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[Nifty29]

OK, OK, time for a foil hat moment.
On DoA has anyone noticed a rough pattern to how it plays between bonus rounds?

You regularly get 4 or 5 consecutive spins that pay a win, then 6-8 which don't. Not unbelievable in itself, but you can usually tell that if you have gone 6-8 spins with no win, and get one, the next spin will produce a win too.

Another thing, play it fast using the stop button as soon as you hit start - the reels seem to drop 3 rows each time, together. They do this a few times, and then 'rearrange' often before 2,3 or more scatters drop.

When you play like this, and see the scatters clump past but not land in the screen, you almost always hit them in the next few spins. Gimped reels?

Come on dunover....don't lose it now mate. You're soooo close to having that hat rescinded!

Using the STOP button does not affect the spin outcome in any way. If it did, it would be skill-based. It is not skill-based.

If you have historical data over a reasonable timeframe of a pattern of "4 to 5 wins" followed by "6 to 8 losses", then I would be eager to see it. Reason being.....if it doesn't happen EVERY time, it is not a "pattern". If there WERE recognizable patterns in random slots, the crooks and APs would be all over them like Sunday morning crotch rot. It just SEEMS that this is how it goes. Trust me....if you actually sit down over a week or two and record dozens of sessions you will see there is NO pattern i.e. it is random.

Gimped reels? No. Eye candy? Yes. What happens in one spin has no effect on the next nor the previous i.e. it is random.

Is it like 4am and you're on the turps over there dunover? I have gotten used to you being logical and sensible for a long time now....and then you go and post this nonsense??? Shame shame shame.....

 

[Balthazar]

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[bvu2011]

Since this is an active 3Dice thread...

Did I just find some kind of Easter egg hidden in a bonus round or this thing was always there?

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That has been there for the last two years I have played at 3Dice.

 

[weesie]

When this slot went live, the very first day, I had a few good hits and thought it was great.

Since then, it has done nothing but take, take, take.

So, today, I thought maybe I had not given it enough spins. I usually give it 10-15 spins, if it doesn't give me SOMETHING, ANYTHING, I move on.

I am not talking hundreds like you guys talk. I mean more than a few bucks at the minimum bet. Every time I played I just watched my balance drop. Every time!

Anyway, today, I decided to stick it out through $15.00 @ 20c ea. . I know that is only 75 spins, but, come on! I didn't even get one whole row of anything. Not even the lowest paying symbol. And MAYBE the Ice Queen, (I have a better name for her) 2 of her a couple of times.

So, like part of the title of this thread............ I will "stay a cool" distance from this slot!

 

[dunover]

Come on dunover....don't lose it now mate. You're soooo close to having that hat rescinded!

Using the STOP button does not affect the spin outcome in any way. If it did, it would be skill-based. It is not skill-based.

If you have historical data over a reasonable timeframe of a pattern of "4 to 5 wins" followed by "6 to 8 losses", then I would be eager to see it. Reason being.....if it doesn't happen EVERY time, it is not a "pattern". If there WERE recognizable patterns in random slots, the crooks and APs would be all over them like Sunday morning crotch rot. It just SEEMS that this is how it goes. Trust me....if you actually sit down over a week or two and record dozens of sessions you will see there is NO pattern i.e. it is random.

Gimped reels? No. Eye candy? Yes. What happens in one spin has no effect on the next nor the previous i.e. it is random.

Is it like 4am and you're on the turps over there dunover? I have gotten used to you being logical and sensible for a long time now....and then you go and post this nonsense??? Shame shame shame.....

OK, I am saying if you bang stop and start continuously the reel graphics do seem a little odd - try it yourself. I'm not suggesting it affects gameplay, RTP or spin result. No foil hat if I rephrase that.

And the 'clumping' of wins is normal too, you see it on many slots, not just this.

OK, I'm putting it back on the hatstand now, it's off.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Back to Arctic Adventure.....

I have voluntarily returned to the scene of previous carnage and its mood hasn't improved.

A few observations about this slot:

1) It can and will go hundreds of spins without hitting a modest 20x stop trigger or a feature, be prepared for this. I've had it manage 600+ spins on several occasions without finding reason to stop, this is a very harsh profile.

2) We've had confirmation from Enzo that the free spins rounds are comprised of uncontrolled random spins using the same reels as the base game, what this means is that big numbers of free spins with big multipliers can pay very low amounts, and despite my earlier reservations, having four scatters triggers paying around 10x stake on more than occasion has borne this out. (I thought there was a degree of control to guarantee four scatters paid at least something reasonable, but that isn't the case, I'd just had an unusually good run on them up to that point.)

3) 2000+ spins without hitting a single top-tier 5OAK in either the base game or free spins is entirely possible (I know 'cause I've just done it), the lower tier 5OAKs do come in with some regularity, often with a wild, to pay 20x stake. The top-tier symbols, which start at 50x stake without a wild, are rare occurrences. (And given the vastly reduced 'target window' for 5OAKs in free spins, you can imagine how very rare they are.)

4) Basically this is a 5OAK slot, that's it. 5OAKs in the base game are nice, and can maintain or boost a bankroll, but they're capped at 200x stake for the top-tier symbols, or 250x for five wilds (I've never seen them) - the only way you're going to hit big on this slot is a 5OAK with a big multiplier in free spins, that is absolutely your lot.

5) Despite all of the above, or perhaps because of the above, for some reason I do like this slot - knowing that any bonus round at all on a decent multiplier can lob in a massive win at any time is a big draw, and despite my earlier statement that I'd limit my play on this slot to a couple of hundred spins at a time, I've got stuck in with it again this evening (it's kicked my arse).

6) Huge pay potential - the Zeitgeist gives a clear indication of what it's capable of (current top win is 4366x stake), but it's got more than that in it given those uncontrolled random free spins. The 100 free spins at 10x bonus round is the obvious candidate for going absolutely nuts.

Overall this slot is definitely an acquired taste, Enzo's stated design philosophy is 'mud or glory' and by crikey this slot is a good example of it - but it's got its hooks into me, for better or for worse. (Probably worse.......)

 

[dunover]

Back to Arctic Adventure.....

I have voluntarily returned to the scene of previous carnage and its mood hasn't improved.

A few observations about this slot:

1) It can and will go hundreds of spins without hitting a modest 20x stop trigger or a feature, be prepared for this. I've had it manage 600+ spins on several occasions without finding reason to stop, this is a very harsh profile.

2) We've had confirmation from Enzo that the free spins rounds are comprised of uncontrolled random spins using the same reels as the base game, what this means is that big numbers of free spins with big multipliers can pay very low amounts, and despite my earlier reservations, having four scatters triggers paying around 10x stake on more than occasion has borne this out. (I thought there was a degree of control to guarantee four scatters paid at least something reasonable, but that isn't the case, I'd just had an unusually good run on them up to that point.)

3) 2000+ spins without hitting a single top-tier 5OAK in either the base game or free spins is entirely possible (I know 'cause I've just done it), the lower tier 5OAKs do come in with some regularity, often with a wild, to pay 20x stake. The top-tier symbols, which start at 50x stake without a wild, are rare occurrences. (And given the vastly reduced 'target window' for 5OAKs in free spins, you can imagine how very rare they are.)

4) Basically this is a 5OAK slot, that's it. 5OAKs in the base game are nice, and can maintain or boost a bankroll, but they're capped at 200x stake for the top-tier symbols, or 250x for five wilds (I've never seen them) - the only way you're going to hit big on this slot is a 5OAK with a big multiplier in free spins, that is absolutely your lot.

5) Despite all of the above, or perhaps because of the above, for some reason I do like this slot - knowing that any bonus round at all on a decent multiplier can lob in a massive win at any time is a big draw, and despite my earlier statement that I'd limit my play on this slot to a couple of hundred spins at a time, I've got stuck in with it again this evening (it's kicked my arse).

6) Huge pay potential - the Zeitgeist gives a clear indication of what it's capable of (current top win is 4366x stake), but it's got more than that in it given those uncontrolled random free spins. The 100 free spins at 10x bonus round is the obvious candidate for going absolutely nuts.

Overall this slot is definitely an acquired taste, Enzo's stated design philosophy is 'mud or glory' and by crikey this slot is a good example of it - but it's got its hooks into me, for better or for worse. (Probably worse.......)

More self-flagellation - you must be a masochist. I'd have been in a state of dribbling torpor by now.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

In all fairness I did get some solid playtime out of my last session on Arctic, but at no point did I hit anything big, in fact I actually went about 3500 spins without hitting a single top-tier 5OAK in either normal or free spins (!). Considering that this slot is BIG 5OAK OR BUST, well, you can work out the rest.

I did come ONE FUCKING STOP AWAY from hitting the best (non-wild) 5OAK on a 6x multiplier with a wild in there, which would have been 1200x stake right on the nose, but alas it was not to be.

Bonkers bastard slot, it really is. (I'm playing it again today, LOLZ.)

I'll let it kick my arse up and down the road again today, and then get my stats on it again, methinks they won't be good. At the last count I was at 84.61% RTP over 26835 spins (that's this month, lifetime stats will be more spins). I do not think these numbers will be looking better now.

 

[dunover]

In all fairness I did get some solid playtime out of my last session on Arctic, but at no point did I hit anything big, in fact I actually went about 3500 spins without hitting a single top-tier 5OAK in either normal or free spins (!). Considering that this slot is BIG 5OAK OR BUST, well, you can work out the rest.

I did come ONE FUCKING STOP AWAY from hitting the best (non-wild) 5OAK on a 6x multiplier with a wild in there, which would have been 1200x stake right on the nose, but alas it was not to be.

Bonkers bastard slot, it really is. (I'm playing it again today, LOLZ.)

I'll let it kick my arse up and down the road again today, and then get my stats on it again, methinks they won't be good. At the last count I was at 84.61% RTP over 26835 spins (that's this month, lifetime stats will be more spins). I do not think these numbers will be looking better now.

Crikey, 84%, that's dangerously near pub AWP paybacks, and you know what they can do lol.....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Crikey, 84%, that's dangerously near pub AWP paybacks, and you know what they can do lol.....

At least AWPs are compensated and you know they will pay their percentage back eventually and indeed actively seek it out, no such mechanism exists with a random slot.....

I'm so far behind the curve on Arctic now I suspect I'm into the realms of hundreds of thousands of spins before T-RTP will bring it back on target.

Make no mistake, I'm gonna see this month out, win 3Dice's Slotsmeister, and then I'm on a gambling hiatus for a while.....

 

[dunover]

At least AWPs are compensated and you know they will pay their percentage back eventually and indeed actively seek it out, no such mechanism exists with a random slot.....

I'm so far behind the curve on Arctic now I suspect I'm into the realms of hundreds of thousands of spins before T-RTP will bring it back on target.

Make no mistake, I'm gonna see this month out, win 3Dice's Slotsmeister, and then I'm on a gambling hiatus for a while.....

Happy trails ol' chap........

 

[Balthazar]

Just kissed the queen for the first time (3 scatters). I'm about to start the bonus round. Wish me luck!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

One decent 5OAK is all it will take....

Post the results back post haste!

 

[dunover]

One decent 5OAK is all it will take....

Post the results back post haste!

Can't wait, I predict 650x stake...........


Come on! The suspense is killing me. Surely 90 dead spins plus 10 small wins doesn't take all day???

 

[Balthazar]

311x or $61 for $200 worth of spins (30.5% RTP)

 

[lotusch]

Tatatataaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa and the final result is ......................

EDIT: You have just beat me there Balt .... ^^

 

[dunover]

311x or $61 for $200 worth of spins (30.5% RTP)

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Jeez..........another laptop-chucker. Commiserations.

 

[Balthazar]

Jeez..........another laptop-chucker. Commiserations.

I've got 3 scatters 2 times during the FS (doesn't retrigger unfortunately), which paid $10 each and were the two biggest wins of the round. I came "close" to get a 5OAK only twice (lower paying symbols) and didn't get it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

311x or $61 for $200 worth of spins (30.5% RTP)

That's a shocker Balth, and is pretty much the exact potential disaster area for the round that I predicted earlier in this thread. There's nothing inherently 'special' about the 100x10 bonus round, I've had a 10x multiplier without kissing the queen, and I've had upwards of 25 spins without kissing her too.

All the 100x10 round does is give you a better 'target area' to hit a nice 5OAK, but considering that I'm currently at 5000+ spins (!!!!) without seeing a top-tier 5OAK, it's easy to see how the 100x10 round can pass by without really paying too much - especially since Enzo has explicitly stated that free spins use the same reels with the same odds as the base game, and there is no control involved.

Commiserations old chap

 

[Balthazar]

That's a shocker Balth, and is pretty much the exact potential disaster area for the round that I predicted earlier in this thread. There's nothing inherently 'special' about the 100x10 bonus round, I've had a 10x multiplier without kissing the queen, and I've had upwards of 25 spins without kissing her too.

All the 100x10 round does is give you a better 'target area' to hit a nice 5OAK, but considering that I'm currently at 5000+ spins (!!!!) without seeing a top-tier 5OAK, it's easy to see how the 100x10 round can pass by without really paying too much - especially since Enzo has explicitly stated that free spins use the same reels with the same odds as the base game, and there is no control involved.

Commiserations old chap

Do you kiss the queen fairly regularly or it's very rare?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Do you kiss the queen fairly regularly or it's very rare?

I've done it once in about 30K spins.

I'll let Arctic smash my current deposit to pieces and get my latest lifetime stats on it from live chat.

But I know for a fact they're ugly.....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

In the region of 5500 spins since I last hit a top-tier 5OAK, 100x stake.

Obviously in free spins it'd be 1000x stake.....

But that gives you an idea of how rare they are, and you need to hit one of these fuckers in the tiny window of free spins.....

 

[Balthazar]

I've done it once in about 30K spins.

Holy crap, I'm going back to Enchanted Spins then.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Holy crap, I'm going back to Enchanted Spins then.

If you email support they'll tell you what the exact odds of hitting the 100x10 bonus round are, I could have just been massively unlucky.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Top-tier 5OAK in free spins on a 4x multiplier. (400x stake, £80 on a 20p spin.)

Unfortunately it's the lowest paying top-tier 5OAK but it does have a wild in there.

Round paid 418x stake, three scatters trigger.

Still well below where I started today though.....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Thousands. And Thousands. And Thousands of spins later.

It's my second kissing of the Ice Queen.

Goddamn she'd better pay something.....

Kicking them off now.......

 

[ChopleyIOM]

For fuck's sake.

244x stake.

Had one near miss on 5OAKs on Kings, other than that absolutely knack-all, and the majority of this win came from scatters.

THIS. FUCKING. SLOT.

 

[aceking123]

For fuck's sake.

244x stake.

Had one near miss on 5OAKs on Kings, other than that absolutely knack-all, and the majority of this win came from scatters.

THIS. FUCKING. SLOT.

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[ChopleyIOM]

And what are the scores George Dawes?



ARCTIC, LIFETIME - RTP 87.96%, SPINS 40149

ARCTIC, LAST 30 DAYS - RTP 85.78%, SPINS 36523

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Do you kiss the queen fairly regularly or it's very rare?

Now kissed her twice in just over 40,000 spins, so if my stats are anything to go by you get to kiss the Queen once every 20,000 spins, and she can pay less than 250x stake when you finally get there.....

I'll let you know if things improve.....

 

[Andy Walker]

Now kissed her twice in just over 40,000 spins, so if my stats are anything to go by you get to kiss the Queen once every 20,000 spins, and she can pay less than 250x stake when you finally get there.....

I'll let you know if things improve.....

What an expensive hooker, just waiting for the menu to say ”satisfied you are now broke and homeless” in saying that I hope things turn around and you not only kiss the queen but get to stay the night with her.

 

[Greigssy]

£48 is ridiculous for 100 spins at 10x.Considering other slots like Great Blue regularly pay more and with a quarter of the amount of spins and the big multipliers come along frequently in the free spins rounds.

I have not kissed the Queen but have got to the top step so many time but no picks left. I would like to experience the 100x10 but I'm not going to give it 20000 spins as that's not going to do my bank account any favours.Maybe I will try for it in fun mode.

My biggest win on this slot is the 5 huskies inc wild which paid £40 (x200).This win is also higher than any total win Ive managed in free spins.Ive had 4 scatters but even with the extra picks only made it to step 2.

Ive been spending all of my money on Fortune Falls between 500-1000 spins per play. I have yet to see the 5 scatters or get that 3x2-magnet ball to fall to the third level since I opened my account with 3dice. Although I have had 5 wilds in normal play on a 0.50 bet.

 

[Nifty29]

And what are the scores George Dawes?



ARCTIC, LIFETIME - RTP 87.96%, SPINS 40149

ARCTIC, LAST 30 DAYS - RTP 85.78%, SPINS 36523

Considering you're yet to hit a whale or two, the stats aren't awful.

Remember your sample size is still very small. The more you play, the closer your RTP will get to the TRTP.

I will wager there are players with RTPs over 100% with similar spin numbers to yours...they too will slowly creep towards the TRTP over time.

The good news for you? Its likely to be an upward curve as time goes on

 

[Nifty29]

£48 is ridiculous for 100 spins at 10x.Considering other slots like Great Blue regularly pay more and with a quarter of the amount of spins and the big multipliers come along frequently in the free spins rounds.

I have not kissed the Queen but have got to the top step so many time but no picks left. I would like to experience the 100x10 but I'm not going to give it 20000 spins as that's not going to do my bank account any favours.Maybe I will try for it in fun mode.

My biggest win on this slot is the 5 huskies inc wild which paid £40 (x200).This win is also higher than any total win Ive managed in free spins.Ive had 4 scatters but even with the extra picks only made it to step 2.

Ive been spending all of my money on Fortune Falls between 500-1000 spins per play. I have yet to see the 5 scatters or get that 3x2-magnet ball to fall to the third level since I opened my account with 3dice. Although I have had 5 wilds in normal play on a 0.50 bet.

I think sometimes we forget how nasty this slot can be in regular play...with very few exceptions, you have to get 5OAK to get anything half decent. Given that it is easy to go 100 normal spins without a 5OAK, it shouldn't be difficult to accept that you might experience the same thing during 100 free spins, given they're generated the same as regular spins.

I've seen people hit 2000xbet+ on the free spins on Arctic, which is 200xbet on normal spins. If you documented your spins, or asked for your play history, and broke your play up into 100 spin blocks, you would find VERY few that paid 200xbet+. By the same token, you would find MANY blocks where you ended up with less than 100xbet.

We expect to get "better" spins during free spins, which is a common misunderstanding. The only thing different from normal is the multiplier.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

What's starting to bother me here is how goddamn long is it going to take to turn this slot around and actually make T-RTP?

I've now busted out from the balance I had after the 100x10 bonus round (all at 20p spins), and my RTP is STILL HEADING DOWN.

Seriously, you can go 600-800 spins on this slot and not hit a feature or a 20x stop trigger, and then be 'rewarded' with a free spins round that doesn't go beyond 1x pays and chucks out 5x stake off 15 derisory spins.

I've been generously comped again by 3Dice, it's almost become a formality with this slot now, I honestly feel like I could go a million spins on the fucking thing and still be 5-10% behind T-RTP.

(PLEASE NOTE - I am NOT calling shenanigans or donning my special Limited Edition Trademarked Dunover Tinfoil Hat (as jaunty as it may be), I think it's just a case of really realising how many spins making T-RTP could take when you get badly on the wrong side of the curve on a high variance slot early on.)

Latest numbers are below. I'm going to see out Slotsmeister this month, and then I'm on a break.

ARCTIC, LIFETIME - RTP 86.79%, SPINS, 42206.

 

[Greigssy]

I think sometimes we forget how nasty this slot can be in regular play...with very few exceptions, you have to get 5OAK to get anything half decent. Given that it is easy to go 100 normal spins without a 5OAK, it shouldn't be difficult to accept that you might experience the same thing during 100 free spins, given they're generated the same as regular spins.

I've seen people hit 2000xbet+ on the free spins on Arctic, which is 200xbet on normal spins. If you documented your spins, or asked for your play history, and broke your play up into 100 spin blocks, you would find VERY few that paid 200xbet+. By the same token, you would find MANY blocks where you ended up with less than 100xbet.

We expect to get "better" spins during free spins, which is a common misunderstanding. The only thing different from normal is the multiplier.

Yeah I do appreciate how bad the spins can be in normal play and how this can then happen in the bonus.The top level bonus for this slot being so rare to get, I would expect a better return than that especially after hitting it on 2 occasion .What this slot is missing is stacked wilds or symbols in the bonus round then getting that top level bonus would be more of a big payer. .For instance getting the top level 20 free spins on Bruce-Lee slot you are guaranteed a huge win.

 

[skiny]

I think the problem with this slot IS the 100x10 bonus feature. Maintaining the TRTP on any free spin bonus type slot requires a balance between the average payout per spin, average number of spins between free spins, the number of free spins and the given multiplier on a bonus feature. You're basically balancing out the bonus feature payouts with the regular play.

Using 3Dice slot games for examples and this is just off the top of my head, Medium variance games like Wild Waves often hit 2 to 5x during regular play but only offer a 3x multiplier during free spin mode. I find on average bonus features run around 20x the original wager but usually happen quite frequently. Tut offers a 6x multiplier but a 3x hit during regular play is less common. Bonus features seem to run around 40 to 60x but happen less often.

Now if you tip the scale on the bonus feature to the extreme with a 10 times multiplier and a massive 100 free spins you have no choice but to drastically reduce the average payout per spin to balance the TRTP. You end up with a game that rarely hits more than 1x and often hits zero. One problem with this is without the 100x10 your balance simply dwindles to nothing. And since the spins are totally random it could take anywhere from 100 to 1000 spins to hit a free spin bonus and even then the odds of getting the 100x10 are apparently 1 in 39 with 3 scatters. This means it could quite easily take anywhere from 3900 to 39000 spins to "kiss the queen." Chopley's first 100x10 seems to be sitting somewhere in the middle around 20000 spins. And if it takes that long to hit the 100x10, barring one hell of a huge hit your RTP will still likely be sitting well below the TRTP as Chopley's has because most of these spins are going to be less than 1x or zero just like the regular play spins (x10 of course.) Now the process starts again but this time you're starting from a losing position while your balance continues to dwindle until the next 100x10.

Now this all sounds like the game is guaranteed to lose, which it's not. I've been up on this game many times in tournament mode and in real play but when I say "up" I mean during that session on that particular starting balance. It's certainly not a game that you can simply ride out waiting for the bonus features to balance out the RTP. The scales on this game are tipped so far toward getting the one or two huge hits during your 100x10 free spin bonus that after one bad session it could take millions of spins just to bring your RTP back up to 90%.

This game is played quite regularly in tournament mode because an incredibly huge hit is possible and it doesn't matter if the game sucked a 2500 dollar starting balance dry the last 10 days in a row. Your RTP in tournament mode could be 50% for weeks and even if your one big hit only brings it back up to 75% it's still enough to win a tournament.

I think this game has to be played pretty much the same way in real money play unless you're like Chopley and watching your balance dwindle to nothing after tens of thousands of spins is a hobby. There's nothing wrong with that if that's how you like to play but you're probably better off taking a chunk of your balance that you're willing to throw away on a game that's most likely not going to pay out any time soon and hope this will be the rare occasion that it does. When that's gone go and find a game with a better chance of hitting something.

 

[Balthazar]

For fuck's sake.

244x stake.

Well my 30.5% RTP "record" didn't last long.

THIS. FUCKING. SLOT.

At first I didn't like it at all, then it slowly became kind of fun/addictive (I understand your "acquired taste" comment from earlier in the thread).

I won't invest too much money on it though since getting a line of Wilds during the 10X FS (which is next to impossible) is "only" $500 at minimum bet. Certainly not enough to cover many long losing sessions.

 

[dunover]

You guys, especially our Manx mate, are developing a dangerous fixation on this slot.
Dump the Ice Queen. She is a total biotch. She will two time you and lay her FS 5oak on somebody else behind your back, then come home later smiling at you until you get your wallet out. Divorce her now, before she tries taking your whole bank balance and not just part of it.......

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Decent post there skiny

As far as getting my RTP back on track on this slot goes, a 1418x stake hit when I was at 30K spins added 4.5% onto my lifetime T-RTP, so I'd basically need another two of those back-to-back to be about right.

Thing is, the slot is clearly capable of 3000-4000x stake and more, a single hit like that and I'd be at 95% RTP or thereabouts - I'm not going to try and camp it out though, that's too mad an undertaking even for me.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I think this game has to be played pretty much the same way in real money play unless you're like Chopley and watching your balance dwindle to nothing after tens of thousands of spins is a hobby. There's nothing wrong with that if that's how you like to play but you're probably better off taking a chunk of your balance that you're willing to throw away on a game that's most likely not going to pay out any time soon and hope this will be the rare occasion that it does. When that's gone go and find a game with a better chance of hitting something.

I will just pick up on this point actually, I am a 'grinder' when it comes to slots, but I most certainly don't enjoy watching deposit after deposit (after deposit) disappear without any significant return - as has happened with Arctic this month.

What past experience has taught me with high variance slots is that if I lump away at them for long enough on small stakes, random numbers will do their job and they'll lob out enough decent wins to at least get me close to T-RTP.

Either I've just been very unlucky with Arctic, or as you have suggested yourself skiny, that 100x10 bonus round has hamstrung the slot so badly RTP wise that outside of big 5OAKs in free spins on a big multiplier, there just isn't enough RTP to go around to make it anything other than a dead-cert loser without them.

Bruce Lee for example, (something of a high variance monster), you can have a good session on without hitting the 20 free spins 'mega' bonus round, it's quite capable of paying decently off the base game and off the two other lesser 5 free spins bonus rounds - I've had some good winning sessions on Bruce (and its clone) without seeing that 20 free spins round.

On paper Arctic looks like a similar proposition, 5OAKs in the base game pay nicely but not stupidly so (50x to 200x stake), and there's nothing to stop it chucking in 5OAKs in the free spins round on the smaller multipliers either - except for the fact it's not designed that way.

Thinking about my 40K spins on this slot, I think I've hit a 5OAK on the top-tier symbols in free spins three times, once was for the big 1200x stake win, once for 400x stake, and once for 300x stake - that's it, in over 40,000 spins.

IMO using the same reels for the base game and free spins is a bad idea, because the massive hit potential of the 100x10 round makes the base game very mean indeed, so what could be relatively regular top-tier 5OAKs in the base game to keep things ticking along, just aren't there.

Enchanted Spins is a MASSIVELY better slot IMO, but of course the bonus round on that is controlled, yes the RNG choosing the round result is entirely fair and random, but thereafter it's all pre-determined, the value of the round is known. Arctic has to factor in those huge multipliers on random uncontrolled spins, and of course that insane 100x10 round's potential (which can still pay shit anyway!) - and that's what kills the slot IMO.

(It's probably finished me off at 3Dice too, to be honest, I'll see out this month's Slotsmeister and then it's take-a-break time.)

 

[skiny]

I've had this conversation before. Just not here. Someone mentioned to me how many "dead" spins this game has and my reply was "It has to." If it didn't your 100x10 bonus feature would put your balance through the roof. The only question is how often you can get a free spin with at least a 7 or 8x multiplier so you can win some of your money back. If you're getting lots of free spins you'll probably do ok. If the free spins are few and far between you're better off looking for a different game to play.

Other games like Payola balance the regular spins with the 3 ball bonus feature by giving a 2x multiplier and taking away the 3x multiplier for lines with a wild. So 5ok with a wild actually pays less in free spin mode than it does in regular play. Depending how you look at it, that's probably not a bad thing because you spend a lot more time spinning in regular mode than you do in free spin mode so you're a lot more likely to get those 5 Elvis's or 5 Freddie's with a wild in the middle outside of your bonus feature.

I've never hit 5 Elvis's but I've had 5 Freddie's often enough and I think only once was it in free spin mode which pays less so I was better off hitting them during regular play.

I think what Arctic Treasure needs is something to balance out the regular play while you wait for the free spins. Something that isn't available during free spin play so it doesn't have to be accounted for with the 10x multiplier. Maybe a 3x multiplier on the wilds during regular play that is reduced during free spins like Payola. Something like that wouldn't require any change to the reels.

 

[Balthazar]

Ok guys, let's try this thing again

 

[dunover]

OK, sorry for the pessimism but I've learned by previous 10x100's that this round will probably sting.
I say an RTP for the 100 spins of 44%. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Balthazar]

OK, sorry for the pessimism but I've learned by previous 10x100's that this round will probably sting.
I say an RTP for the 100 spins of 44%. Hope I'm wrong.

Dude I just hit a BIG ONE.

Preview:



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[dunover]

Dude I just hit a BIG ONE.

Preview:

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Y-E-E-E-E-SSSSSSSSSSS!

I'm waiting with bated breath, especially to see Chopley go green later on

PS That puts the freespins at a MINIMUM of 125% RTP thus far.......

 

[Balthazar]

So here it is folks! Surprisingly, it's possible to win at this slot. Biggest hit was obviously the pic above, also got a full line of K's with a wild in it and numerous decent hits. 1841x stake.

 

[dunover]

So here it is folks! Surprisingly, it's possible to win at this slot. Biggest hit was obviously the pic above, also got a full line of K's with a wild in it and numerous decent hits. 1841x stake.

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Well done - 184% RTP on the freespins,

 

[Balthazar]

I'm on top
I'm there twice and I don't even know what the 316x is. The K's, maybe?



Edit: nope, the 316x was last weekend.

 

[dunover]

I'm on top
I'm there twice and I don't even know what the 316x is. The K's, maybe?

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Edit: nope, the 316x was last weekend.

For a while you're top.

BTW, who's the loser who occupies 5th. and 7th. place?