old chicago casino ?

[zebedy]

does anybody know anything about a casino called old chicago casino only i received an email from them stating it was there grand opening and they they had a $7nd bonus,
i think they are new ,they are microgaming i found this on there about us page,

About Us

Webbet is licensed by The Malta Lotteries and Gaming Authority, license number LGA/CL1/290/2006.
Our registered company address is Office 2, Suite A, Dolphin Court A, Embassy Way, TaXbiex MSD 11, Malta.

OLD CHICAGO CASINO is generally governed by Maltese Law and as a result, casino registration and acceptance of our terms and conditions is essentially a contract between the Webbet Limited and the individual player.

only when i try to download i get the message

the file was blocked because it does not have a valid digital signature that verifies its publisher

when i read that alarm bells started ringing, so was just wondering if its another scam

 

[SELVY1]

I played this casino and I didn't have your problem (maybe because I'm rom Italy?)

by the way I don't reccomend it because I had to ask for my welcome bonus several times sending emails (never happend before in a MG casino!!)...

PS moneys lost in a short time..


ciao

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Hi zebedy its probably from the same group as rome casino and many more offering $7 nd upon signing up.

Most off these no deposit bonuses cant be withdrawn from these casinos.

 

[KasinoKing]

There's already a thread running about this place here:-
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/oldcrapmeistercasino-new-microgaming.26706/

 

[WEBBET LTD]

Hi all,

Frank from Webbet LTD and Old Chicago Casino here, glad to see you have all spotted us already!

Having made my presence known over in 'Introduce Yourself' i just wanted to stop by here also and see if there is anything I can help clear up for you?

Just let me know if you have any questions Meister Members!

Frank

 

[aka23]

Having made my presence known over in 'Introduce Yourself' i just wanted to stop by here also and see if there is anything I can help clear up for you?

I noticed your T&C matches sections of the MiniVegas T&C word-for-word. Your bonus weightings also match MiniVegas' unique weightings. Are you connected with that group?

 

[c_note]

Old Chicago & Minivegas

Aka23, yep, Same people/assocations.

Different companies though 'cos Old Chicago is Malta Licensed, the rest are in Kahnawake.

Compare the home page of Old Chigaco to Grand Hotel
Then compare the italian notes in the source of both home pages. And file names used on the site, naming conventions, and if you get bored, email them both, and check the mail headers in the reply..
Site is also hosted on the same netblock as most of the Minivegas group..


back to my hole again..

 

[Alexishot69]

Hi there

Hi all,

Frank from Webbet LTD and Old Chicago Casino here, glad to see you have all spotted us already!

Having made my presence known over in 'Introduce Yourself' i just wanted to stop by here also and see if there is anything I can help clear up for you?

Just let me know if you have any questions Meister Members!

Frank

Hi frank
im presuming that your company that runs webbet ltd also runs the website webbet.com ???? the site where no links work and after a little searching find that its related to betonsports,worldsportsbook and several other websites and is infact based here>>Costa Rica - Radigrafica Costarricense ???

 

[c_note]

Webbet.com

Jumping in before Frank

Webbet Ltd has nothing to do with webbet.com

webbet Ltd is a malta registired company, Licensed in Malta, using Microgaming software.

webbet.com is a CR based operation, uses iNet software.

back to my hole

 

[vinylweatherman]

Jumping in before Frank

Webbet Ltd has nothing to do with webbet.com

webbet Ltd is a malta registired company, Licensed in Malta, using Microgaming software.

webbet.com is a CR based operation, uses iNet software.

back to my hole

It was an unfortunate choice of name then, the worst thing for a new casino is to have the same name as a rogue operator. A "Ltd" company would be expected to be the source of an URL bearing it's company name<dot>com, so if there is a site named webbet<dot>com, and a new company pops up called Webbet Ltd, players are bound to ask questions about an association.

Links to MiniVegas have been mentioned, although I have just had a look and it isn't obvious to me. Many similarities in terms are coincidence, as I am sure there are some default suggestions that come with any MG casino, such as the MG bonus system rules. MiniVegas tend to mix promotions between the bonus system and with alternative rules, not something I can see with Old Chicago, where the SUB rules are nothing like the MiniVegas rules for the SUB, which usually runs outside the MG bonus system.

Simply having a 100% SUB under "promotions" is a little boring (except perhaps for bonus whores), and gives no indication of what regular players are likely to see running. The loyalty system is not "unique", it's bog standard MG - 1 point per 10 credits wagered, and 1000 points for 10 cashback (which is BONUS, not real cash).
Other MG casinos have moved away from this, and use tiered systems that reward regular players more the more they play. No mention of a VIP scheme either.

 

[Rusty]

My question is why are the banking options so limited?
Also you accept Moneybookers deposits but they are not a cashout option

 

[vinylweatherman]

My question is why are the banking options so limited?
Also you accept Moneybookers deposits but they are not a cashout option

I have expanded upon this in introductions. Their banking pages are a mess

If you read them, and click through to "withdrawals", you would see Moneybookers mentioned, yet presumably you have reliable evidence to the contrary

I have also found the rules for credit card withdrawals somewhat confusing, depending on where you read, credit card withdrawals vary from "unavailable" to "mandatory" - you could hardly have a WIDER difference of opinion, could you

 

[Rusty]

I have expanded upon this in introductions. Their banking pages are a mess

If you read them, and click through to "withdrawals", you would see Moneybookers mentioned, yet presumably you have reliable evidence to the contrary

I have also found the rules for credit card withdrawals somewhat confusing, depending on where you read, credit card withdrawals vary from "unavailable" to "mandatory" - you could hardly have a WIDER difference of opinion, could you

Ahh the website has been updated since last Week, then there were only 3 withdrawal options listed.
Either that or I am mixing this site up with another one but I think I am right as I decided not to try because of no MB withdrawals.

 

[player-72]

old

Ahh the website has been updated since last Week, then there were only 3 withdrawal options listed.
Either that or I am mixing this site up with another one but I think I am right as I decided not to try because of no MB withdrawals.

If they are liked to Mini Vegas,probably there is no neteller withdrawals,because Mini Vegas not paying back to neteller(my own experience).

 

[WEBBET LTD]

Hi all,

Yes indeed Rusty, our banking section has been updated since that time, and before it did appear to be far more limited.

As mentioned, Vinylweatherman has made some succinct, valid observations on our thread in 'Introduce Yourself' which are currently under review so please expect changes soon!

Similarly if any other members have considerations for us regarding our website, please just let me know and I will deal with them/pass them on if required.
All greatly appreciated!

Also, thanks for beating me to it there C_note, appreciate your helpful answer
C_note is correct - we are not in any way related to Webbet.com, nor Mini Vegas. We are a wholly independent company and entirely separate from either of them.

Thanks for the comments

Frank
Webbet LTD

 

[aka23]

C_note is correct - we are not in any way related to Webbet.com, nor Mini Vegas. We are a wholly independent company and entirely separate from either of them.

C_note noted some interesting similarities between MiniVegas and OldChicago. Similarities include:

1. The source code for the Old Chicago home page is remarkably similar to the source code for Grand Hotel (part of MiniVegas). It looks like the code was cut and pasted, as a template, then the relevant names were changed. It even contains identical programmer's comments in Italian. For example, after the last div the programmer writes "Chiude container generale" (means closes general container).

2. Old Chicago is IP address 209.47.15.230 . The MiniVegas group is in the same IP address block at 209.47.15.235+

3. Emails headers from old Chicago match email headers from the MiniVegas group.

4. Portions of the T&C used by Old Chicago match word-for-word with the MiniVegas group. A Google search does not show any other MG casinos using these phrases, only Old Chicago and MiniVegas.

5. Grand Hotel uses unique game weightings for their bonus, including 10% weightings on BJ, VP, and roulette. I believe only one other MG group uses these weightings -- MiniVegas.

Are you sure that there is no connection to MiniVegas? Perhaps some resources are shared between the two groups, but they are operated fully independently?

 

[suzy1975]

I played this casino and I didn't have your problem (maybe because I'm rom Italy?)

by the way I don't reccomend it because I had to ask for my welcome bonus several times sending emails (never happend before in a MG casino!!)...

PS moneys lost in a short time..


ciao

the casino is actually okay as casinos go but there is no phone number and no livechat leaving you to wait on emails

 

[suzy1975]

free 7 pounds and the chances of winning

There's already a thread running about this place here:-
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/oldcrapmeistercasino-new-microgaming.26706/

i was awarded 7 pounds and initially did quite well with my gaming but after an hour of play just when i was eligible to withdraw i had another 7 pounds "mistakenly" credited therefore doubling my wager requirement and of course no phone number to contact them and i had to wait on an email getting to them and when this happened it took 3 emails to even get any sort of sense, i have been told they are looking at it now and will get back to me so watch this space and ill let you know

 

[Bryan]

I requested a cashout yestarday and contacted the manger to know if i can withdraw through MB...i'm waiting a response yet.

 

[Bryan]

I received a response from the manager where he declair that ist possible to use MB to withdraw becasue this method in unavailable to Italy and he told me to choose another method between credit card, neteller, click2pay, cheque, wire transfer and ecocard...i asked to process the cashout before in my credi card and if isn't possible to use click2pay...stay tuned

 

[UKDafoe]

Frank, would you care to respond to the similarities between Old Chicago and MiniVegas as mentioned a few posts above?

It would also be nice for you to answer the earlier question as to whether you will pull the same rogue tactic as MiniVegas of saying on your website you offer Neteller withdrawals but instead sending checks.

Simply leaving these questions unanswered as you have at this point does not at all help your casino's credibility.


P.S. I am amused you chose "Old Chicago" as your casino name, but don't allow Americans.

 

[suzy1975]

old chicago again

the casino is actually okay as casinos go but there is no phone number and no livechat leaving you to wait on emails

i have now got an issue with the said casino but can not get anywhere as i have sent numerous emails and also asked Frank from web bet to contact me but in 3 weeks i have nothing can any1 tell me how to contact them as there is no phone or live chat and i dont have any other ideas

 

[Bryan]

The Webbet Payment support told me that I should receive the payment whitin 2-4 business days.

 

[Bryan]

I spoke with Webbet Ltd and he told me the cashout has been processed but i have to wait 2-4 days. Between tomorrow and Thursday i should receive the payment on my Moneybookers account

 

[Bryan]

I'm here to declaire i received in this moment the amount of 800 from Old Chicago Casino. I've had a good experience with it. Thanks Frank (Webbet Ltd) for the assistance and support until now

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[maxd]

i have now got an issue with the said casino but can not get anywhere ....

I thought we had agreed that since these issues of yours were being handled via PAB that you'd cease and desist from debating them here on the message boards.

I've heard back from the casino and discovered that after you submitted your PAB you continued to debate the issue here on the boards and offline with their representatives, including threats to them that you would use Casinomeister against them if they didn't do what you wanted. Early on I told you that continued public debate would negate my PAB efforts. These other activities of yours are simply unacceptable.

Needless to say, I'm done with your PAB. I will forward you my conclusions privately.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Frank, would you care to respond to the similarities between Old Chicago and MiniVegas as mentioned a few posts above?

It would also be nice for you to answer the earlier question as to whether you will pull the same rogue tactic as MiniVegas of saying on your website you offer Neteller withdrawals but instead sending checks.

Simply leaving these questions unanswered as you have at this point does not at all help your casino's credibility.


P.S. I am amused you chose "Old Chicago" as your casino name, but don't allow Americans.

Old Chicago is not a new casino, the MG casino of this name was operating in 2006, and was one of those involved in the "illegitimate play" affair with Mini Vegas. It was then a little used casino, and although run under Mini Vegas, was not being marketed widely to new players (if at all).

The most likely explanation for the similarities is that Webbet have bought the under utilised Old Chicago casino and made it their own, inheriting the website along with it, and this would explain why some of the old Mini Vegas styling has remained.

Of more concern is the seeming inability of players to get a timely response from CS, along with no live chat and phone options. In general, casinos that only offer Email should be avoided unless there are other reasons to consider them as being good, such as being Casinomeister accredited.

Old Chicago does at least have a Casinomeister rep, but he should remember that Malta has somewhat dropped the ball when it comes to being "actively protecting the player's interests", and it is a case of trusting the casino, rather than relying on Malta to intervene should things go wrong. This is similar to the situation with Kahnawake licensed casinos.