Mousey
Ueber Meister Mouse
- Joined
- Sep 12, 2004
- Location
- Up$hitCreek
(Sorry guys, but this is what happens when I wake up at 4 a.m. on a Saturday and can't go back to sleep..... )
Online gamblers -- especially those of us in the USA -- are taking a huge gamble when we attempt to play online. The odds against us are mounting. NETeller shut USA players out, the US DoJ has confiscated funds, publicly listed casinos have dropped US players, and the casinos and web wallets that are left are all in a scramble.
What deposit method is working, and where? What works one day doesn't work the next, and there are reports of the nefarious 'lost in cyberspace' deposits where the money is removed from the players payment method but doesn't show up in the casino. Casinos and sports books are setting up their own proprietary deposit/payment systems, but even that is iffy as in the case of Intertops whose own PayTru card has pulled out and cannot be used by USA players. Some bank credit/debit cards are working at times, but may be refused the next time the player attempts to use them. Prepaid gift cards are working in at some casinos (particularly at RTGs), but that too is up in the air as they also can be refused. Click2Pay is still working at the casinos who accept it, but only those USA players who already had existing accounts in place before NETeller shut us out have that privilege, as they will accept no new USA customers. Players can set up accounts at other online wallets, like ECOcard, but that means giving out personal and financial information to yet another online entity and it will only work at certain casinos.
Let's assume the player manages to get a deposit into the casino, and let's say s/he is lucky, gets some good spins/hands and wants to withdraw from the casino. If the casinos are having problems accepting your money (and they are) getting money back to the player is something of a nightmare. What's working? If the player is fortunate enough to have Click2Pay, or other web wallet, he can withdraw to that method -- if that is what was used to deposit. Players are finding themselves in a tangle when they cannot withdraw from the casino to the method they used to deposit.
And if you withdraw to a web wallet, how do you get your money into your hands? Wire transfer from Click2Pay seems to be functioning, but they will only process withdrawals if they are over $1500 to your bank. Some players who use Click2Pay (and don't have $1500+ in their accounts) and other web wallets have deposited large amounts to casinos, played a bit, then attempted an ACH or wire transfer withdrawal which only sets off all sorts of money laundering alarm bells. Most casinos won't tolerate it even though the player is only attempting to get his hands on his own money. ACH is working from certain casinos -- at times. Some ACH and even paper checks are being declined, whether by the casino's payment processor, or by the player's bank -- leaving yet more funds in limbo while the casino and the player scramble to find yet another payout method. Some MG casinos have stated recently that they will accept USA deposits, but have no idea how they would pay the player should a withdrawal be requested.
Most knowledgeable players, who did their research, never had a problem getting their money from good casinos before the crack down and the UIGEA. But now that the US DoJ has stepped in.... The DoJ has gotten its paws on millions of dollars of USA players' monies. They have managed to bring about what they (the DoJ) have said they set out to prevent. Players are getting hoodwinked right and left. More shady casinos are trolling for US players everyday -- places that never liked to pay players even before the UIGEA crack down. The gullible, the innocent, the rookie player, are all fodder for these less reputable places. Reputable casinos are finding it difficult to impossible to pay players. Good casinos that once boasted of 24 - 48 hour withdrawal processing are finding themselves scrambling to pay players at all, and it might take weeks to get the money into the players hands even if a payment processor is in place.
Players who continue to play online in this unsettled climate must, absolutely must, stay abreast of what is happening in the online gaming community. Those who frequent the online gaming news portals and bulletin boards (like casinomeister.com) are the players who are more likely to play 'safely' and know what is working where and are less likely to deposit carelessly. The single most important piece of advice is that (once research has verified a casino as reputable) the player email or phone the casino immediately prior to depositing to get some idea of what deposit methods are working, and, more importantly, to determine if the casino has a processor in place that can pay USA players and what method will be used to pay out -- just in case he wins and wishes to withdraw.
A few fortunate, brave, diligent souls who have the time and fortitude to track down their deposits and withdrawals through persistent emails and follow up telephone calls, are making this new 'system' work. I, for one, have neither the time nor the patience and won't chance it.
Online gamblers -- especially those of us in the USA -- are taking a huge gamble when we attempt to play online. The odds against us are mounting. NETeller shut USA players out, the US DoJ has confiscated funds, publicly listed casinos have dropped US players, and the casinos and web wallets that are left are all in a scramble.
What deposit method is working, and where? What works one day doesn't work the next, and there are reports of the nefarious 'lost in cyberspace' deposits where the money is removed from the players payment method but doesn't show up in the casino. Casinos and sports books are setting up their own proprietary deposit/payment systems, but even that is iffy as in the case of Intertops whose own PayTru card has pulled out and cannot be used by USA players. Some bank credit/debit cards are working at times, but may be refused the next time the player attempts to use them. Prepaid gift cards are working in at some casinos (particularly at RTGs), but that too is up in the air as they also can be refused. Click2Pay is still working at the casinos who accept it, but only those USA players who already had existing accounts in place before NETeller shut us out have that privilege, as they will accept no new USA customers. Players can set up accounts at other online wallets, like ECOcard, but that means giving out personal and financial information to yet another online entity and it will only work at certain casinos.
Let's assume the player manages to get a deposit into the casino, and let's say s/he is lucky, gets some good spins/hands and wants to withdraw from the casino. If the casinos are having problems accepting your money (and they are) getting money back to the player is something of a nightmare. What's working? If the player is fortunate enough to have Click2Pay, or other web wallet, he can withdraw to that method -- if that is what was used to deposit. Players are finding themselves in a tangle when they cannot withdraw from the casino to the method they used to deposit.
And if you withdraw to a web wallet, how do you get your money into your hands? Wire transfer from Click2Pay seems to be functioning, but they will only process withdrawals if they are over $1500 to your bank. Some players who use Click2Pay (and don't have $1500+ in their accounts) and other web wallets have deposited large amounts to casinos, played a bit, then attempted an ACH or wire transfer withdrawal which only sets off all sorts of money laundering alarm bells. Most casinos won't tolerate it even though the player is only attempting to get his hands on his own money. ACH is working from certain casinos -- at times. Some ACH and even paper checks are being declined, whether by the casino's payment processor, or by the player's bank -- leaving yet more funds in limbo while the casino and the player scramble to find yet another payout method. Some MG casinos have stated recently that they will accept USA deposits, but have no idea how they would pay the player should a withdrawal be requested.
Most knowledgeable players, who did their research, never had a problem getting their money from good casinos before the crack down and the UIGEA. But now that the US DoJ has stepped in.... The DoJ has gotten its paws on millions of dollars of USA players' monies. They have managed to bring about what they (the DoJ) have said they set out to prevent. Players are getting hoodwinked right and left. More shady casinos are trolling for US players everyday -- places that never liked to pay players even before the UIGEA crack down. The gullible, the innocent, the rookie player, are all fodder for these less reputable places. Reputable casinos are finding it difficult to impossible to pay players. Good casinos that once boasted of 24 - 48 hour withdrawal processing are finding themselves scrambling to pay players at all, and it might take weeks to get the money into the players hands even if a payment processor is in place.
Players who continue to play online in this unsettled climate must, absolutely must, stay abreast of what is happening in the online gaming community. Those who frequent the online gaming news portals and bulletin boards (like casinomeister.com) are the players who are more likely to play 'safely' and know what is working where and are less likely to deposit carelessly. The single most important piece of advice is that (once research has verified a casino as reputable) the player email or phone the casino immediately prior to depositing to get some idea of what deposit methods are working, and, more importantly, to determine if the casino has a processor in place that can pay USA players and what method will be used to pay out -- just in case he wins and wishes to withdraw.
A few fortunate, brave, diligent souls who have the time and fortitude to track down their deposits and withdrawals through persistent emails and follow up telephone calls, are making this new 'system' work. I, for one, have neither the time nor the patience and won't chance it.
But being, I guess addicted, to MG software I'm trying every imaginable variance on roulette and slots and practicing my blackjack strategy.
