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250x your stake would be very low on most slots and would make it very unappealing. Its bad enough that the fobts "caps" your wins at 500 when you would clearly win more
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On a fiver it would be 1250 so yes it would still be a fair amount more than your 500 but still nothing compared to what it is currently. The more you look at it the more it is hard to see how the casinos will survive. I am sure they will not cap sports betting. I doubt people will be made to cap a bet at 2 pounds! It will be the end of big bet/high rollers on slots that is one thing for sure. Usually when they go on and on about something like they did with banning credit cards and making every casino register with gamstop it looks like it really could be the end for them. Many have already ceased to provide services in the UK and the others are just about hanging on in there250x your stake would be very low on most slots and would make it very unappealing. Its bad enough that the fobts "caps" your wins at 500 when you would clearly win more
Yep, Rizk seem to be the new Casumo. I would advise people to stay away from them now.
Yes the credit card thing is stupid. If you want to gamble you will use your debit card, borrow money, some people even steal it from their bosses. I think if there is a deposit limit of 1000 a month then it would be unjustifiable and not sensible to allow people to stake 50 pounds a spin. 20 spins and that is it for the month. I think they have left themselves with no option than to reduce the stakes to 2 pounds. The fact that someone can bet and gamble in their room unnoticed will be a huge factor. The operators will probably be happy as they will likely get less fines or regulatory action as there is less that can go wrong. A stake reduction looks 99% likely but if it is 2 pounds that is more uncertain. When they change the legislation it will be a lot different, they haven't decided to change the law just to change it a bit, as the MPs have said, they want an overhaul revamp the whole thing to bring it up to scratch and do it to address the current situation. Yes many more casinos will go...but look at shops that have gone over the years, woolworths, topshop, Debenhams. Casinos are another industry and they shouldn't be treated differently. People who worked in all these shops will lose jobs...so these People working at the casinos will just have to relocate or find new jobs just like other industries..the government won't make any special treatment for casinos. Why should they?Have to remember that big UK operators who main products are sportbooks, have qutie strong lobbying in UK as well, they know how to make themselves heard and can paint horror pictures how many jobs and taxes will be lost if they run out of business etc... Don't see it anything 100% sure to get any max bet rules, instead max loss or deposits could be something which will be introduced.
If UKGC wanna make some extreme regulations, these big UK bookies will be hardest hitten, any other operators which are located mostly in Malta etc... don't have UK their main market and could survive without, as we can see, many been left already and few don't give a shite about market as you see how much they care player retention and not even try to make their SOW and other processes to be reasonable, you get some deposits from UK but also pay loads of taxes and hard to forecast regulations which if followed correctly make you spend loads in that etc....
So when there is final decision do government really wanna try to solve problem gambling and quit gambling as we know it today, even it's big financial loss in taxes, jobs, license fees etc... or to make something what "maybe could help litle bit but don't really make any difference" like ban credit cards and other useless staff they have done so far, i would bet for last option that they are happy that money keep coming, ok there are few problem gamblers but there always have been as long human have known how to gamble.
Yeah but difference is, government policy didn't force those shops to close. They were badly managed and didn't keep up with the change in consumer spending habits.Yes the credit card thing is stupid. If you want to gamble you will use your debit card, borrow money, some people even steal it from their bosses. I think if there is a deposit limit of 1000 a month then it would be unjustifiable and not sensible to allow people to stake 50 pounds a spin. 20 spins and that is it for the month. I think they have left themselves with no option than to reduce the stakes to 2 pounds. The fact that someone can bet and gamble in their room unnoticed will be a huge factor. The operators will probably be happy as they will likely get less fines or regulatory action as there is less that can go wrong. A stake reduction looks 99% likely but if it is 2 pounds that is more uncertain. When they change the legislation it will be a lot different, they haven't decided to change the law just to change it a bit, as the MPs have said, they want an overhaul revamp the whole thing to bring it up to scratch and do it to address the current situation. Yes many more casinos will go...but look at shops that have gone over the years, woolworths, topshop, Debenhams. Casinos are another industry and they shouldn't be treated differently. People who worked in all these shops will lose jobs...so these People working at the casinos will just have to relocate or find new jobs just like other industries..the government won't make any special treatment for casinos. Why should they?
I don't recall saying I was keen for them to struggle. I was merely stating what is happening and what I have read. I was just saying casinos are a business. So is a shop. So is a pub. So when people are saying they won't being in many restrictions as casino's will struggle....I am just asking what makes them different to any other business? I am not the one writing the reports I am just explaining what is likely to happen based on what I have read. I dont want anyone to struggle, people's families need the income from jobs. There is probably a mental health issue as you say but the problem is that part of the reason is that those with mental health problems don't want to talk, but rather tackle it themselves. Are the casinos going to help and offer them help? No. So that is why in order to eradicate that the government could take matters into their own hands by updating law to make it more in line with the rest of Europe which looks more reasonable. What they decide is amyokes guess but I know that they are targeting themYeah but difference is, government policy didn't force those shops to close. They were badly managed and didn't keep up with the change in consumer spending habits.
Why are you so keen for casinos to struggle? At the end of the day, the buck stops with the person gambling. It is their actions alone which gets them into a mess. Where has personal accountability gone?
You have to remember that gambling addiction is often a symptom of wider mental health issues, not a cause. Maybe more effort should be put into solving the mental health crisis in general rather than nibbling around the edges?

IN Germany it will be €1 max bet and 5 second spins from July 1 so it wouldn't be the most restrictive in Europe....I am positive it won't be £2. FOTB's are different to online in that FOTB max win is £500, it isn't online.
There will be more restrictions but I'm certain there won't be a blanket £2 max stake across everything.
I hope they do quite frankly, anyone betting upwards of £5 a spin is either a fake or a multi millionaire.Dont under estimate the stupidity of the UKGC, they will introduce the £2 stake but even they are going have to realize it cant apply to table games.
You can't do fast spins in the UK anymore. But they are not quite 5 seconds apart, maybe 2 or 3 seconds. They are thinking of maybe 30 seconds but that would be ridiculous. People would get fed up! It will no way be 1 pound here per spin. Tombola do a maximum of 1 pound but that is their choice. I think it will be somewhere between 2 and 5. That would still be a lot compared to Germany. But we will need to wait and seeIN Germany it will be €1 max bet and 5 second spins from July 1 so it wouldn't be the most restrictive in Europe....
I agree with that. You need to be a multi millionaire to do spins at a tenner a time. 100 spins is 1000 pounds and sometimes that can be done in 5 or 10 minutes so you can easily spend 10000 in an hour (loss) at 10 pounds a spin!I hope they do quite frankly, anyone betting upwards of £5 a spin is either a fake or a multi millionaire.
Streamers are cancer.I agree with that. You need to be a multi millionaire to do spins at a tenner a time. 100 spins is 1000 pounds and sometimes that can be done in 5 or 10 minutes so you can easily spend 10000 in an hour (loss) at 10 pounds a spin!
I've been known to do £10 spins now and then (rarely though)I hope they do quite frankly, anyone betting upwards of £5 a spin is either a fake or a multi millionaire.

Knew you would respond lol, secret millionaire lolI've been known to do £10 spins now and then (rarely though)
As I'm not fake then I must be.....
brb, just going to check down the settee, must have dropped some money there![]()
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I think we have all had a go at a tenner a time. I certainly have done the 10 20 and 30 pound hi rollers. But if people are constantly playing 10 pounds a spin all the time they must be going though a lot!!I've been known to do £10 spins now and then (rarely though)
As I'm not fake then I must be.....
brb, just going to check down the settee, must have dropped some money there![]()
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It’s hardly a sustainable thing, even for my millionaire mate col, and he knows this...I think we have all had a go at a tenner a time. I certainly have done the 10 20 and 30 pound hi rollers. But if people are constantly playing 10 pounds a spin all the time they must be going though a lot!!
I dont think Colin meant it like that, he doesn't (i am sure) play on them at a tenner all the time. It isn't possible as you said. But people do occasionally up the stake. They just won't be able to do it anymore when the changes come in. Not to a high amount like that anyway!It’s hardly a sustainable thing, even for my millionaire mate col, and he knows this...
let’s see him do 2 hours a day, 5 days a week on them stakes...
we all know it’s not possible.
Only when I'm low rollingI dont think Colin meant it like that, he doesn't (i am sure) play on them at a tenner all the time.

Haha behave Col!! OK then maybe 20 quid a spin when times are hard!! You have somehow changed the software so the minimum bet is 2 poundsOnly when I'm low rolling![]()
I think Bojo has a little slot session every Tuesday night! In fact I reckon when he is late for the daily briefings he has probably hit a bonus and can't leave it until the feature is complete! That is why he is sometimes in a buoyant mood when he comes on! And sometimes when he ends the briefings abruptly he has probably just lost a few hundred quid and is thinking right let me get back on it!!What pisses me off is the continuous erosion of freedom of choice by people who know nothing about the industry and have
probably never played a slot in their lives,Whether you can afford it or not ,the amount you spend and what you spend it on
has nothing whatsover to with them.Most of us have already paid a chunk of tax on that money surely we should be able
to do what we want with it.
Completely agree.What pisses me off is the continuous erosion of freedom of choice by people who know nothing about the industry and have
probably never played a slot in their lives,Whether you can afford it or not ,the amount you spend and what you spend it on
has nothing whatsover to with them.Most of us have already paid a chunk of tax on that money surely we should be able
to do what we want with it.
It is like an airline businessman being in control once he has taken over a football club- he may not know a lot about football but he is controlling it. He sacks the manager, appoints a new one, controls transfers etc but it is still happening. Even though the government dont understand about casinos like the UKGC or that casino player they just see the end scenario - people having problems which in turn puts a strain on the NHS and then crimes are committed in other cases, in worse scenarios suicide. And that then becomes a problem for the government so they need to act amd make changes in accordance with that to make their job easier. I know there are things in place now, the government will know about time outs etc...that much they will know. They are not oblivious to it - but their attitude will be that whatever there is in place obviously isn't working so we will now make it law so it will work. Then if people want to still go and set an account up at an unlicensed casino you may end up finding that them sites in time will eventually be blocked too. Whether we like it or not they will bring these changes in and like with other things in life we cannot really do much about it. You can't buy more than 2 packs of paracetamol in a shop...but you can go back 10 minutes later and get another 2 packs...so perhaps here you would need to spread your money around the casinos? I agree we should be free to spend our money on what we want. We earned it that is very true and so right...but it won't stop our actions being a problem for the government later on. Amd the government have been under a lot of pressure to make these changes for a while now. They hit the high streets, now they are hitting online. And before anyone says why am I keen for them to struggle, I am not. I have not said it should happen because I want it to - I am just merely stating what they will do and why I think they are doing it.Completely agree.
People work hard for their money, don't need to be told how much of it we're allowed to spend on each thing. Quite frankly it's intruding on personal choice and freedoms. Surely we should be able to opt out of being nannied. Those who feel they have an issue can then be free to be dictated to how they choose.
The thing is there are a myriad of tools these days already in existence to help gamblers. Time outs, cool off periods, loss limits, deposit limits, non reversible withdrawals and at casinos like VS you can already set your max bet etc. There is no excuse for draconian measures by the UKGC.
They are all valid points. Well the majority who haven't got a gambling problem as you say will still be able to play wont they? The 2 pound max stake shouldn't be an issue as well as all the people who like to put their 1 pound accumulators on each week for a bit of fun. Banning it completely might be a good thing for the high street shops as more people will go and this will create more jobs. Shops can be controlled more than online. You are true what you say but when the government bring in these new laws nobody can really do anything. Just carry on with it. It won't affect most people as you said so the vast majority of people who like to play can still do it.Just see these actions to be quite useless, people been gambling and lost their houses in card games etc... far as history can be see, that magic £2 max bet wouldn't stop any problem gambler from losing, with that bet size you can still lose hundreds in hour when many gambling addicts have ended up to situation that they gamble everything when they get money, their gambling budget might be relatively low as they spend everything, that £2 max bet wouldn't really help them. I think average disposable income in UK some years ago was £1850 or something, how long time you need to lose that to slots even with £2 bets? Not many days i guess.
Banning things haven't yet help in anything, there are more drug addicts than ever same time when laws against them have been made more strict in last 100 years or something. Alcohol was banned in many places, did it stop people drinking or did it create huge cashflow for criminals who were selling booze?
You can't force people not to bang their head to wall if they willing to do that, you can try to educate them and tell that it hearts and don't make good for you. Like people should be more educated that every cent you play to slots, is most probably lost money and off from other things you might wanted to spend it, i think there are quite a lot information available and big majority of people don't think they get rich buy playing slots but just wanna have their little excitment in chance of win, like big majority of people can handle their alcohol and drug consuming and not ending up to be homeless addicts.
I can't just figure out many examples from history when banning or limiting something really strictly would get really good results, maybe there are but just failing to find these. In this one as well, more logical it would be make whole gambling illegal if want to send message that it's not ok and we don't want people to do that instead of making tons of silly regulations when trying to save people just be little bit addicted but not over £2 spins. It's quite small percent of people who really come to severe gambling addicts, is that small groups problem so huge that majority of people need to be limited because of them? There should be much more efficient way to help these people than trying to limit their doings which they easily can circumvent anyway.
So they are basically trying to make up for their screw ups before? Which is wrong as in 17 years that would have ruined many peoples lives. These changes have come too late for these poor people. In fact one MP resigned over it. I can see why they want to change the law now bringing in 2 pound max stake, deposit limits, wagering limits per month etc to make sure they don't make the same mistakes as they did for the FOBTs. I am still surprised they didn't make the changes online at the same time as in shops. That was ridiculous really but I suppose later is better than never. Where will the streamers go now though? Very few streamers to 2 pounds or less, stop and step is the only one I think!People seem to forget about FOBT,s, the most evil machines ever made freely available for adults on every high street.
These operated almost uncontrolled for 17 years and the high st bookies opened new shops just to run as many of
these as possible,during this time the councils and the treasury made a fortune out of them.
With stakes of up to £100 to a spin on roullete, they must have created serious problems for thousands of people,
many popping in with the weeks pension or wages and walking out with nothing.Some of these people will have
migrated to online gaming when restrictions were finally brought in (they tried to delay that for 6 months due to
pressure from the treasury).
All that seems to have brushed under the carpet,the Governments never mention the fact they caused many
of the problems that they are now saying cost the NHS a fortune so I reallly dont go for the caring approach
they aŕe pretending to peddle now.Hypocrites is the mildest thing I can say about them
They are all valid points. Well the majority who haven't got a gambling problem as you say will still be able to play wont they? The 2 pound max stake shouldn't be an issue as well as all the people who like to put their 1 pound accumulators on each week for a bit of fun. Banning it completely might be a good thing for the high street shops as more people will go and this will create more jobs. Shops can be controlled more than online. You are true what you say but when the government bring in these new laws nobody can really do anything. Just carry on with it. It won't affect most people as you said so the vast majority of people who like to play can still do it.
I think they have exhausted all the possibilities with all the help and advice, time outs, gamstop even. But it is obvious that there are still loopholes and many many people are still suffering and the last option is to bring these changes in this year. I think they would have done it before but were hoping gamstop would sort it. It obviously hasn't so that is why they have said that the max stake will come in. I suppose it was their last choice but they are pressured into doing it. Well the last resort would be to ban it altogether but they can't really do that (they can, but they won't that should be). It will just mean that people will be sat there for longer doing 2 pound spins. But then there will still be wagering limits. In fact casinos have brought them in already before the law has actually been passed yet! They must know something we don't!There still is no any law made for max bets but these new regulations are reviewed so at the moment even gaming companies can make their voice heard and raise opinions about things they think are not good there. After that law one day is enforced, then it's difficult to change but in democracy there often are many ways to get your thoughts heard by instances who are preparing and then enforcing these laws.
Like mentioned in some earlier post, especially these big UK bookies do get their opinions heard, they haven't been lobbying and making friends years and years for nothing, of course not gonna get what you with money as that's corruption but in civilized countries, all voices usually are heard and from different pieces of information they try to get best resul as legislation.
I don't believe that they want to make something which don't work just cause of making it, if there are good enough arguments against and for alternative soutions to reduce harms better way, they are just not stupid and ignore all these other views and blindly do something what somebody thought is good idea but turned out that reality it's not.
I think they have exhausted all the possibilities with all the help and advice, time outs, gamstop even. But it is obvious that there are still loopholes and many many people are still suffering and the last option is to bring these changes in this year. I think they would have done it before but were hoping gamstop would sort it. It obviously hasn't so that is why they have said that the max stake will come in. I suppose it was their last choice but they are pressured into doing it. Well the last resort would be to ban it altogether but they can't really do that (they can, but they won't that should be). It will just mean that people will be sat there for longer doing 2 pound spins. But then there will still be wagering limits. In fact casinos have brought them in already before the law has actually been passed yet! They must know something we don't!
Of course there are loads of material which is shared only between regulator and industry and not available public, that would make it too easy to find loopholes from regulations, most of things published in UKGC website, have much more detailed rules and practices but these are not meant to be shared, loads of communication have this kind of text in them:Well it looks like things are about to get all mixed and mashed up! The casinos will not like it at all will they?? But the changes are imminentWagering limits are easy way for casinos to set limit somewhere what most of average people could lose and then just raise it from request with SOW, that's one quite easy way not to get troubles for allowing people gamble too mcuh. Been there for ages so no any new secretOf course there are loads of material which is shared only between regulator and industry and not available public, that would make it too easy to find loopholes from regulations, most of things published in UKGC website, have much more detailed rules and practices but these are not meant to be shared, loads of communication have this kind of text in them:
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Slight change of topic here but Nick must have some serious luck on his side, he won like £13k on DHV, was playing high stakes but gotta love his reactions, nearly as exciting as @dunover multi million pound bonus recently
Yeah inthink he said he was 15k up last year altogether. I saw that video. He managed it with disco balls!Slight change of topic here but Nick must have some serious luck on his side, he won like £13k on DHV, was playing high stakes but gotta love his reactions, nearly as exciting as @dunover multi million pound bonus recently
Yeah inthink he said he was 15k up last year altogether. I saw that video. He managed it with disco balls!
Definitely helps when you get 100% deposit bonuses with seemingly no max bets to
That is true! All that free money and only 15k up ans he played every day! Stop and step did a stream yesterday with 3 to 4 pound stakes. He said he seems to get smaller wins (multiplier) the bigger the stake. The slots are all set up like that. 1 quid spin gave dunover 13k, would it have given 260k on 20 quid a go? No lolDefinitely helps when you get 100% deposit bonuses with seemingly no max bets too!
Haha i don't even know what @dunover won or what they played lol
Ahh that is incredible! Lucky to get that hit. Imagine if he would have increased the stake a bit more, could have won £1b!!He streamed for the first time and won 750 million. Incredible luck.
It was at Casumo though, so unfortunately they have asked for proof of wealth from his great great great great grandfather who made his money in 1792, that @dunover indirectly inherited £20 from and are refusing to pay unless he supplies his bank statements from back then.Ahh that is incredible! Lucky to get that hit. Imagine if he would have increased the stake a bit more, could have won £1b!!
It was at Casumo though, so unfortunately they have asked for proof of wealth from his great great great great grandfather who made his money in 1792, that @dunover indirectly inherited £20 from and are refusing to pay unless he supplies his bank statements from back then.
Like chip does at Nektan... hahaha sorry couldn’t resist.Don't be silly, he's a streamer now, it'll get approved and be in his bank by the end of the stream. He'll also show his bank statement on the next stream which will 100% confirm it was his money!
That is what is proposed. Try reading what they are expecting to do. If you type in expected changes on Google to the Gambling Act that is what they are going to push for and it looks like it will go through. Been on the cards for a while, just like FOBTs were. They got delayed then came in. Changes are coming.
