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Been very much self absorbed lately. I have been playing slots on 3 dice here and there but have not had much spare time to be on CM. Also after a stint in the hospital thanks to my BP and stress level, i have been trying to take it easy. I for one had no idea RJ was gay and i have known him for more years then i can remember. I come to CM to see the latest casino news and experience from other gamblers so that i know where to play and where to stay away from. I have a daughter that is 12 years old and she has asked me out right how i would feel if she did not like boys. I remember asking RJ his opinion, not because i thought he was gay, but because he is my friend. I answered with honesty that i will love and support her no matter what. That being said i have not been able to read the whole thread and missed the ones that were posted, so i cant comment on what i did not see. I can however say to each there own. Race, sex, religion does not change the character of a person. I have spoken to a lot of people in my time on forums and I cant remember ever asking someone about anything other then the occasional vent about slots and asking about everyday mundane things. There are wayyyyy more fish to fry. I either like you or don't.
 
I have a method to help me deal with any old shite I see posted on the interweb :cheerleader:


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Well kinda but it just proves another point about likes and thanks in forums in general. Maybe what needs to be done also. Is on threads that are political in nature and on various topics deemed that will cause upset, they should disable the likes and thanks buttons on said threads, to thus show that people do not get hurt by the subliminal messages that are judged when people like/thank certain types of posts, etc etc

After many years posting in various fora I long ago came to the conclusion that I shouldn't be to precious about my posts or my OP's and the popularity of them or otherwise.
You have been strong enough to post your OP and deal with any oncoming. Why care about any perceived slights?
 
After many years posting in various fora I long ago came to the conclusion that I shouldn't be to precious about my posts or my OP's and the popularity of them or otherwise.
You have been strong enough to post your OP and deal with any oncoming. Why care about any perceived slights?

Because we have to care about when we see things we do not agree with and or are attacking those values we hold strong to our own views. And that is what makes this whole subject one that is a fight for all of us in the gay community.
 
Because we have to care about when we see things we do not agree with and or are attacking those values we hold strong to our own views. And that is what makes this whole subject one that is a fight for all of us in the gay community.

But RJ if we allowed everything negative that is posted online about things that we believe in get to us then we could tie ourselves in knots. There has to be a balance.

Don't allow other people's negativity live in your head rent free :thumbsup:
 
Well kinda but it just proves another point about likes and thanks in forums in general. Maybe what needs to be done also. Is on threads that are political in nature and on various topics deemed that will cause upset, they should disable the likes and thanks buttons on said threads, to thus show that people do not get hurt by the subliminal messages that are judged when people like/thank certain types of posts, etc etc

WHY??? Those buttons serve a purpose, maybe someone has nothing new to contribute so mark their assent by using the 'like' button or don't have time to make a post.

So there we go again, one person suggesting or telling us how the forum should change, or be run according to their personal criteria or opinions.

It seems you have opened Pandora's box here and are now trying to slam the lid back down.

Your OP had a one or two reasonable points in it, but you're now coming across like a spoilt child not getting their own way. So I will leave the thread, I have nothing more constructive to add and I've seen enough. If you're trying to convince people of your point of view, you're going about it the wrong way.
 
Because we have to care about when we see things we do not agree with and or are attacking those values we hold strong to our own views. And that is what makes this whole subject one that is a fight for all of us in the gay community.

You liked some posts in this thread - I've got no problem with that - but by your reasoning I should be throwing my toys out of my pram and storming off in to the distance - why???? I welcome other peoples input, their views and thoughts. I couldn't care less if you like their posts even if they say things, i may i said MAY, not agree with . That's your prerogative to click like - i respect your right to like the post.

I have gay friends , I have straight friends - I have religious friends etc etc - I don't have to pussy foot around them, worrying about everything I say or like and in the nicest possible way I am not going to pussyfoot around you either.

This is predominately a casino forum - so why leave it if you like talking or reading about all that sort of stuff . You will probably only ever meet a couple of us if that - we are a virtual presence and really not worth getting all upset over.
 
This is probably a bad time to mention how much I prefered the old 'Thanks' button. But I'm pleased to announce that I've kinda got familiar with the duality of the new system.

I hope that clears things up :confused:

Not sure whether to thank or like this post or shall I just push the boat out and press them both?
 
From what i read RJ was just voicing his opinion on some recent threads that did not sit well with him. I did not see where he was being anything but direct in his opinion. We all have different ways of expressing ourselves and getting a point across. I have had times of a terrible losing streak where i might have come across as having a tantrum after i posted about it. Not all of us are articulate in posting our thoughts and feelings to everyone's liking or understanding. Feelings are a strong emotion and i take it that the other threads may have hurt the OP's. I did scan the other thread briefly and that was a strong topic. Glad it was closed. Wish sometimes i had no emotions but even mine get hurt sometimes. A part of life whether you are a child or grown up. To air is human, to be perfect is divine.
 
While I agree that everyone has the right to voice their own opinion, but there is a time and place for it. A gambling forum really isn't the place. I can the OP's side, and now knowing he is gay I can see why he is rattled.

DreamRJ- just remember, it is 1 person's view. Not everyone here has that view. Don't let 1 moron ruin your day. They aren't worth the time or effort.

LH

The gambling forum has a section for it. Im quite content with discussions, they moderate it well. If it gets too out of hand, it is closed. If people bash others, they get infractions or banned.

As for the anything else. People have the right to their opinion as long as it doesnt turn into personal attacks/racism/bashing. I dont agree with banning anyone for their views as long as it is done within a somewhat reasonable way. While the poster made some strange comments, he clearly said it wasnt bashing (I think he was a bit trollish/bashy but ive seen way worse.) It was the premise.

There are some countries out there that ban gay marriage or anything gay. Entire religions that consist of hundreds of millions of believers that dont believe in it. So should we ban them all just because some dont agree with it? The world is made up of different views about everything. The day we start muzzling it, is the day we start to lose our freedom.

How is you threatening physical harm and constant name calling anything better? You are doing the same thing you are trying to fight for.
 
That was clearly not the case what so ever. I was merely showing you all, the response from someone who is gay. Which obviously doesn't count or matter one little bit.

Because obviously the point that people are showing their own true colors in threads like this. Just shows that our society still has a lot of work to do. And I am referring to the fact that the people that like and thank those posts that are basically undermining the purpose of what I was trying to say, obviously have some views of their own that they obviously are not fully going to say because well then we know why don't we. But pressing a like or thanks button to those posts that are bordering on the hateful side shows that without them even posting.

I had no agenda what so ever. I am in my right to express myself when I saw some people make 2 threads about this issue. And then other members jump in and show their own true colors as well. So enough said.

@geordiecolin - thanks but I can not stay and use a forum when I feel that I am getting attacked and suppressed for expressing some unjust's in today's society.

And also I know that CM do tackle certain things already and yes they closed the other 2 threads, which was great. But those members are still able to post. What message does that send out?

This part bothers me. A person clicks like or thanks risks getting judged just for the click they choose or not.

I only point this out because I literally got slammed by a member here, pm's here and other places, just for thanking comments that I thought brought value to the conversation. It was borderline stalking!

 
This part bothers me. A person clicks like or thanks risks getting judged just for the click they choose or not.

I only point this out because I literally got slammed by a member here, pm's here and other places, just for thanking comments that I thought brought value to the conversation. It was borderline stalking!


Sometimes I wish they would let us like our own posts :D

id probably like most of mine
 
DreamRJ, I for one would be sorry to see you go.

I think even those that do not support your views have been respectful here in this thread.

I'm having problems with my vision these days, so it took me a bit to read it all and be able to respond.

If slurs against sexual orientation/gender are not already part of the forum rules, I agree they should be.

But I don't agree one strike and you are out necessarily.

I'm more in the "every dog deserves a bite" camp, but I'm also fond of saying "I'm no baseball game, two strikes and you are out." and "my house, my rules". I routinely shut down conversations at my kitchen table that get two animated, and there are definitely words that you are not permitted to say in my house.

This is Bryan's house, and we are all his guests. It's not a right, but a privilege to be here. As guests we should not need to be told to treat the other guests with respect.

I've been here coming up on a decade, and there was not always a Political Rants section, there certainly is not one at my kitchen table, and just because I don't want it in my house, doesn't mean I don't believe in freedom of speech.

There's a report post button if you feel a member is out of line, and the mods will choose how to deal with it.

I might be someone that liked a post that was not in total agreement with the OP, I've also thanked some of his.

But is DOA is a "bugger" (derogatory towards a specific homosexual act", or my balance went "tits up" (objectifying women" something I want to pick a fight over? And I strongly suspect if I reported every post that used a turn of phrase that is perhaps not politically correct that I might find myself with a PITA infraction.

A slight derail to this thread, but I am in favour of gay marriage, if using the word "gay" is still acceptable. I haven't seen Canadian society crumble because of it.
 
Was not going to post in this thread but decided i would.

I can understand why the OP started the thread.

Has been discussed lately that some threads could offend some people and that sometimes comments get took far.

But also its got to the stage where anything said these days will offend someone.

Golliwogs got banned as they are offensive. Words of songs got changed because they are offensive to others. Using the word Christmas is banned in some places as it is offensive to some.

I am Scottish and people stereotype Scots so some would find it offensive.

People make jokes about weight and bald people. That upsets and offends some people.

Even Dunovers saying while playing Rhino calling it an Orange Bastard i could find offensive as others could as its something i have been called many a time in real life for certain reasons.

Point i am making now is unless someone is deliberately setting out to cause offence and upset regularly then unfortunately not much can be done as things posted will at times offend someone. That happens when you have such a diverse community. Obviously i do not condone any sort of racism or bigotry but the world is going way to PC.
 
Point i am making now is unless someone is deliberately setting out to cause offence and upset regularly then unfortunately not much can be done as things posted will at times offend someone. That happens when you have such a diverse community. Obviously i do not condone any sort of racism or bigotry but the world is going way to PC.

Again, No one here is trying to stop people from having a laugh. The thread in question was quite disturbing and the amount of people jumping in to take a quite derogatory hit at gay people was quite chilling. I want people to make jokes because it makes gay people the same as everyone else. Being too scared to offend is counter-intuitive and unfortunately there are quite loud voices out there who want that. I just don't want people questioning my right to exist on a forum that supposedly welcomes everybody.
 
Again, No one here is trying to stop people from having a laugh. The thread in question was quite disturbing and the amount of people jumping in to take a quite derogatory hit at gay people was quite chilling. I want people to make jokes because it makes gay people the same as everyone else. Being too scared to offend is counter-intuitive and unfortunately there are quite loud voices out there who want that. I just don't want people questioning my right to exist on a forum that supposedly welcomes everybody.

Exactly the thread was wrong. It then got closed and OP banned and rightly so.

But like i said extremely offensive behaviour has to get dealt with.. But there are always going to be comments that will offend one member or another.

As i said there are many members on this forum that may be of different race, religion ,sexuality.

Simple comments will offend someone. But to now have posts saying that Gay people are getting made to feel like they are not welcome on this forum is a bit strong.

I would never have known what members on this forum were Gay and would have had no interest as they are just members same as everyone else. You posted that you want Gay people to be treated same as every one else but these posts are actually having the opposite effect.

Its coming across that because people are Gay then comments are more offensive to them than comments are about Muslims , race and peoples origins to them.
 
I haven't seen the thread RJDreams refers to, but it must have been offensive or he would not have started this thread.

People may have different views but as a Dutchie I live in a country that was the first in adopting legislation for same sex marriage. It is (together with Scandinavia) light years ahead of most other countries. As such, and also because I move in very diverse and tolerant circles, this is a non-issue to me - meaning that it is obvious that gay people should never be the subject of nasty but jokingly made comments or slurs. Not here. Not anywhere.
 
I haven't seen the thread RJDreams refers to, but it must have been offensive or he would not have started this thread.

People may have different views but as a Dutchie I live in a country that was the first in adopting legislation for same sex marriage. It is (together with Scandinavia) light years ahead of most other countries. As such, and also because I move in very diverse and tolerant circles, this is a non-issue to me - meaning that it is obvious that gay people should never be the subject of nasty but jokingly made comments or slurs. Not here. Not anywhere.

Are you light years ahead on humility?
 
Are you light years ahead on humility?


There is no shame in laggging a bit behind. Most of us here are justifiably impressed with the sound of our own voices. It's just that some are considerate enough to offer enlightened information as a bonus



IMO:Both are equally as impressive as the other.

This is why I am often torn with regard to discussions like this.
I enjoyed the humor from your post very much, but the thought that it may have hurt Mouche's feelings dampens my initial outburst of laughter.

*Sigh...
 
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I just thought I would add this.

I find the fact that people are now joking in this thread to be very distasteful to say the least.
 
I just thought I would add this.

I find the fact that people are now joking in this thread to be very distasteful to say the least.

I think you should ask for this thread to be closed.

Unless people are saying exactly what you think they should in the way you think it should be said you are just going to get more upset and more angry.

I'm very sorry you've felt the need to react and respond in the way that you have _ i personally think you have damaged your own cause but I doubt you will like that opinion but there it is anyway.

Why not ask Max to close it down - least said soonest mended.

I wish you well .
 
I just thought I would add this.

I find the fact that people are now joking in this thread to be very distasteful to say the least.

Hi dreamrj

I was hesitant to click like on anyone's post here cuz I thought I would be judged. And I was right. I decided to post that slotplayer was funny instead of clicking just the like button on his post. And here we are. You are now telling me that you find all of this distasteful.

Humor is truth. It's what gets us through difficult times and uncomfortable times.

I get you. But you lost me as a fan. Sorry.

I'm also sorry you or anyone else got offended.
Last post on this thread.
Good luck.
 
Just my 2 cents here.

Some people are saying it is not acceptable that the Casinomeister dictate what to say.

But as far as I know, Casinomeister already have a rule about what can be said and what can not be. A few thread about Terrorism, I believe a couple of people crossed the line when they talked about Muslim, and as far as I know their accountant was suspended for a week or so because they said something they are not allowed to say here.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want to say. You are allowed to say your political view, but you have to make sure that it is respectful to everybody.

I'm a straight woman, and I'm not that interested in same sex marriage issues, I have clicked that thread last night just simply because it was the top of the list of new posts. And I had to leave some comments on that thread because I found that the post was very offensive towards gay people.

Obviously DreamRJ was upset by reading that thread which is totally understandable, and he wished the casinomeister take some action and I don't see anything wrong with it, whether the casinomiester take any action or not, it's totally up to him.

Sometimes I think people needs to be in other people's shoes before making any comments regarding the issue, what would you feel like if someone told you that you destroyed the society by marrying the love of your life?

Thanks for this.

My thoughts entirely! xx

Edit: Although I do feel sorry for their accountants, it's hardly their fault! ;) :p
 
Ha Ha:D, I first wanted to include in my post "and this may seem a bit arrogant", but then I thought I AM proud of it, so why tone down? No feelings hurt, but the joke is telling of your attitude. You circumvent the real issue here - which is a NON-issue to me - but focus on me saying that the Netherlands is light years ahead (which is of course not disputed by anyone).
 
I personally hope this forum never loses its at times wicked sense of humour. The clever ripostes, play on words, occasionally ribald comments and just plain funny posts are for me often a welcome light relief from some of the rather heavy-going, over-sensitive and acrimonious threads of late.

IMO the regular posters here generally stay within acceptable forum limits, and I would hate to see that replaced with anodyne and neutral commentary.
 
Since we're sharing...

For the record: I'm PISSED about the Rainbow!
I'm not trying to be funny. I'm totally serious.
I HAVE A GRANDDAUGHTER who will never know it's beauty because
it is now symbolically branded with sexual connotations.
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I have more to say, but I am afraid I'll make someone laugh.
 
I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings or made light of the OP's concerns.

The only thing I can say is gay people are pretty common these days, so if anyone can't accept them by now they never will. So F' em.

Let me remind everyone how much America/Trump bashing and ridicule from how many different countries there has been.
 
I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings or made light of the OP's concerns.

The only thing I can say is gay people are pretty common these days, so if anyone can't accept them by now they never will. So F' em.

Let me remind everyone how much America/Trump bashing and ridicule from how many different countries there has been.

Imagine the level of Trump bashing if he would have been gay:D:eek:
 
Ive been wanting to say this since I saw you admit you are gay but didnt know how to go about it. But since you have admitted it, there shouldnt be a problem.

Not too long ago you used to be a twitch streamer. One that I enjoyed watching and listening too as I found your voice pretty soothing. You had a person trolling you who was clearly a gay basher. They created numerous accounts every time you streamed that was bashful. You stated quite a few times on stream and even joked about "im not even gay. I have nothing wrong with gays and if I was gay, I would admit it.This is just the way I talk". So your OP surprised me quite abit

Now you are here getting upset at people, yet not long ago you didnt even want to defend it yourself. Which tells me, you understood that the world isnt completely accepting of it which would prepare you for some unpleasant comments.

You handled the streaming trolls pretty well, you didnt freak out, you tried to ignore it and move on but in the end it became too much and you quit. So why are you letting something not even close to half as bad, get you so rowled up. You need to have the confidence in who you are and not get offended by everything because you are going to have a very hard time getting through life. Getting offended because members here are cracking a few jokes, likes and dislikes etc is only causing you unneeded stress.

I remember when I first saw your post, I recognized your name right away. And I welcomed you to the forum and suggested you stick around and join the community. Which you did and seems like you do enjoy it in general and I still think you would if you dont let things get to you so much. Go look at the political threads. There is probably tonnes of stuff that some people may find offensive but when it comes down to it, its all matter of beliefs and opinions, people shake their head argue it out and move on. Even when CNN is clearly a bias newsnetwork (had to :))

Since you have clearly changed your outlook on admitting who you are and now defending it, I hope to see you around twitch again and standing up for what you believe in.
 
Ive been wanting to say this since I saw you admit you are gay but didnt know how to go about it. But since you have admitted it, there shouldnt be a problem.

Not too long ago you used to be a twitch streamer. One that I enjoyed watching and listening too as I found your voice pretty soothing. You had a person trolling you who was clearly a gay basher. They created numerous accounts every time you streamed that was bashful. You stated quite a few times on stream and even joked about "im not even gay. I have nothing wrong with gays and if I was gay, I would admit it.This is just the way I talk". So your OP surprised me quite abit

Now you are here getting upset at people, yet not long ago you didnt even want to defend it yourself. Which tells me, you understood that the world isnt completely accepting of it which would prepare you for some unpleasant comments.

You handled the streaming trolls pretty well, you didnt freak out, you tried to ignore it and move on but in the end it became too much and you quit. So why are you letting something not even close to half as bad, get you so rowled up. You need to have the confidence in who you are and not get offended by everything because you are going to have a very hard time getting through life. Getting offended because members here are cracking a few jokes, likes and dislikes etc is only causing you unneeded stress.

I remember when I first saw your post, I recognized your name right away. And I welcomed you to the forum and suggested you stick around and join the community. Which you did and seems like you do enjoy it in general and I still think you would if you dont let things get to you so much. Go look at the political threads. There is probably tonnes of stuff that some people may find offensive but when it comes down to it, its all matter of beliefs and opinions, people shake their head argue it out and move on. Even when CNN is clearly a bias newsnetwork (had to :))

Since you have clearly changed your outlook on admitting who you are and now defending it, I hope to see you around twitch again and standing up for what you believe in.

Thanks and I have never hidden it. I just never wanted to say it when I used to twitch stream was all. Because yes you touched on a key reason as to why in your post.

But I wont be streaming again on twitch. Sorry to disappoint and I know that you and a lot of others loved my streams as well. And I really did appreciate that as well. It was nice :)

And I will also say this. If you would have asked me in a private message I would not have not said I wasn't. But you never asked in private. When it comes to publicly announcing things that I deem to be my own business then I have a right to make that choice. Now I know for a fact that there is a few members on here that also used to watch my streams on twitch, that did have strong objections to gay people. That is in no way the reason why I chose to deny it when I was asked on streams. But this is not about me. And now your post has made it personal. And this whole thread was not about myself. It was about letting my feelings known about something that upset me and to bring some light to this subject openly and I had to say I was gay to get my point across. I could not have made a post like I did if I didn't say I was could I?

ADDED: And too add a bit more. I came out when i was about 17, So i am not in the closet at all. Everyone who has known me knew including all my family and friends over the years. I only hidden it on certain aspects like twitch etc etc.

So again, thanks for the kind words. A lot of thought obviously went through your mind and you had to get it off your chest. And that is totally fine. I would have much preferred it if you said what you said in a private message. But it has been said now.

Peace out :)
 
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look.. ive been recently been banned for sharing my thoughts probably innapropiately or by bad wording. now i have a day of after my coleague left and for 2 weeks i work 14 hrour a day and i drink too much celebrating this free day. what i want to say and never shared online is that i have a 7 yearold son and is emotive, he is not gay he is liking girls he is normal the way we raised him in traditional family taking from religion only the morality and the rest from our own best and limited life experiencea. he is emotive, the shit that is comening from america in english books is outrageous, we meet rogether with other parents in a conference at school disscusing what they learn, im separated his mother is raising him but i have my touch upon him. i n the english class book he is not only learning english words that will help him in the following years, there is a game of a boy and girl sharing toys, learning the words puppet, train, the toys they share, but the girl dont want to share in the next oage a boy is sharing with the other boy what the girl didnt want and even more toys then they hug and kiss on the cheek what the fuck is the reason the kids dont do that, only at birthday, they learn to thank each other. the autthors used highly sexualized images, not many pages after that a boy is trying dressing girls clothes having a look in the mirror telling the girl she is lucky being a girl that the clothes are beaufiul(while is dressed with them). the book throughout is insinuating that is okay and purely normal to be gay or name the letter of lgbtxyz, is enouraging them to become cucks empty of any masculinity. at this age the fragile mind what can make out of that, even more at a emotive boy like my own that wants to lieks and wants to hug girls but is shy i teach him manners dont do without approvals what is next with this american book he will hug boys? in the book boys dont play football like we play since forever and real games of childhood off this putrid internet, instead they are being learned to play card games, like monopoly that keeps you sit. i know in the west when a kid is active is a sign of adhd and immediately needs treatment tht will make him lettuce forever, here he is only a heatly kid living high his childhood. i remember when this gay current started here mostly over 2005 and in 2007 we adhered to EU, i live in a homophobic neiborhood, city, country you name it, i have learned to think by myself and dont follow the masses, when they people were at the point of breaking the legs of those parading their rights i was worried, i always believed that what they do in their bedroom is their business, and i have a non invasive and correct for a kid explanation to give to my own when and if he sees to mens keeping hands on the street, but at the tv, on the internet, in school books this be-gay is out of control. to be honest im not really informed about the subject, those that are pretent to be born this way, i dont deny this, many lived in the hiding before revealing themselvs, you are so many that to at least a few this ;born this way; statistically can apply. but then there is the propaganda that will turn a shy born, that may be rejected by just a friendship with a girl to turn on boys. i have read about this. this english book is in the course to be discontinued and replaced for those reasons, they are harly trying to turn straight boys to gays by giving examples of how awesome is to be gay. i cannot permit this to happen at 7 years. or 12. he is too young at this age scale to even think about this adult bullshit. i want his childhood alike of mine, minus the poorness, and to be the next educated modern men. this propaganda that prepares the new wave of your own will not work here, keep it in the west. throught the country parents are outraged. one thing is to be tolerant, another is to turn them around to suit your agenda. no offence to indiividuals like you, you cannot fault me in any way, is your choice to live as you wish with how many partners ypu like even poligamy dont bothers me a bit, as long you by any means are trying to induce to any kid that is completely normal. it is normal for you, i may be suupportive of you or just accept you what you are. when you want to spread yourself to little ones that are inexperienced and cannot absorb this stuff then be prepared for counterattack, like this book will be removed from this school. excuse for any inconsistency i am very tired and bit drunk to make a clearpoint of view but all i want is to give the best raise to my boy shielding him from this adult problems that have the whole time to think about and make his own mind and decisions muchhhhh later
 
look.. ive been recently been banned for sharing my thoughts probably innapropiately or by bad wording. now i have a day of after my coleague left and for 2 weeks i work 14 hrour a day and i drink too much celebrating this free day. what i want to say and never shared online is that i have a 7 yearold son and is emotive, he is not gay he is liking girls he is normal the way we raised him in traditional family taking from religion only the morality and the rest from our own best and limited life experiencea. he is emotive, the shit that is comening from america in english books is outrageous, we meet rogether with other parents in a conference at school disscusing what they learn, im separated his mother is raising him but i have my touch upon him. i n the english class book he is not only learning english words that will help him in the following years, there is a game of a boy and girl sharing toys, learning the words puppet, train, the toys they share, but the girl dont want to share in the next oage a boy is sharing with the other boy what the girl didnt want and even more toys then they hug and kiss on the cheek what the fuck is the reason the kids dont do that, only at birthday, they learn to thank each other. the autthors used highly sexualized images, not many pages after that a boy is trying dressing girls clothes having a look in the mirror telling the girl she is lucky being a girl that the clothes are beaufiul(while is dressed with them). the book throughout is insinuating that is okay and purely normal to be gay or name the letter of lgbtxyz, is enouraging them to become cucks empty of any masculinity. at this age the fragile mind what can make out of that, even more at a emotive boy like my own that wants to lieks and wants to hug girls but is shy i teach him manners dont do without approvals what is next with this american book he will hug boys? in the book boys dont play football like we play since forever and real games of childhood off this putrid internet, instead they are being learned to play card games, like monopoly that keeps you sit. i know in the west when a kid is active is a sign of adhd and immediately needs treatment tht will make him lettuce forever, here he is only a heatly kid living high his childhood. i remember when this gay current started here mostly over 2005 and in 2007 we adhered to EU, i live in a homophobic neiborhood, city, country you name it, i have learned to think by myself and dont follow the masses, when they people were at the point of breaking the legs of those parading their rights i was worried, i always believed that what they do in their bedroom is their business, and i have a non invasive and correct for a kid explanation to give to my own when and if he sees to mens keeping hands on the street, but at the tv, on the internet, in school books this be-gay is out of control. to be honest im not really informed about the subject, those that are pretent to be born this way, i dont deny this, many lived in the hiding before revealing themselvs, you are so many that to at least a few this ;born this way; statistically can apply. but then there is the propaganda that will turn a shy born, that may be rejected by just a friendship with a girl to turn on boys. i have read about this. this english book is in the course to be discontinued and replaced for those reasons, they are harly trying to turn straight boys to gays by giving examples of how awesome is to be gay. i cannot permit this to happen at 7 years. or 12. he is too young at this age scale to even think about this adult bullshit. i want his childhood alike of mine, minus the poorness, and to be the next educated modern men. this propaganda that prepares the new wave of your own will not work here, keep it in the west. throught the country parents are outraged. one thing is to be tolerant, another is to turn them around to suit your agenda. no offence to indiividuals like you, you cannot fault me in any way, is your choice to live as you wish with how many partners ypu like even poligamy dont bothers me a bit, as long you by any means are trying to induce to any kid that is completely normal. it is normal for you, i may be suupportive of you or just accept you what you are. when you want to spread yourself to little ones that are inexperienced and cannot absorb this stuff then be prepared for counterattack, like this book will be removed from this school. excuse for any inconsistency i am very tired and bit drunk to make a clearpoint of view but all i want is to give the best raise to my boy shielding him from this adult problems that have the whole time to think about and make his own mind and decisions muchhhhh later

Paragraphs are a readers best friend.

But I dont know where you got that book from but I assure you the schools here do not teach our children this at that age and if they did, there would be outrage I am sure. Also, no they dont label a kid who is active as adhd, they do this when there is cause and they are diagnosed by some of the most respected doctors in the world. My nephew is crazy. But he is just being a kid. Never have any of us thought including doctors something is wrong. its only when a child paces up and down hallways and not resting or banging their heads off walls or cannot focus on school tasks etc in the sense that it is very irregular in comparison to other kids that they will be brought to a doctor out of concern.

I suggest you quit attending these conferences as its completely false which in turn is a huge waste of your time.
 
look.. ive been recently been banned for sharing my thoughts probably innapropiately or by bad wording. now i have a day of after my coleague left and for 2 weeks i work 14 hrour a day and i drink too much celebrating this free day. what i want to say and never shared online is that i have a 7 yearold son and is emotive, he is not gay he is liking girls he is normal the way we raised him in traditional family taking from religion only the morality and the rest from our own best and limited life experiencea. he is emotive, the shit that is comening from america in english books is outrageous, we meet rogether with other parents in a conference at school disscusing what they learn, im separated his mother is raising him but i have my touch upon him. i n the english class book he is not only learning english words that will help him in the following years, there is a game of a boy and girl sharing toys, learning the words puppet, train, the toys they share, but the girl dont want to share in the next oage a boy is sharing with the other boy what the girl didnt want and even more toys then they hug and kiss on the cheek what the fuck is the reason the kids dont do that, only at birthday, they learn to thank each other. the autthors used highly sexualized images, not many pages after that a boy is trying dressing girls clothes having a look in the mirror telling the girl she is lucky being a girl that the clothes are beaufiul(while is dressed with them). the book throughout is insinuating that is okay and purely normal to be gay or name the letter of lgbtxyz, is enouraging them to become cucks empty of any masculinity. at this age the fragile mind what can make out of that, even more at a emotive boy like my own that wants to lieks and wants to hug girls but is shy i teach him manners dont do without approvals what is next with this american book he will hug boys? in the book boys dont play football like we play since forever and real games of childhood off this putrid internet, instead they are being learned to play card games, like monopoly that keeps you sit. i know in the west when a kid is active is a sign of adhd and immediately needs treatment tht will make him lettuce forever, here he is only a heatly kid living high his childhood. i remember when this gay current started here mostly over 2005 and in 2007 we adhered to EU, i live in a homophobic neiborhood, city, country you name it, i have learned to think by myself and dont follow the masses, when they people were at the point of breaking the legs of those parading their rights i was worried, i always believed that what they do in their bedroom is their business, and i have a non invasive and correct for a kid explanation to give to my own when and if he sees to mens keeping hands on the street, but at the tv, on the internet, in school books this be-gay is out of control. to be honest im not really informed about the subject, those that are pretent to be born this way, i dont deny this, many lived in the hiding before revealing themselvs, you are so many that to at least a few this ;born this way; statistically can apply. but then there is the propaganda that will turn a shy born, that may be rejected by just a friendship with a girl to turn on boys. i have read about this. this english book is in the course to be discontinued and replaced for those reasons, they are harly trying to turn straight boys to gays by giving examples of how awesome is to be gay. i cannot permit this to happen at 7 years. or 12. he is too young at this age scale to even think about this adult bullshit. i want his childhood alike of mine, minus the poorness, and to be the next educated modern men. this propaganda that prepares the new wave of your own will not work here, keep it in the west. throught the country parents are outraged. one thing is to be tolerant, another is to turn them around to suit your agenda. no offence to indiividuals like you, you cannot fault me in any way, is your choice to live as you wish with how many partners ypu like even poligamy dont bothers me a bit, as long you by any means are trying to induce to any kid that is completely normal. it is normal for you, i may be suupportive of you or just accept you what you are. when you want to spread yourself to little ones that are inexperienced and cannot absorb this stuff then be prepared for counterattack, like this book will be removed from this school. excuse for any inconsistency i am very tired and bit drunk to make a clearpoint of view but all i want is to give the best raise to my boy shielding him from this adult problems that have the whole time to think about and make his own mind and decisions muchhhhh later

Let me give you a example and a different perspective: So for example there is a gay couple who got married and they wanted to have children. That couple will have exactly the same outlook they want for their children like straight couples do for their children. We don't raise them any differently. I personally do not have children. But I know if I did I would raise them the same way as anyone else would raise them.

I can understand that there is references in books now. But those was not intended to turn children into becoming gay either, far from it. You are completely underestimating the reasons as to why those books exist now in the first place. It is about education. It is to make children and adults alike become more educated into the new era of fair and equal rights for all. And those types of books are merely only trying to send a message out to people that it is now law and it is no longer taboo. And you really need to understand we are all human beings and we all have a right to life and to live a life like a straight couple would live. And a lot of countries are still playing catch up and some countries well yes I agree are very backwards. Like Russia and Africa, but majority of countries now accept that gay life is a thing that will not be changed and never should be EVER. it is here and it will never ever go away until the end of the world happens.

ADDED: Another point - When historic events happen, books need to be re written new additions etc etc. Same for the internet. New books get written and created with updated information and stories to reflect the ever changing world we all live in. And that also includes books for kids. But I suspect that the books are very clever in how they are worded anyway when it comes to kids books. Because obviously there would be people like yourself that might have misunderstood the books purpose entirely and taken it all out of proportions.

An example I could also give you but I do not want to even say it because I do not want to use a comparison because anything that goes against anyone's human rights is against the law in many countries now. just over a century ago there wasn't much policies for human rights if at all none. And as I said some countries are more backwards than others.

But anyway I just thought I would reply to your abrupt post in the nicest way I could to try and somehow inform you, that your idea of what you thought the books was about was wrong.
 
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dreamrj i know you fro lcb forum, you are a good guy. if you see any atack toward you in my thread then aplologies, i have read tonight the other thread and have wanted to write off my insight but it was locked and only after then see this one. the other guy have had a very conservative view. towards elitism of the conservative. marriage mean nothing to me because im not religious, just by nt being into religions control crap it is already a blasphemy for those surrounding me, i know where you come fro with your example. but yu dont really understand my concern here. you can be born that way, but you can also be turned that way by just a text, image, fractioon of story if you are vry young not capable to discenr, im selecting what animations hes watching, the bullshit disney is producing is infested with sexuality overall not necessarily gay, are we preparing them for pedofilez or what. education about accepting those surroing you, that hey are different of colour, religion or sex it is obvoiusly that must happen at some point during life, at 7 sexuality is completely out of order, gay is tied with sexuality, liking your own genre, im very much viktor orban nigel farage ultras so you know where i come from, but my son will live in another world than i was raised and i cant adapt to this arguably worse world they prepare, he must accept the gypsies and some categories of humans i despise having next to me giving my life experiences with sorts. i just cannot comprise the sexualization of the young. we can reproduce ourserlvses since 13-14 years old since the world was few in population, at least if the plan is to sexualize them to try sex early hat will end with unwanted pregnancy as we are not nearly enough on the globe are we at least teach they to be straight. the point is that anything about related to sex at this age is own-genre related, that book nowhere induced the conformity of being straight, is clerverly made, like you can love boys too, see the game above. it is not time to discover his body nor his fucking friends body now or ever, here is the problem, the playground is replaced with what, i burn inside when i see. i cant select the damn letters have a good night and remember that no one in his right mind day and age, educated a little bit will not have anything against yor choice as long you know your limits of exposure: off our kids, adoption is another matter have a well nite
 
dreamrj i know you fro lcb forum, you are a good guy. if you see any atack toward you in my thread then aplologies, i have read tonight the other thread and have wanted to write off my insight but it was locked and only after then see this one. the other guy have had a very conservative view. towards elitism of the conservative. marriage mean nothing to me because im not religious, just by nt being into religions control crap it is already a blasphemy for those surrounding me, i know where you come fro with your example. but yu dont really understand my concern here. you can be born that way, but you can also be turned that way by just a text, image, fractioon of story if you are vry young not capable to discenr, im selecting what animations hes watching, the bullshit disney is producing is infested with sexuality overall not necessarily gay, are we preparing them for pedofilez or what. education about accepting those surroing you, that hey are different of colour, religion or sex it is obvoiusly that must happen at some point during life, at 7 sexuality is completely out of order, gay is tied with sexuality, liking your own genre, im very much viktor orban nigel farage ultras so you know where i come from, but my son will live in another world than i was raised and i cant adapt to this arguably worse world they prepare, he must accept the gypsies and some categories of humans i despise having next to me giving my life experiences with sorts. i just cannot comprise the sexualization of the young. we can reproduce ourserlvses since 13-14 years old since the world was few in population, at least if the plan is to sexualize them to try sex early hat will end with unwanted pregnancy as we are not nearly enough on the globe are we at least teach they to be straight. the point is that anything about related to sex at this age is own-genre related, that book nowhere induced the conformity of being straight, is clerverly made, like you can love boys too, see the game above. it is not time to discover his body nor his fucking friends body now or ever, here is the problem, the playground is replaced with what, i burn inside when i see. i cant select the damn letters have a good night and remember that no one in his right mind day and age, educated a little bit will not have anything against yor choice as long you know your limits of exposure: off our kids, adoption is another matter have a well nite

I am sorry, but I can not comment any further than what I have. I know you say your talking about your children. But it is also their own choice to make. You can not force choices onto them. That is bad parenting. But you can control what your kids see and read. And that is totally acceptable and right. But school is a different ball game. If you are really concerned then you really should take it up with the school. And see if there is anyway you can ask them so that your child isn't told or made to read those types of books?

And on that note, I will report this thread to mods to be closed.

I said what was needed to be said and so have others. I hopefully wont need to re go down this route later down the road.

And too add - If you want to discuss more in private feel free to pm me.

Thanks all :)
 
I haven't read all the posts in this thread (I just can't read long posts or huge blocks of text)... but for me, it doesn't matter if you're gay or straight, black or white, or whatever... if you're nice, you're nice - if you're an ass - you're an ass. End of.
DreamRJ is obviously nice, so no problem here! :thumbsup:

KK
 
I haven't read all the posts in this thread (I just can't read long posts or huge blocks of text)... but for me, it doesn't matter if you're gay or straight, black or white, or whatever... if you're nice, you're nice - if you're an ass - you're an ass. End of.
DreamRJ is obviously nice, so no problem here! :thumbsup:

KK

Thanks for the nice analogy lol :D
 
And on that note, I will report this thread to mods to be closed.

I'm afraid that's not your call. Others have participated here and that makes it their thread too.

We will close threads when the topic is inappropriate or the discussion turns into an abusive shitstorm. I don't see that this thread qualifies on either count so ... thread remains open. Apologies for any inconvenience caused.
 
I'm afraid that's not your call. Others have participated here and that makes it their thread too.

We will close threads when the topic is inappropriate or the discussion turns into an abusive shitstorm. I don't see that this thread qualifies on either count so ... thread remains open. Apologies for any inconvenience caused.

Well, since it's my thread too, I'm in favour of closing it as the OP suggested.

I think most of us that participated have made the points we wanted to make.
 
Well, since it's my thread too, I'm in favour of closing it as the OP suggested.

I think most of us that participated have made the points we wanted to make.



I agree Jas. The horse is dead. I believe there were valid points made and It seems to have helped the OP. Good or bad we as people will never see completely eye to eye on topics. It may be surprising but i have learned lot from this thread. Good to be part of any community with open minded people.
 
"The stiff is closed, the case is closed." :)

So be it.

If anyone feels a desperate need to add something let me know.
 
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