a gambling addict. That is the whole keypoint in this. The longer you play the more chances there are you will become an addict.

Perhaps the industry is trying to hook a new breed of gamblers. How? Extend the TOD.