Is it just low player volume or is it actually hard to hit the max win, 600k gamerounds to max win it seems high/unlucky unless its the type of slot where lower payouts are weighted more heavily than usual.
New Slot Announcement New 3Dice slot - 'DICE FUSION', 3Dice does Reactoonz
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The chance of hitting the max win differs greatly between slots.
If he was playing Reactoonz 2 he could be considered the luckiest man alive if it 'only' took him 600k spins to hit the max win.
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Not 100% sure these numbers are accurate because they were handed to me by the not always all-knowing google AI, but i know the reactoonz games have some silly odds for hitting the max win.
If he was playing Reactoonz 2 he could be considered the luckiest man alive if it 'only' took him 600k spins to hit the max win.
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Not 100% sure these numbers are accurate because they were handed to me by the not always all-knowing google AI, but i know the reactoonz games have some silly odds for hitting the max win.
| Slot Game | Max Win Cap | Odds of Hitting Max Win |
|---|---|---|
| Reactoonz (Original) | 4,570.3x stake | 1 in 319 billion spins |
| Reactoonz 2 | 5,083x stake | 1 in 3,700 trillion spins |
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Well it's all kind of documented in this thread really
I played the game quite a lot when it first came out and did badly on it (check out Page 1!), and was waaaaaaay under RTP for a long time. Then I took a break from it, made my peace with its design and started playing it again, and then decided in August 2025 to just hammer away at it until I got a 3000x ball out of the bag.At that time I didn't even know it had a 4510x win because no one else had ever hit it, as it'd never appeared on the 3Dice Zeitgeist page!
And then in December last year it dropped a 4510x win into my lap, as screenshotted above and also shown in the video.
OK 3Dice is a smaller casino in the grand scheme of things, but even so, for just one player to hit the top prize in nearly four years, shows how rare some events can be. And then over in the Bonanza thread we have people who get a bad run on a few deposits at a particular casino or whatever, and decide the whole thing is bent
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A bit of both I think, as noted above 3Dice is a smaller casino and they're 'single site' running their own games, not like BTG that has infected the entire world of online casinos.
On the other hand, you will see the results for Dice Fusion on the 3Dice Zeitgeist page changing regularly so other people are clearly playing it there, and yet my 4510x win still sits alone as the only time it's happened for anyone in nearly four years.
I scrolled the first page and some of the second last night but gave up right before seeing this post below!Well it's all kind of documented in this thread really
At that time I didn't even know it had a 4510x win because no one else had ever hit it, as it'd never appeared on the 3Dice Zeitgeist page!
And then in December last year it dropped a 4510x win into my lap, as screenshotted above and also shown in the video.
OK 3Dice is a smaller casino in the grand scheme of things, but even so, for just one player to hit the top prize in nearly four years, shows how rare some events can be. And then over in the Bonanza thread we have people who get a bad run on a few deposits at a particular casino or whatever, and decide the whole thing is bent
New Slot Announcement Post in thread 'New 3Dice slot - 'DICE FUSION', 3Dice does Reactoonz'
Let's have a look at some stats! I asked Anna for my latest lifetime stats report on Dice Fusion and they came back as follows.
Dice Fusion 82392 £0.20 95.10%
So after 82,392 spins I'm basically bang on the T-RTP of the game, which is 95.2%. My latest rich run on it will definitely have helped there, yesterday in particular I cleared the better part of £450 profit (!) on 20p spins.
We have two previous data points for this as well:
And also this one:
So...
Dice Fusion 82392 £0.20 95.10%
So after 82,392 spins I'm basically bang on the T-RTP of the game, which is 95.2%. My latest rich run on it will definitely have helped there, yesterday in particular I cleared the better part of £450 profit (!) on 20p spins.
We have two previous data points for this as well:
And also this one:
| Dice Fusion Prog | 50356 | £0.20 | 91.60% |
So...
So roughly 13 months for 520k spins to get the 4500x. If we say the average is around 1300 spins a day, quite reasonable. Thats three really decent goes on bonanza with 100x (pmk 0 bonuses, everyone else 3, dunover 17
). Would take me 4 or 5 times longer I think.I think the bold part is a a mix of maybe not understanding random/volatility/variance that you mention a lot and also that a lot of people who have an idea about that still seem to get sucked into the moment, get hypnotized and tilt when they hit the dead streaks hence the rants that come straight after on here (basically the design does it's job really well on a slot like bonanza).
I'm not sure if that's part of the fun for others because tilting was one of the things I had to get rid off if i was going to enjoy slots.
What keeps me from tilting is just remembering that the same slots (maybe not bonanza lol) have played realy well at some point, ok at other times and will have to play badly as well. Nature of the game.
The other thing is that we only ever see a tiny snapshot of the possible results when we play. 1000 spins on a slot with a million results would only be 0.1% of the possibilities if every spin was unique. Slots have multi millions of possibilities (trillions in bonanzas case?).
On a graph that randomly plots every result a slot can produce I don't even think a dot made with the finest tip pen would be small enough to represent the average 'snapshot' that any player experiences when they play a slot.
Edit: just realised it was from August 2025 so 4 months 520,000 spins 4,333 spins per day average. That's some serious dedication to achieving the goal!
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I scrolled the first page and some of the second last night but gave up right before seeing this post below!
New Slot Announcement Post in thread 'New 3Dice slot - 'DICE FUSION', 3Dice does Reactoonz'
Let's have a look at some stats! I asked Anna for my latest lifetime stats report on Dice Fusion and they came back as follows.
Dice Fusion 82392 £0.20 95.10%
So after 82,392 spins I'm basically bang on the T-RTP of the game, which is 95.2%. My latest rich run on it will definitely have helped there, yesterday in particular I cleared the better part of £450 profit (!) on 20p spins.
We have two previous data points for this as well:
And also this one:
Dice Fusion Prog 50356 £0.20 91.60%
So...
So roughly 13 months for 520k spins to get the 4500x. If we say the average is around 1300 spins a day, quite reasonable. Thats three really decent goes on bonanza with 100x (pmk 0 bonuses, everyone else 3, dunover 17
I think the bold part is a a mix of maybe not understanding random/volatility/variance that you mention a lot and also that a lot of people who have an idea about that still seem to get sucked into the moment, get hypnotized and tilt when they hit the dead streaks hence the rants that come straight after on here (basically the design does it's job really well on a slot like bonanza).
I'm not sure if that's part of the fun for others because tilting was one of the things I had to get rid off if i was going to enjoy slots.
What keeps me from tilting is just remembering that the same slots (maybe not bonanza lol) have played realy well at some point, ok at other times and will have to play badly as well. Nature of the game.
The other thing is that we only ever see a tiny snapshot of the possible results when we play. 1000 spins on a slot with a million results would only be 0.1% of the possibilities if every spin was unique. Slots have multi millions of possibilities (trillions in bonanzas case?).
On a graph that randomly plots every result a slot can produce I don't even think a dot made with the finest tip pen would be small enough to represent the average 'snapshot' that any player experiences when they play a slot.
Edit: just realised it was from August 2025 so 4 months 520,000 spins 4,333 spins per day average. That's some serious dedication to achieving the goal!
Yes I'd say that's a pretty decent synopsis
So in the Bonanza thread someone will post a screenshot of a big max-Megaways hit, or a certain feature trigger, something particular during the feature happening, or even just a big basegame hit - and you'll get folks who are slightly outraged that 'Thing X' has never happened to them.
Statistically you can almost think of it as getting annoyed that Fred from Basingstoke won the National Lottery and becoming personally aggrieved that you have never won the National Lottery yourself. These are statistically extremely rare occurrences and the fact it's happened to one person doesn't mean it's 'due' to happen to you as well.
The reason I keep pointing people back to this thread is that (AFAIK) it's the only properly documented example here at CM of someone going all out for a 'jackpot win' on a slot, and tracking it the whole way with stats, the ups and the downs, and how the RTP fluctuates wildly early on before settling down over time as the sample size gets larger and larger.
But Dice Fusion is not Bonanza some will say in reply! To which the answer is exactly the same fundamental concepts are in play, to understand my journey with Dice Fusion in this thread, is to understand Bonanza.
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Good posts by you two. I seem to recall you had a good go at Tunzamunni too?Yes I'd say that's a pretty decent synopsis
So in the Bonanza thread someone will post a screenshot of a big max-Megaways hit, or a certain feature trigger, something particular during the feature happening, or even just a big basegame hit - and you'll get folks who are slightly outraged that 'Thing X' has never happened to them.
Statistically you can almost think of it as getting annoyed that Fred from Basingstoke won the National Lottery and becoming personally aggrieved that you have never won the National Lottery yourself. These are statistically extremely rare occurrences and the fact it's happened to one person doesn't mean it's 'due' to happen to you as well.
The reason I keep pointing people back to this thread is that (AFAIK) it's the only properly documented example here at CM of someone going all out for a 'jackpot win' on a slot, and tracking it the whole way with stats, the ups and the downs, and how the RTP fluctuates wildly early on before settling down over time as the sample size gets larger and larger.
But Dice Fusion is not Bonanza some will say in reply! To which the answer is exactly the same fundamental concepts are in play, to understand my journey with Dice Fusion in this thread, is to understand Bonanza.
Yes, the sense of perspective is often missing when referencing others' slot play.
Your TFC 5600x hit was an outlier, yet a fraction of what it could have been with a purple on reel 6 on either of those two (reel 1 purple) spins with 256x wild.
There's a 4400x base game Bonanza win somewhere on CM, over 4x more than my biggest base game hit which was a once-in-ten-years hit for me.
The Lil' Devil 40p bonus by a UK player that got to over/near 120,000x IIRC, nothing came close since. Nik Robinson said in billions of test spins nothing like that was recorded. Incredible spawn.
Naturally, as a player you would experience ALL those examples if you played long enough but we don't, hence the feeling of missing out.
To put it another way - if we all paid the VToS (Voluntary Tax on Stupidity) viz-a-viz the National Lottery, two draws a week. If we stuck to the same numbers, entered the two weekly draws giving 104 goes with our numbers a year:
Odds against on one ticket are 45,057,474/1 so we would expect on average to win the bastard once every 433,245 weeks. Or once every 8,332 years.
It therefore comes down to WHEN we win it. If you were 1,000x ahead of the curve (in the first 0.1 percentile) you would win it within your first 433.2 weeks, or within 8 years and 4 months. The you would be the spawny twat, the jammy f*cker, the one getting a huge RTP because it's 'rigged' for the rest of us.
And that's the whole point - it's WHEN we pull that special ball out of the bag, not if, because we all would if we played long enough and the longer you play the more likely you are to be very near the game's overall TRTP.
The fact is, despite outrageous exaggerations to the contrary regarding 'millions of spins' etc. most players in their lifetime play simply don't pull enough balls out to hit the Hollywood pays. Simples.
Two great examples being @ChopleyIOM 's getting 800x plus on his first visit to Bonanza and of course the infamous TFC 5600x first visit. He pulled those balls early so will forever be ahead of the TRTP having quit afterwards.
I mean, NLC even tell you in their game rules your chance of hitting their slot's top-pay jackpot of say 66,666x in a standard spin is 1/113,246,758 for example. So think about it - when I work out that over 10 years of relatively intense play on Bonanza that I have had somewhere between 1-2 million spins, if I played the NLC game to the same extent it would be 50-100/1 AGAINST me ever doing it. So if someone else does it within say 100,000 spins, yes they're a spawny twat, that's all. Nothing sinister about me NOT doing it!
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Call me naive but im still holding a bit of hope Chopley will revive the 3dice challenges for jackpots one day in the future!
This is why I ask many 'odd' looking questions on here.
I'm fully aware with how I play now it would take 20+ years to get through the amount of spins needed to experience a slot's possibilities outside of getting 'early' luck (I've had quite a lot and hope it continues!).
Might as well ask people who have already done it or say what I think and get it confirmed/corrected.
I haven't viewed the slots as the variable for quite a while now. It's the player (me) that's the variable, slots are pretty much the constant. Tilting, chasing, getting bored/annoyed, bankroll management etc. are all more variable imo than what the slot is doing.
That part is pretty much press spin and watch an animation happen followed by some feedback and interpretation related to the various numbers on the screen then decide if I want to press spin again!
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Can't see it happening TBH, haven't played there since March this year. 3Dice were the last casino I was playing at, I'd binned everywhere else off already.
3Dice didn't do anything 'wrong', as a casino they were a top-notch operation and in all my years playing there I never had a single problem, but I just got to the point where I wanted the time back for other stuff. (The money was neither here nor there really, as I kept my gambling spend at a level that was essentially irrelevant in regards to my overall financial position.)
