My online slots videos (plus UK AWPs)

A single old Maygay fruit machine for this video, that has finally received an updated layout to play after over 20 (!) years.

It also has the most ridiculously simple trick to get the streak pot out of it that you've ever seen.

 
Interesting but by no means surprising lol....

Regarding the travelling to profit, we travelled MILES and MILES on a daily basis (ok maybe took a rest on a Sunday now and then :p) with the knowledge we had (which in hindsight turns out was nothing in comparison)

Never came home without profit and I'd hazard a guess we were somewhat mid-way in the pyramid you describe.

We did sell knowledge on to mug punters, although never ripped them off, along with the odd refill key and information where to find desired machines etc.

This particular machine I actually never came across.
 
Not really much different than just a couple of credits to check for numbers on numerous JPMs.

If I recall correctly the football based machine by BWB (name escapes me) and maybe another clone could tell u the same thing by the colour of the streak icons in either attract or either by part credit or one credit. My memory is hazy but it definitely existed.

I don’t recall seeing many of these at all so clearly not that popular. Maybe in the olden days it was prominent in bingo halls.

Clearly the tell works but looking at how it played in ur video I can’t imagine it was that ‘valuable’ as the machine wasn’t that popular and the profit could be minimal that it might not even cover ur petrol money to the next one!!!

Interesting video tho👍
 
Championship Soccer

Could tell from attract if there were multi reds on show rather than blues.

TBH Jono I wouldn't put that in the same category as it wasn't directly linked to the compensator, and of course it wasn't even remotely subtle, large chunks of the top glass were red instead of blue in attract mode when it was doing it :D
 
Not really much different than just a couple of credits to check for numbers on numerous JPMs.

If I recall correctly the football based machine by BWB (name escapes me) and maybe another clone could tell u the same thing by the colour of the streak icons in either attract or either by part credit or one credit. My memory is hazy but it definitely existed.

I don’t recall seeing many of these at all so clearly not that popular. Maybe in the olden days it was prominent in bingo halls.

Clearly the tell works but looking at how it played in ur video I can’t imagine it was that ‘valuable’ as the machine wasn’t that popular and the profit could be minimal that it might not even cover ur petrol money to the next one!!!

Interesting video tho👍

Yes but as I say in the video, the point here is that players in the know would add these to the 'portfolio of machines' on their round, a nice easy tell and some nice easy profit if the flashing text was there.

This is especially true if my contention that there was endemic corruption in the industry when it comes to this stuff, is correct.

Jono also made the point about the BWB machines and their red/light symbols on the top glass, which I answered above. It was also well known knowledge, even I knew about it in my addict numpty days!
 
It’s well known knowledge if you know about it within circles that existed at that time.

Plenty of clues that you’ve never heard of or ever mentioned that were known by numerous.

Even today you can check certain games on certain terminals without even putting a single credit in and you’ll know if they are +EV without even the need to have a spin on. And that’s right now in 2025.

It’s obvious that certain clues were deliberate while others were more player’s outsmarting the coders.

This particular clue is basically letting the player know it’s ‘numbering’ as such from just putting 1 credit in rather than 3-5. The profit is minimal. Because even in ur video the game can take the piss before just rolling in somethimg to give the value to any Tom dick or Harry, before going back to death. Other JPM’s as such needed at least a slight understanding.

I get the point ur trying to make in the video but it’s neither surprising or really that much different to other value markers, that were common place at the time.
 
I'm willing to bet he quits that Facebook group within a week because you won't leave him alone...

In any case, there are certain online slots out there where you can tell whether you're going to win or lose when they first load up...

For example, load up any slot with 'Big Bass' in the title and wait for the splash screen. As soon as it appears, you just know you're going to lose.













































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I had loads of these in Rank Bingo back in the early 90s. Never knew about the "tell" and regularly got rinsed.

What sort of numbers of machines are we talking about, one or two, a line of them? And at multiple different bingo hall sites or just the one?

We've already got a deep dive going on over at DIF about this. The coding genius guy there is on it, deconstructing the ROMs, he's already found where the compensator values are stored and now he's trying to find where it's referenced in the code. From there we can start to establish if there is any common 'skeleton key' type code that can be found in other machines from JPM at the time.
 
It’s well known knowledge if you know about it within circles that existed at that time.

Plenty of clues that you’ve never heard of or ever mentioned that were known by numerous.

Even today you can check certain games on certain terminals without even putting a single credit in and you’ll know if they are +EV without even the need to have a spin on. And that’s right now in 2025.

It’s obvious that certain clues were deliberate while others were more player’s outsmarting the coders.

This particular clue is basically letting the player know it’s ‘numbering’ as such from just putting 1 credit in rather than 3-5. The profit is minimal. Because even in ur video the game can take the piss before just rolling in somethimg to give the value to any Tom dick or Harry, before going back to death. Other JPM’s as such needed at least a slight understanding.

I get the point ur trying to make in the video but it’s neither surprising or really that much different to other value markers, that were common place at the time.

I mean, I don't even think we're disagreeing about anything here? My contention, and at this point I think we have the receipts to back it up, is that the UK compensated fruit machine 'industry' was institutionally corrupt and incompetent.

That guy himself - (an ex fruit machine coder!) - literally says that BFM used illegal code in their DOND games, that it was reported to the regulator, and the regulator did nothing.

That's the story here, not the slight difference between the attract mode tell that BWB stuffed into their machines, and the guy in the video put into Union Jackpot :)

(These messages are being posted in a public group on Facebook BTW, so anyone can look at them, they're not private messages or in a private group or anything like that.)

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What sort of numbers of machines are we talking about, one or two, a line of them? And at multiple different bingo hall sites or just the one?

We've already got a deep dive going on over at DIF about this. The coding genius guy there is on it, deconstructing the ROMs, he's already found where the compensator values are stored and now he's trying to find where it's referenced in the code. From there we can start to establish if there is any common 'skeleton key' type code that can be found in other machines from JPM at the time.

Ranks (national chain) usually had a small row of 3 or 4 of them.
 
No ur right chops we are not really disagreeing here at all.

As I said it was obvious where stuff was put in on purpose and then debatable whether other stuff was maybe an oversight or an accident, or where smarter players just figured a way round things.

I’m just saying there was already plenty of evidence around that had already proved it rather what u seem to think is a eureka moment!!

Has this guy delved deeper into this bfm deal or no deal stuff??

I’ve often wondered if such things were put into online slots?? Obv not a value indicator as they’re random, but stuff put in where features could be triggered or high wins paid through maybe certain stake changes or various sequences that the player could do etc etc.
 
No ur right chops we are not really disagreeing here at all.

As I said it was obvious where stuff was put in on purpose and then debatable whether other stuff was maybe an oversight or an accident, or where smarter players just figured a way round things.

I’m just saying there was already plenty of evidence around that had already proved it rather what u seem to think is a eureka moment!!

Has this guy delved deeper into this bfm deal or no deal stuff??

I’ve often wondered if such things were put into online slots?? Obv not a value indicator as they’re random, but stuff put in where features could be triggered or high wins paid through maybe certain stake changes or various sequences that the player could do etc etc.

Same here.

I'd be VERY surprised if there was never anything put in past or present, just that very few get to find out about it.

Where there is money involved, there is 99% always greed and a degree of corruption. Skill is how well it is concealed.
 
After a day of work on it, our resident coding genius at DIF has found the suspect code. His verdict is that it is 100% intentional and could not have happened by accident.

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The clue is very much in the name for this one.

Also includes a MONTAGE at the end because montages are cool.


The 3-minute montage was more meaningful than the lengthy acknowledgement and evidence that some naughty code was inserted into the ROMs. And it had no commentary! :D

So how many of those kids ended up losing careers, rent money and futures/friends to those AWPs?
Yet still they can play 10p games in holiday locations to this day.

One day, will one of those awful retrospect TV programmes, narrated by Z-list nonentities, mention this in the same way we now express horror that kids under 13 were sent up chimneys in Victorian times?
 
The 3-minute montage was more meaningful than the lengthy acknowledgement and evidence that some naughty code was inserted into the ROMs. And it had no commentary! :D

So how many of those kids ended up losing careers, rent money and futures/friends to those AWPs?
Yet still they can play 10p games in holiday locations to this day.

One day, will one of those awful retrospect TV programmes, narrated by Z-list nonentities, mention this in the same way we now express horror that kids under 13 were sent up chimneys in Victorian times?

It's crazy really, the fact that 'junior gambling' was so completely normalised under the auspices of 'the fun of the seaside' or just another part of arcades at travelling funfairs, or all the other places that AWPs could be found back in the day, slightly boggles the mind when you look back at it.

I'm slightly unusual in that I got addicted relatively 'late' in life at 16 (although still basically a kid), but a far more common story is that the gambling hooks were inserted into future addicts when they were still children.
 
Instead of playing 10p slots which are now becoming much rarer they can now play ticket based ‘games’ which will return about 5-10%.

No wonder so many places are ditching fruit machines for those atrocities.

Parents are asked for a tenner which lasts about 5 mins max at a quid a pop and when the tickets are exchanged you might have enough for a bit of bubblegum or a sticker.

A bit of context about those olden days featured in that compilation at the end.

In those days most of the machines were just 2p a spin with £1/£1.5/£2 jackpots where a few quid could genuinely last a couple of hours.

Worse case was 10p play £4 jackpots. Which would give a damn site more entertainment than any of the dross situated around arcades today.

They don’t want you entertained, they want the parents hard earned money as quickly as possible. Absolutely the same as the current AWP market.

There are simply no fucks given.
 
More tells being inserted into attract modes to conveniently let people 'in the know' which machines to play, and which machines to avoid.

They made this one in such a fashion that it could be clocked from outside the pub as long as you had line of sight to the machine.

 
Licensed from real fruit machines, have far higher RTPs than you'd ever get on real fruit machines, sensible volatility and some decent prizes, and none of the fuckery and corruption that comes with compensation - what's not to like!

 
I dont play online anymore, except a very occasional £100 on 3Dice. Not sure if ive mentioned on this thread, as Chopley has been talking a lot about how bad the 500s are, but I mentioned 2-3 weeks ago on one of Dunovers threads that a 3rd adult gaming center opened in Derby city centre and its caused some competition with the other 2, handing out sms 5ers and 10er cash matches anywhere between 2-6 days a week. So ive been hoovering all these cash matches up and a few days ago i deposited around £300 into my ISA and yesterday I started again. Honestly im suprised they are still happily offering me cups of pepsi and asking to see the sms offer before asking me to sign for it and then feeding it into the machine. There is 1 woman that has gone quite cold with me, gives me 1 word answers and has raised an eyebrow a few days ago when I come in for the 9th morning in a row to ask nicely if I could claim an offer on my app. Theres also an additional benefit, its made me really genuinely not want to play the machines because there no point doing all this to just give it back! Not every day is a winner for example yesterday I had 2x £10 and 1x£5 and I finished a whole pound in profit after playing on the credits off. Walking into town early today as its saturday and cant be doing with it being busy! Ill update the journey if I get kicked out of any offers or refused etc, it will happen at some point haha. Sorry chops didnt mean to hijack your thread :D
 
Seems like today was THE day. Went in this morning to the new Murker slots venue (The most generous by a mile) and the member of staff pulled a face like id sworn at her elderly grandmother. I smiled and said 'Morning, can I redeem my app offer please?' She replied saying that the shop manager noticed that I come in multiple days in a row and because im coming in the shop so much to 'protect vulnerable customers' I'm no longer eligible for any promotions at Murker. She added at the end 'You're still allowed in the shop though'. I smiled again and said I understand its the shops decision, no dramas have a nice day kind of thing.
 
Seems like today was THE day. Went in this morning to the new Murker slots venue (The most generous by a mile) and the member of staff pulled a face like id sworn at her elderly grandmother. I smiled and said 'Morning, can I redeem my app offer please?' She replied saying that the shop manager noticed that I come in multiple days in a row and because im coming in the shop so much to 'protect vulnerable customers' I'm no longer eligible for any promotions at Murker. She added at the end 'You're still allowed in the shop though'. I smiled again and said I understand its the shops decision, no dramas have a nice day kind of thing.
I said that would happen when you first posted. These shops do no like winners.

The explanation they've given you is total bollocks aswell. Protect vulnerable customers 🤣
 
I'll give chopley his thread back now!

No problem :) Glad to hear you managed to get a few quid out of them at least :D

There is no reason for anywhere to have that many arcades in such a small space, when I was over in Manchester for all the shit with my Dad a couple of years ago, there were THREE arcades in Bury, which is one of the most deprived areas in the country and not a very big place.

And that's before you even get started on all the digital gambling cabinets in the pubs too.
 
Right so someone over at Desert Island Fruits has replied to the video thread there to remind me they PM-ed me four years ago about all these 'UK style' games and suggested I take a look at them :D

Anyway the good news is that the site is still very much live and active so you can go and have a look for yourselves.

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Even more excellently, there's a clearly visible fact sheet for every single game that contains a lot of key information that will help inform players when it comes to choosing games.

As best I can tell VS have pretty much the whole portfolio on their books so I'm going to be like a pig in shit as I love games like this.

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I also told you they have a lot you would like, many 500- 2000x max win games that pay quite often.

Six appeal can give some great gameplay when it’s in the mood, and you can start with up to 216 free spins etc fun way to trigger free spins.

The deluxe version is more out your risk appetite but comes with a 6666x max win.

Similar game is the cats one as that’s the same but no 1’s or 2’s on the triggers making lower spins to start less likely.

Will deffo look forward to you having some extended sessions on some realistic games with stats! Bring it on chops!
 
Wolverhampton.

4 x Quicksilver
1 x Playland
1x Slotz
2 x Cashcade
1 x Grotty privately owned shit hole
1 x Shipley's

Plenty of exploitable machines, HUGE collection of mug/addict punters, free this, that and the other, what's not to ADORE lol.

Trouble is this was during the 90's - Only 1 Admiral and 1 Shipley's left now which I've not set foot in either for years and years now.
 
I also told you they have a lot you would like, many 500- 2000x max win games that pay quite often.

Six appeal can give some great gameplay when it’s in the mood, and you can start with up to 216 free spins etc fun way to trigger free spins.

The deluxe version is more out your risk appetite but comes with a 6666x max win.

Similar game is the cats one as that’s the same but no 1’s or 2’s on the triggers making lower spins to start less likely.

Will deffo look forward to you having some extended sessions on some realistic games with stats! Bring it on chops!

Better late than never I suppose!

Extended sessions I'm not sure on though, since bonuses just don't seem to be a thing for me anymore at VS and haven't been for years, and I'm not sure I've got the appetite for another Who's The Bride style epic tussle.

Some of their games really do have quite modest top prizes though, which I'm very much a fan of.
 
Wolverhampton.

4 x Quicksilver
1 x Playland
1x Slotz
2 x Cashcade
1 x Grotty privately owned shit hole
1 x Shipley's

Plenty of exploitable machines, HUGE collection of mug/addict punters, free this, that and the other, what's not to ADORE lol.

Trouble is this was during the 90's - Only 1 Admiral and 1 Shipley's left now which I've not set foot in either for years and years now.

I'd imagine that the arcades back then would have had far more going on though, videogames, pinballs, maybe some sit down style games, perhaps a pool table or suchlike, as opposed to today where it's just wall to wall gamblers.

Also arcades tended to have more of a variety of fruit machines back in the day today, hi-techs, lo-techs, lower stake options and so on.
 
I'd imagine that the arcades back then would have had far more going on though, videogames, pinballs, maybe some sit down style games, perhaps a pool table or suchlike, as opposed to today where it's just wall to wall gamblers.

Also arcades tended to have more of a variety of fruit machines back in the day today, hi-techs, lo-techs, lower stake options and so on.

95% AWP's and one or two video games at 20p a pop as best I remember. Playland had Terminator 2 pinball machine which at the time was awesome and at £1 for 3 credits whilst waiting to shark somebody was great value.

Age old memories but mixture indeed was in most arcades Bar x on 10p / £4, later £4.80 and £8.00 (could turn these on/off for a good chance of a bars win 1st credit btw :p) MPU4, MPU5, Maygay Monopoly (& deluxe) JMP's all token programs. Scorpion BFM's

Thing is places were packed from doors to an hour before closing 6 days a week and served more as youth clubs than arcades back then, great circle of friends and a laugh, Things move on but it was all about the atmosphere and socialising for me back then. Feel like your having to stand to attention if you venture into Wolverhampton's arcades these days, horrible robotic atmosphere in them.
 
While there is no legal minimum % on fruit machines there was always a gentleman’s agreement type of thing in play by manufacturers of min 70% for AWP, 72% for club machines, and 65% for ferry.

Not sure that still stands now but did in the 70’s 80’s 90’s and 00’s and dare say still up to now. So unless they started going sub 70% I can’t see the UKGC doing anything and even then still maybe not as currently they still wouldn’t be breaking regs, which is bonkers.
 
Does what it says on the tin.


A very good video where waffleworth wasn't just waffle, full of salient points with much to absorb. :thumbsup:

Going backwards here in order of topics, the £300 loss you took that time actually perturbed me on your behalf. Done it myself many a time but not since turn of the century and I never forgot the hollow feeling in my gut afterwards. The sense of being totally ripped off for a few hours' distraction, escapism and the feelings of gullibility and stupidity that followed. The opportunity cost in time and cash best sums it up.

Then the guilt at what someone else could have done with that money, someone it could have made a serious difference to. And this is from someone who could afford it on nearly every occasion so I can only guess at the despair of those exercising the same poor judgement as me, but where it had possibly consequences for their larder, valued possessions, mortgage/rent or kids and not forgetting criminal acts arising from addiction.

The economics of these places is not that of say a company selling a viral app for £3 to thousands of people making a little money from many, but making much from the few. Volume isn't coming from the retailer, but the end user. You only need to look at the breakdowns psychologically and financially broken punters have and the fact that only a very small percentage are ever prosecuted or have charges pressed for smashing the machines up. The only exceptions are where staff feel threatened or are assaulted; damage alone is seldom followed up.

That fact alone says much. A broken screen and an engineer visit is a trivial cost when someone is in the process of transferring thousands of pounds worth of their wealth to a company at a cost to them of a few hours of work from minimum wage staff and a kwh of electric. Then their reluctance to see the local papers reporting on a court case where the defendant cites family breakdown, financial destitution and stress because every 50 yards he walks there's effectively a casino with carefully structured games where you rapidly reach a point of irrevocable loss each session due to the pernicious maths involved. He has become an addict, a victim and reached breaking point.

That contrasts though with the carefully contrived image of fun, winning, free coffee and snacks that these premises purvey - I mean, how can this high street emporium of lights and sounds do that to someone? These are places of joy right? Let's agree to the police giving him a caution and keep it out of the realm of the court reporters....

I've been over the crass stupidity of the UK allowing minors of 10+ to play AWPs altogether, before. Even the grabbers of soft toys are gambling machines with a 'firm grab' once enough money has been lost in them!

Finally in my vinylweatherman-esque post, these random 90-92% multi-game cabinets. I have some big doubts about these things. For me, the maths of a random game paying a maximum (rarely) of 250x bet has resulted in a toxic, pernicious game structure. I carefully chose the word 'pernicious' here because many moons ago @ChopleyIOM used it very appropriately when me and him plus a few others were noticing how quickly Netent slots got you to a point where balance recovery was near-impossible. This we established was likely due to the maths of a low-volatility slot with relatively low top wins and line pays. You would rack up the cost of that 4% house edge very quickly with a deleterious effect on your bankroll that would never be alleviated by a big win or sequence of medium-scale hits.

Well, watching those cabinet games' performance closely in his videos I believe 'Netent variance' has nothing on the way they play. These games seem to have found something hitherto I believed to be mathematically impossible: a way to somehow offer low line pays, strings of dead spins, poor features, a low maximum win yet somehow tied into short-term RTP deviation hitherto unseen outside the sphere of high-volatility games.

Choppers, if you never slip a note into one of these disgusting, scamming, diabolical pieces of sheer height ever again, you had a very good day when you made your mind up not to do so. 👍
 
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Ahh the Grove yt channel, I found it a while ago some great old documentary's on there! Some I might re watch thinking about it after being reminded about the channel. The regulation should include a minimum rtp on the 100s, seeing all the way down at 83% is nothing short of criminal. Sad thing is most folk wont look at the help screen either.

Weirdly even going back to my phase of heavy gambling I didn't really touch these things in the pux, or fruit machines before them. Worked in a factory for a few years and me and a guy I worked with would finish early on a Friday, be in spoons for 3PM and have an afternoon on the ale. Sometimes he would have maybe £10 or £20 and you could tell his mood changed after he lost!

Going back to when I first started going out drinking in the early 2000s there was always that guy with you who would spend half their salary on the fruity and sometimes id feel guilty watching him do it.
 
Finally in my vinylweatherman-esque post, these random 90-92% multi-game cabinets. I have some big doubts about these things. For me, the maths of a random game paying a maximum (rarely) of 250x bet has resulted in a toxic, pernicious game structure. I carefully chose the word 'pernicious' here because many moons ago @ChopleyIOM used it very appropriately when me and him plus a few others were noticing how quickly Netent slots got you to a point where balance recovery was near-impossible. This we established was likely due to the maths of a low-volatility slot with relatively low top wins and line pays. You would rack up the cost of that 4% house edge very quickly with a deleterious effect on your bankroll that would never be alleviated by a big win or sequence of medium-scale hits.

Well, watching those cabinet games' performance closely in his videos I believe 'Netent variance' has nothing on the way they play. These games seem to have found something hitherto I believed to be mathematically impossible: a way to somehow offer low line pays, strings of dead spins, poor features, a low maximum win yet somehow tied into short-term RTP deviation hitherto unseen outside the sphere of high-volatility games.

Yes I remember the advent of 'NetEnt variance', IIRC Elements was one of the first, a notably different profile from games like Beach and Wild Rockets, despite having a similar RTP.

As you say though, these modern cabs really are something else, the £500ers are 250x top prize but the ones in UK pubs are only 100x top prize at £1 spins, and yet they are still capable of scything through hundreds of pounds in a session.

One only needs to look in any Wetherspoons to see see how obvious it is that these things must make a fortune, it's almost worth them selling cheap beer just to get the addicts in to pump huge quantities of cash into the little mini-casinos they run.

In any sensible regulatory environment the Gambling Commission would be all over this shit, but what we actually have is a regulator and government that seems to be in cahoots with the industry to make sure that they can all extract as much cash as possible from Joe Public - whilst making all the right soothing noises about 'gambling should be fun' and all that shite.
 
Ahh the Grove yt channel, I found it a while ago some great old documentary's on there! Some I might re watch thinking about it after being reminded about the channel. The regulation should include a minimum rtp on the 100s, seeing all the way down at 83% is nothing short of criminal. Sad thing is most folk wont look at the help screen either.

I've watched a few of them now, the YT algorithm recommended one of the videos on the channel to me and they've got loads on there. (I do like both history and documentaries so it did a good job there.)

One thing that's struck me is how much better we used to be at this sort of thing, even regional ITV stations like Yorkshire Television producing serious and thought-provoking programmes about important societal issues, without sensationalism or demonisation.

I remember some of the 'moral crusades' of the 1980s and 1990s, headed up by the usual right-wing gutter press suspects, 'Look over there, poor people, it's their fault, blame them!' - as they pushed their moneyed snouts deeper into the trough.

They're still playing the same game now of course, except they've moved onto desperate people in small boats with all their lives in a couple of plastic bags. It's their fault everything's fucked, nothing to do with the increasing impoverishment of an entire nation for the benefit of the few right at the top.

Labour have been shocking, Starmer can get fucked. Fortunately Corbyn has risen again with YOUR PARTY and we've got The Greens as well.
 
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They're still playing the same game now of course, except they've moved onto desperate people in small boats with all their lives in a couple of plastic bags criminal economic migrants passing through safe Western Europe.. not "fleeing" anything.. to sponge off the British taxpayer. It's their fault...

Fixed that for you. Please stick to the YT slot waffling.
 
Fixed that for you. Please stick to the YT slot waffling.

I'm old enough to remember when Brexit was going to fix all this, Nigel 'Once In A Lifetime Opportunity' Farage told us so!

If you think Reform/Farage are going to fix any of this then crack on, but I also have a chocolate teapot to sell you.

I do keep politics out of my videos, there was a section in the video linked above that I decided to remove in the edit, as I didn't want to dilute the message and/or alienate any viewers. However Tory austerity has a lot to answer for with where a lot of the UK's councils are at now, and in this context why they are so ill-equipped to take on the arcade chains.

New Labour have a lot to answer for as well of course, since a lot of this gambling law relaxation happened on their watch, thanks to Tony 'War Mongering Liar' Blair and Peter 'Fucking Snake' Mandelson.

EDIT - Sorry I realised I'm being a bit unfair to Mandelson there, and left off the bit about him being friends with sex-trafficking convicted paedos and defending them.
 
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Right, make these the last politically nuanced posts or they will all get moved to the appropriate attic thread where we dump this stuff now.

The thread was doing fine adhering to its title concerning online slot videos and AWP's.

Let's not tarnish it!

Thank-you.:thumbsup:
 
Right, make these the last politically nuanced posts or they will all get moved to the appropriate attic thread where we dump this stuff now.

The thread was doing fine adhering to its title concerning online slot videos and AWP's.

Let's not tarnish it!

Thank-you.:thumbsup:

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Back on topic this video has performed very well by my humble standards, so it appears to have struck a bit of a chord or the algorithm likes it or something.

Over at Desert Island Fruits (I start a thread there for each video I upload) there are precisely zero people going out to bat for the industry on this one.

I quite liked this comment from one of the members there.

Can we stop calling it an industry? I think that's marketing to legitimise their activities. These are Google's definition of industry. I don't think it meets either -- it doesn't produce anything, its not 'hard work' -- and if it does qualify then surely we should consider other things like drug dealing and shop lifting industries.

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I suppose if it involves the manufacture of cabinets, personnel designing games/software, licensed premises and mass public consumpion then it does become entitled to be categorized as an industry.

Same as the tobacco industry.

Shoplifting and drug dealing are illegal, individual, criminal enterprises. With no rules, safeguards and regulations unlike the two examples above.

What all three have in common though is societal cost. Along with the alcohol industry.

So I guess it comes down to to regulation and oversight. With alcohol and tobacco consumption we have evolved numerous rules and safeguards over a long period of time regarding manufacture, marketing and retailing. To pretty good effect considering the reduction in consumption, but alongside advertising taxation has proved the most effective tool in managing consumption, very obviously in the case of tobacco.

So that logic is now being applied to the gambling industry without acknowledging the fact that in the case of alcohol and tobacco they are a physical products which can be tracked from manufacture right through to retail very effectively. And you can only consume so much money's worth in any given period.

Gambling is in comparison an invisible product where there are few or no limitations on monetary cost in any given time period. So an entity which makes management by taxation ineffective.

So we should come to the conclusion the issue lies, and is best managed, by means of better and more insightful regulation by those actually availed of the knowledge necessary to do this fairly and pragmatically. Sadly, historically trial and error has been the regulatory modus operandi actioned by persons either biased by lobbying or ignorant of the dynamics of gambling retail and the habits and psychology of the end users. Which is why this nonsensical situation prevails today.
 
You can actually get as low as 76% (or it could be 78%) on many of the games on the digital cabs but admittedly that’s on 25p stake.

The difference between what hyper had (the £20 loss in quick time) and the absolute filth that these random games can do is that the £20 he lost counts for somethimg. Unfortunately , he had banked nudges and a set up that will happily suck in that scenario, but of course will add up to what presumably was his end goal (I haven’t watched his vid) which I’m guessing would be an all out chase for the top feature???

That’s why I argued with you that random games on 86% on £1 stakes in pubs and the shite you use to play on £2 are far worse for people than £100 compensated games., because they never ‘owe’ you fuck all no matter how much ur in.

Your just bitter about what SOME of the games could do to people with exploits on, but this wasn’t the case on numerous others that sat in pubs for years that were untouched by the pros.

At least if a mug punter sat on a compensated £100 jackpot reflex game or a bet com or several other manus and went on an all out gamble for the jackpot it’s unlikely to cost them more than £200-£250 ( obviously playable exceptions aside) but the money counts for something and there is an end goal at least.

I don’t think you quite realised just how god awful random £100’s / £500’s in ur case could/can be and even now that you’ve had a very small taste and trust me it was a tiny loss to stake ratio, I still don’t think you do.
 

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