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Went into the $20,000 weekender tournament on Tomb Raider and thought I was made...got the free spins then got the free spins 4 more times on the free spins ,you ripper I thought i should really get a good score, guess what..tiddley squat , got only around 2000 coins, which was shithouse for the amount of freebie spins. Love the tournies but can be a trap if not carefull, What annoys me also is if it is a free tournie why do you have to pay $2 to continue ? Also what happens to the 500 plus players when the free one is over ,where do they go, why dont they play some of the smaller $2 and $5 games, seems the same players play those games most of the time, and it annoys when you are waiting for one or two players to fill the game..I have seen Simmo on them any one else playing them ?
 
You're not alone...I play them all the time but this past weekend was the first $20,000 tourney I tried. Saw free spins maybe twice and finished a few over 100th..just out of any cash prize. I've also wondered what happens to the 500 or 800 other people who disappear when the free tournies are over and have you noticed that on average about 200 never play at all. Why waste your time registering and then never show up? Casino generated players perhaps? Who knows lol. Also the average for the $200 tournies is about 60, usually the same people.
 
Lots more people will play the free tourneys and if they win they'll go blow the winnings on slots, why pay to play in a tourney when you can wait 2 hours and get a free one. Juding from the tournaments I've played, you do alot better playing your money on a regular game.
 
I have tried those tournaments as well. My best results are being top 6 and top 9 on a 1000 person freeroll. What disturbed me the most was that the prizes for these positions didn't even cover the cost of continue playing options. So you pay for the option to continue play and hit the top 10 out of 1000 players and you still lose money... not very nice...

By the way is there any way to speed up the spins? I am always left with 400-700 coins after 5 minutes is up but I have noticed that there are players who manage to play all their coins in five minutes.
 
Simmo! knows.... he posted it, I didn't get around to it so I don't remember how:confused:
 
I have tried those tournaments as well. My best results are being top 6 and top 9 on a 1000 person freeroll. What disturbed me the most was that the prizes for these positions didn't even cover the cost of continue playing options. So you pay for the option to continue play and hit the top 10 out of 1000 players and you still lose money... not very nice...

By the way is there any way to speed up the spins? I am always left with 400-700 coins after 5 minutes is up but I have noticed that there are players who manage to play all their coins in five minutes.

Not Now, Microgaming placed a "fix" at the server end to ensure slow spinning within the range of 5 to 6 seconds - this "fix" kicks in when there are two or three consecutive spins that fall within a present range, and the server holds onto the result for 5 seconds each spin, the player sees this as the "waiting server" indicator cycles and the reels just spin. Also to be noted that during this phase the coins left will NOT decrease when you press "spin", but when the server returns the result.
Spin speed is not a problem at the weekender, as the continues offer 10 minutes also, but only 5000 coins, so coins left over from the first round can normally be used up unless you hit loads of bonus rounds.
With a fast top notch PC, and a separate graphics card, it is possible to speed up the spins a little. Another trick for an old PC is to drop both the screen resolution and colour resolution.

Casinos register large numbers of players for the weekender, and while some require users to claim first, others just do it & tell you. This is why some 200 players seem to take the trouble of registering only then to not play. There is also a "dodge", whereby players can withdraw from the tournament the casino has paid for, pocketing the $20. Casinos are aware of this, and will respond accordingly under "bonus abuse" rules, usually not giving said players any more free entries.

As for no-one really playing the other tournaments, the answer is simple, the house edge is considerably greater than the 5% enjoyed by the casino in the lobby slot games. I some cases, the tournaments can pay back only around 50% of the money made from players from buyins and continues. The problem is that increased participation does not boost the prize pools, after declaring the prizes, casinos keep 100% of any revenue from an unexpected increase in interest.
Another reason is simply that, for the low prizes, the tournaments are boring because game play is just so damn SLOW. Rather than remedy this, MG have done the opposite in ensuring EVERYONE has to endure the boredom of a bonus round taking 1 minute to complete and pay nothing. Game play is even SLOWER during the free spins as every win is displayed, and unlike normal play, the player can't skip this by pressing "spin" if they just want to move on.
There is also a misconception with the $500 and $200 prize events. You get hundreds registering for the "free" ones, and only around 50 for the $2 or $5 buy-in one. This is plain silly, with 5 continues, it still costs 5x $2 or $5 to play out a free entry one where you are against hundreds, but only one extra $2 or $5 to compete against a much reduced field.

Unlike the slots games, MG DO NOT PUBLISH the average monthly payouts on the tournaments (prizes paid out as a percentage of total revenue from buy-ins and continues). For the sit & go, the calculation is easy! 90% is of the buy-ins are paid out as prizes, and 10% is kept by the participating casinos. This compares unfavourably with spending the money just playing the slots in the lobby, where 95% of all wagers placed are returned as prizes.
Where multiple continues are available, the house edge can increase to "embarrassing" levels, which might be why no figures are published.
With many tournaments, it is possible to estimate how many continues were bought by looking at the number of coins left when play has ended, the higher the figure, the more continues the player has bought.

Microgaming could easily make these tournaments more attractive, and this will make them more popular, the first hurdle is to publish figures and PROVE that the house edge is fair in the long term, and that tournaments with terrible 50% payout rates are balanced by some that pay out more than 100% to participating players.
Secondly, speed up game play to a level that allows the juices of excitement to flow, rather than having us fall asleep through naked spin boredom.
Thirdly, add some more games, including some non-slot offerings such as Video Poker. Blackjack would be hard though, the variance being too low for the current tournament system.

While some of this might happen, I'm not holding my breath - this is MG:D
 
Thank you for your post vinylweatherman. I noticed too that 2/5$ buy-in tournaments are a better bang for the buck so in principle it is possible there are tournaments with more than 100% return but they are rare.

About the play time allocated, I got disconnected once while there was 1 minute play time left. I connected again and noticed that the timer had reset to 5 minutes left and I still had all my winnings from before the disconnection. So I got this free ride once because of disconnection. I admit I tried to manually disconnect later to see if I can repeat this but it didn't work anymore :(

I wish there was some strategy involved instead of just hitting spin. The only strategy now is whether it is worth it to use the continue play options. Why is the result calculated from win box only and not total balance (win box + unused credits), it would lead to more strategic play.
 
IMO a Free tourney should be just that Free
No Chance to re buy in
that is not a Free tourney

I don't play them for that reason
it took them all of a week to
add the rebuy feature after
they sucked every 1 in


Cindy
 
SLOW SPINS FIX ??

One way to help fix slow spins and download, is to turn OFF your security firewall and also any anti virus programmes..This happened with my wifes an also my sons computers, once the anti virus was turned off the spins improved, by about 1 to 2 seconds per spin. If you have McAfee it will turn back on when you restart your PC ,so you have to turn it off each time you want to play the tournies.
 
I see they're finally starting to add new games, Avalon and Loaded. Does the name "classic re-buys" supposed to mean anything? 1000 rebuys, wow, anyone want to max that one out?

Is anyone else having trouble signing up for these "Classic ReBuys" at Royal Vegas? Every time I try to sign up for the Avalon one I get the message "You can only join this tournament when the game is fully downloaded." So I left the casino open for the last 4 hours and it's still not downloaded. I can't find any info on their site about it and I see a ton of people are already listed.
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Maybe it's just my old tired computer but I get a lot faster spins by turning sound off. Never have any problems getting to 0 unless I get freespins.

Can't see why they don't increase the time though by 50-100%, just too annoying to get freespins late and get cut off.
 
Maybe it's just my old tired computer but I get a lot faster spins by turning sound off. Never have any problems getting to 0 unless I get freespins.

Can't see why they don't increase the time though by 50-100%, just too annoying to get freespins late and get cut off.

I agree - maybe they could just stop the timer when you're in free spins? That Golden Idol bonus round in Tomb Raider eats up some time too.
 
Is anyone else having trouble signing up for these "Classic ReBuys" at Royal Vegas? Every time I try to sign up for the Avalon one I get the message "You can only join this tournament when the game is fully downloaded." So I left the casino open for the last 4 hours and it's still not downloaded. I can't find any info on their site about it and I see a ton of people are already listed.
:confused:

You should have an update this morning that'll let you in
 
So now that I won a free ticket to $20 000 weekender tournament can I play the "free ticket to 20k$" again for another ticket and can I use this ticket to play the continue option which otherwise costs 20$? If not what happens if I win a second ticket to 20k$? Can I cash out one of them for 20$?
 
So now that I won a free ticket to $20 000 weekender tournament can I play the "free ticket to 20k$" again for another ticket and can I use this ticket to play the continue option which otherwise costs 20$? If not what happens if I win a second ticket to 20k$? Can I cash out one of them for 20$?

No No No No!!!!

It is a complete and total waste to win more than ONE entry to the weekender, extras are just absorbed by the system without compensation. They are not even carried over to the following week, let alone acting as credits towards a rebuy.
There is no point in playing the feeder if any casino has offered you a free entry. Take the free entry and forget the feeders.
The ONLY possible dodge is to win the feeder and withdraw from the tournament, keeping the $20, but I have heard that this no longer works, as once entered you are committed.
 
Great posts everyone!

I see that the formats have changed for the new avalon/loaded tourneys - and Im not sure if its for the better.

You can now REBUY rather than continue - up to 1000 times in the first tourney - and NO continues are available.

I also received an invite for a $10 tourney with avalon where you can CONTINUE twice for $5 a pop, and REBUY 5 times @$10. So you could effectively spend $100 if you wanted. However, as Vinyl pointed out, the rebuys etc DONT go back into the pool so it sucks in a big way.

Tourneys are obviously a licence to print money for the casinos, and so are not a good bet for the player. The only positive is that you can win a big prize from a relatively small outlay, but you can do that on bingo too :p
 
Classic-rebuys = classic bending over

After registering and playing for 4 minutes I was booted out of the tournament and told I needed to rebuy, so much for 10 minute rounds. I refuse to rebuy, but I can see MG giving ALOT of refunds if they only let you play 5 minutes.

And I just noticed on the rebuys that your winbox score is reset to 0 and they use the highest score of all of your tournament play. I guess that thwarts the people who buy their way to first place.
 
I didn't even get a chance to run out of coins, 4 minutes and I was kicked to the rebuy screen, must be a glitch. They do need to rethink the coinage on this game, since it's 200 coins a push 10,000 probably wouldn't last the 10 minutes anyway. They give 10,000 for weekenders on tomb raider and it's only 75 a push, fools.
 
copied from email I recieved

To celebrate the release of Classic Re-buys, we are inviting you to an exclusive $2,000 Free Roll Tournament on Loaded.
$2K Free Roll Tournament on Loaded
When: Wed Nov 07 to Sun Nov 11
Prizes: A share of $2,000
Entry Fee: Free
Re-buys Amount: $2
Number of Re-buys: Unlimited

How do you enter:
1. Log into Royal Vegas using your rvr login details, click on the "Home" icon, then click on the "Tournaments" tab.
2. Click on the "register" link for the $2,000 Avalon tournament under the "Scheduled" tab.

What are Classic Re-buys?
Classic Re-buys allow you to restart a tournament, which means you can choose to replay a round to try and better your score. No matter how many times you re-buy into a tournament, only your best score will be taken forward to the leader board.


Good Luck

Cindy
 
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Looks like the online shafting is set to continue. I have just mentioned earlier how it was possible to estimate the house edge by using coins left to estimate how many continues have been made. This new format makes it impossible, and the fact there is no limit to the number of rebuys can make the house edge absolutely HUGE without players having any idea.
Already, some events look like having a house edge of around 50%, but if players can just keep on rebuying for ever, with 100% of this going back to the casinos as pure hold, then they could make far more this way that giving us an honest 95% average payout on the slots in general.
Players need to look very carefully at the tournaments, as they could find that players can buy their way to first place even more easily, and without it looking at all obvious. If you play 1000+ times, you are bound to get a couple of decent rounds, but those just playing a couple of times always stand to be beaten by players buying in again and again till they win.

If MG want to give us confidence, they MUST make available the average monthly payout to stake ratio for these tournaments. It is absolutely CLEAR that the sit & go events have a payout of 90%, and since this is such a blatant rip-off ("normal" slots are 95%), how are we supposed to trust that the ones where the figures are shrouded in secrecy are only that bad, and not even worse.
 
Jas I got the same email a day or two ago. Note the mistake in the top of the email that says loaded and the bottom says avalon. So much for proofing promotions before they're sent.
 
I don't know you facing same problems as I do with MG tournaments. I am playing them at Ladbrokes.
Problem is that almost every free tourney is canceled or postponed for some undetermined time, so you can't know when it actually start.

Not to mention that every now and then there is some update which require restart of casino.
 
Im really p*ssed off with MG and their tournaments too - one of the reasons being the cancellations etc.

The other point is that the tourneys prizes really are useless, except for maybe the weekender and some invite-onlys. The new Avalon $2 buyin top prize is $60 (can have 5 continues @$2) - which is 30xbet provided you dont continue - you're better off playing video poker or something. Even the weekender (which you need to spend $100 to win in reality) pays only 50x bet - most bonus rounds pay more than that!!

Until they add rebuys etc back into the pot, they can stick it up their collective a*ses
 
Let me add my own bitch and gripe about the tourneys.
I hate the rebuy option, if it's called a free tourney it should be just that. FREE! I was in 5th place in Jackpot Factory Win-o-rama, now guess what......I'm in 90th, because I didn't do the rebuys.
I don't understand this either, why would someone enter a 2.00 tourney only to win 6.00? That isn't a great return on your money is it?
Also, all the cancellations lately suck. You would think by now MG could get it together.
Yeah I know.....I think someone pissed in my cornflakes this morning.
 
Let me add my own bitch and gripe about the tourneys.
I hate the rebuy option, if it's called a free tourney it should be just that. FREE! I was in 5th place in Jackpot Factory Win-o-rama, now guess what......I'm in 90th, because I didn't do the rebuys.
I don't understand this either, why would someone enter a 2.00 tourney only to win 6.00? That isn't a great return on your money is it?
Also, all the cancellations lately suck. You would think by now MG could get it together.
Yeah I know.....I think someone pissed in my cornflakes this morning.

The cancellations probably reflect that players are getting wise to the fact that these are extremely poor value due to the very large take for the casino, which far exceeds the normal 5% for slots. They cancel the tournaments when the entries are low enough to make them GOOD value, with the risk of the payout even exceeding 100%. It seems they are happy to take 100% of the rebuys when many compete, but are not prepared to give some of it back to even out the edge when fewer take part in a given tournament. Exposed for the rip-off they are!!! - Bloody took long enough:mad:
 
I like tournies that last days, not minutes.

I don't mind the rebuys there, what you need is one good run giving you a nice bankroll, and then you can work your way up by adjusting bet size etc.

Unless you get real lucky it's not profitable (heck, it's called gambling), but it's fun to be playing with a large bankroll and trying to ride the waves.

It lets you get to know a particular slot real well...and I like fiddling with bet sizes. I like being able to manage amounts much larger than I ever would with real money, just clicking away at max to beat a time limit it's not near as much fun. I like being able to spend hours for little actual money with a large amount that lets me make decisions and adjust bet size, number of coins and lines and all that jazz.

Just my two bits.... :p
 
Oy Vey, again with the 3Dice shtuff:D The tourneys there are awesome and they just keep rolling them out. There are free ones every day, and after you make any deposit you can play the VIP tourneys (i've won a couple) The buy-ins have rebuys, but watch the time line as you can buy in and then not be able to rebuy in the last 24 hrs:eek2: Most entries are 1tourney credit, a buck.

A chat client runs and often a host will ask,,, what do you guys wanna do? and everyone just chimes in until all the parameters are set... it might be a 1 hr all games race for highest stake, or peak balance, or finishing balance... there are fun chat games like hunting screenshots over 1500, etc. etc.

In a way it can be more fun than a B&M!!! You've got a party host there immersed in the game, encouraging you on, the players are fun for the most part (some will go mute when you pass them up, but most are encouraging)


When the host is on you're usually paid immediately -- real money that you can cash out, play in the regular casino games, or buy credits with. When these guys stop amazing me with their excellence I'll be a jaded spoiled casino brat:D
 
The cancellations probably reflect that players are getting wise to the fact that these are extremely poor value due to the very large take for the casino, which far exceeds the normal 5% for slots. They cancel the tournaments when the entries are low enough to make them GOOD value, with the risk of the payout even exceeding 100%. It seems they are happy to take 100% of the rebuys when many compete, but are not prepared to give some of it back to even out the edge when fewer take part in a given tournament. Exposed for the rip-off they are!!! - Bloody took long enough:mad:



I'd say 1100+ players and 800+ players are more than enough to keep a tournament open. There must be a bug in the tournament programming that cancels them when they open. But as I eluded to in an earlier post, the pay tournaments never EVER cancel, even if there's only 100 people in them, always the free rolls.
 
To buck the trend, I'm loving the tournaments just as a break from day-to-day stuff. The cancellations are probably a bug that will get ironed out, but if you leave the casino open they usually start - just later than advertised. "Postponed" would be a better description.

I'd like to see some longer ones too but the casinos can set up their own, just not many doing that at the moment. Some 10-15 minute ones would be good - and the option to "pause" would be good too - in case the doorbell goes.

Me and Spear play them against each other for beer. He's 2 up at the moment but I'll be in the lead before Macau :D It adds a little extra competition to it all. You guys ought to pair up on MSN and do the same...it's fun.

I'm actually in the process of investigating getting winner feeds so I can look at starting a "league". I'll update you if I get some joy there.
 
Royal Vegas "free" Tournaments

I want to add my 2 cents into this discussion.

I got real excited about the RV free tournies when they first started. But to date, I have only won $5.00 on all the "free" games I've played. I only won ONCE; and, I had to rebuy in at $2.00 to get it. Now I just find them very boring.

Whenever I play I generally end up WAY down at the bottom of the list when it's over. It's no fun finishing 656, or 389, all the time. The reels often get stuck spinning and it can be a minute or more between spins whenever this happens to me. If I only get to spin 5 or 6 times in the 5 minutes allowed to play, I feel cheated! What a waste of time!

When I asked the casino why there's so much lag time between spins occasionally, they replied saying that I had become disconnected from the casino during my play time and that is what causes the long spins.

This answer surprised me because I didn't notice getting disconnected from the casino. The counter kept on counting down and I was able to go back to the lobby after the play was over without having to sign back in. I didn't feel their answer was legitimate. A previous post on this thread gives a better explanation of this phenomena and I now feel validated. Thank you!
 
If I only get to spin 5 or 6 times in the 5 minutes allowed to play, I feel cheated! What a waste of time!

When I asked the casino why there's so much lag time between spins occasionally, they replied saying that I had become disconnected from the casino during my play time and that is what causes the long spins.

Might be worth trying them at another casino. Have you checked out the
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? That may help. I'm getting 14 spins a min on Tombraider and 12/13 on Thunderstruck.
 
loving the tournies

It takes approx 4-6 seconds on T/struck and a little faster on T/Raider.. Much faster on Loaded and Avalon. The new games make the tournies much much better and some of the scores are unbelievable. First thought they were rigged with false players names winning until i actually won $100 on the 500 LOADED , i got the five blondes on the free spins which paid over 200,000 and would you guess it the very next day got the same but came second. Microgaming need to be congratulated with the way the tournies are run during the games, my wife plays on her own computer with her own account and we can actually see where each other is during the games, the scores for all players change instantly which makes for a more interesting contest even with players you dont know but are familiar with their names when they continue to compete against you. In my opinion "WELL DONE MICROGAMING'' Maybe some casinomeister members should let us know what names they play under so we can all enjoy playing against each other.
 
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As a player in the US I am thrilled to actually play anything online again. I even quailfied for the December 15th BIG ONE! I ended up 8th and had to sweat it out until it closed 24 hours later. I checked with 16 minutes to go and I was 50th. I did some quick positive thinking and sure enough...I was
50th at the end. So I am looking forward to Dec. 15th. I do have a question. Why can't you "sign up" for the schedualed free tournaments? I can only get into the open games? Every time I log in (which is about every 2 hours) I go through the list and still I get a "tournament is closed code 3" message. Any help will be appreciated. I am on vacation and would live on the computer. I'm VERY competitve so it's not about the $, on the small ones I mean. It is VERY about the $ Dec 15th!
 
Why can't you "sign up" for the schedualed free tournaments? I can only get into the open games? Every time I log in (which is about every 2 hours) I go through the list and still I get a "tournament is closed code 3" message.

"Open" refers to open for registration. Having all the scheduled tourneys open for registration as soon as they're slated wold tie up much more server than the present system. Congrats and good luck on Dec 15!
 
I think they should loosen them the hell up. Add more scatters and wilds to the reels. It's not like they have to pay out money based on the payline wins, it would still be based on the overall result.

It's frigging boring to end up with 400 to 600 coins every frigging time. I haven't even been playing them in a while because I've got some paint drying, water boiling and grass growing that has been far more appealing to watch.
 

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