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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by wayram, Nov 5, 2007.

    Nov 5, 2007
  1. wayram

    wayram Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    sales
    Location:
    Australia
    Went into the $20,000 weekender tournament on Tomb Raider and thought I was made...got the free spins then got the free spins 4 more times on the free spins ,you ripper I thought i should really get a good score, guess what..tiddley squat , got only around 2000 coins, which was shithouse for the amount of freebie spins. Love the tournies but can be a trap if not carefull, What annoys me also is if it is a free tournie why do you have to pay $2 to continue ? Also what happens to the 500 plus players when the free one is over ,where do they go, why dont they play some of the smaller $2 and $5 games, seems the same players play those games most of the time, and it annoys when you are waiting for one or two players to fill the game..I have seen Simmo on them any one else playing them ?
     
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  2. Nov 5, 2007
  3. everyday

    everyday Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    British Columbia, Canada
    You're not alone...I play them all the time but this past weekend was the first $20,000 tourney I tried. Saw free spins maybe twice and finished a few over 100th..just out of any cash prize. I've also wondered what happens to the 500 or 800 other people who disappear when the free tournies are over and have you noticed that on average about 200 never play at all. Why waste your time registering and then never show up? Casino generated players perhaps? Who knows lol. Also the average for the $200 tournies is about 60, usually the same people.
     
  4. Nov 5, 2007
  5. brianzz

    brianzz Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Work
    Location:
    TN
    Lots more people will play the free tourneys and if they win they'll go blow the winnings on slots, why pay to play in a tourney when you can wait 2 hours and get a free one. Juding from the tournaments I've played, you do alot better playing your money on a regular game.
     
  6. Nov 5, 2007
  7. Jufo

    Jufo Three-toed sloth

    Occupation:
    Teacher
    Location:
    Finland
    I have tried those tournaments as well. My best results are being top 6 and top 9 on a 1000 person freeroll. What disturbed me the most was that the prizes for these positions didn't even cover the cost of continue playing options. So you pay for the option to continue play and hit the top 10 out of 1000 players and you still lose money... not very nice...

    By the way is there any way to speed up the spins? I am always left with 400-700 coins after 5 minutes is up but I have noticed that there are players who manage to play all their coins in five minutes.
     
  8. Nov 5, 2007
  9. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

    Occupation:
    Tradesman
    Location:
    USA
    Simmo! knows.... he posted it, I didn't get around to it so I don't remember how:confused:
     
  10. Nov 5, 2007
  11. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Not Now, Microgaming placed a "fix" at the server end to ensure slow spinning within the range of 5 to 6 seconds - this "fix" kicks in when there are two or three consecutive spins that fall within a present range, and the server holds onto the result for 5 seconds each spin, the player sees this as the "waiting server" indicator cycles and the reels just spin. Also to be noted that during this phase the coins left will NOT decrease when you press "spin", but when the server returns the result.
    Spin speed is not a problem at the weekender, as the continues offer 10 minutes also, but only 5000 coins, so coins left over from the first round can normally be used up unless you hit loads of bonus rounds.
    With a fast top notch PC, and a separate graphics card, it is possible to speed up the spins a little. Another trick for an old PC is to drop both the screen resolution and colour resolution.

    Casinos register large numbers of players for the weekender, and while some require users to claim first, others just do it & tell you. This is why some 200 players seem to take the trouble of registering only then to not play. There is also a "dodge", whereby players can withdraw from the tournament the casino has paid for, pocketing the $20. Casinos are aware of this, and will respond accordingly under "bonus abuse" rules, usually not giving said players any more free entries.

    As for no-one really playing the other tournaments, the answer is simple, the house edge is considerably greater than the 5% enjoyed by the casino in the lobby slot games. I some cases, the tournaments can pay back only around 50% of the money made from players from buyins and continues. The problem is that increased participation does not boost the prize pools, after declaring the prizes, casinos keep 100% of any revenue from an unexpected increase in interest.
    Another reason is simply that, for the low prizes, the tournaments are boring because game play is just so damn SLOW. Rather than remedy this, MG have done the opposite in ensuring EVERYONE has to endure the boredom of a bonus round taking 1 minute to complete and pay nothing. Game play is even SLOWER during the free spins as every win is displayed, and unlike normal play, the player can't skip this by pressing "spin" if they just want to move on.
    There is also a misconception with the $500 and $200 prize events. You get hundreds registering for the "free" ones, and only around 50 for the $2 or $5 buy-in one. This is plain silly, with 5 continues, it still costs 5x $2 or $5 to play out a free entry one where you are against hundreds, but only one extra $2 or $5 to compete against a much reduced field.

    Unlike the slots games, MG DO NOT PUBLISH the average monthly payouts on the tournaments (prizes paid out as a percentage of total revenue from buy-ins and continues). For the sit & go, the calculation is easy! 90% is of the buy-ins are paid out as prizes, and 10% is kept by the participating casinos. This compares unfavourably with spending the money just playing the slots in the lobby, where 95% of all wagers placed are returned as prizes.
    Where multiple continues are available, the house edge can increase to "embarrassing" levels, which might be why no figures are published.
    With many tournaments, it is possible to estimate how many continues were bought by looking at the number of coins left when play has ended, the higher the figure, the more continues the player has bought.

    Microgaming could easily make these tournaments more attractive, and this will make them more popular, the first hurdle is to publish figures and PROVE that the house edge is fair in the long term, and that tournaments with terrible 50% payout rates are balanced by some that pay out more than 100% to participating players.
    Secondly, speed up game play to a level that allows the juices of excitement to flow, rather than having us fall asleep through naked spin boredom.
    Thirdly, add some more games, including some non-slot offerings such as Video Poker. Blackjack would be hard though, the variance being too low for the current tournament system.

    While some of this might happen, I'm not holding my breath - this is MG:D
     
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  12. Nov 5, 2007
  13. Jufo

    Jufo Three-toed sloth

    Occupation:
    Teacher
    Location:
    Finland
    Thank you for your post vinylweatherman. I noticed too that 2/5$ buy-in tournaments are a better bang for the buck so in principle it is possible there are tournaments with more than 100% return but they are rare.

    About the play time allocated, I got disconnected once while there was 1 minute play time left. I connected again and noticed that the timer had reset to 5 minutes left and I still had all my winnings from before the disconnection. So I got this free ride once because of disconnection. I admit I tried to manually disconnect later to see if I can repeat this but it didn't work anymore :(

    I wish there was some strategy involved instead of just hitting spin. The only strategy now is whether it is worth it to use the continue play options. Why is the result calculated from win box only and not total balance (win box + unused credits), it would lead to more strategic play.
     
  14. Nov 6, 2007
  15. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    ;)
     
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  16. Nov 6, 2007
  17. brianzz

    brianzz Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Work
    Location:
    TN
    I see they're finally starting to add new games, Avalon and Loaded. Does the name "classic re-buys" supposed to mean anything? 1000 rebuys, wow, anyone want to max that one out?
     
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  18. Nov 6, 2007
  19. jas2587

    jas2587 Ueber Meister

    Occupation:
    none
    Location:
    FL
    IMO a Free tourney should be just that Free
    No Chance to re buy in
    that is not a Free tourney

    I don't play them for that reason
    it took them all of a week to
    add the rebuy feature after
    they sucked every 1 in


    Cindy
     
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  20. Nov 6, 2007
  21. wayram

    wayram Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    sales
    Location:
    Australia
    SLOW SPINS FIX ??

    One way to help fix slow spins and download, is to turn OFF your security firewall and also any anti virus programmes..This happened with my wifes an also my sons computers, once the anti virus was turned off the spins improved, by about 1 to 2 seconds per spin. If you have McAfee it will turn back on when you restart your PC ,so you have to turn it off each time you want to play the tournies.
     
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  22. Nov 6, 2007
  23. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    Freelance Designer
    Location:
    Edmonton Canada
    Is anyone else having trouble signing up for these "Classic ReBuys" at Royal Vegas? Every time I try to sign up for the Avalon one I get the message "You can only join this tournament when the game is fully downloaded." So I left the casino open for the last 4 hours and it's still not downloaded. I can't find any info on their site about it and I see a ton of people are already listed.
    :confused:
     
  24. Nov 6, 2007
  25. zap987

    zap987 Meister Member PABnononaccred2

    Occupation:
    .
    Location:
    Sweden
    Maybe it's just my old tired computer but I get a lot faster spins by turning sound off. Never have any problems getting to 0 unless I get freespins.

    Can't see why they don't increase the time though by 50-100%, just too annoying to get freespins late and get cut off.
     
  26. Nov 6, 2007
  27. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    Freelance Designer
    Location:
    Edmonton Canada
    I agree - maybe they could just stop the timer when you're in free spins? That Golden Idol bonus round in Tomb Raider eats up some time too.
     
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  28. Nov 6, 2007
  29. brianzz

    brianzz Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Work
    Location:
    TN
    You should have an update this morning that'll let you in
     
  30. Nov 6, 2007
  31. Jufo

    Jufo Three-toed sloth

    Occupation:
    Teacher
    Location:
    Finland
    So now that I won a free ticket to $20 000 weekender tournament can I play the "free ticket to 20k$" again for another ticket and can I use this ticket to play the continue option which otherwise costs 20$? If not what happens if I win a second ticket to 20k$? Can I cash out one of them for 20$?
     
  32. Nov 6, 2007
  33. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    No No No No!!!!

    It is a complete and total waste to win more than ONE entry to the weekender, extras are just absorbed by the system without compensation. They are not even carried over to the following week, let alone acting as credits towards a rebuy.
    There is no point in playing the feeder if any casino has offered you a free entry. Take the free entry and forget the feeders.
    The ONLY possible dodge is to win the feeder and withdraw from the tournament, keeping the $20, but I have heard that this no longer works, as once entered you are committed.
     
  34. Nov 7, 2007
  35. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
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    Great posts everyone!

    I see that the formats have changed for the new avalon/loaded tourneys - and Im not sure if its for the better.

    You can now REBUY rather than continue - up to 1000 times in the first tourney - and NO continues are available.

    I also received an invite for a $10 tourney with avalon where you can CONTINUE twice for $5 a pop, and REBUY 5 times @$10. So you could effectively spend $100 if you wanted. However, as Vinyl pointed out, the rebuys etc DONT go back into the pool so it sucks in a big way.

    Tourneys are obviously a licence to print money for the casinos, and so are not a good bet for the player. The only positive is that you can win a big prize from a relatively small outlay, but you can do that on bingo too :p
     
  36. Nov 7, 2007
  37. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    Freelance Designer
    Location:
    Edmonton Canada
    Thanks, you're right!
     
  38. Nov 7, 2007
  39. brianzz

    brianzz Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Work
    Location:
    TN
    Woop, see next post
     
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2007

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