Online slots are extremely toxic

[Bloatgoat]

Enjoyment is a plus point, yes. The atmosphere of a real casino. Behind a computer is a very boring and depressive state esp when you start losing hard. Nah they cant make that any better but they want you to believe that online is the way to go because, 3% MORE RTP!!!!1111

And you have such friendly staff waiting for you in the email dropping you in some bonusses when your in bad luck. Lol. I got tossed a few bonusses into my account, gameplay that NOTHING could go wrong. 100 euro bonus money, clicking on 5, 10 euro a spin, i was dancing the stars of the universe in big wins lol. But then, once you hit that threshold, the fun is done. Who's going to play bonus games with a crazy 35x wagering. What's the joy of that. It's just stress. Oh i cant lose now i need to wager another 2500 before i could click withdrawl.

 

[snorky510238]

One question only. If it’s so easy to win in a B+M casino, why would you play online?

 

[Nik]

I would like to start a discussion, on the fact that online slots is extremely toxic. For some of you know i'm used to landbased play, and i closed my accounts online a few days ago completely. I dont feel like ever going back to such toxic places which call themself online casino's. I cant help the fact that once was supposed to be fun online play turned into a complete disaster with being more and more mad at myself day in day out. I realised, this is not just my fault, but the toxic enviroment i'm being led into with online play.

Honest, random, this, that, all of 'm scream from the big buildings that all slots are genuine, i dont believe any of 'm saying at all when playing over 20k myself in barely a half year and have a overall losing rate of 85%. I realise that online slotting in general is such crafted to guarantee a income, profit for casino's who would like to play things fair for themself. There's absolutely no feedback on people who have an issue or would like to discuss a subject with a casino overall.

The responsible gaming is a joke as well. Nobody bothers as long as you keep depositting. Hell i wasted a good 3500 euro on one day, to play a stressfull bunch of slots and after 5 hours barely being 100 euro ahead.

Streamers are a joke. Have you people seen their faces when they actually win 10K? It's like watching a junkie getting high on live-stream. It's a fantasy world where the only thing matters are affiliate links and the signups of a new breed possible gambling addicts. I think the industry is becoming a very rotten place. That once was a challenge, fun and entertaining, now simply shifted over to pay-for-entertainment with a huge cost at the end.

So yeah you got a good bonus and you withdrawled. Now make the numbers for yourself on long term if you are even ahead of set back just a tiny bit. I know 10 different ways to spend my money in a right way.

So yeah, there you have it. I woke up today, realising online gambling is the most toxic enviroment there is with a risk of becoming socially isolated with devastating dangers. Chasing fantasy dragons. Fuck that. If i want a fun night, online casino's is absolutely not the way to go.

Looking at country's legalising online gambling more and more due to tax revenue, i think the world is ahead of alot of future complications. Enjoy your few wins, sooner or later your caught in the same web as i was, where my mind slowly is taken over by the toxic enviroment online slots has to offer.

I'm stronger then that. I make more money on my own then 5 of these casino's staff do on avg a quarter a month. To hell with 'm. Losers.

I sort of agree with you here . Unfortunately you have said the truth at the wrong place ...

Just would like to mention a streamer who has won big today. His 20k withdrawals were approved in no time (he posted it on YouTube) while my poxy little withdrawal of 120 pounds it’s still pending since early this morning at the very same casino where I’m fully verified !?!! So - isn’t this double standards ? Or is it a bit of advertisement .... it is really said for all the real players !!!

 

[Mouche12]

It must be said that the videos on YT of (well-known) streamers do mention that the videos do not give a full and accurate representation as the losses behind the wins are not shown... So there you have it. Common sense of course.

The RTP on slots at Holland Casino is 4-7% lower on average compared to online casino's. I did win big once in 2007 (€500 in, €9,000 out), but that was a once in a life time event. The odds are more in your favour when playing online.

 

[TheAddict]

Yet my AVG win is still 'better' in a landbased vs online. So so much for your holy grail, 4 to 6 percent more rtp

just curious, but would it be safe to assume that you have taken more spins online than that of spins at a b&m, and perhaps are expecting to much as a result?

not trying to argue, or defend either of them. i ask since, as its safe to assume the maths and distribution of thr rtp and max (generally speaking) wins etc are different between land based and online, whereby (i think) online due to the "potential" of huge wins on slots upwards of 5/10k x bet (obviously, I'm talking about slots that aren't a complete waste of finger pressing, which for example starburst pretty much is) little wins appear more regular to level out the rtp for the monster hits that hopefully eventually come some point inbetween, where the same kind of slot at a bnm is perhaps more weighted in the middle range of with a less max potential.
obviously that is suggesting you have to be very very lucky to hit a huge hit online, but that's how, in basic terms, its designed to meet its rtp.
im no expert so please someone kick me kn the mouth if im wrong.

I'm wondering what the total result would be (excluding stake sizes) if you were to have spent equally the same amount of spins over time on both, rather than expecting the online slot pay better because you've(id assume) spent more spins online than offline.

i like the idea of your approach, 5 slots - 200 in each , one might pay a decent ish return to level it back up, if you get up quickly perhaps just make like a tree and leave..
but then you can just as easily, as seen on videos on tube, walk around casinos and do a few ton here, a few ton there, and be down 10k in a week. then, without chasing that big progressive or going for broke on some mega high variance game and risking losing a lot more, its going to be hard to turn that situation around when it finally happens.if anything you'd, on the same stakes and games, need incredible luck to get back to anywhere near even before the time comes where the shitstorm happens again.


There was a point in there somewhere, honest.

 

[goatwack]

just curious, but would it be safe to assume that you have taken more spins online than that of spins at a b&m, and perhaps are expecting to much as a result?

not trying to argue, or defend either of them. i ask since, as its safe to assume the maths and distribution of thr rtp and max (generally speaking) wins etc are different between land based and online, whereby (i think) online due to the "potential" of huge wins on slots upwards of 5/10k x bet (obviously, I'm talking about slots that aren't a complete waste of finger pressing, which for example starburst pretty much is) little wins appear more regular to level out the rtp for the monster hits that hopefully eventually come some point inbetween, where the same kind of slot at a bnm is perhaps more weighted in the middle range of with a less max potential.
obviously that is suggesting you have to be very very lucky to hit a huge hit online, but that's how, in basic terms, its designed to meet its rtp.
im no expert so please someone kick me kn the mouth if im wrong.

I'm wondering what the total result would be (excluding stake sizes) if you were to have spent equally the same amount of spins over time on both, rather than expecting the online slot pay better because you've(id assume) spent more spins online than offline.

i like the idea of your approach, 5 slots - 200 in each , one might pay a decent ish return to level it back up, if you get up quickly perhaps just make like a tree and leave..
but then you can just as easily, as seen on videos on tube, walk around casinos and do a few ton here, a few ton there, and be down 10k in a week. then, without chasing that big progressive or going for broke on some mega high variance game and risking losing a lot more, its going to be hard to turn that situation around when it finally happens.if anything you'd, on the same stakes and games, need incredible luck to get back to anywhere near even before the time comes where the shitstorm happens again.


There was a point in there somewhere, honest.

I mostly got that

Ok only 13%

 

[Bloatgoat]

I sort of agree with you here . Unfortunately you have said the truth at the wrong place ...

Just would like to mention a streamer who has won big today. His 20k withdrawals were approved in no time (he posted it on YouTube) while my poxy little withdrawal of 120 pounds it’s still pending since early this morning at the very same casino where I’m fully verified !?!! So - isn’t this double standards ? Or is it a bit of advertisement .... it is really said for all the real players !!!

Yes thats possible, depending on which casino you are in. I had a online casino as well, clicked on a 2500 withdrawl, instantly processed. Within 2 days, weekend or not, on my CC. A big online brand could easily afford paying the 20k.

It must be said that the videos on YT of (well-known) streamers do mention that the videos do not give a full and accurate representation as the losses behind the wins are not shown... So there you have it. Common sense of course.

The RTP on slots at Holland Casino is 4-7% lower on average compared to online casino's. I did win big once in 2007 (€500 in, €9,000 out), but that was a once in a life time event. The odds are more in your favour when playing online.

Nobody is going to watch losing sessions. Do you? RTP again, is not secret sauce to winning. With slots, all the luck you have, or could have, is being there at the right time. That's all there is to it! Slots does'nt require a tactic, any monkey could put in a bill and start pressing buttons. Your not going to beat a perfect crafted system which ensures casino's profit on the long term. So you stick with what you have and that is timing. Go with your inside guts. I've won great at HC. I had a dedicated youtube account for that with high limit (live) play.

just curious, but would it be safe to assume that you have taken more spins online than that of spins at a b&m, and perhaps are expecting to much as a result?

not trying to argue, or defend either of them. i ask since, as its safe to assume the maths and distribution of thr rtp and max (generally speaking) wins etc are different between land based and online, whereby (i think) online due to the "potential" of huge wins on slots upwards of 5/10k x bet (obviously, I'm talking about slots that aren't a complete waste of finger pressing, which for example starburst pretty much is) little wins appear more regular to level out the rtp for the monster hits that hopefully eventually come some point inbetween, where the same kind of slot at a bnm is perhaps more weighted in the middle range of with a less max potential.
obviously that is suggesting you have to be very very lucky to hit a huge hit online, but that's how, in basic terms, its designed to meet its rtp.
im no expert so please someone kick me kn the mouth if im wrong.

I'm wondering what the total result would be (excluding stake sizes) if you were to have spent equally the same amount of spins over time on both, rather than expecting the online slot pay better because you've(id assume) spent more spins online than offline.

i like the idea of your approach, 5 slots - 200 in each , one might pay a decent ish return to level it back up, if you get up quickly perhaps just make like a tree and leave..
but then you can just as easily, as seen on videos on tube, walk around casinos and do a few ton here, a few ton there, and be down 10k in a week. then, without chasing that big progressive or going for broke on some mega high variance game and risking losing a lot more, its going to be hard to turn that situation around when it finally happens.if anything you'd, on the same stakes and games, need incredible luck to get back to anywhere near even before the time comes where the shitstorm happens again.


There was a point in there somewhere, honest.

I think the avg time spend on a slot landbased vs online, i would favor the landbased, since that's much shorter and perhaps some little more sweet then online. The 200 ~ 400 deposit and 2 to 4 euro (2% of bankroll) tactic does'nt work out for me well. Trust me i've tried. I've dumped 3500 online and start pounding like knowing someone would answer that door sooner or later, no fucking luck. So i kind of came to the conclusion, esp after the next day, a magic win EVERYWHERE, that online slots, random distribution, and all that, are not really genuine random. It's all designed to keep you coming back. Maybe it was my experience with ONE particular casino, you know they need to make a name for themself and cannot risk having too high jackpots flying around, i dont know. But it's more stressfull playing online compared to landbased. Apply avg TOD on landbased and people would be walking away frustrated like crazy. I never understood how some people could argu that it takes on an avg of 150 spins before something happens. Dude you serious? Lol.

The 200 per machine is a really good and most simple tactic. You could half that 1000 into 500 and make it 100 per machine and head to 2 or even 1 euro bet a spin to extend your playing time. I always considered gambling as a sport. Dont stick too long in casino's either. Some machines dont spit out handpays, take a less win also for granted sometimes as well. The double or nothing a good strategy as well. Dump in 100 , you either double it or head bust.

I've seen people, burn 13k in less then 30 minutes on slots. I've bin watching slot players (not streamers) who burn tens of thousands in barely an hour (Seek The big jackpot on YT) > You shoud'nt take this guy as a example, calling himself the 'greatest slotplayer in the world' lmao. He's a terrible player actually and he proved what i already knew > there's barely volume for high stakes as i've bin attempting to go for max bet on some slot machines in casino's as well (60 euro a spin). I once attempted 50 euro bonus and got a 4900 jackpot. That was pretty much a once in a lifetime event btw, 250 in, last spin bonus and boom. That was the fastest way of money ever for me in barely 3 minutes or so lol.

 

[Playford7]

He’s got a point the op. The whole world of online slots is toxic.
The terms, the so called offers we get..
those whom promote them.
Affiliation is and always will be a grubby way to earn a living.
But we all have a choice.
The powers that be could bring it to its knees, that won’t happen as where there is money we have corruption.

 

[trancemonkey]

Yay.. another ridiculous rigged thread where certain people ignore facts in favour of groundless beliefs.

Woohoo

 

[trancemonkey]

@Bloatgoat logic:

My VIP manager who has never made a slot game in his life, and in his position is very unlikely to understand what he's talking about, said something that inferred there is a central pool of money. This would mean all slot manufacturers working together in an anti-competitive, illegal, underhand way which would mean that the test labs, the government and all games manufacturers would need to be in on it.

OR

A guy that works in the industry actually making the games says that it's not the case at all and that it's just down to statistics and maths design

I mean clearly the most obvious, logical and reasonable answer is the first one. Right?

 

[The Dude]

I'm not sure why this thread is in the "Quit Gambling" forum - it should be in the Slots forum - moving it there.

And here is an excellent read if you are into the "toxicity" of slots -

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a "must read" for anyone that plays slots (or builds them lol).

 

[Nate]

Land based casinos are lower than online.

Not always the case.... That's a generalisation / myth.

Nate

 

[The Dude]

Not always the case.... That's a generalisation / myth.

Nate

Actually, land based casinos are way lower, at least in Vegas. This has been documented so no myth there.

 

[trancemonkey]

Not always the case.... That's a generalisation / myth.

Nate

If you can show me a land-based casino operating over 96%, i'm booking tickets to get there tomorrow

You're right though, there will be exceptions where some online casinos are lower than some of the very high RTP land-based casinos - but trust me, there won't be many at all...

 

[trancemonkey]

I'm not sure why this thread is in the "Quit Gambling" forum - it should be in the Slots forum - moving it there.

And here is an excellent read if you are into the "toxicity" of slots -

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a "must read" for anyone that plays slots (or builds them lol).

I think you mean "Addiction by Design" - unless we're talking rudimentary maths here

 

[The Dude]

There is a document somewhere on Casinomeister that includes an article done by a player magazine that reports on the RTPs at different LV casinos to include the airport. I can't find it.

 

[The Dude]

I think you mean "Addiction by Design" - unless we're talking rudimentary maths here

Ha ha - nice catch.

 

[NeverLucky]

There is a document somewhere on Casinomeister that includes an article done by a player magazine that reports on the RTPs at different LV casinos to include the airport. I can't find it.

I have to believe the ones at the Airports are running at the absolute minimum required RTP -- easy & quick cash grab probably.

 

[dunover]

My take is that land based casinos by their very nature are no different to any other retail product when the games are presented online. Online generally has far lower fixed costs than land-based and that goes for pretty much everything, whether you buy insurance, clothes or TV's. Which is why I haven't seen any land-based game offering over 92% (that's just my experience). I cannot see how land-based casinos could ever offer 96-97% slots when you consider the ancillary costs such as electricity, staff, CCTV, free drinks, loyalty rewards etc. that they need to have.

 

[Nate]

Actually, land based casinos are way lower, at least in Vegas. This has been documented so no myth there.

I probably can't argue about Vegas but there are many places that are not far off from the online RTP.

If you can show me a land-based casino operating over 96%, i'm booking tickets to get there tomorrow

You're right though, there will be exceptions where some online casinos are lower than some of the very high RTP land-based casinos - but trust me, there won't be many at all...

Just trying to make it clear that the argument that online is higher doesn't always hold true. It's down to the operator to choose from the settings the manufacturers provide them with.

In general, the lower the denomination, the lower the RTP. The reason why the overall RTP would be lower is directly proportionate to the amount of lower denominations present on the gaming floor.

We also need to consider that online suppliers are now offering significantly lower RTP's to operators and they are choosing to utilize these options. Ask pragmatic play / Play'n Go et al. This will also have a direct impact on lowering the overall RTP for online outfits.

Nate

 

[lockinlove]

There is a document somewhere on Casinomeister that includes an article done by a player magazine that reports on the RTPs at different LV casinos to include the airport. I can't find it.

Not sure if this is the one but kinda gives you an idea

 

[The Dude]

And then there is the airport and the local 7/11s lol.

 

[DreamRJ]

I just wanted to weigh in on this. I kept thinking I was going to, then decided not too. Until now I decided to post in this thread.

Firstly I will say that the OP rant about online casinos being toxic is pretty silly. As all forms of gambling can and are toxic. But I enjoy gambling and it is what I enjoy doing. I have fun and that is what matters. I gamble only what I can afford to gamble away.

Secondly I will say this. For the OP to say that Land based is far less toxic I find funny and totally inaccurate. When I have gone to land based 18+ arcades in the UK to play the slots. with max jackpots of just £500. People can blow hundreds and thousands playing those machines in 1 hour without even getting to win that £500 Jackpot. At least online if you commit to deposit hundreds and thousands and you are playing a slot that has huge potential like the BTG slots or the new Peking Luck slot and many others. DoA etc etc. Then you can easily win a lot more than the capped £500.

So yet I know he was saying it was casinos. I never actually been to a land based casino. And to be fair I never really wanted too. As it would be just the same as the 18+ Arcades you can goto in the UK. It would result in far worse loss in a very short period of time compared to online.

Yes online you can still easily deposit and deposit every few mins and get no playtime, the same as land based or the arcades. But still the potential online is far better than land based and arcades.

I also know that some see it as a nice trip out and to socialise. But the only time you might socialise is if you went with friends or family or you got chatting to the person on the slot next to you etc etc. Not really saying it is not nice to have that extra fun while gambling. But I personally do not really like to chat to the people on slots next to me when I was in the local arcades many years ago. I did obviously know the staff and they knew me as I used to be a regular. But I stopped going their as I moved to focus only on online gambling instead as I found it was just more painful to win in the arcades.

That is my 2 cents anyway.

 

[mack341]

I just wanted to weigh in on this. I kept thinking I was going to, then decided not too. Until now I decided to post in this thread.

Firstly I will say that the OP rant about online casinos being toxic is pretty silly. As all forms of gambling can and are toxic. But I enjoy gambling and it is what I enjoy doing. I have fun and that is what matters. I gamble only what I can afford to gamble away.

Secondly I will say this. For the OP to say that Land based is far less toxic I find funny and totally inaccurate. When I have gone to land based 18+ arcades in the UK to play the slots. with max jackpots of just £500. People can blow hundreds and thousands playing those machines in 1 hour without even getting to win that £500 Jackpot. At least online if you commit to deposit hundreds and thousands and you are playing a slot that has huge potential like the BTG slots or the new Peking Luck slot and many others. DoA etc etc. Then you can easily win a lot more than the capped £500.

So yet I know he was saying it was casinos. I never actually been to a land based casino. And to be fair I never really wanted too. As it would be just the same as the 18+ Arcades you can goto in the UK. It would result in far worse loss in a very short period of time compared to online.

Yes online you can still easily deposit and deposit every few mins and get no playtime, the same as land based or the arcades. But still the potential online is far better than land based and arcades.

I also know that some see it as a nice trip out and to socialise. But the only time you might socialise is if you went with friends or family or you got chatting to the person on the slot next to you etc etc. Not really saying it is not nice to have that extra fun while gambling. But I personally do not really like to chat to the people on slots next to me when I was in the local arcades many years ago. I did obviously know the staff and they knew me as I used to be a regular. But I stopped going their as I moved to focus only on online gambling instead as I found it was just more painful to win in the arcades.

That is my 2 cents anyway.

I think going to a uk arcade is a bit different to a casino, maybe the slots are identical, but no one dresses up to go to the local arcade, the social aspect is part of the appeal.

If a casino slot is capped at £500 [250x £2 stake] with say a 92% rtp, the odds of hitting this £500 could be lower than online where the rtp of 96% [4 % extra] has to cover wins above 250x?

That's not to say I think online is necessarily toxic if you can gamble responsibly and set limits, which personally I have failed to do but it is a learning curve, losing in a casino can just be as toxic and you have the added psychological element of your losses being seen by others, which could possibly trigger tilting I think in some.

 

[DreamRJ]

I think going to a uk arcade is a bit different to a casino, maybe the slots are identical, but no one dresses up to go to the local arcade, the social aspect is part of the appeal.

If a casino slot is capped at £500 [250x £2 stake] with say a 92% rtp, the odds of hitting this £500 could be lower than online where the rtp of 96% [4 % extra] has to cover wins above 250x?

That's not to say I think online is necessarily toxic if you can gamble responsibly and set limits, which personally I have failed to do but it is a learning curve, losing in a casino can just be as toxic and you have the added psychological element of your losses being seen by others, which could possibly trigger tilting I think in some.

Yep good point. I forgot to mention this as well. Some people do watch people who keep putting money after money in and not winning. And they watch because they then pounce and go play that machine if you do leave. In the local arcade you could ask the staff for a sticker that you put on the machine that says machine in use. But when you run out of funds then that is when they pounce as you then have been at a total loss.

So yeah you can also watch them keep looking and watching you. They sometimes stare and this can force you to carry on putting more and more money in the machines. At least when your playing online it is totally not like that. So that aspect does not exist. Which is a positive. That is mainly also why I would actually say Arcades and land based are worse..... Plus the fact RTP is far lower as well.............

 

[Jono777]

ALL slots are rigged
Advertised RTP is false and misleading
Reel Strips change every spin, even on 10 year old games
Streamers DO get 150% RTP games
They're compensated AND scripted
People who work in the industry tell porkie pies
They're all laughing at us in the pub on Friday night's
Trance's bed is at a 45 degree angle due to all the back handers and brown envelopes shoved underneath
Conspiracy Theorists were right all this time
There are about 20-25 whistle blower websites proving these facts, sorry no links for now

 

[bowki]

Not sure if this is the one but kinda gives you an idea

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So the Meistermeet 2020 will be at the Palms I guess.

 

[Bloatgoat]

@DreamRJ Sorry, the watching over my shoulders with vague people wanting to finish the game, that shit never happens in a respected, landbased casino. I think you are reffering to vague pokey things or something, where usually the lower class of people (sorry to express myself) comes around. The ambience and people is alot better in any respected landbased casino, for example Holland casino in Holland on different locations. They have a dresscode actually. You cant get in with a trainingpants for example, and they do require you to check yourself upon entrance with an ID.

@trancemonkey You make fun of my post, but i showed you a few times before,

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Landbased casino do this, typical 8 to 16 machines in a 'block' and the wagering being randomly redistributed up to a 92% RTP. The casino themself wrote this to me, that they are one of the first actually implementing this. Just because you dont work with this type of modelling in your enviroment, does'nt mean the rest of the world is'nt doing things in a different way. As i wrote before, the RDS seems more fair at a landbased then compared to online. This is why i got so frustrated in the first place (and the whole reason to completely stop online gambling).

 

[BrianGhattas]

One of my locals, my last six trips have seen me leave with profit four times, lose my balance once and break even after making the usually dumb mistake of chasing my losses. I’m on a long losing streak at Doug’s Casino. It’s possible the reverse can happen. We play slots for fun and hope we’re lucky. However, I’m against people who promote irresponsible gambling on Youtube and it’s not the streamers. It’s those annoying Americans who have to title THEIR VIDEOS WITH CAPITAL LETTERS and have obnoxious personalities. I’m sure I’ll run into them in Las Vegas next month.

Those people who show up in the chat on a streamer’s session only want a hand out. It’s sickening how they kiss the streamer’s ass hoping they’ll get free spins or money to wager or whatever their casino can give them. If you don’t have the income, you shouldn’t be gambling. As lockinlove said a few years back, they can be crude.

 

[DreamRJ]

@DreamRJ Sorry, the watching over my shoulders with vague people wanting to finish the game, that shit never happens in a respected, landbased casino. I think you are reffering to vague pokey things or something, where usually the lower class of people (sorry to express myself) comes around. The ambience and people is alot better in any respected landbased casino, for example Holland casino in Holland on different locations. They have a dresscode actually. You cant get in with a trainingpants for example, and they do require you to check yourself upon entrance with an ID.

@trancemonkey You make fun of my post, but i showed you a few times before,

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Landbased casino do this, typical 8 to 16 machines in a 'block' and the wagering being randomly redistributed up to a 92% RTP. The casino themself wrote this to me, that they are one of the first actually implementing this. Just because you dont work with this type of modelling in your enviroment, does'nt mean the rest of the world is'nt doing things in a different way. As i wrote before, the RDS seems more fair at a landbased then compared to online. This is why i got so frustrated in the first place (and the whole reason to completely stop online gambling).

Each to their own. I was merely just posting my 2 cents. Which we are all entitled to do so. If you think or choose to think that land based is still far better and you do not care about playing slots with far lower RTP then so be it. You will be the one who will lose more in the long term compared to playing the same slot online that is available in that land based casino anyway. That is the last I will say on this matter

 

[TheAddict]

nice goat. approx 13% has been my rtp from every set of free spins i can remember since early december, so I'll take it.

I think going to a uk arcade is a bit different to a casino, maybe the slots are identical, but no one dresses up to go to the local arcade, the social aspect is part of the appeal.

so true. down my way the expected dress code in arcades is to avoid a shower for 4 days and then slip on some grey sweat pants.

 

[Bloatgoat]

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This guy 'played' over 1.5 million euro's in online casino's. Money stolen from his former employee / company he was working in. Nobody ever asked about his playing behaviour, his betting size and whatever. The regulation for problem gamblers does'nt exist. And that makes online gambling extremely toxic in a sense that players could become completely isolated and out of their sickening addiction, do crazy things. A normal casino would already triggered alarm bells here and there, get him for a personal conversation and perhaps deny entrance in the future. Or at least limit his visits to a maximum of 2 times a month. This worry's me man. Not for me or so but future, problem gamblers as well. And many goverments are opening doors wide open now for new licences as a way to get tax revenue. How smart. This will lead to a bigger bread of problem gamblers.

There are a ton of other articles, cases, in people driven to extreme things related to (online) gambling.

 

[xexe]

A normal casino would already triggered alarm bells here and there, get him for a personal conversation and perhaps deny entrance in the future.

LMAO, this actually made me laugh. It could not possibly be further from the truth. I've seen countless documentaries about problem gamblers who stole and spent millions. The only thing they all have in common is that it was all spent at land based casinos and land based bookies, over long periods of time (usually many years), with nobody doing anything about it despite knowing about it.

Not saying it doesn't happen a lot online too, but I would bet it's a bigger problem offline seeing as you can do it anonymously on land, while all your data is kept track of online, with PoW checks etc.

 

[snorky510238]

LMAO, this actually made me laugh. It could not possibly be further from the truth. I've seen countless documentaries about problem gamblers who stole and spent millions. The only thing they all have in common is that it was all spent at land based casinos and land based bookies, over long periods of time (usually many years), with nobody doing anything about it despite knowing about it.

Not saying it doesn't happen a lot online too, but I would bet it's a bigger problem offline seeing as you can do it anonymously on land, while all your data is kept track of online, with PoW checks etc.

I don’t have any prisoners of war honest.

 

[Bloatgoat]

LMAO, this actually made me laugh. It could not possibly be further from the truth. I've seen countless documentaries about problem gamblers who stole and spent millions. The only thing they all have in common is that it was all spent at land based casinos and land based bookies, over long periods of time (usually many years), with nobody doing anything about it despite knowing about it.

Not saying it doesn't happen a lot online too, but I would bet it's a bigger problem offline seeing as you can do it anonymously on land, while all your data is kept track of online, with PoW checks etc.

Well, there's your answer. The management in HC in Holland for example, is very strict related to those things. If they see, consider or note that a particular guest is having issues while playing, whatever that is, he's booted out sooner or later. It's a casino operated by the state, and they really enforce the rules related to problem gamblers. This is why perhaps Holland is a much more integer country then sweden. Sorry my man.

Ofcouse, it's all about numbers on the long run. They have questioned me as well like what is it that i do and what i like about visiting the casino etc. Nothing unusual but for me knowing they defenitly trying to know their regular guests.

 

[Buffalo Bill]

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This guy 'played' over 1.5 million euro's in online casino's. Money stolen from his former employee / company he was working in. Nobody ever asked about his playing behaviour, his betting size and whatever. The regulation for problem gamblers does'nt exist. And that makes online gambling extremely toxic in a sense that players could become completely isolated and out of their sickening addiction, do crazy things. A normal casino would already triggered alarm bells here and there, get him for a personal conversation and perhaps deny entrance in the future. Or at least limit his visits to a maximum of 2 times a month. This worry's me man. Not for me or so but future, problem gamblers as well. And many goverments are opening doors wide open now for new licences as a way to get tax revenue. How smart. This will lead to a bigger bread of problem gamblers.

There are a ton of other articles, cases, in people driven to extreme things related to (online) gambling.

I know casinos have a duty to identify problem gamblers, money laundering and the like, but i feel they are unfairly demonised because of it. What about the woman who spent £16million in Harrods whose husband got jailed for for £2.2billion fraud, never heard anyone saying Harrods should have done and SOW requests

 

[Bloatgoat]

Yeah,

Basicly you could never really know your guest who's playing in your house. I've heard story's of people going in, buying a stack of chips, playing some here and there, have a dinner, and exchange the chips back in again and have it depositted by bank on their accounts. That was one particular way casino's faced of money loundry. But money is money, at the end of the day. Like if any online casino is starting to have questions where one particular could burn 1.5 million EURO in just a few months. No ofcourse they are not saying anything. Hell.

 

[xexe]

I don’t have any prisoners of war honest.

Whoops, meant proof of wealth but obviously it's source of wealth.

Well, there's your answer. The management in HC in Holland for example, is very strict related to those things. If they see, consider or note that a particular guest is having issues while playing, whatever that is, he's booted out sooner or later. It's a casino operated by the state, and they really enforce the rules related to problem gamblers. This is why perhaps Holland is a much more integer country then sweden. Sorry my man.

Ofcouse, it's all about numbers on the long run. They have questioned me as well like what is it that i do and what i like about visiting the casino etc. Nothing unusual but for me knowing they defenitly trying to know their regular guests.

...what? I wasn't talking about Sweden, I said I've watched documentaries (mainly from the UK and Australia). Sweden is extremely careful when it comes to problem gamblers, we just passed a huge set of laws 1st of January to help battle it. Problem gamblers can apply to have their entire debt payed for them by the state to get their life back on track. People of countries with less integrity, such as the Netherlands, wouldn't have that opportunity and might turn to suicide instead as many problem gamblers unfortunately do.

And I'm half joking, I love the NL. I just found it funny when you call out Sweden of all countries, when we might be thé country in the world that does the most to help problem gamblers.

 

[Mouche12]

Bloatgoat, if you have a look at the new Dutch gambling act which will be fully effective around July 2020 (meaning that casinos can acquire a gambling license by then), you'll see that it includes a national register for problem gamblers. Online casinos will have to check it first. If a player's name is on this list, he/she cannot be accepted by the casino. Also, casinos will be required to monitor player behaviour (according to the limits they need to set for playtime and deposits), and if this raises any red flags the casino must inform the Dutch gambling authority accordingly.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Bloatgoat, if you have a look at the new Dutch gambling act which will be fully effective around July 2020 (meaning that casinos can acquire a gambling license by then), you'll see that it includes a national register for problem gamblers. Online casinos will have to check it first. If a player's name is on this list, he/she cannot be accepted by the casino. Also, casinos will be required to monitor player behaviour (according to the limits they need to set for playtime and deposits), and if this raises any red flags the casino must inform the Dutch gambling authority accordingly.

Born and raised in the Netherlands here, and yeah, i'm aware of the new legislation that is coming to the netherlands. They have thought about it, yes. But that still does'nt stop the players from signing up to different casino's with different aliasses, hell even BTC without documents is possible too. You know i think any casino should verify their players upfront before allowing them to deposit and play, dont you think? It's too much advantages for the online casino's right now, and they prefer keeping that open as it is right now because it's bringing in a truckload of money of people who cannot control themself. USA. Casino's with wide open doors. People of less then 18 could still walk in, play, even the ones who have a ban on the casino themself. It's all untill handpays are being paid out, before the casino starts rejecting players money. They changed this recently in Portugal, where i live since a year, casino's require the shift of your passport or ID card to a machine before allowing you in.

The business stinks in many aspects in my opinion. I dont think it will ever be that what is used to be. So yeah, i'm doing the right thing! This is day 4 so far and i'm really not missing it. I'm actually doing other things with my time now!

 

[trancemonkey]

@DreamRJ Sorry, the watching over my shoulders with vague people wanting to finish the game, that shit never happens in a respected, landbased casino. I think you are reffering to vague pokey things or something, where usually the lower class of people (sorry to express myself) comes around. The ambience and people is alot better in any respected landbased casino, for example Holland casino in Holland on different locations. They have a dresscode actually. You cant get in with a trainingpants for example, and they do require you to check yourself upon entrance with an ID.

@trancemonkey You make fun of my post, but i showed you a few times before,

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Landbased casino do this, typical 8 to 16 machines in a 'block' and the wagering being randomly redistributed up to a 92% RTP. The casino themself wrote this to me, that they are one of the first actually implementing this. Just because you dont work with this type of modelling in your enviroment, does'nt mean the rest of the world is'nt doing things in a different way. As i wrote before, the RDS seems more fair at a landbased then compared to online. This is why i got so frustrated in the first place (and the whole reason to completely stop online gambling).

And i replied to your "wikipedia" link with facts, which you ignored. As usual. I worked for Inspired who implemented Server Based Gaming (SBG) in the UK and other countries. They do not pool anything. SBG just refers to being able to download games remotely, and can (but doesn't have to) produce the result on a remote RNG. You can ignore the truth as much as you want, but it's still the truth.

Where are these banks of 8 to 16 machines in land-based casinos that you have proof of pooled results on... Go on, please say Holland Casino... I'm going to their casino in Rotterdam on a business trip soon, so i'll be pleased to tell them you've rumbled them.

And as i pointed out, you are trusting a VIP manager (who has no idea what he's talking about) and ignoring people that make these products for a living. That's your choice, but it's utterly ridiculous and should be pointed out as such.

You have no idea where i've worked or what i've done - but trust me, i know a lot more about the industry that you, wikipedia, a VIP manager, or some youtube videos do

 

[trancemonkey]

One of my locals, my last six trips have seen me leave with profit four times, lose my balance once and break even after making the usually dumb mistake of chasing my losses. I’m on a long losing streak at Doug’s Casino. It’s possible the reverse can happen. We play slots for fun and hope we’re lucky. However, I’m against people who promote irresponsible gambling on Youtube and it’s not the streamers. It’s those annoying Americans who have to title THEIR VIDEOS WITH CAPITAL LETTERS and have obnoxious personalities. I’m sure I’ll run into them in Las Vegas next month.

Those people who show up in the chat on a streamer’s session only want a hand out. It’s sickening how they kiss the streamer’s ass hoping they’ll get free spins or money to wager or whatever their casino can give them. If you don’t have the income, you shouldn’t be gambling. As lockinlove said a few years back, they can be crude.

Btw - to all those in this thread who wonder why Bloatgoat thinks land-based are better than online...
The majority of games in land-based tend to be lower volatility than the popular games online - so while the cashouts will on average be lower, it's entirely possible that you have more of them...

For example, let's say you start with 100 euros, and you're happy to walk away with 200
On a lower volatility game, you'll hit this 200 more often than a higher one BUT when you do get a cash-out it is more likely to be higher.

 

[mack341]

Btw - to all those in this thread who wonder why Bloatgoat thinks land-based are better than online...
The majority of games in land-based tend to be lower volatility than the popular games online - so while the cashouts will on average be lower, it's entirely possible that you have more of them...

For example, let's say you start with 100 euros, and you're happy to walk away with 200
On a lower volatility game, you'll hit this 200 more often than a higher one BUT when you do get a cash-out it is more likely to be higher.

I think it would be a good idea if all online slots were given a volatility rating, acquired from testing results set by ukgc so it would be a universal measurement, perhaps a number between 1 to 100?

edit: just realised that would likely get confused with rtp, so maybe 1 to 10

 

[Playford7]

The whole online slotting world is as trustworthy as a Nigerian email.

 

[goatwack]

The whole online slotting world is as trustworthy as a Nigerian email.

You wouldn't be saying that if you were the lucky recipient of 24,000,000 Nigerian Bitcoin, like I was

You cynical b*stard

 

[Playford7]

You wouldn't be saying that if you were the lucky recipient of 24,000,000 Nigerian Bitcoin, like I was

You cynical b*stard

Haha! I was offered double that earlier, turned it down sadly due to poor grammar. Probably accredited here somewhere lol

 

[Mouche12]

Signing up with different aliases is just not possible. Well, they can but they will not be able to deposit any money... I expect that like the UK envisages in the near future, casinos with a Dutch license will be required to have proof of player's identity before they can make a deposit.

 

[trancemonkey]

I think it would be a good idea if all online slots were given a volatility rating, acquired from testing results set by ukgc so it would be a universal measurement, perhaps a number between 1 to 100?

edit: just realised that would likely get confused with rtp, so maybe 1 to 10

We do give them volatility ratings... whether these are used publicly is up to the casinos. Problem is each manufacturer has a different scale

 

[mack341]

We do give them volatility ratings... whether these are used publicly is up to the casinos. Problem is each manufacturer has a different scale

yes that's what I was thinking, it would need to be based on a universal standard of measurement, e.g. when the testing for ukgc is carried out to determine the rtp, they could also test for volatility, and award a score. I have seen some volatility ratings provided to the public by red tiger and also elk, but its pretty meaningless as each system is different.

 

[Bloatgoat]

We do give them volatility ratings... whether these are used publicly is up to the casinos. Problem is each manufacturer has a different scale

Oh boy if players start to play based on volatilty ratings instead of the actually provided game. Quick, hide all the info.

I'm waking up every day with a clear mind, any idea how great it feels having ZERO stress based on gambling?