Microgaming.. WTH

brianzz

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Has anyone noticed that for about the past 20 days or so (since the last game release) that you can't hit anything at Microgaming casinos? I deposit, lose, deposit, lose, on and on and on and on. I think of the past 20 days I've been up by just a few dollars 1 time depositing about $100 a day. Call it bad luck or whatever but eventually you'd think you'd have to win something. All I know is if a land based casino tightened down like the online casinos have, it'd be a ghost town.

I know they've done something to Hitman to make it just inhale the money, since my $1200 bonus, I've hit free spins 1 time in 20 days, pick a bonus a few times but it's always 2x the bet and PDA once for about 4X my bet. Cashapillar - nothing. Break Da Bank, I give up on that game. Microgaming is advanced enough they should have some way to exclude yourself from certain games like that lousy money sucking bank game. There was talk in the other threads about the AWP or whatever they're called games having some kind of memory for each player, they must've installed that feature in all the slots because you sure can't hit anything on them.

If the other casinos software weren't so damn boring I'd play there, but the few times I've played at the Rivals it's sucked the money right up, and since they're chumming around with the scumbags from 888 I wouldn't touch them with a 20 foot deposit.
 

james01

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If the other casinos software weren't so damn boring I'd play there, but the few times I've played at the Rivals it's sucked the money right up, and since they're chumming around with the scumbags from 888 I wouldn't touch them with a 20 foot deposit.

My understanding was that the 888 deal was with the Rival software providers, not the licensees - that is, that 888 will be offering Rival games under their own label, and won't be affiliated with rival sites in any manner.
 

brianzz

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I'm sure 888 will let them know the ways of the business.. Much like the many faces of Oliver Curan did with the other RTG's
 

Nobunaga

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Slots

Brianzz.Why not give up on slots and play a back up game, like video poker, sports betting, poker, baccarat, or other games in which the house edge would be lower or could be managed better.

Slots always have high vigorish, so don't play them all the time.Treat yourself, play them for fun, but to be a professional slot player, would be extremely tough, if not very possible at all, to pay for a house, car and kids with all of that money, year after year.

You'll find that you can win at the other games with proper money management, and you'll have more fun and less depression from your losses.

Try it for a week and see.

Then PM me with your findings.

Nobunaga
 

shadow123

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I know they've done something to Hitman to make it just inhale the money, since my $1200 bonus, I've hit free spins 1 time in 20 days, pick a bonus a few times but it's always 2x the bet and PDA once for about 4X my bet. Cashapillar - nothing. Break Da Bank, I give up on that game. Microgaming is advanced enough they should have some way to exclude yourself from certain games like that lousy money sucking bank game. There was talk in the other threads about the AWP or whatever they're called games having some kind of memory for each player, they must've installed that feature in all the slots because you sure can't hit anything on them.

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I have to agree with you on Hitman , It is certainly not a random game and
and will take and take then give you an series of features, Osbournes is the same and I think they have both been tinkered with recently.
Cashapillar and Break Da Bank are both very high variance games,I know they do drop but they are not games I would chase losses on.
 

matty

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i guess they're in big urge of getting money. luckly not playing there, but its not nice to hear it:mad:

:)
 
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juliack

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I received a $2500 long time no see bonus from Bellerock. I stopped playing there last year because of a 6 month solid losing streak. When I checked my computer this morning the bonus was credited to one of my Bellerock accounts. I thought something might have changed over the past 8 months I have not played there. Bonus gone in less than 30 minutes. No change...no play. I am starting to feel quite controlled at MG casinos. There are certain jackpots you would expect to hit after playing heavily for 8 years. I probably should have hit a pat royal several times on power play VP but never have seen one other than the odd player playing far less than max dollars. The ratio of pat royals I have hit at B&M s would probably equate to 50 times online theoretically. Cheers
 

brianzz

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Slots are pretty subjective, they hit for one person and not for the other, but I've noticed quite a few posts about MG slots being so tight they squeak as they spin. Something really must be rotten in casino land. Maybe MG has added the mythical sliding return that RTG has been known to have and adjust often. If you think a casino would have a game they couldn't change the odds/return on in the backend, you must be on drugs.

As far as those "independent audits" I've always thought that was a steaming load. I'd like to see how those stack up if you exclude progressive wagers/payouts, probably be far less than the 95%+ that most of them state or better yet a game by game by casino by denomination break down. But that would require actually having an independent audit.

While I'm on the audit subject. It seems online casinos are consistanly above par on the payouts on tables as opposed to B&M casinos. A eCogra certification I'm looking at now for a casino says across all tables had a hold of 3.13%. A B&M casino hold report for the same time period reports that the overall hold was 17.81%. I could understand a few % points, even 8 or 9% but over 14%? This is a consistant trend, B&M's hold more than online casinos? Are there really that many "professional level" table players on the internet? I don't think so. Even Las Vegas table holds aren't that low, they hang in the 13% a month neighborhood. And we all know how many card counters flock to Vegas every weekend not to mention the people that actually know what they're doing.

Nobody has ever really discussed a way to "tweak" the way cards are shuffled/dealt in VP to skew the returns from ones in a B&M casino. The slightest difference can throw the return off from what you would expect from say a 9/6 paytable. I'm sure it's possible.

Has it really ever been proven the that a 9/6 online VP paytable behaves exactly the same as a 9/6 B&M paytable, I suppose we just take for granted that it does. As much as Juilack plays this could be a case study if you could pull records of a majority of the hands you've played.
 

GrandMaster

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While I'm on the audit subject. It seems online casinos are consistanly above par on the payouts on tables as opposed to B&M casinos. A eCogra certification I'm looking at now for a casino says across all tables had a hold of 3.13%. A B&M casino hold report for the same time period reports that the overall hold was 17.81%. I could understand a few % points, even 8 or 9% but over 14%? This is a consistant trend, B&M's hold more than online casinos? Are there really that many "professional level" table players on the internet? I don't think so. Even Las Vegas table holds aren't that low, they hang in the 13% a month neighborhood. And we all know how many card counters flock to Vegas every weekend not to mention the people that actually know what they're doing.
You seem to be confusing hold and house edge.
 

brianzz

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House advantage has nothing to do with it.

Hold is the figure (profit) after subtracting payouts from wagers on a casino table game. Win is the same for slots but it's reported as "Slot Win".

Fig 1. eCogra reporting a 3.13% hold (96.87 of wagers returned to players (minus) 100. (total wagers)=3.13)

Fig 2. Gaming authorities reporting a 17.81% hold (82.19% of wagers returned to player (minus) 100. (total wagers)=17.81)

The original question was, are there that many good table players that play online vs. B&M casinos? Don't think so
 

Matthew23

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If you think a casino would have a game they couldn't change the odds/return on in the backend, you must be on drugs.

Unless they were a Rogue casino, any other casino would not want to lower the payout percentage even if they could. Why would they lower it? It would not make them more money. If no one was winning then people would stop playing altogether and the casino would go broke. The casino wants and needs players to win from time to time to keep them interested in playing. They'll win in the long run anyway! If you truly believe the games are fixed but you're still playing then "you must be on drugs" :D

I do agree that Hitman has some kind of memory. Actually, we know it does because there was a bug that when you hit the green laptop bonus for the second time during the 18 free spins, it would pay the exact same amount as the first time and then the game would permanently freeze. Something along those lines anyway.

I usually only play MG casinos. I've been lucky this last 2 months at Dash casino. I only low roll on slots and my payout % is 100.5 % after maybe 75,000 spins or so. I guess it just comes down to luck.
 

retlaw

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Has anyone noticed that for about the past 20 days or so (since the last game release) that you can't hit anything at Microgaming casinos?

I noticed.This month is the worst since I play online.
I play on 3 MG casino's almost every day and play VP 90 % of the time.
So the reason why you loose is not the fact that you play slots (IMHO).
 

chuchu59

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Throw in Bacarrat into the no-no games at MG, especially if you bet than $10. I have not won any hands at $20 or more for the past month. Sends me the shivers.
 

GrandMaster

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House advantage has nothing to do with it.

Hold is the figure (profit) after subtracting payouts from wagers on a casino table game. Win is the same for slots but it's reported as "Slot Win".

Fig 1. eCogra reporting a 3.13% hold (96.87 of wagers returned to players (minus) 100. (total wagers)=3.13)

Fig 2. Gaming authorities reporting a 17.81% hold (82.19% of wagers returned to player (minus) 100. (total wagers)=17.81)

The original question was, are there that many good table players that play online vs. B&M casinos? Don't think so
You are still not getting it. The figures in the ecogra report are expressed as a percentage of the total amount wagered. The hold is calculated as a percentage of chips bought or amount deposited into machines. See also
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, scroll down to see the definition of hold.
 

babs7262

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Do you guys know that I had ONE cashout almost 2 years ago from an MG casino and havnt had one since? Just letting you know. Yes, I took a few months off but still!
 

cslate

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Well i still don't understand why people bitch about this.

They win...you lose!

simple but true......

Oh and as soon as your feeling down the great people known as affiliates (salesman) step in to try and make it seem profitable with bullsh!t and phony stats and unbeatable promos.....

Not to mention if you win the scrutiny you face....and sending that type of info to operators is very dangerous way of promoting identity theft.

Would and could they sell your info?

yes.....

Did anything happen to the obvious theft and fraud that absolute poker or ultimate bet have proven.....

No

It is profitable only if you own them or sell their product.

caveat emptor.

(buyer beware)
 

just play

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I noticed.This month is the worst since I play online.


It's the total opposite for me. I have won so much in the last month my head is spinning. All at one MG casino Villento, and on only 4 slots.

RTG and 3dice take my money so fast, I mean FAST, I have uninstalled 3dice and probably will never look back, it feels like I open a window and just throw out bills into the wind. Inet is no better, but sometimes I get to play longer than 10 minutes. :rolleyes:
 

lauram

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When i first started playing while back i joined roxy in saying that i got my account to over 700 i called them asking how to cash out and where to fax the forms was told i had to play this and this still. Now at that time i made a 20 deposit match was 20, but being new player didnt know what they meant so played it off. Was after joining here the sweet folks of this site helped me lots with the facts of bonus taking and the ins and outs of dif casinos. Now i have done many deposits with roxy and i havent yet got a withdraw once from them seems like they know im a lil up on things so they flicked that switch that says dont let her win anything. So i stick with the 2 mg casinos that have paid me back and in within few days jackpotcity and alljackpots. I have tried the others and when its not fun playing at their casino then to me its not worth depositing. I have found other mg sites just dead spin after spin i found playtech
chat abuse while playing with full deposit upsetting they dont leave you alone at all and worse part is you just got in there and deposited one spin in there like fast make this deposit and here is bonus so i gave them up. Rival i cant deposit they dont take instadebit any longer but they have gotten just as bad with the dead spins money is gone in few min. Rtg for me is half and half
at least i can withdraw from them also but at times get those dead spins.
 
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babs7262

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Well i still don't understand why people bitch about this.

They win...you lose!

simple but true......

Oh and as soon as your feeling down the great people known as affiliates (salesman) step in to try and make it seem profitable with bullsh!t and phony stats and unbeatable promos.....

Not to mention if you win the scrutiny you face....and sending that type of info to operators is very dangerous way of promoting identity theft.

Would and could they sell your info?


yes.....

Did anything happen to the obvious theft and fraud that absolute poker or ultimate bet have proven.....

No

It is profitable only if you own them or sell their product.

caveat emptor.

(buyer beware)


And you joined this site why? I dont understand you, seiously, why join a gaming site if you dont gamble at online casinos and basically call us all morons because we do?
 

debbiek

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Personally, I don't think the payout problem is limited to MG. It's also RTG for sure and probably Rival too based on recent posts I've read. I'm not sure if it's limited to software where US players go, but it's very obvious.

I really think the only way to find out the real truth behind the changing online situation is to get information from a high level "insider" as to how their operations have changed and their business philosophy. While it seems reasonable to say that a casino cannot profit if they're deposits are down, maybe they offset that with reduced costs/manpower needed to process withdrawls. Also, if 85% of the customers that deposit lose all their money, the casino is guaranteed profit from these depositors. They've limited the bonus round payouts dramatically, so this shields them from any significant outlay there.

There are always diehard gamblers that go back to see if anything has improved and also a percentage of new players just discovering online gambling. Basically, that's what the casino needs to keep those deposits rolling in. They basically have the entire US market as "potential losers". Why not offer good bonuses to attract new players and keep payouts very very low to insure profit?

This is just my insight, but it seems the online payout percentage has dropped dramatically across most software providers in US play. I don't think it's too much about luck anymore, just about terrible odds and a changing business philosophy capitalizing on limited marketplace competition.
 

jas2587

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ok...

wow touched a nerve!



I didnt think i called anyone a moron.


but now i will

your the moron


Sorry for stating the obvious


I think you are way out of line
this was uncalled for

mo�ron �� (m�rn, mr-) KEY �

NOUN:

A stupid person; a dolt.
Psychology A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.


Cindy
 

cslate

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lol....

I was just stating the truth.....

Thanks for the definition though....I wasnt sure what babs was calling everyone.
 

james01

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Yes, thanks. I thought I'd been called a Mormon, and you know, that just wouldn't do. I've never even been to Utah!
 
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