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How exactly is this false marketing? I have no interest in having a rosh discussion, but. Obviously a casino are in no way obliged to give the same wagering requirements and rules on all bonuses and to all players.

All logic dictates that many VIP players for example will be offered higher betting limits.


Tell that to the inexperienced players, that are watching these streams..
OP mentioned Rosh and he is just an example..

I know and many people here know we do not get the same WR or bonus t&c's but many do not know this..
 
Tell that to the inexperienced players, that are watching these streams..
OP mentioned Rosh and he is just an example..

I know and many people here know we do not get the same WR or bonus t&c's but many do not know this..

And still I fail to see how the OP not reading the T&C makes it false marketing?

T&C customers accept upon registration and most definitely were not hidden in this case
 
I think its not even legal, but who could start a over the border legal case to fight his/her rights in this case... Its impossible

Exactly - it would be a complete pain in the arse and they know this and are banking on it.

There was a time until recently when it was considered 'fact' that online casinos could take the utter piss with their T&C's and the customers had to suck it up. For those fortunate to gamble at UKGC licensed casinos, the regulator called in the CMA who sided with the consumer and took a number of enforcement actions which fundamentally changed the game to the players benefit.

The following page provides some long commentary on the matter:-

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In regards to your specific problem the following section is an interesting read:-

(4) Fairness and transparency of play restrictions
The issue
In addition to our general concern that significant conditions are not adequately communicated to consumers, we are also concerned about the fairness and transparency of specific terms which purport to set out restrictions on particular types of gameplay. Some of the more specific examples of such terms seek to prevent consumers from placing wagers above a certain maximum bet size. However, more nebulous and uncertain terms talk more broadly about consumers not engaging in ‘low risk betting strategies’ or otherwise behaving in a manner which the operator considers to amount to an ‘abuse’ of the promotional terms. In circumstances where there is nothing to stop consumers inadvertently engaging in such behaviours, and operators may exercise their discretion with serious consequences for the consumer (including forfeiting winnings and unspent deposit funds) the CMA considers such terms are not fair or transparent.
The underlying principles

The CMA has a particular concern where such terms could be used to apply sanctions to consumers’ own deposited funds, as appears commonly to be the case in the promotions we have seen. Such promotional terms operate to prohibit and sanction play that would otherwise be permitted and legitimate when the consumer plays outside the promotion, including placing bets above a particular threshold.
Whilst there is no overarching ‘right to bet’, once an operator accepts a bet there is a binding contract and the winnings constitute an enforceable debt. A term that seeks to legally reserve an operator’s position to avoid liability under such bets on the basis of play restrictions would cause a significant imbalance by departing from the legal position that would otherwise apply.

Unfortunately, those comments are highly qualified opinions which ultimately have to be tested in a court of law. My interpretation is that by allowing you to place that bet they legally accepted your bet. My guess is that if this was tested in a UK court of law the confiscation of funds may not be lawful. But back to your point - who wants to go through that process?

And for those who make daft claims such as "it's in black and white in the T&CS" that is simply not the case in UK law. If they had a clause which stated you had to give them a kidney if you bet more than £5 do you think they could legally enforce it? Of course not. Thankfully we have good consumer protection laws in the UK so they can write what they like in those T&Cs......as long as they are fair and legal.

Sadly, the biggest heist the online casinos managed to pull in this regard was convincing everyone it was entirely legal and you end up with a situation where even people who are players and not even affiliates do the casinos bidding on their behalf much like a lot of responses to this thread.

I can honestly say that if the outcome of this for you is that you never play at an online casino again it will definitely work out better for you in the long run.

All the best.
 
I wonder at what point did we just start to accept this type of behaviour from casinos, to the extend that other players are supporting it and ruling against the player? The only reason a rule like this exists is to stop bonus abusers, when a player is not purposely abusing a bonus, but just playing, it's unethical for a casino to hide behind the rule to confiscate the money from a player. It's not because you play part of your session at higher bets that you are automatically abusing a bonus, and for a casino to just confiscate winnings based on that, I consider that fraud or incompetence.

Any reputable casino would clear the player in cases like this, so avoid casinos like N1 in the future.

This exactly describes my feeling towards the whole situation. Its so clear the rules and somewhat “hidden” communication are setup this way to benefit the casino’s against unexperienced players.

(Online) Casino’s by nature are not setup to provide you a fun service, they are here to get as much money from you as possible, no matter what the cost. Allways looking to find the limits / borders of whats legal to do so, and comply exactly at that point and no further.

Players should stand together and stand up against these situations so a 100% flawless and fair game is guaranteed, instead of blaming the new guy he’s “stupid” for not reading the T&C’s...

Someday you will be confronted with your own situation where you by accident hit max bet or double or whatever, and you’ll find out for yourself how unfair it is they dont technically limit you to bet higher, as long as you loose....
 
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"Let me try out this casino for 14 days and see if I like it. If not I'll just get a refund like I did with my fridge"
You’re missing the point. I didnt loose and ask for a refund. I bought the fridge with a discount but didn’t read the T&C stating it was a bag of ice instead of the pretty fridge I saw in the picture that lured me in buying in the first place.

Sure, not smart not to read the description, but people are allowed to assume certain things...

Just look at the first page of the website on a mobile, where do you see there’s a bonus limitation until after you are almost done signing up?

The only part is the last page of the signup where you agree to the general t&c’s..

Bear in mind I’m new in this world, I never knew I had to consider stuff like contract written rules to bet low with a signup bonus...

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Exactly - it would be a complete pain in the arse and they know this and are banking on it.

There was a time until recently when it was considered 'fact' that online casinos could take the utter piss with their T&C's and the customers had to suck it up. For those fortunate to gamble at UKGC licensed casinos, the regulator called in the CMA who sided with the consumer and took a number of enforcement actions which fundamentally changed the game to the players benefit.

The following page provides some long commentary on the matter:-

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In regards to your specific problem the following section is an interesting read:-

(4) Fairness and transparency of play restrictions
The issue
In addition to our general concern that significant conditions are not adequately communicated to consumers, we are also concerned about the fairness and transparency of specific terms which purport to set out restrictions on particular types of gameplay. Some of the more specific examples of such terms seek to prevent consumers from placing wagers above a certain maximum bet size. However, more nebulous and uncertain terms talk more broadly about consumers not engaging in ‘low risk betting strategies’ or otherwise behaving in a manner which the operator considers to amount to an ‘abuse’ of the promotional terms. In circumstances where there is nothing to stop consumers inadvertently engaging in such behaviours, and operators may exercise their discretion with serious consequences for the consumer (including forfeiting winnings and unspent deposit funds) the CMA considers such terms are not fair or transparent.
The underlying principles

The CMA has a particular concern where such terms could be used to apply sanctions to consumers’ own deposited funds, as appears commonly to be the case in the promotions we have seen. Such promotional terms operate to prohibit and sanction play that would otherwise be permitted and legitimate when the consumer plays outside the promotion, including placing bets above a particular threshold.
Whilst there is no overarching ‘right to bet’, once an operator accepts a bet there is a binding contract and the winnings constitute an enforceable debt. A term that seeks to legally reserve an operator’s position to avoid liability under such bets on the basis of play restrictions would cause a significant imbalance by departing from the legal position that would otherwise apply.

Unfortunately, those comments are highly qualified opinions which ultimately have to be tested in a court of law. My interpretation is that by allowing you to place that bet they legally accepted your bet. My guess is that if this was tested in a UK court of law the confiscation of funds may not be lawful. But back to your point - who wants to go through that process?

And for those who make daft claims such as "it's in black and white in the T&CS" that is simply not the case in UK law. If they had a clause which stated you had to give them a kidney if you bet more than £5 do you think they could legally enforce it? Of course not. Thankfully we have good consumer protection laws in the UK so they can write what they like in those T&Cs......as long as they are fair and legal.

Sadly, the biggest heist the online casinos managed to pull in this regard was convincing everyone it was entirely legal and you end up with a situation where even people who are players and not even affiliates do the casinos bidding on their behalf much like a lot of responses to this thread.

I can honestly say that if the outcome of this for you is that you never play at an online casino again it will definitely work out better for you in the long run.

All the best.

Thank you, this exactly describes my case and the point I’m trying to make on how n1 casino works.
 
Funny, just received this email, where is the max bet limit mentioned? Besides general t&c..



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Or here when I deposit

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or even here when I actually have to activate the bonus!

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No clear mention whatsoever imho...
 
First, click on the T&C link and see what the max bet size is + other requirements (like wagering), then make a deposit if you wish to claim the bonus. I always translate "T&Cs apply" as "Lees de Regels & Voorwaarden".

the link refers to this wall of text:
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As a new player I was not aware I’m supposed to look for max bet amount rules, assuming its technically limited in 2019.

Honestly, over 90% of people never read those and its being taken advantage of, which is the point I’m trying to make.
 
the link refers to this wall of text:
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As a new player I was not aware I’m supposed to look for max bet amount rules, assuming its technically limited in 2019.

Honestly, over 90% of people never read those and its being taken advantage of, which is the point I’m trying to make.

No over 90% are not taken advantage of nor are the terms at n1 hidden. I get that you don't like it, but the applicable rules are easily accessible.

That you were not aware do not change the fact you agree to the casinos terms when signing up.

As for the screen shots above. It clearly points out terms apply and even link to them.
 
That is not a valid argument Meph. When claiming a bonus, players should always make sure that they know the applicable terms, it is the responsibility of the player. Also, the add mentions contacting Live Chat if you have any questions. I sometimes double-check with a CSR to be safe.
unless, ive played there or bonus free I ALWAYS check with live chat, ask for a transcript or screenshot
 
some good comedy clauses in that link

"Money deposited in casino must be used for gaming activity. Due to this, all deposits need to be wagered at least 1 time. If a player is suspected of money laundering or other fraudulent actions, the casino has the right to request that the deposits need to be wagered at least 3 times.

how about not accepting the deposit :confused:
 
some good comedy clauses in that link

"Money deposited in casino must be used for gaming activity. Due to this, all deposits need to be wagered at least 1 time. If a player is suspected of money laundering or other fraudulent actions, the casino has the right to request that the deposits need to be wagered at least 3 times.

how about not accepting the deposit :confused:

Basically, if you’re a money launderer, expect to pay addition fees.

Personally, I think that’s quite fair.

We all hate launderers who get preferential treatment of only having to roll over once.
 
That is not a valid argument Meph. When claiming a bonus, players should always make sure that they know the applicable terms, it is the responsibility of the player. Also, the add mentions contacting Live Chat if you have any questions. I sometimes double-check with a CSR to be safe.

I did, I spoke to Felix about the bonus and how it works. He only mentioned the 50x wager and the amount I needed to play after checking my stats. The max bet limit was not mentioned.
 
I did, I spoke to Felix about the bonus and how it works. He only mentioned thd 50x wager and the amount I needed to play after checking my stats. The max bet limit was not mentioned.
Its not the responsibility of livechat to go through every single term and condition of the bonus, you have to accept that you are responsible for checking the t's & c's, and if you were to lazy to do that you can't expect any other outcome.
 
I did, I spoke to Felix about the bonus and how it works. He only mentioned the 50x wager and the amount I needed to play after checking my stats. The max bet limit was not mentioned.

You should have asked Felix if these were the only terms attached to the bonus. Still, it remains your responsibility to check out all bonus terms and, when in doubt, check with live chat.
 
4 full pages of this.

The Max bet rule applies at nearly every casino.

It is not hidden and is easy enough to understand.

Okay it must be bad losing a lot of money through breaking terms but such is life. It clearly states you agree to T&cs so hardly casino's fault if you can't be arsed reading them.

The casino has done no wrong. The bonus clearly tells you t&c's apply so surely you would go and read what they are.
 
4 full pages of this.

The Max bet rule applies at nearly every casino.

It is not hidden and is easy enough to understand.

Okay it must be bad losing a lot of money through breaking terms but such is life. It clearly states you agree to T&cs so hardly casino's fault if you can't be arsed reading them.

The casino has done no wrong. The bonus clearly tells you t&c's apply so surely you would go and read what they are.

I agree the casino is probably in its rights, and I have learned by posting this most online casino’s operate in the same way. I do not expect them to compensate me, I just want to make a point it would be good for the online casino to act more transparant, specially towards new players.

Sorry, but I do not agree that the importance of this rule should be hidden in this long wall of text called t&c. Technical limits on the maximum allowed bet should be implemented. Answer me this: Why don’t they apply the technical limit, or show clear warnings or inform more transparant? The answer is most likely they do it by choice, because most don’t read or fully understand the t&c, it’s complicated.

The harder you try to understand the fine print, the more confusing it becomes. Like driving past slicing lines of cornrows, the sentences snap into meaningless patterns. They're written like that on purpose. In a style so dry that your eyeballs crack as your brain tries to sneak out of your ears.
 
Besides a technical limit this bonus overview here would be the perfect and assumed spot to let new unexperienced players know there’s a max bet limit with this bonus of € 5,-

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That's why I only take a bonus at sites that I know inside out: V&J (they apply favourable bonus terms) and sometimes Guts.
ya I dont play there any more but took matches all the time - it was pretty basic...grind it through X times, dont bet over 5 bucks
 
Taking a decent reload bonus doesnt hurt. There are few unless they miss your.deposits after a.month of absence.

Paradisecasino has 25% reload 30x wager with no max bet which is almost impossible to find anywhere.

Vip manager Romina at ladyhammer will basically ask you want you want for % and wager and offer bonuses that nobody would even consider giving on a birthday.

The myterious change at n1 from my vip manager tells me its not possible that its the same person. The cold mean girl just became the most happy, generous and fun manager ever?!? Maybe softswiss think their customer wont see a thing.... but 8 managers acting totally different instantly is hard to miss. It's a good change some... some of them were... special :)

Live.casino 25% cashback on monday no wager

Apart from that? LOL you can enjoy the great 100% deal at imperium casinos!!! Only 35x deposit+bonus and most games contributes at 50%. Who actually claim those deal? 100% bonus at 40x is already very bad... just burn your money it will be faster and.you can listen to a.movie instead.

L&L only offers me reload bonuses worth 5$ like 50 spins on a 10 cents slot... I dont get it. Yeti only offers cashback with wager around 10x to 20x... I prefer the straight 10% no wager at casinocasino but i hate to wait 24h to claim it...

The worst of all? The unclear vague terms with info left out on purpose to apply an imaginary rule not to pay gunsbet style. Sir we added a bonus without you concent, that makes you a bonus abuser and wr consider this a breach of.... blablabla we deserve to go to hell and we are fine with it.

1. You see the.word bonus ratio % on bonus term and even if you try to understand, not a.single agent does...if.you ask your personnal ratio... they dont provide such info
2. Ridiculous max bet like 1 EUR with no max protection and obviously set up most slots to open at 4$ bet .
3. The infinite list of excluded games is not in alphabetical order... and it magically changes from time to time without any dates being changed

I always thought they were very generous with their 75% 30x wager. If you.clear it, they send you flowers with antrax in it :)
 
Taking a decent reload bonus doesnt hurt. There are few unless they miss your.deposits after a.month of absence.

Paradisecasino has 25% reload 30x wager with no max bet which is almost impossible to find anywhere.

Vip manager Romina at ladyhammer will basically ask you want you want for % and wager and offer bonuses that nobody would even consider giving on a birthday.

The myterious change at n1 from my vip manager tells me its not possible that its the same person. The cold mean girl just became the most happy, generous and fun manager ever?!? Maybe softswiss think their customer wont see a thing.... but 8 managers acting totally different instantly is hard to miss. It's a good change some... some of them were... special :)

Live.casino 25% cashback on monday no wager

Apart from that? LOL you can enjoy the great 100% deal at imperium casinos!!! Only 35x deposit+bonus and most games contributes at 50%. Who actually claim those deal? 100% bonus at 40x is already very bad... just burn your money it will be faster and.you can listen to a.movie instead.

L&L only offers me reload bonuses worth 5$ like 50 spins on a 10 cents slot... I dont get it. Yeti only offers cashback with wager around 10x to 20x... I prefer the straight 10% no wager at casinocasino but i hate to wait 24h to claim it...

The worst of all? The unclear vague terms with info left out on purpose to apply an imaginary rule not to pay gunsbet style. Sir we added a bonus without you concent, that makes you a bonus abuser and wr consider this a breach of.... blablabla we deserve to go to hell and we are fine with it.

1. You see the.word bonus ratio % on bonus term and even if you try to understand, not a.single agent does...if.you ask your personnal ratio... they dont provide such info
2. Ridiculous max bet like 1 EUR with no max protection and obviously set up most slots to open at 4$ bet .
3. The infinite list of excluded games is not in alphabetical order... and it magically changes from time to time without any dates being changed

I always thought they were very generous with their 75% 30x wager. If you.clear it, they send you flowers with antrax in it :)

Ok, thanks for the info.. I’m starting to realize all these online casino’s are setup in a way its almost impossible to take a good win, because they all use this crazy wager with max bet combo in the rules?....
 
A fair bonus would be 30x bonus. Since most Casinos offering 40x bonus at their best I refuse to pick a match bonus. I only do pick it when it is no-sticky. I had only one problem with a bonus and it was my fault at Twin Casino for collecting bonus games and playing under a certain threshold before opening (I wrote before I opened the first game but no chance).
 
Ok, thanks for the info.. I’m starting to realize all these online casino’s are setup in a way its almost impossible to take a good win, because they all use this crazy wager with max bet combo in the rules?....
well..yes? It's meant to favour the casino with a chance for the players to beat WR and win something free

but go bonus free and youve none to woory about
 
A fair bonus would be 30x bonus. Since most Casinos offering 40x bonus at their best I refuse to pick a match bonus. I only do pick it when it is no-sticky. I had only one problem with a bonus and it was my fault at Twin Casino for collecting bonus games and playing under a certain threshold before opening (I wrote before I opened the first game but no chance).

Well, a 30x bonus more often than not gives the player an advantage, with the high level of bonus abuse casinos face, they are of course not to eager to offer an edge.

As for saving up bonus rounds and playing them once the bonus is lost, this is text book bonus abuse and as you said, on you. No message before playing them would save you on that one.
 
Well, a 30x bonus more often than not gives the player an advantage, with the high level of bonus abuse casinos face, they are of course not to eager to offer an edge.

As for saving up bonus rounds and playing them once the bonus is lost, this is text book bonus abuse and as you said, on you. No message before playing them would save you on that one.

I played at different places where it would save the bonus rounds and would not transfer to real cash before all bonus rounds were played (example: Platin Casino). I did not expect that it transfers below $1 to real cash. And the rule was for bonus abusers but I just realized it became real money and immediatly contacted twin support. But I agree I should be more careful when using a bonus.

30x or maybe 35x is more than fair with the max. bet rule in my opinion.
 
Ok, thanks for the info.. I’m starting to realize all these online casino’s are setup in a way its almost impossible to take a good win, because they all use this crazy wager with max bet combo in the rules?....
well..yes? It's meant to favour the casino with a chance for the players to beat WR and win something free

but go bonus free and you've none to worry about

I am always surprised at the number of Opening Posts and comments regarding how unfair bonuses are, although undoubtedly some are.

BUT...in the main, it is free money offered by the casino, allowing players to play longer, with an outside chance to beat the wagering requirements and win with the funds that have been 'donated' by the casino. So why should the odds not be weighted in favour of the casino?

To expect to get this free money, with little or no wagering, is rather naive.
 
I am always surprised at the number of Opening Posts and comments regarding how unfair bonuses are, although undoubtedly some are.

BUT...in the main, it is free money offered by the casino, allowing players to play longer, with an outside chance to beat the wagering requirements and win with the funds that have been 'donated' by the casino. So why should the odds not be weighted in favour of the casino?

To expect to get this free money, with little or no wagering, is rather naive.
It is patently not free money and for you to describe it as such is entirely misleading.

If you were a casino and described it as free money you should expect to be sanctioned by the ASA with fines and such like.

I would suggest that people such as you who describe conditional bonuses as 'free money' actually contribute to the misunderstanding.
 
It is patently not free money and for you to describe it as such is entirely misleading.

If you were a casino and described it as free money you should expect to be sanctioned by the ASA with fines and such like.

I would suggest that people such as you who describe conditional bonuses as 'free money' actually contribute to the misunderstanding.

I agree that it is not totally free money, in that the punter has to pay something for it in terms of wagering. A point I thought I actually made clear in my post.

But it is free money in that it is money the punter did not originally have, and is given to said punter - albeit with terms and conditions - to try to make theirs by completing the wagering.

So no, I do not think it is "people like me" who contribute to the misunderstanding at all.

You should be aiming your semantic barbs at people who don't read the T&Cs; people who want something for nothing without paying for it; people who believe rules are there to be broken; and people who believe they are above such trivialities as honouring maximum bets.
 

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