netflip.com- scamming casino offers

[nmjg12]

NETFLIP.COM OFFERS CASH INCENTIVES TO DOWNLOAD AND JOIN CERTAIN CASINO'S. I MADE THE MISTAKE OF TAKING 8 OFFERS FROM THEM AND NOT BEING PAID YET FROM THEM ON SIX OFFERS. I HAVE SENT NUMEROUS EMAILS AND TO DATE HAVE GOTTEN SILENCE. I DID FIND ANOTHER SITE THAT REPORTS SCAMS AND OTHERS HAD EXPERIENCED THE SAME THING FROM NETFLIP.COM.
IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST, IF I WAS TAKEN, THEN OTHERS WILL BE TO. BEWARE OF NETFLIP.COM AND ALL THEIR SO-CALLED FAST CASH OFFERS. I WAS TOLD THAT THE CASINO DECIDES IF YOU GET PAID, FROM ANOTHER SIMILAR SITE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT HERE ARE THE OFFERS TAKEN AND UNPAID:

1. THE GAMING CLUB 7-15-2002 PAID $32
2. LUCKY NUGGET CASINO 7-29-2002 PAID 32
3. CAPITAL CASINO 8-9-2002 UNPAID 32
4. ORBITAL ONLINE 8-9-2002 UNPAID 32
5. ACES HIGH 8-19-2002 UNPAID 32
6. GOOD AS GOLD 8-9-2002 UNPAID 25
7. JACKPOT CITY 8-17-2002 UNPAID 32
8. SHOWDOWN CASINO 8-31-2002 UNPAID 32

I NOW HAVE NO IDEA AS TO WHAT TO DO, IF ANYONE HAS ANY SUGGESTIONS, IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. AND PLEASE BEWARE IF IT WAS DONE TO ME THAN IT WILL BE DONE TO OTHERS.

 

[jetset]

It's unusual to have so many MGS casino complaints at one sitting so to speak.

I have a few casino contacts where I could try to assist if you wished. Were there wagering requirements and are you sure you met all of these? Did you use the tollfrees to talk to Support and if so what did they say? Have you tried to escalate your complaints beyond Support at any of the defaulting casinos?

What was the site url where you saw the other Netflip complaints?

 

[nmjg12]

Thank you Jetset for your response. The non payments were at and from Netflip.com, where these Casino's advertise and Netflip.com pays you to accept their offers and join these casino's. The lack of payment is legally Netflip's responsiblity even though the Casino's initiate the adds and pays the Netflip site.
The casino's I mentioned are the offers taken and downloaded and joined and met all the legal requirements to be paid by Netflip.com, the contracting company for the casino's. The casino's are third parties and may or may not be involved, or claim so.
I joined another casino, The Black Widow and this is where they told me that it was Black Widow that did not want to pay the finders fee, just as Netflip. I wrote back and explained that I had done everything by the book that was required and they changed their minds and agreed to pay me, regardless of what the widow wanted. Search Cactus told me that it is the casino's decision to pay the finders fee or not. If that is the same with all of these, I am not sure. But, I am sure that I did all that was required legally and contractually to be paid the finders fee when I accepted these offers and completed them.

The other sites that had similar complaints about not being paid by Netflip.com were;

Link Removed (invalid URL)

Link Removed (invalid URL) ---- that stated in brief,
" RIPOFF REPORT NETFLIP.COM. THEY LIED AND RIPPED ME OFF!!!RIPOFF BUSINESS FROM HELL, MENLO PARK CALIFORNIA " CONSUMER SUGG ", QUOTE, FOR FURTHER INSIGHT, JUST USE BROWSER FOR netflip and it is a bit further down the page or on the next one if links don't function.

 

[jetset]

I'm pretty sure that the casino operators concerned, regardless of Netflip's liability anyway would be alarmed at this sort of thing, because it obviously splatters them, too.

Has Netflip replied to your complaint and what have they said?

 

[nmjg12]

NETFLIP HAS BEEN TOTALLY UNRESPONSIVE FOR ALL THE EMAILS SENT, WHICH ARE IN THE DOZENS. I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED IF I WERE THESE CASINO'S TOO, AS IT DIRECTLY REFLECTS ON THEIR JUDGEMENT AND HONESTY AS WELL, YOU ARE CORRECT, AND IF THEY ARE THE SOLE DECISION MAKERS AS TO PAY OR NOT THEY ARE ALSO ACCOMPLICES IN THIS DUPLICITY.
I AM NO LONGER IN CONTACT WITH ANY OF THEM, THIS INCIDENT WAS SO UPSETTING.I ALSO SUSPECT THAT IF I WAS, I WOULD BE TOLD THAT THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO, BECAUSE LEGALLY IT WAS THROUGH CONTACT AND CONTRACT WITH NETFLIP EVEN THOUGH NETFLIP WAS HIRED BY THESE CASINOS.IF ANY OF THEM WOULD LIKE TO ASSIST, I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT REFUSE THEIR EFFORTS TO REGAIN MY RESPECT.
THEY CHOSE NETFLIP WITHOUT AN IN DEPTH EXAMINATION OR THEY KNEW THEIR TACTICS, EITHER WAY IT SHOWS A LACK OF RESPECT FOR BEING RESPONSIBLE IN THE WAY THEY RECRUIT NEW PLAYERS.

 

[Casinomeister]

I'm going to be contacting these casinos concerning this, and Netflip may be losing these as clients. I don't think the casinos would approve of Netflips terms and conditions:

NETFLIP GENERAL MEMBERSHIP

IMPORTANT TERMS AND CONDITIONS

Revised May 2, 2002

You must be 13 years of age or older to participate. If you are between the ages of 13 to 17, you must obtain parental permission before using the NetFlip service.

Not good exposure for these casinos I'd say.

As for getting paid by Netflip, this may be a problem. My guess is that they have made some CPA deals with marketing companies that represent these casinos and giving you a cut. Let's see if they will respond to me and give us an explanation.

 

[jetset]

Bryan - I'm already in contact with various people on this one, and I have referred them to this thread for background.

 

[jetset]

nmjg12

I'm looking into this for you with the help of a few contacts.

In your initial post you presented a list of MGS casinos where the Netflip offer had not been honored in your case as follows:

1. THE GAMING CLUB 7-15-2002 PAID $32
2. LUCKY NUGGET CASINO 7-29-2002 PAID 32
3. CAPITAL CASINO 8-9-2002 UNPAID 32
4. ORBITAL ONLINE 8-9-2002 UNPAID 32
5. ACES HIGH 8-19-2002 UNPAID 32
6. GOOD AS GOLD 8-9-2002 UNPAID 25
7. JACKPOT CITY 8-17-2002 UNPAID 32
8. SHOWDOWN CASINO 8-31-2002 UNPAID 32

We need to check with the individual casinos in order to run down this whole scam and sort it out, and I would be grateful if you would trust me with your user name in each casino case so that we can do that. You can email it to me privately at infopowa@intekom.co.za. Do not at this stage include your account number.

 

[Casinomeister]

Hi all,

Several of the casinos have contacted me, and so has the agency that has been dealing with Netflip. Netflip never answered my emails. Here is the rundown:

Gaming Club
Lucky Nugget
Showdown Casino
Jackpot City
have paid Netflip and Netflip has been instructed to pay nmjg12 immediately.

For the following casinos, it appears that nmjg12 never reached the casino and opened an account via the Netflip website:
Aces High
Orbital Casino

He may have signed up at the casino, but not via the Netflip offer and placement and therefore does not qualify as a Netflip user.

For Capital Casino, a rather unique situation exists. He did open an account with this casino via the Netflip offer. This was however the 2nd account that he had with this casino, so this account was closed. This happened before he purchased on this account. If he purchased on the original account that he opened (not from Netflip), he would not qualify for the Netflip reward, firstly because he did not come from Netflip and secondly, because he was not a new user and therefore did not qualify.

Also concerning the "teenager" clause in Netflips T&Cs. It turns out if you are a teenager using Netflip, you can not view the areas that have the casino banner ads.

I hope this semi-resolves everything!

 

[nmjg12]

NETFLIP IS DOWNRIGHT SCARY IN THEIR INCOMPETENCE OR ORDERS FROM OTHERS. MAYBE CRAZY LIKE A FOX? I CHECKED THEIR SITE AND THEY HAVE GIVEN CREDIT FOR LUCKY NUGGET 30 AND SHOWDOWN 30 ONLY, AND THESE WERE OFFERED AT 32 EACH.I AM STILL OWED 83 DOLLARS 7 MONTHS LATE. SHOULD ANYONE DEAL WITH THEM IN ACCEPTING CSINO OFFERS, I THINK NOT. HOPEFULLY, I JUST POSTED AN EXPLANATION OF THE FEW THAT DENY OWING ANYTHING, THOSE CASINO'S ARE MISTAKEN. BUT, I CANNOT FIND THAT POSTING MADE A FEW MINUTES AGO. JETSET HAS BEEN WRITTEN THE EXPLANATIONS WITH VERIFICATION OFF DEPOSITS, THAT PROVE ACES HIGH AND ORBITAL ARE LIARS. GOOD AS GOLD AND CAPITAL ARE A BIT MORE COMPLEX, BUT EXPLAINED FULLY IN THE EMAIL THAT I ASKED JETSET TO FORWARD TO BRYAN AND HOPE THAT IT GET'S POSTED. SINCE AS IT STANDS NOW, I AM BEING CALLED A LIAR BY ACES HIGH AND ORBITAL.THE TRUTH SHALL PREVAIL.

 

[jetset]

I confirm that nmjg12 has sent me documentary proof of his involvement with these casinos. I have forwarded same on to the Meister because he has already been in contact with Netflip.

 

[nmjg12]

AS AN UPDATE, SO FAR I HAVE BEEN CREDITED BY SHOWDOWN AND LUCKY NUGGET. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO SHORTSHEET THE OFFERS FOR 32 DOLLARS TO 30 DOLLARS EACH. HOW SLIMY CAN YOU GET? ALSO, IT APPEARS THAT JACKPOT CITY AND GAMING CLUB HAVE LIED TO THE CASINOMEAISTER AS THEIR IS NO CREDIT FOR THESE OFFERS.
FURTHER, IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT NETFLIP HAS ALTERED MY MEMBERSHIP DATE, AND THEIR SITE STATES THAT I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER SINCE OCT. 2002.
TO NETFLIPS AND ACES HIGH AND ORBITAL CASINO'S SURPRISE, I HAVE CONCLUSIVE PROOF AND HARDCOPY PRINTOUT AVAILABLE FOR ALL TO SEE, THAT I WAS A MEMBER OF NETFLIP SINCE JULY 2002. THIS IS NETFLIPS PAGE FROM THEIR SITE THAT I PRINTED OUT. SO MUCH FOR THESE CASINO'S EXCUSES FOR NOT PAYING A MEASLY AMOUNT OF 32 FOR TAKING THEIR OFFERS.
ALERT; A CASINO THAT CAN'T EVEN AFFORD TO PAY OUT $32 DOLLARS, SIGNS OF TROUBLE APPARENTLY, WOULD I PLAY AT THESE, THINK NOT.

 

[belinders]

Dear Norman,
Please feel free to contact me directly regarding your NetFlip issues.

In response to your January 22 posting:
1. The missing $2 was a crediting error. It has been fixed as of today, 1/31.
2. Your membership date has not been altered - the date listed in your account (@yahoo.com) is the date you became a member from that email address. It comes directly from our database and cannot be altered. If you have proof of a different membership date, under that email address, please let me know - the problem is then technical, not a "lie". I would be happy to see your printout - please feel free to contact me for my fax number, or I would be happy to send you a pre-paid envelope so that you may send it directly to me.


Regards,
Belinda Sye
belinda@netflip.com

 

[nmjg12]

BELINDA, QUIT WASTING POSTING SPACE, THIS IS THE SECOND SO-CALLER CREDITING ERROR , I HAD TO REMIND YOU INITIALLY THAT YOU MISLAID $4.40, REMEMBER. DO YOU USE AN ABUCUS TO KEEP YOUR BOOKS? READ ALL THE PREVIOUS POSTINGS AND STOP THESE LONG OVERDUE HALF HEARTED ATTEMPTS TO FOOL ANYONE. SIMPLY PAY YOUR LONG OVERDUE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS AND THAT MAKES YOU HONEST AGAIN. ANY HONEST COMPANY WOULD HAVE REPLIED TO THE NUMEROUS EMAILS LONG BEFORE SEVERAL MONTHS HAD PASSED. A CO-INCEDENCE, THAT YOU HAVE BEEN POSTED, THAT YOU RESPOND NOW, PLEASE, DON'T TRY TO DEAL WITH OTHERS ON NETFLIPS LOW LEVEL, TRY HONESTY AND A MODECUM OF INTELLIGENCE. YOUR UNTIMELY LATE EXCUSES FOOL NO-ONE. HONOR YOUR LEGAL OBLIGATIONS, AS AN HONEST COMPANY WOULD, RATHER THAN STALLING MORE AND WASTING TIME, PERIOD. OH, BY THE WAY, HOW IS IT THAT NETFLIP IS ALSO POSTED ALL OVER THE NET WITH SIMILAR PROBLEMS AS I HAVE HAD, CREDITING ERRORS, I SUPPOSE?

 

[nmjg12]

JUST CHECKED YOUR SITE, NETFLIP, BELINDA. STILL SHORTSHEETING ME $57 DOLLARS, AREN'T WE.
YOU HAVE ME DOWN FOR A CHECK FOR $128, WHEN IN FACT IT SHOULD BE FOR $185. TWO OFFERS I TOOK IN GOOD FAITH AND DID EVERYTHING CONTRACTUALLY CORRECT ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN RULES. THEY HAVE CHANGED A BIT SINCE IN SOME OF THE WORDING. NEVERTHELESS, AT THE TIME THAT I TOOK THEM, I AM OWED FOR THOSE TWO BINDING OFFERS. AGAIN, JUST READ THE POSTINGS, VERY SIMPLE TO DO. A TOTAL LIST OF OFFERS TAKEN FROM NETFLIP, NAMES OF THE CASINO'S, DATES AND AMOUNTS OWED. NO CREDITING ERRORS ON MY PART.
SINCERELY,

NMJG12, C.P.A.

 

[jetset]

Belinda, why has it taken you so long to resolve these issues, some of which this client alleges have been on the go for several months? And not responding to emails is never acceptable.

It seems to me that this gambler (and consumers put the bread on YOUR table too, remember) is being given a sustained runaround over small payment anomalies that have apparently been created by your company's inefficiency. In your position I would seriously consider not only a fair adjustment of his outstanding payments but a small bonus for the frustration he is clearly experiencing.

The managers of the casinos involved must be getting pretty frustrated, too because your errors reflect adversely on them.

 

[nmjg12]

WILL MIRACLES NEVER CEASE? THROUGH THE GENEROUS HELP OF JETSET AND CASINOMEISTER, BEST SITE ON THE WEB, I HAVE JUST RECEIVED FROM NETFLIP A BELATED CHECK FOR $128, 6 MONTHS LATE. OF COURSE THEY HAVE BLAMED:

1. ACES HIGH

2. GOOD AS GOLD CASINO

FOR NOT PAYING THE $57 DOLLARS STILL OWED FOR OFFERS TAKEN. AND, WOULD YOU OR COULD YOU BELEIVE THAT THEY HAD LOST MY ADDRESS IN THIS AGE OF COMPUTERS, OR SO THEY SAID? LET'S SEE IF THEY MAKE GOOD BELATEDLY ON THE OTHER BINDING CONTRACTUAL OFFERS TAKEN FROM
NETFLIP?

UNTIL THEN, I WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE TO STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM THIS SITE AS POSSIBLE.

 

[nmjg12]

AS AN UPDATE, IF ANYONE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN CHECKING OVER PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN CHEATED AND SCAMMED BY NETFLIP GO TO SITE MOUTHSHUT.COM. EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM I HAD AND AM STILL HAVING COLLECTING FROM NETFLIP. A COINCEDENCE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE BEING SCAMMED, I THINK NOT. ALSO, A SPY FROM NETFLIP JOINED MOUTHSHUT TO SPY ON ANY DEROGATORY MESSAGES AND HER NAME IS BELINDA SYE AND I ALSO RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM NETFLIP FROM HER THAT THEY LOST MY ADDRESS. SNEAKY HUH. HER LOGIN NAME IS BELINDAS. SEND HER AN EMAIL FROM THIS SIGHT IF THEY OWE YOU MONEY TOO.
NETFLIP STILL TO THIS LATE DATE OWES ME 89 DOLLARS AND HAS NOT PAID FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND BLAMES THE CASINOS. SO, THESE ARE THE CASINOS THAT HAVE NOT AGREED TO PAY THE SLIGHT SUM OF 32, 32 AND 25 DOLLARS,RESPECTIVELY:

1. CAPITAL
2. ACES HIGH AND NEVER ANSWERED MY RECENT EMAIL
3. GOOD AS GOLD

IF THEY FAIL TO PAY THESE MINOR AMOUNTS, DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU WILL COLLECT ON ANY LARGER WINS IF ANY. VERY DOUBTFUL AS ONE SAYS, ONCE A CROOK ALWAYS A CROOK. FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, STAY AWAY FROM NETFLIP, ACES HIGH CASINO, CAPITAL CASINO AND GOOD AS GOLD CASINO. A WORD TO THE WISE.
WHERE'S MY MONEY BELINDA SYE FROM NETFLIP THAT PROMISED THEY WOULD MEND THEIR WAYS, SURE.