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[The Viking]

I'm on top
I'm there twice and I don't even know what the 316x is. The K's, maybe?

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Edit: nope, the 316x was last weekend.

the 316x is from the 23rd of june, so its from that last time you kissed the ice lady i reckon

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That's a splendid hit Balth, congrats It's always nice to see one of the fine folks here at CM winning, even if it's not me

We already know full well that this slot is about two variations on a single theme:

1) 5OAKs in the base game are your 'balance maintainers', all the other pays are so small as to be effectively worthless. (This is what can make the slot so damn harsh, without those 50-200x stake wins dropping in reasonably regularly, this slot will make dog meat of you.)

2) 5OAKs in free spins on a big multiplier are where your wins will come from, (the kind of win that might actually give you a decent cashout), and that's literally the only place they can come from.

The 100x10 free spins round gives the best 'target window', but going off what Enzo said about all spins being random and equal, ANY free spins round on a big multiplier can pay 1000-2000x stake on a single spin, add in a few more decent spins on the same round and you're into 2500x-3000x or better territory.

(You could argue there's an inbetween strata where you get a few non-multiplied 5OAKs in quick succession in normal spins, and/or a 5OAK on a smaller multiplier in free spins, but it basically divides into the two things above.)

As we can see from Balth's hit there (and indeed my big 5OAK that came off a three scatters trigger on a big multiplier), the slot can and does pay - but the 'dead zones' can be so long and so brutal that riding it out to one can be an exercise in extreme frustration and depressing deposit-destruction.

I still say this slot needs a secondary bonus round to take some of the edge off it and to make it possible to ride out the 5OAK droughts, because they have absolutely destroyed me on this slot this month.

Have you asked live chat for your lifetime stats on the slot Balth? Would be interesting to see what they are.

 

[Balthazar]

Have you asked live chat for your lifetime stats on the slot Balth? Would be interesting to see what they are.

Here:

Spins: 2984
RTP: 146.28%

So I kissed the Ice Queen twice in ~3000 spins.

Since 100% of my spins were at $0.20...
Total wagered: $596.80
Total won: $871.33 ($429 of it comes from the two 100X10 features)

With both 100x10 features = 146% RTP
With only the first kiss = 93% RTP
Without the 2 kisses = 74% RTP

So in my case, nearly half the RTP came from the two 100x10 features.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just goes to show how two people can have massively different experiences on the same slot!

I should however give some kudos here to 3Dice, as well as generously comping me this month, I also emailed their support to say I was going to be slowing my play down dramatically next month and watching my VIP status decline as a result would feel like a bit of a kick in the rear. (As the 3Dice system is playthrough based, so no or little playthrough means VIP status declining.)

They got back in touch with me to say that given the circumstances they would put my VIP status on hold for a little while so that it wouldn't start dropping after the next day 10 day 'evaluation' block.

I'll think I'll still take the bonus offers next month (I'm up to Silver **** IIRC so they're pretty good), but other than that it'll be a quiet month for slotting methinks.

 

[just play]

Just goes to show how two people can have massively different experiences on the same slot!

I should however give some kudos here to 3Dice, as well as generously comping me this month, I also emailed their support to say I was going to be slowing my play down dramatically next month and watching my VIP status decline as a result would feel like a bit of a kick in the rear. (As the 3Dice system is playthrough based, so no or little playthrough means VIP status declining.)

They got back in touch with me to say that given the circumstances they would put my VIP status on hold for a little while so that it wouldn't start dropping after the next day 10 day 'evaluation' block.



I'll think I'll still take the bonus offers next month (I'm up to Silver **** IIRC so they're pretty good), but other than that it'll be a quiet month for slotting methinks.

So, your getting treatment that other depositers don't get? I was at Gold and my VIP status went right back down a few months back? (I don't play there at the moment)

Of course it feels like a kick in the rear, that's how their system works, I find it very discouraging that you get special treatment...like a kick in the butt to me and other players.

Seems strange to me.

 

[Blathaon]

So, your getting treatment that other depositers don't get? I was at Gold and my VIP status went right back down a few months back? (I don't play there at the moment)

Of course it feels like a kick in the rear, that's how their system works, I find it very discouraging that you get special treatment...like a kick in the butt to me and other players.

Seems strange to me.

It's like this in any business, if you are vocal about stuff and they feel like your business is worth it you will get a better deal. If you feel like you are underpaid at work and ask for a raise, you will most likely get it if you are valuable enough, or cannot easily be replaced.
The silent majority and the vocal minority.

I never ask for free stuff at casinos, but i have received comps at different casinos when i have pointed out technical problems.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So, your getting treatment that other depositers don't get? I was at Gold and my VIP status went right back down a few months back? (I don't play there at the moment)

Of course it feels like a kick in the rear, that's how their system works, I find it very discouraging that you get special treatment...like a kick in the butt to me and other players.

Seems strange to me.

I agree their VIP system is flawed, it actively punishes players who want to take a break (which generally comes after a bad run) by sending a mocking email every 10 days telling you that your VIP status has been downgraded.

It happened to me at 3Dice last year and the end result was me taking a break from the casino completely for many months, I was only tempted back by a promotional match offer and the restoration of my VIP status to its previous highest level.

That's why I asked the question upfront this time around, and I suppose 3Dice have looked at it from a commercial point of view, as far as they're concerned they've got a player who's binned nearly two grand in a month telling them that he's taking a break and he doesn't want to see his VIP status decline whilst on that break, so they've agreed to hold it where it is a for a short while.

Any such action by any casino is entirely discretionary and at the end of the day it's up to them how they run their own business, I know there are players who are treated far better at 32Red than me, but then again they play there a hell of a lot more than I do, so it's no cause for complaint.

The other point for me this month is that I've done a huge amount of playthrough (over 113K spins) in a single month to try and win Slotsmeister, so it's basically inevitable that my playthrough will be less next month and indeed any other month where I don't try and win Slotsmeister, so my play this month has been something of a statistical blip, and I wanted to flag that up to 3Dice as well.

Sometimes it's simply a case of if you don't ask you don't get, 3Dice could have replied and said 'Well sorry, but that's how our VIP system works', but then again they probably realise it'll lose them a player who when the mood takes him can deposit and lose a fair wedge of cash in a short period of time, hence making a special arrangement for me. Also note this is only a short-term thing, I don't expect them to hold my VIP status for any more than a month, if that long.

 

[dunover]

I agree their VIP system is flawed, it actively punishes players who want to take a break (which generally comes after a bad run) by sending a mocking email every 10 days telling you that your VIP status has been downgraded.

It happened to me at 3Dice last year and the end result was me taking a break from the casino completely for many months, I was only tempted back by a promotional match offer and the restoration of my VIP status to its previous highest level.

That's why I asked the question upfront this time around, and I suppose 3Dice have looked at it from a commercial point of view, as far as they're concerned they've got a player who's binned nearly two grand in a month telling them that he's taking a break and he doesn't want to see his VIP status decline whilst on that break, so they've agreed to hold it where it is a for a short while.

Any such action by any casino is entirely discretionary and at the end of the day it's up to them how they run their own business, I know there are players who are treated far better at 32Red than me, but then again they play there a hell of a lot more than I do, so it's no cause for complaint.

The other point for me this month is that I've done a huge amount of playthrough (over 113K spins) in a single month to try and win Slotsmeister, so it's basically inevitable that my playthrough will be less next month and indeed any other month where I don't try and win Slotsmeister, so my play this month has been something of a statistical blip, and I wanted to flag that up to 3Dice as well.

Sometimes it's simply a case of if you don't ask you don't get, 3Dice could have replied and said 'Well sorry, but that's how our VIP system works', but then again they probably realise it'll lose them a player who when the mood takes him can deposit and lose a fair wedge of cash in a short period of time, hence making a special arrangement for me. Also note this is only a short-term thing, I don't expect them to hold my VIP status for any more than a month, if that long.

...but they didn't because you're all over the CM forum.........

 

[skiny]

So, your getting treatment that other depositers don't get? I was at Gold and my VIP status went right back down a few months back? (I don't play there at the moment)

Of course it feels like a kick in the rear, that's how their system works, I find it very discouraging that you get special treatment...like a kick in the butt to me and other players.

Seems strange to me.

My status went from bronze 5 star to player in one day so we know the rules aren't the same for everyone. lol

 

[ChopleyIOM]

...but they didn't because you're all over the CM forum.........

Well I would hope it isn't as cynical as that I certainly don't expect to be treated differently to anyone else simply because I'm a regular poster here at CM, plus I wouldn't say I've exactly been a good advertisement for 3Dice this month, what with the absolutely mauling Arctic has inflicted upon me and my warts and all reportage of it!

I think it's just a case of if you want something in a given situation, it's worth asking for it. Last year when I had a bad run at 3Dice I just walked away, watched my VIP status decline whilst on a break, and didn't bother with the place for ages.

This year I figured I'd just be upfront about it and ask for a pause on my VIP status whilst I take a break and/or have a slowdown.

The answer was going to be 'yes' or 'no', and there's no harm in asking the question

 

[dunover]

Well I would hope it isn't as cynical as that I certainly don't expect to be treated differently to anyone else simply because I'm a regular poster here at CM, plus I wouldn't say I've exactly been a good advertisement for 3Dice this month, what with the absolutely mauling Arctic has inflicted upon me and my warts and all reportage of it!

I think it's just a case of if you want something in a given situation, it's worth asking for it. Last year when I had a bad run at 3Dice I just walked away, watched my VIP status decline whilst on a break, and didn't bother with the place for ages.

This year I figured I'd just be upfront about it and ask for a pause on my VIP status whilst I take a break and/or have a slowdown.

The answer was going to be 'yes' or 'no', and there's no harm in asking the question

Please excuse my abject cynicism but we are participating in a cynical industry.........

 

[Balthazar]

Please excuse my abject cynicism but we are participating in a cynical industry.........

IF he got it because of his posts here then good for him, there's nothing wrong with that. It's not like he was spamming the forum with links, he was sharing his experience.

He's the reason why I started playing there and I'm likely not alone.

 

[Balthazar]

Not to derail the thread but back when Chopley was posting videos last year, he had a pretty good amount of followers. Many of us joined some casinos strictly based on his experience (*cough* RedBet *cough*) and there was no affiliate link or anything. So even if he didn't do it for that reason, it's normal that the casinos (who made some money because of it) want to "reward" him a little. 3Dice is no different than the "good old days" of Youtube.

 

[skiny]

I have nothing against Chopley. The more he can get out of any casino as long as the casino is fine with it, I'm fine with it.

I am a big fan of the same rules applying to everyone though. I've seen many people complain publicly over the years that their VIP level dropped considerably because they had a rough month or got tired of the losing streak and didn't want to deposit. Mine dropped because my deposits came out of my safe. This was acceptable but they quietly changed the rules without telling anyone. I'm assuming that was done so people wouldn't dump all the money in their safes into a Skrill account and deposit from there. I'm also betting that rule doesn't apply to everyone.

The problem with this casino is most of what happens at this casino is a lot more public than most casinos. People start chatting in their chat room and some of them continue chatting outside of the chat room. I chat with some 3Dice members in MSN and I'm sure others chat with each other away from the casino too. With all of these players talking to each other a lot of what happens at this casino eventually comes out in the wash. I think most 3Dice players will agree that this casino has a history of bending rules for or against some players.

 

[NohchiPlayer]

Played this yesterday for about 20 mins, didnt get any good win. Not my favourite slot

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I am a big fan of the same rules applying to everyone though. I've seen many people complain publicly over the years that their VIP level dropped considerably because they had a rough month or got tired of the losing streak and didn't want to deposit. Mine dropped because my deposits came out of my safe. This was acceptable but they quietly changed the rules without telling anyone. I'm assuming that was done so people wouldn't dump all the money in their safes into a Skrill account and deposit from there. I'm also betting that rule doesn't apply to everyone..

Which rules do you want to apply to everyone?

Are you saying that 3Dice are unique in regards of offering different promotions and/or VIP status and/or comps and/or anything else that's discretionary to their players?

Last year I built my VIP status up, hit a bad run, took a break, my VIP status dropped down.

This year I built my VIP status up, hit a bad run, intend to take a break for a bit (or at least slow down), so I asked upfront if there was something that could be done with regards to my VIP status, and 3Dice agreed to put it on hold for a bit.

Should I email 32Red and tell them that I want all the Club Rouge rules to apply to me just because I think it should be that way?

The most important rules of all ARE the same for everyone at 3Dice, everyone plays the same games with the same RTPs in the same way as everyone else, there is no 'advantage' and indeed no difference if you deposit fifty dollars per month or fifty thousands dollars per month.

Everything beyond that is entirely at the casino's discretion. Indeed, ANY VIP system, by definition, treats different people in different ways, and pretty much every single damn casino out there runs on that sort of basis - so if 3Dice are guilty then so are 32Red, and Redbet, and Unibet, and Jackpot Party, and so on.

I've already said that I think 3Dice's VIP system is flawed insofar as it basically puts players on a treadmill, and if they stop running then their VIP status gets negatively impacted - but I do like the casino, I do like the slots, I do like the way Enzo will come out here on CM and tell people how their games are designed and how they work, I think their CS is great, so I took it upon myself to ask if the aspect of the VIP system that I don't like could be given a tweak for a short period of time to accommodate me taking a break. (The same question that anyone else is entirely free to ask of them if they choose to do so.)

This comes back to the basic point I've made before about 3Dice, they get unfairly maligned for doing exactly the same sort of things that every other casino out there does as a matter of routine, even though they're actually more transparent about why and how they operate - it kind of sucks.

 

[skiny]

Which rules do you want to apply to everyone?

All of them.

Are you saying that 3Dice are unique in regards of offering different promotions and/or VIP status and/or comps and/or anything else that's discretionary to their players?

VIP status isn't supposed to be discretionary. There's supposed to be a system in place that everyone follows. Most casinos have a tiered system just as 3Dice has and within those tiers there are different promotions depending on your VIP level. What is required to gain or maintain that level is supposed to be the same for everyone. Consider now what happens when other people make the same request and are denied.

Last year I built my VIP status up, hit a bad run, took a break, my VIP status dropped down.

This year I built my VIP status up, hit a bad run, intend to take a break for a bit (or at least slow down), so I asked upfront if there was something that could be done with regards to my VIP status, and 3Dice agreed to put it on hold for a bit.

I fully understand your reasons. I used to make my deposits regularly for the purpose of keeping a VIP status. I decided to skip one and play elsewhere because I was on a bad run. My VIP level dropped 2 days earlier than it was supposed to and not only could nobody tell me why but nobody offered to fix it. I planned to just play the VIP tournaments for the weekend and load my card after work on Monday because that's when my VIP was supposed to run out. Obviously that plan went out the window. And as I said, one time my VIP dropped 5 stars in one day. Every player I talked to said this isn't even possible. Well, it is if you drop it manually. lol Someone could have told me the rules have changed. Actually everyone should have been told the rules have changed. No casino should be allowed to secretly change any rules. And no casino should have different rules for different players. VIP tiers can have different promotions or perks but basic casino rules should apply to everyone.

Should I email 32Red and tell them that I want all the Club Rouge rules to apply to me just because I think it should be that way?

The same rules should apply to everyone just because it should be that way.

The most important rules of all ARE the same for everyone at 3Dice, everyone plays the same games with the same RTPs in the same way as everyone else, there is no 'advantage' and indeed no difference if you deposit fifty dollars per month or fifty thousands dollars per month.

Actually that's not true. High rollers are afforded a lot more leeway in the pubic chat room. I was kicked out for saying "bullshit." One of the high rollers had to ask to be banned because he couldn't stop himself from repeatedly coming in the chat room and cursing the casino out. I've watched him do it many times and be back the next day.

Everything beyond that is entirely at the casino's discretion. Indeed, ANY VIP system, by definition, treats different people in different ways, and pretty much every single damn casino out there runs on that sort of basis - so if 3Dice are guilty then so are 32Red, and Redbet, and Unibet, and Jackpot Party, and so on.

I have no idea if 32Red is giving people in the same VIP tier different perks. I'm pretty sure that everyone follows the same non-promotional rules.

I've already said that I think 3Dice's VIP system is flawed insofar as it basically puts players on a treadmill, and if they stop running then their VIP status gets negatively impacted - but I do like the casino, I do like the slots, I do like the way Enzo will come out here on CM and tell people how their games are designed and how they work, I think their CS is great, so I took it upon myself to ask if the aspect of the VIP system that I don't like could be given a tweak for a short period of time to accommodate me taking a break. (The same question that anyone else is entirely free to ask of them if they choose to do so.)

I have nothing against the VIP system at 3Dice. When you sign up at 3Dice that's the system you sign up for. When you sign up at any casino you have to assume you're signing up for the same thing that everyone else is.

This comes back to the basic point I've made before about 3Dice, they get unfairly maligned for doing exactly the same sort of things that every other casino out there does as a matter of routine, even though they're actually more transparent about why and how they operate - it kind of sucks.

3Dice gets more than their share of praise and complaints. When a player complains about a casino or disagrees with a casino's actions it doesn't mean they're being unfairly maligned. All online casinos should know that players are going to talk to other players. If a casino is going to favor some players over others they have to expect that to become public knowledge. In fact pretty much everything online casinos do these days eventually becomes public knowledge and not every player is going to agree with it.

 

[Balthazar]

The same rules should apply to everyone just because it should be that way.

No they shouldn't. Same "rules" dont apply to every customers in any business, it's just that usually you're not aware of it. Customers that bring more money to a business will get special treatment. It's true with restaurants, bars, B&M casinos... While would it have to be different online?

If Chopley brings new players to 3Dice by posting stories and reviews here and all he asked was to keep his VIP status while taking a short break, that's a pretty sweet deal for 3Dice. Have you done the same? No? Then why should it apply to you too?

I find it pretty immature to request that "everyone should be treated the same" when dealing with a business.

 

[skiny]

No they shouldn't. Same "rules" dont apply to every customers in any business, it's just that usually you're not aware of it. Customers that bring more money to a business will get special treatment. It's true with restaurants, bars, B&M casinos... While would it have to be different online?

And you don't seem to understand the difference between perks and rules. If you want to throw a few extra fries on someone's plate or give them free coffee refills because they're frequent customers that's perfectly alright. What you don't do is post "No shirt, no shoes, no service" and turn everyone away who doesn't abide by it except the half dozen guys who get to have their dinner wearing nothing but a speedo.

If Chopley brings new players to 3Dice by posting stories and reviews here and all he asked was to keep his VIP status while taking a short break, that's a pretty sweet deal for 3Dice. Have you done the same? No? Then why should it apply to you too?

Actually, I've given this casino my share of complimentary posts. I have also given them my share of criticisms. Which rules I follow shouldn't be dependent on how many of each I give. If people are rewarded for giving anyone praise the praise is meaningless.

I find it pretty immature to request that "everyone should be treated the same" when dealing with a business.

Everyone should be TREATED the same. Everyone should follow the same RULES. If you want to toss someone a few perks for being a good customer or achieving a higher VIP level WHILE FOLLOWING THE RULES that's fine but allowing certain people to break rules and expecting others to abide by them discrimination and favoritism.

 

[Nifty29]

No they shouldn't. Same "rules" dont apply to every customers in any business, it's just that usually you're not aware of it. Customers that bring more money to a business will get special treatment. It's true with restaurants, bars, B&M casinos... While would it have to be different online?

If Chopley brings new players to 3Dice by posting stories and reviews here and all he asked was to keep his VIP status while taking a short break, that's a pretty sweet deal for 3Dice. Have you done the same? No? Then why should it apply to you too?

I find it pretty immature to request that "everyone should be treated the same" when dealing with a business.

Remember Balthazar......there are people with their own agendas when it comes to 3Dice that will sink the boots in or "question" them at every turn, as a result of past perceived "insult" or "mistreatment" (imaginary is a better word), and who harp on and on about them at every opportunity....even though they "don't care" etc etc (oh and are happy to play their free tourneys).

If people want a better deal, they should ASK. Just be realistic....if you deposit $50 a month, don't expect a mega upgrade or other perks. I agree the VIP system has flaws, but if it bothers people that much they should stop playing. Simple. You will never make 100% of players 100% happy 100% of the time, and good managers like Enzo and co. know this well.

Instead of whining "why didn't I get that blah blah and soandso did blah blah"...do something about it...or accept the status quo.

 

[LHofsdal]

I don't think Chopley did anything wrong...Did anyone else ever ask to put their status on hold? What is wrong with him asking? 3dice could have just as well said no, all he did was ask. Nothing wrong with that!

3dice is not at fault for letting his status stay where it is. He asked, and they said yes. What in the hell is the big deal. Did anyone else think to ask? I know I didn't think to ask, and I probably won't. That is just me.

As for other members thinking Chopley got "special treatment" c'mon now, all this man did was ask a question. A question I am sure not alot of other players thought of asking or have asked before. If a player is that unhappy with 3dice, don't play there. It is just that simple. But coming here, and trying to make it seem like others get treated better than others.... I just can't believe it. Sure I get frustrated when I am on a losing streak, it is okay. But I don't take it out on other members here,(my hubby is not a member here lol) and I don't write posts on how I think 3dice has favorites. I don't care if you spend 10 dollars or a grand every month, if your upset about your status going down, then ask the questions about how to keep it from going down.

I was once at the top level, and was a little upset when I watched it go down because of deposit options leaving left and right. I just said to hell with it, nothing I was going to do was going to make me deposit when it was costing an arm and a leg to do so. I don't hold it against 3dice or anyone else.

Now ask yourself this, if you would have asked 3dice to hold your status while you took a break, would you be all over Chopley? I don't think so. Don't be so quick to jump on the man because he asked a question that from what I can tell, not many others have asked.

LH

 

[nisosbar]

3Dice has every right to judge each customer on his/her merits, and cater to them accordingly.

I'll bet every customer has been accommodated uniquely in some way, at some point or other.

People have a right to complain about it not being fair, but as far as I'm concerned, I can't agree with that argument.

 

[blonde]

Well this certainly caught my eye. As many of you know I am one of 3dice biggest supporters but as of lately I am aggravated as hell. I deposit regularly, more than probably 80% of the players, and this is a first to me that you can ask to have your VIP level froze for a moment or two. I guess I could get mad, but I mean why? Like someone already stated, each player has been comped or catered to some time or another.

On the other hand playtime sucks, plain and simple and if things don't change for the better I think it's time for me to move on. Being here for 3 years and the last year being the worse, it puts things in perspective and makes ya ask yourself if it's worth staying.

Now back to the topic of this thread lol, Arctic. I do like the game, it is harder than heck to win on it but if you play at the "perfect time" then it pays out pretty good. I think I have kissed her 3 times total in real play mode, nothing to big but was exciting, and of course this was right after it was released.

 

[just play]

I don't think Chopley did anything wrong...Did anyone else ever ask to put their status on hold? What is wrong with him asking? 3dice could have just as well said no, all he did was ask. Nothing wrong with that!

3dice is not at fault for letting his status stay where it is. He asked, and they said yes. What in the hell is the big deal. Did anyone else think to ask? I know I didn't think to ask, and I probably won't. That is just me.

As for other members thinking Chopley got "special treatment" c'mon now, all this man did was ask a question. A question I am sure not alot of other players thought of asking or have asked before. If a player is that unhappy with 3dice, don't play there. It is just that simple. But coming here, and trying to make it seem like others get treated better than others.... I just can't believe it. Sure I get frustrated when I am on a losing streak, it is okay. But I don't take it out on other members here,(my hubby is not a member here lol) and I don't write posts on how I think 3dice has favorites. I don't care if you spend 10 dollars or a grand every month, if your upset about your status going down, then ask the questions about how to keep it from going down.

I was once at the top level, and was a little upset when I watched it go down because of deposit options leaving left and right. I just said to hell with it, nothing I was going to do was going to make me deposit when it was costing an arm and a leg to do so. I don't hold it against 3dice or anyone else.

Now ask yourself this, if you would have asked 3dice to hold your status while you took a break, would you be all over Chopley? I don't think so. Don't be so quick to jump on the man because he asked a question that from what I can tell, not many others have asked.

LH

LH, don't take my post the wrong way, I don't think Chopsy Chops did anything wrong either, and from Chops reply to me he didn't think I was (to use your words) "all over him". I agree with all of your post except the second bolded part. Casinos can do as they please...but if any members here think 3Dice don't play favorites or give certain players better treatment, they are living in a fantasy world.

edit..I have no idea why the lightbulb is there, lol.

 

[skiny]

Remember Balthazar......there are people with their own agendas

Gossip about anyone behind their backs lately?

I don't think Chopley did anything wrong...Did anyone else ever ask to put their status on hold? What is wrong with him asking? 3dice could have just as well said no, all he did was ask. Nothing wrong with that!

I didn't day Chopley did anything wrong. Players can ask for whatever they like.

I'll bet every customer has been accommodated uniquely in some way, at some point or other.

I certainly can't argue with you there.

LH, don't take my post the wrong way, I don't think Chopsy Chops did anything wrong either, and from Chops reply to me he didn't think I was (to use your words) "all over him". I agree with all of your post except the second bolded part. Casinos can do as they please...but if any members here think 3Dice don't play favorites or give certain players better treatment, they are living in a fantasy world.

Casinos can give players all the perks in the world. They can comp them every day of the week. They can give them special VIP bonuses. They can send them gifts. They can even show up and take them out to dinner if they like but what they can't do is break their own rules. Casinos make damn sure we follow every rule. It seems to me that people who think casinos should be allowed to pick and chose which rules they feel like following don't really have the player's best interests at heart.

 

[cpdnd31]

OK just to chime in here: I have also used a hold status before. I went on vacation for a month and said can you lock my acct until I get back ( just for safety issues- like someone using and me not knowing). I asked about my VIP status because I believe I was gold level and said dam I'm gonna have to start all over and they said no if your locking acct you can have vip locked as well. I thought it was dam nice of them.

Now as far as 3 Dice and having favorites, I can't speak for them. However when I worked at land based VIP room, here is how it worked.

All players were based off the the same rules meaning- they had to hit certain criteria before we could do something for them. (Comps).

The Higher up on VIP status they were the more we could do.
Did we have favorites yes did we have asses yes. Sometimes if there was a player that hardly took comps and a regular player we would try and do the most we could when he did ask. However they still needed to meet the basic criteria or we could do nothing for them.

I think people feel there are favorites at 3 Dice because they see everything in chat room and read all the gossip but honestly you never know who is spending what and who is getting what.

This isn't me running to rescue 3 Dice either-- just trying to give a picture of how comps worked when I worked in the industry. Hope it helps.

 

[skiny]

OK just to chime in here: I have also used a hold status before. I went on vacation for a month and said can you lock my acct until I get back ( just for safety issues- like someone using and me not knowing). I asked about my VIP status because I believe I was gold level and said dam I'm gonna have to start all over and they said no if your locking acct you can have vip locked as well. I thought it was dam nice of them.

Now as far as 3 Dice and having favorites, I can't speak for them. However when I worked at land based VIP room, here is how it worked.

All players were based off the the same rules meaning- they had to hit certain criteria before we could do something for them. (Comps).

The Higher up on VIP status they were the more we could do.
Did we have favorites yes did we have asses yes. Sometimes if there was a player that hardly took comps and a regular player we would try and do the most we could when he did ask. However they still needed to meet the basic criteria or we could do nothing for them.

I think people feel there are favorites at 3 Dice because they see everything in chat room and read all the gossip but honestly you never know who is spending what and who is getting what.

This isn't me running to rescue 3 Dice either-- just trying to give a picture of how comps worked when I worked in the industry. Hope it helps.

Comps and perks should be entirely up to the casino's discretion. I agree 100%.

Rules are an entirely different story.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Thanks to all have commented, it's interesting to hear different points of view although I must say I wasn't expecting such a simple thing to be so contentious

One extra point I should make about my membership at 3Dice is that I basically ignore the tournies, off the top of my head I'd say I've entered about five tournies in some 15 months of membership (I didn't win anything on any of them).

Also, whilst I was generously comped last month, all of that went back on the slots, I didn't make a withdrawal all month in nearly £2000 worth of deposits. (That's the cost of winning Slotsmeister whilst simultaneously trying to nail a dangerous high variance beast like Arctic Adventure.)

As such, my request to have my VIP status held for a while has to be seen in the context of a player who's had a really crap run, doesn't take anything out of the VIP system in tournies, and only avails himself of the bonus offers that come around every ten days. It's not like it's worth a massive amount of cash, it'll just get me slightly better bonus offers for a month or so as I get held at Silver ****, rather than drop down to Silver *** and then Silver ** as the month goes on.

TBH it just seemed like a logical question to ask, especially given what happened to my VIP status last year when I took a break.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Rules are an entirely different story.

I'm still at a loss to understand what 'rules' have been broken.

 

[cpdnd31]

I don't think any rules were broken.. I think people didn't realize this was an option. Holding VIP status when you are on a break. However as I pointed out earlier you are not the only one that they have done that for because I have used it as well. Honestly I think it was really cool of them to have this option. You invest a lot of cash to get to your VIP status and why lose it because of a bad run and or vacation or whatever the reason may be.

To me this is just 3 Dice leading the way in another great customer service standard.

 

[skiny]

I'm still at a loss to understand what 'rules' have been broken.

Any term, system or condition that is clearly written and agreed upon by the player and the casino is a rule. Casinos are generally pretty strict about players abiding by these rules and most players don't think to go and ask if they can break them.

Maybe this is a lesson. Maybe more players should.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Any term, system or condition that is clearly written and agreed upon by the player and the casino is a rule. Casinos are generally pretty strict about players abiding by these rules and most players don't think to go and ask if they can break them.

Maybe this is a lesson. Maybe more players should.

Which written-down rule has been broken?

There's nothing I can find anywhere in the 3Dice client or on their website that says anything other than the VIP system is a discretionary casino perk and they retain the right to operate it as they see fit.

 

[Andy Walker]

Which written-down rule has been broken?

There's nothing I can find anywhere in the 3Dice client or on their website that says anything other than the VIP system is a discretionary casino perk and they retain the right to operate it as they see fit.

As far as I know rules are put in place to protect a business and although some have to reflect given laws in trading others are just that, they can vary and change at any given time. It seems like some here are confusing rules with statuary laws that are passed by government bodies and not businesses, sure rules may come to light that may invoke necessary law changes but what the heck.

I think Chopley’s request was perfectly sound, say for instance I needed to take a break for a time because of a family member health issue or whatever event that occurred that prevented my normal rate of play (given I had a good history of providing the business with valuable profits on their part).

Would you really expect a business to say no get lost we aren’t going to keep your status, or use good business sense and say okay come back soon, we’ll hold on to your status given you are a good customer. Surely a good business sees a short break as just a slight blip on possible future returns and would want to return and retain a steady rate of income.

I think suggesting precedents have been set with this really minor issue smacks of I didn’t think of asking a reasonable request, and getting a positive result. I won’t bother trawling through the terms and conditions of the site as I know there will be clauses set in place that use the word discretion.

I don’t think giving a possible advantage to a player could be argued as a disadvantage to another player as the player that later found out they could have used this tactic should have done some research. The later has neither lost or gained anything, how can you argue against that?

Good luck mate on your next mission, I hope you kiss the queen, snog the queen, take her up the aisle and relieve her of her jewels and come away with a stinking great grin on your face, best of luck.

 

[skiny]

Which written-down rule has been broken?

There's nothing I can find anywhere in the 3Dice client or on their website that says anything other than the VIP system is a discretionary casino perk and they retain the right to operate it as they see fit.

VIP LEVELS & BONUSES

All play generated from realmoney deposits at 3Dice contributes to your 3Dice VIP level. On the 1st, 11th and 21th of the month, your totalstake for the preceeding period is tallied. When your play level changes, you will earn or loose a star, and your current VIP level will be adjusted accordingly.

You'll notice it says "a star" not "5 stars." lol

As far as I know rules are put in place to protect a business and although some have to reflect given laws in trading others are just that, they can vary and change at any given time. It seems like some here are confusing rules with statuary laws that are passed by government bodies and not businesses, sure rules may come to light that may invoke necessary law changes but what the heck.

Casinos and players have rules they have agreed to follow. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that these rules have to be governmentally passed laws. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

I think Chopley’s request was perfectly sound, say for instance I needed to take a break for a time because of a family member health issue or whatever event that occurred that prevented my normal rate of play (given I had a good history of providing the business with valuable profits on their part).

Would you really expect a business to say no get lost we aren’t going to keep your status, or use good business sense and say okay come back soon, we’ll hold on to your status given you are a good customer. Surely a good business sees a short break as just a slight blip on possible future returns and would want to return and retain a steady rate of income.

I never once said there was anything wrong with Chopley's request. I said the same rules should apply to everyone. I'm not sure why so many people find this a foreign concept. The problem is when you bend or break the rules for one person it will be expected that these rules be bent or broken for anyone else who asks. This wasn't a case of a sick family member. This was a simple case of "I want to stop depositing here for a while because I don't like my game play." People make that decision all the time and lose their VIP status and perks as a result of it. Now they know there's another option.

I think suggesting precedents have been set with this really minor issue smacks of I didn’t think of asking a reasonable request, and getting a positive result. I won’t bother trawling through the terms and conditions of the site as I know there will be clauses set in place that use the word discretion.

You know what's in the terms and conditions without looking at them? Do you know how many people make this assumption just before they break one of the rules by accident.

I don’t think giving a possible advantage to a player could be argued as a disadvantage to another player as the player that later found out they could have used this tactic should have done some research. The later has neither lost or gained anything, how can you argue against that?

All I keep saying is the same rules have to apply to everyone. How can you argue against that?

 

[Andy Walker]

VIP LEVELS & BONUSES

All play generated from realmoney deposits at 3Dice contributes to your 3Dice VIP level. On the 1st, 11th and 21th of the month, your totalstake for the preceeding period is tallied. When your play level changes, you will earn or loose a star, and your current VIP level will be adjusted accordingly.

You'll notice it says "a star" not "5 stars." lol



Casinos and players have rules they have agreed to follow. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that these rules have to be governmentally passed laws. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.



I never once said there was anything wrong with Chopley's request. I said the same rules should apply to everyone. I'm not sure why so many people find this a foreign concept. The problem is when you bend or break the rules for one person it will be expected that these rules be bent or broken for anyone else who asks. This wasn't a case of a sick family member. This was a simple case of "I want to stop depositing here for a while because I don't like my game play." People make that decision all the time and lose their VIP status and perks as a result of it. Now they know there's another option.




You know what's in the terms and conditions without looking at them? Do you know how many people make this assumption just before they break one of the rules by accident.



All I keep saying is the same rules have to apply to everyone. How can you argue against that?

I don’t really have to pick, pull and try to twist responses, multi quote and disassemble the mechanics of posts that have merit and a pinch of salt. Believe me my post was not one that targeted anyone in general but simply an overview of my thoughts on a real life subject that is both tangible or dare I say it real.

One would be naive to actually think that there is a 100% set on stone rule for anything be it from a business point of view or one of statuary requirement.

There was only a non-monetary business advantage to the agreement which as far as I know does not break any bribery laws in the EU and in this particular case where the originator resides. Maybe rules differ in locations outside of the EU, perhaps they even differ between the USA and Canada where online gambling is a doddle. Sorry to sound a little sarcastic there.

Company rules are just that and can be changed at any time they see fit and unless a governing body is approached to legislate against unfair terms then the rules apply, comply and maybe deify according to a given situation.

If I ever said fair then I was wrong, it is the way. I lost out on a coupon code the other day that was exclusive to another country; could I really, really argue this as a human rights issue?

 

[Nifty29]

Which written-down rule has been broken?

There's nothing I can find anywhere in the 3Dice client or on their website that says anything other than the VIP system is a discretionary casino perk and they retain the right to operate it as they see fit.

Don't waste your time Chops.

It's not about the actual issues...this can be seen by the ridiculous arguments being put forward. It is a personal vendetta/agenda which should be obvious to anyone reading any thread at CM regarding 3Dice. It doesn't matter how much sense you make or how right you are or how logical you are, you will always get an even more way-off argument just to keep it all going in the hope that some mud might stick to 3Dice along the way.

I feel strongly that most reasonable members can see it for what it is.

Anyone that thinks 3Dice making exceptions/allowances to their loyalty program for LOYAL (i.e. frequent depositors i.e. NOT those who slag them off constantly whilst still playing their FREE tourneys ) players is a breach of the terms and conditions is living in DREAMLAND. It's so ridiculous it is off the scale, and smacks of desperate point-scoring.

I can just see what the reaction would have been if the post was complaining that they would NOT hold the loyalty level....the argument would have been "they won't even do the right thing by loyal players. How about bending the rules sometimes when it is needed? 3dice are blah blah blah"...so with certain people, it doesn't matter what happens, they can't win.

 

[mclee321]

There are no such thing as Rules in a Casino as we understand the word. Regulations yes, that have to be complied with, or the licensing jurisdiction may punish the licensee (or not in the case of Gibraltar ).

Casino rules are changed endlessly, or bent, or compromised. Anything written as a casino rule can be bypassed at the discretion of qualifying staff. This happens at all Online and Landbased establishments, this is part of the game.

I understand and appreciate we should all be playing by the same rulebook, but it will never happen in the world of gambling (or most other human endeavors).

 

[Sovietsky]

So Chopley what slot will you grind when you get back?
How about 1000x stake on enchanted spins?

 

[Andy Walker]

There are no such thing as Rules in a Casino as we understand the word. Regulations yes, that have to be complied with, or the licensing jurisdiction may punish the licensee (or not in the case of Gibraltar ).

Casino rules are changed endlessly, or bent, or compromised. Anything written as a casino rule can be bypassed at the discretion of qualifying staff. This happens at all Online and Landbased establishments, this is part of the game.

I understand and appreciate we should all be playing by the same rulebook, but it will never happen in the world of gambling (or most other human endeavors).

One word "Exactly"

 

[skiny]

Don't waste your time Chops.

Like you're wasting yours now?

It's not about the actual issues...this can be seen by the ridiculous arguments being put forward. It is a personal vendetta/agenda which should be obvious to anyone reading any thread at CM regarding 3Dice. It doesn't matter how much sense you make or how right you are or how logical you are, you will always get an even more way-off argument just to keep it all going in the hope that some mud might stick to 3Dice along the way.

I post my opinions which agree and disagree with other members about a wide range of topics and every time I disagree with a 3Dice decision you come back with the same old tired accusation. I'm not sure this time if you're just playing casino saviour again or if you're still pissy about being called out as a gossip monger. The way I see it, if you disagree with my opinion you're more than welcome to discuss why but I don't really think that regurgitating the same delusional idea that every time I disagree with this casino it's the direct result of some personal vendetta is really being a productive part of the conversation.

I feel strongly that most reasonable members can see it for what it is.

Which is quite possibly the reason you can't.

 

[cpdnd31]

OK not to start a war - but the (Perk) of freezing VIP level has been offered to other customers. I know this because it was offered to me and I used it. Now maybe it a PERK that is only allowable when you hit a certain VIP status. This way 3 Dice can protect themselves from people depositing their monthly 50 to play tournaments.

Just like anywhere the higher the VIP level the more PERKS you may receive.

After reading this thread it feels like to me : A. People are thinking this is done just because its Chopley and he has many threads and video's here. Well my response to that is do you really think that 3 Dice thinks that far ahead like OMG we better do what he want or he will post something? I don't think so.

I mean that's like saying KK, Weatherman, and other main posters here will get special perks just because they may play there. Hell Pick me I want to win a grand or I'm gonna post something naughty. Do you see how that sounds? It doesn't make sense. I don't think it's 3 Dice style as well.

If the main point is this perk wasn't offered to everyone well point has been proven wrong.

 

[dunover]

Crikey I wish I'd never made that light-hearted jibe to Chopley now! He's been rewarded because of his last month's play, days and days of it and good custom at the place. I doubt he's the only one. Personally I have no axe to grind as I don't have an account and don't play at 3dice. Videos have nothing to do with it as he closed that YouTube channel down months before this Ice B!tch slot marathon. The commentaries and reports of the behaviour of said Ice B!tch have been quite entertaining IMO. That's why I add to the thread when Chopley and Balth post 'live' photos when they've just hit the 100x10 and are about to commence on the bonus round.

Sorry if I've encouraged any sourness in the thread, I was only pulling old Choppers' leg!

 

[Nifty29]

Crikey I wish I'd never made that light-hearted jibe to Chopley now! He's been rewarded because of his last month's play, days and days of it and good custom at the place. I doubt he's the only one. Personally I have no axe to grind as I don't have an account and don't play at 3dice. Videos have nothing to do with it as he closed that YouTube channel down months before this Ice B!tch slot marathon. The commentaries and reports of the behaviour of said Ice B!tch have been quite entertaining IMO. That's why I add to the thread when Chopley and Balth post 'live' photos when they've just hit the 100x10 and are about to commence on the bonus round.

Sorry if I've encouraged any sourness in the thread, I was only pulling old Choppers' leg!

No need to apologize me ol' mucker.

The people that make a big deal of this petty issue are generally either those who have an axe to grind, or tend to complain about anything and everything. Take no notice.

The overwhelming majority just see it for what it is....an extra perk given to a loyal player.

Honestly....some people just need to get a grip and accept that different customers get treated differently....anyone who can't grasp that must have been living under a rock their entire lives, as this is commercial reality.

 

[skiny]

OK not to start a war - but the (Perk) of freezing VIP level has been offered to other customers. I know this because it was offered to me and I used it. Now maybe it a PERK that is only allowable when you hit a certain VIP status. This way 3 Dice can protect themselves from people depositing their monthly 50 to play tournaments.

Just like anywhere the higher the VIP level the more PERKS you may receive.

After reading this thread it feels like to me : A. People are thinking this is done just because its Chopley and he has many threads and video's here. Well my response to that is do you really think that 3 Dice thinks that far ahead like OMG we better do what he want or he will post something? I don't think so.

I mean that's like saying KK, Weatherman, and other main posters here will get special perks just because they may play there. Hell Pick me I want to win a grand or I'm gonna post something naughty. Do you see how that sounds? It doesn't make sense. I don't think it's 3 Dice style as well.

If the main point is this perk wasn't offered to everyone well point has been proven wrong.

I don't recall anyone saying Chopley was the only person who ever received this offer.

I don't recall anyone saying this offer had anything to do with Chopley's posts here or videos on YouTube. (Jokes aside.)

I don't recall anyone saying what you win at any casino has any relation to what you post here. (Jokes aside.)

This wasn't offered to everyone so obviously the point hasn't been proven wrong.

Crikey I wish I'd never made that light-hearted jibe to Chopley now! He's been rewarded because of his last month's play, days and days of it and good custom at the place. I doubt he's the only one. Personally I have no axe to grind as I don't have an account and don't play at 3dice. Videos have nothing to do with it as he closed that YouTube channel down months before this Ice B!tch slot marathon. The commentaries and reports of the behaviour of said Ice B!tch have been quite entertaining IMO. That's why I add to the thread when Chopley and Balth post 'live' photos when they've just hit the 100x10 and are about to commence on the bonus round.

Sorry if I've encouraged any sourness in the thread, I was only pulling old Choppers' leg!

I'm not sure who is sour in this thread. I have an opinion that might be different from others. Some people seem to think that if your opinion is different from the majority it shouldn't be shared. "Some" people even seem to think if your opinion isn't the same as theirs it shouldn't be shared. I welcome everyone's opinion whether I agree with them or not and as far as I know this forum's policy isn't to only welcome the opinions that certain members agree with. I can debate an issue all day long and not be sour about it.

No need to apologize me ol' mucker.

The people that make a big deal of this petty issue are generally either those who have an axe to grind, or tend to complain about anything and everything. Take no notice.

The overwhelming majority just see it for what it is....an extra perk given to a loyal player.

Honestly....some people just need to get a grip and accept that different customers get treated differently....anyone who can't grasp that must have been living under a rock their entire lives, as this is commercial reality.

And I can do it without making childish accusations. I can have a casino policy discussion without the need for personal attacks and insults. Now if that's the route that some people really want to take I don't mind. I'm more than capable of tossing out my own share of sarcastic insults. In fact sometimes I can be quite good at it. Normally I don't really have enough ambition to participate in silly forum feuds but there are circumstances when I could make an exception.

 

[cpdnd31]

OK point taken - however I came in on end of conversation and I read it more like "hey why is this guy getting this" type statement. I'm not saying it was you, I'm just saying to me that's how it read.

Now I don't know how or who they offer this Perk too, I just know it was offered to me that being said I have been either 4 star silver or above for over 2 years now - I believe =. I can check for you if you like. So I assumed and maybe I was wrong too that since it was offered to me as a regular depositor maybe it was offered to all at same level or status. For that I apologize, I should not have assumed. So I guess we are back at square one, and I'm jumping out of this battle. I rather make love and not war!!! Now I'm going to go see if I can find some Cadberry Eggs to eat.

 

[dunover]

I'm not sure who is sour in this thread. I have an opinion that might be different from others. Some people seem to think that if your opinion is different from the majority it shouldn't be shared. "Some" people even seem to think if your opinion isn't the same as theirs it shouldn't be shared. I welcome everyone's opinion whether I agree with them or not and as far as I know this forum's policy isn't to only welcome the opinions that certain members agree with. I can debate an issue all day long and not be sour about it.

I say that because my throwaway one-liner, a friendly dig in the ribs to Chopley, seems to have been the catalyst for a somewhat tetchy series of posts which has drawn in a few 'heavyweights' on here. A bit of fence sitting here but I can see, having no interest in 3dice, both points of view. It all comes down to that which is NOT always staid and in black-and-white: 'discretion'.

Can we now get back to some interesting screenies of the actual topic, 'Arctic Treasure'? With a Cadbury's Crème Egg-o-matic on top.

 

[Jasminebed]

Sometimes you need to ask if you'd like something. Two years ago when I went to Europe, I asked if my loyalty could be put on hold as I wouldn't be playing for a couple of weeks. I didn't drop.

I think many things are at a businesses discretion, and operational policies are not laws but guidelines most places.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

After the appalling kicking I took at Jackpot Party last night, it's 3Dice to the rescue on the second of the month's-start bonus offers. (This is a modest 50% up to £40 on a 5xD(up to B)+B WR, which is a £120 bankroll with £400 to wager.)

This is off a three scatters trigger, the top paying symbol with a wild, on a 7x multiplier. This spin is 1400x stake (£280).

I have to say it was a bit of a heart-stopper waiting to see if it was going to make the 5OAK or not......

Round finished at 1531x stake. (20p spin.)

 

[homerbert]

After the appalling kicking I took at Jackpot Party last night, it's 3Dice to the rescue on the second of the month's-start bonus offers. (This is a modest 50% up to £40 on a 5xD(up to B)+B WR, which is a £120 bankroll with £400 to wager.)

This is off a three scatters trigger, the top paying symbol with a wild, on a 7x multiplier. This spin is 1400x stake (£280).

I have to say it was a bit of a heart-stopper waiting to see if it was going to make the 5OAK or not......

Round finished at 1531x stake. (20p spin.)

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congrats mate, you really deserve such hit!

 

[Balthazar]

Finally. Congrats Chop!