Your Input Please Microgaming Nightmare

[curremon]

I have been a big fan of MG slots since i started online but i have to say the last 3 months have been nothing but torture.
I know i play the higher variance ones but surely it has to go in your favour sometimes.
Has Microgaming adjusted things to boost profits or am i like plenty people on hear having some bad luck.
This morning lost 100 euro on The Finer Reels playing 60c bets and lost it within 15 minutes i'd say.
Deposited another 100 and had a bonus of a 100 at one of the new casino's that have both MG and Netent.
Netent at least gave me a run for my money but the good ole MG slots were as bad as they have been.
I had a few bad months now and just wondered how many others are feeling that pain.

I couldnt agree more.. last 3 months total pain in the ass.. If i manage to get feature i win everytime 10x bet and thats it..

 

[spintee]

I couldnt agree more.. last 3 months total pain in the ass.. If i manage to get feature i win everytime 10x bet and thats it..

Your lucky to get x10 back, I have bloody loads of features and 96% of them have been less than 10x bet, In about 10 years gambling I have only ever had 0 back of free spins about twice, This week alone I have had 5 with no wins? That £1.20 win was of 60p bet so 0 back of wins

 

[Jono777]

Had plenty of those sort of screenies Spintee but usually too 'mad' at the time to screenshot em lol

 

[cncas123]

Maybe I have turned the corner, i decided to take the Zodiac Casino offer of 1 pound deposit and 20 pound bonus, played Thunderstruck at 0.27p and hit a bonus round for 165.00. Played the WR and now have 300.00 sitting on my balance, so will make a withdrawal and hopefully no issues.

 

[spintee]

Maybe I have turned the corner, i decided to take the Zodiac Casino offer of 1 pound deposit and 20 pound bonus, played Thunderstruck at 0.27p and hit a bonus round for 165.00. Played the WR and now have 300.00 sitting on my balance, so will make a withdrawal and hopefully no issues.

Please keep us updated

 

[spintee]

Had plenty of those sort of screenies Spintee but usually too 'mad' at the time to screenshot em lol

It not good my friend, its hard enough to get a bonus round in first, And that 60 play was a good hit for me as I am 30p play and when I got 0 I was less than impressed

 

[cncas123]

Please keep us updated

I think I am screwed, I had a few bets on roulette when the bonus will still active, and I have broken their 25% bet rule, so I dont think they will process the withdrawal. I checked the bonus terms and conditions, and there was no max bet in that section, but have just looked at general terms and conditions and they have the 25% rule buried in there. My own fault.

 

[spintee]

I think I am screwed, I had a few bets on roulette when the bonus will still active, and I have broken their 25% bet rule, so I dont think they will process the withdrawal. I checked the bonus terms and conditions, and there was no max bet in that section, but have just looked at general terms and conditions and they have the 25% rule buried in there. My own fault.

I have tried looking back threw thread and can not see what I said, I have had abit of drink, I have family over from Aus & Ireland and plenty down down from London as my grandad is not to well, I wil look back at thread

I wish you all well

 

[Jono777]

Nightmare on Microgaming Street part VII - The never ending nightmare - just under £100 minimum bets, 8 different games no win over x10 and no bonuses.

I know I will be told otherwise and to probably put up or shut up lol but I've been playing way to long to know there is defo something not quite right........

 

[spintee]

Nightmare on Microgaming Street part VII - The never ending nightmare - just under £100 minimum bets, 8 different games no win over x10 and no bonuses.

I know I will be told otherwise and to probably put up or shut up lol but I've been playing way to long to know there is defo something not quite right........

Its not been right for long time, belive me I do not care what any one has said about random or luck, I know that MG has a leverage switch,

I seen the thread other day about the new machine from net ent. & I heard the man say that there was 1.2 billion spins last year? Well I do not no what every one is playing as I must of had at least them many my self and 10x more on MG

 

[plasticnote]

Less money played in MG, so less money paid out, I think that will be the case.

My personal example, in 2012 - 2013, I spent $170 K across 5 MG casinos.

2014 -2015, I think I closed 3 MG casinos accounts and less played in another 2, total spend 22K.

I did not cut my budget, while I played much more in netent, WMS and novomatic...still no RTG, not because the software but because their casinos...

I think people should lower their expectations on MG, its slots still are very good but will not pay out big ones as much as it used to be.

regarding TS 1, I do not think anyone in this forum played more than I did since it came out, it still pays out quite big some time just not as frequently as it used to be.

PS: just mention, any slots comes out from the TS designers are the most worth playing, it is power of their mind and experience, so waiting for the next one from these guys. Hope they did not move on to other providers.

cheers

plasticnote

 

[Nicola]

My only thoughts on the situation are, that since the new UK Gambling rules came in late last year, a large number of MG Casinos are no longer playable in the UK marketplace. IIRC, UK was second (after Australia) in terms of players. This must have had a huge effect on their profits!

NetEnt have made significant growth in both UK and EU markets over the past 12 months and their new games are leaps and bounds ahead of MG. You also have to add WMS who are making moves into new markets.

Haven't played at a MG casino at all this year, and have no plans too.

 

[Jd666]

My only thoughts on the situation are, that since the new UK Gambling rules came in late last year, a large number of MG Casinos are no longer playable in the UK marketplace. IIRC, UK was second (after Australia) in terms of players. This must have had a huge effect on their profits!

NetEnt have made significant growth in both UK and EU markets over the past 12 months and their new games are leaps and bounds ahead of MG. You also have to add WMS who are making moves into new markets.

Haven't played at a MG casino at all this year, and have no plans too.

Thats why i cant undrstand them pulling out in the first place, unless some thought they wouldnt get a UK license.
Even if they have to pay 15% or whatever, then it should still make the casinos profit.
They still have 85%, obviously there is processing fees etc but 85% of something is better than 0% of nothing.

Any casino which have booted UK out and then decides to come back can get stuffed for me, i wont go back to them

 

[Jono777]

My only thoughts on the situation are, that since the new UK Gambling rules came in late last year, a large number of MG Casinos are no longer playable in the UK marketplace. IIRC, UK was second (after Australia) in terms of players. This must have had a huge effect on their profits!

NetEnt have made significant growth in both UK and EU markets over the past 12 months and their new games are leaps and bounds ahead of MG. You also have to add WMS who are making moves into new markets.

Haven't played at a MG casino at all this year, and have no plans too.

I had those thoughts regarding the UK market etc, seemed too much of a coincidence, glad someone agrees - cheers

 

[Jono777]

Thats why i cant undrstand them pulling out in the first place, unless some thought they wouldnt get a UK license.
Even if they have to pay 15% or whatever, then it should still make the casinos profit.
They still have 85%, obviously there is processing fees etc but 85% of something is better than 0% of nothing.

Any casino which have booted UK out and then decides to come back can get stuffed for me, i wont go back to them

Yep! - I took that stance too, deposited thousands over the years into VPL, Fortune Lounge, Belle Rock and was like they just said a big FU, I know this wasn't the case and there were lots of factors which influenced the casinos final decision(s) to 'pull out' but your point is spot on and I'd never go back, Its also real real sad that all these casinos migrated there customers to Roxy Palace, Spin, Betway etc and that these companies only seem interested in Hi-Rollers

 

[Deeplay]

I play MG less and less these days. In the past it was almost always MG. I dont think anything has changed. The RTP etc is set on the game launch and nothing every switches from that point on unless there is an error in the game. Payouts / returns are built in the maths model of each game so no need for any kind of manipulation. If I thought there was manipulation I would stop playing immediately. Usually now stick with Netent WMS and some small mg play. Saying that got hammered on GOT other night. 700 spins before I hit the bonus but that is just how this horror of a slot swings and is not down to anything being rigged. The bonus did pay around 160xs so some saving grace but still a horror of a session

 

[Azzurri]

RTP etc is set on the game launch and nothing every switches from that point on unless there is an error in the game.

I'm not necessarily doubting you, as I don't know the answer myself, but is what you said above 100% accurate?

The reason I ask is because of the Cosmic Fortune example, whereby it was launched and instantly started paying out with regular jackpots being won. Didn't they then remove the slot, adjust the rtp, and relaunch it, only for players to then complain about the obvious difference in payout rates?

I could be wrong, but this was just an example that stood out to me at time, because I remember being surprised that they did actually take it down because it was paying to much at a higher than expected rtp.

 

[Deeplay]

I'm not necessarily doubting you, as I don't know the answer myself, but is what you said above 100% accurate?

The reason I ask is because of the Cosmic Fortune example, whereby it was launched and instantly started paying out with regular jackpots being won. Didn't they then remove the slot, adjust the rtp, and relaunch it, only for players to then complain about the obvious difference in payout rates?

I could be wrong, but this was just an example that stood out to me at time, because I remember being surprised that they did actually take it down because it was paying to much at a higher than expected rtp.

Yes exactly as I said "unless there was an error in the game" which could have been the case with cosmic fortune. Then sure they will take a slot offline and adjust so it pays correctly. I personally just dont hold with the notion that games coming from reputable developers such as MG NetEnt ect need to do anything underhand as the RTP ect takes care of this. But hey that is just me. If I felt in doubt about the integrity of any game or software I would not invest anything into them. Personal choice of view points I suppose.

 

[brianmon]

and also, why do certain ;old' games keep getting updated in the viper clients?
Surely they can't still be finding errors with TSII. Yet it re-downloaded it's self twice within 3 days in my 32Red viper client last week.
Also there were all the issues last year, with achievements being cleared. One casino rep told me in a PM, when I questioned him about it, that the games were paying out too much

 

[spintee]

I take it that if pays out to much than they must adjust the payout than when the rtp is less than should be than they reverse it? This could well be that if a smaller casino gets the unfortunate time when paying out they could go under,

If this is the case than its out of order, It should not be up to the games providers to do this and let the RNG sort it,

 

[dunover]

and also, why do certain ;old' games keep getting updated in the viper clients?
Surely they can't still be finding errors with TSII. Yet it re-downloaded it's self twice within 3 days in my 32Red viper client last week.
Also there were all the issues last year, with achievements being cleared. One casino rep told me in a PM, when I questioned him about it, that the games were paying out too much

I've noticed this too. Not just TSII but almost every game I've opened, I think it's a general update as opposed to specific games.

 

[syntynyt]

and also, why do certain ;old' games keep getting updated in the viper clients?
Surely they can't still be finding errors with TSII. Yet it re-downloaded it's self twice within 3 days in my 32Red viper client last week.
Also there were all the issues last year, with achievements being cleared. One casino rep told me in a PM, when I questioned him about it, that the games were paying out too much

because Viper Component, whatever that is, is still not fixed. games are updated after each restart and tourneys are crashing but working after re-launch. someone must be fired and replaced after months of errors that never gets fixed.
if older games like BDBA had quickspin in Quickfire platform i would get rid of all MG casinos.

 

[Jono777]

This is only my humble opinion and not confirmed facts but experience and (shouldn't admit this) years of gambling in general suggest to me:-

*Sites can have varied RTP (observed over many, many deposits not just one or two) for example over 4-5 years £5K+ up on 32 red, over 3K down on Betway (same slots, same stakes)

* Possible similarity to AWP settings where payouts can be adjusted or even 'self adjust' over time.

Not accusing, not stating, just de-stressing lol but at the same time also state some possible truths

Gonna back my self up and contradict my self at same time here with another example, since my 5 - reel shitstorm on TSII I admit I still get the odd decent play/feature now and again, however since I hit 5 Rams DURING feature on TS, can't hit anything ever lol.

I think if we pinched the odd word from the thousands of comments on this topic we may one day get to the bottom of it

 

[243 lines=daft]

When playing the nine line TS1 clones I similarly am not seeing the kind of hits I'd been used to see playing these games for six years or so.

But of course even though these games are 'high medium variance' the variance is still high enough that you could 'see' patterns for a whole year, never see them again in your life and for that just to be a reasonable quirk of random.

The problem as always is that Microgaming have never put out documents that are absolutely transparent about how their slots work.
While that remains the case, I feel cynicism and conspiracy theory should not be ridiculed but should be seen as a healthy communal monitoring of what is really a black box process.

 

[bjtaz44]

Just wondering since this thread if anyone's experiencing anything better. I still since January have consitantly deposited and still have had the worst experience ever in over 6 years of playing. Guess it's time to just say enough is enough. Is it because the jackpots are so high now? Don't know, but burning through $100's in minutes so just curious how everyone else is making out.